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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:29:22 PM EDT
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OMG! You may have just created joinder!  |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:29:36 PM EDT
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I'm in for $100 if you lawyer up and go for it. Me too. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:30:17 PM EDT
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I'm in a single party state, I record all calls because you never know when an interesting one will happen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ATF agent stated they denied first, then accidentally ran it a second time and approved it. I recorded the call. I haven't had time to check my audio (and won't until after work) but hopefully it came out well. IBDOJIIMFW ("In Before DOJ Is Indicting Me For Wiretapping") 
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:30:23 PM EDT
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This did not go the way I thought it would...awesome...
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:30:44 PM EDT
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Oh so back in.
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:30:53 PM EDT
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I'm in for $100 if you lawyer up and go for it. Me too. Me three. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:31:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This did not go the way I thought it would...awesome... |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:32:12 PM EDT
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Given the significance of this, if they actually sent you a stamp to build an MG I wouldn't be surprised if BATFE is sending agents to your local post office and/or to pull it out of your mailbox. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did you eform or paper form it? I was hoping something would show up soon after two threads on Form 1's coming in from April. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/430548_I_just_got_a_paper_form_1_back_in_less_than_4_months__April_pending_date_.html http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/431281_Got_a_Surprise_in_the_Mail_Yesterday.html Given the significance of this, if they actually sent you a stamp to build an MG I wouldn't be surprised if BATFE is sending agents to your local post office and/or to pull it out of your mailbox. I wouldn't put it past them to try some kind of shenanigans to get them back. Which is why he needs to safeguard the originals if he ever gets them. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:35:52 PM EDT
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Did nolo check in yet?
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:36:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did nolo check in yet? |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:36:52 PM EDT
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I see the cat is out of the bag on this one...Not surpised ATF did that. I was shocked when I heard a buddy had an approval. Curious to see how this ends.
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:37:02 PM EDT
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Your major mistake was that you answered and talked to them on the phone.
You basically blew most of your legal rights as you are now on record as being officially advised of a mistake made by them. All before you actually had the stamp in your actual hands. I can see a major difference between stamp in hand and then being advised AND no stamp in hand and being advised of the error. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:37:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't put it past them to try some kind of shenanigans to get them back. Which is why he needs to safeguard the originals if he ever gets them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Did you eform or paper form it? I was hoping something would show up soon after two threads on Form 1's coming in from April. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/430548_I_just_got_a_paper_form_1_back_in_less_than_4_months__April_pending_date_.html http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/431281_Got_a_Surprise_in_the_Mail_Yesterday.html Given the significance of this, if they actually sent you a stamp to build an MG I wouldn't be surprised if BATFE is sending agents to your local post office and/or to pull it out of your mailbox. I wouldn't put it past them to try some kind of shenanigans to get them back. Which is why he needs to safeguard the originals if he ever gets them. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:37:24 PM EDT
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"The impression I got from the agent was they would still consider it a violation to manufacture a MG even though I have a stamp."
You need to contact a firearms lawyer ASAP, after we can set up an account to take donations. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:37:52 PM EDT
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Tagscribe for the ATF back peddlin'.
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:37:53 PM EDT
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OP - A title update is probably in order.... things just got interesting in a way that those who haven't been tracking this may not immediately appreciate based on the title. On it
I hope this gets epic 
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:38:00 PM EDT
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:38:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Me three. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm in for $100 if you lawyer up and go for it. Me too. Me three. I want an MP5SD in the worst fucking way. THE WORST. FUCKING. WAY.
If this opens up the loophole for me to get one - I'll consider it a cost of doing business. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:39:47 PM EDT
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Won't work that way. Any person listed on the trust is part of the trust. The legal nightmare the ATF has jumped into with this is mind blowing. The more I think about it and the more I realize that ATF hasn't looked at some very important court cases and Federal law.... well folks, they done fucked up in a major way. Will the ban be nullified? I'd say there is a 20-30% chance. I'm not going to go into detail until I have a chance to talk to a few people but I think this also is going to do severe damage on a few other fronts in the firearms field that is going to make ATF cringe bad. The libtards are going to be screaming bloody murder over this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sure, they'll approve the transfer to the trust, then charge the trustee with possessing an unregistered machinegun when he picks it up. Because a person has to pick up the machinegun, not the piece of paper that is the trust. Won't work that way. Any person listed on the trust is part of the trust. The legal nightmare the ATF has jumped into with this is mind blowing. The more I think about it and the more I realize that ATF hasn't looked at some very important court cases and Federal law.... well folks, they done fucked up in a major way. Will the ban be nullified? I'd say there is a 20-30% chance. I'm not going to go into detail until I have a chance to talk to a few people but I think this also is going to do severe damage on a few other fronts in the firearms field that is going to make ATF cringe bad. The libtards are going to be screaming bloody murder over this. You've been alluding to stuff like this for years. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:39:58 PM EDT
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So glad I found this thread today and not back in May. I got to skip the wait!!!
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:40:23 PM EDT
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On it
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OP - A title update is probably in order.... things just got interesting in a way that those who haven't been tracking this may not immediately appreciate based on the title. On it
I hope this gets epic It's the first time we've seen a crack in the armor of Hughes. That is epic. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:40:54 PM EDT
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Wow. I wish I could tag this.
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:41:00 PM EDT
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The impression I got from the agent was they would still consider it a violation to manufacture a MG even though I have a stamp. Curiouser and curiouser. He didn't use definite language on that point? Now I REALLY want to see what they say in response to your cover letter. Or if they just ignored it and sent a flat denial with no responsive reason for the denial, a followup letter pointedly asking for an opinion. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:43:27 PM EDT
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It's the first time we've seen a crack in the armor of Hughes. That is epic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP - A title update is probably in order.... things just got interesting in a way that those who haven't been tracking this may not immediately appreciate based on the title. On it
I hope this gets epic It's the first time we've seen a crack in the armor of Hughes. That is epic. Good God almighty... if this gets the '86 ban thrown out (unlikely, I know) oh... there just aren't words to fully encapsulate the unbridled joy that will bring. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:45:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good God almighty... if this gets the '86 ban thrown out (unlikely, I know) oh... there just aren't words to fully encapsulate the unbridled joy that will bring. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's the first time we've seen a crack in the armor of Hughes. That is epic. Good God almighty... if this gets the '86 ban thrown out (unlikely, I know) oh... there just aren't words to fully encapsulate the unbridled joy that will bring. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:45:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone have SAF's contact information? I'm not sure how keen they would be on a machinegun case given some of their Supreme Court arguments, but it's worth a shot. Unfortunately I don't have enough money to hire a lawyer myself. I'm not even sure if their is much a lawyer can do. As a fellow Marine artilleryman, and a gun lover extraordinaire, I am in for $2000 dollars towards your legal fees if Alan Gura or someone else takes your case to bat against the ATF and it results in us being able to get new Form 1s for MGs approved. Counting those above me, this could put you at $2400 so far. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:45:56 PM EDT
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Given the significance of this, if they actually sent you a stamp to build an MG I wouldn't be surprised if BATFE is sending agents to your local post office and/or to pull it out of your mailbox. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did you eform or paper form it? I was hoping something would show up soon after two threads on Form 1's coming in from April. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/430548_I_just_got_a_paper_form_1_back_in_less_than_4_months__April_pending_date_.html http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/431281_Got_a_Surprise_in_the_Mail_Yesterday.html Given the significance of this, if they actually sent you a stamp to build an MG I wouldn't be surprised if BATFE is sending agents to your local post office and/or to pull it out of your mailbox. I laughed imagining him and some ATF guy elbowing and shoving each other all the way to the mailbox. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:46:38 PM EDT
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Good God almighty... if this gets the '86 ban thrown out (unlikely, I know) oh... there just aren't words to fully encapsulate the unbridled joy that will bring. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP - A title update is probably in order.... things just got interesting in a way that those who haven't been tracking this may not immediately appreciate based on the title. On it
I hope this gets epic It's the first time we've seen a crack in the armor of Hughes. That is epic. Good God almighty... if this gets the '86 ban thrown out (unlikely, I know) oh... there just aren't words to fully encapsulate the unbridled joy that will bring. If it does get thrown out, I'll buy the OP as many beers has he wants. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:46:44 PM EDT
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I'm in a single party state, I record all calls because you never know when an interesting one will happen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ATF agent stated they denied first, then accidentally ran it a second time and approved it. I recorded the call. I haven't had time to check my audio (and won't until after work) but hopefully it came out well. IBDOJIIMFW ("In Before DOJ Is Indicting Me For Wiretapping")
Damn right.
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:47:07 PM EDT
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IN again!!!
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:47:56 PM EDT
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FBATFE, build MG. Then if they try to recover the stamp, you have an MG to defend it with!
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:47:59 PM EDT
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Tag for later
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:48:28 PM EDT
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So... should I go ahead and form a trust in anticipation of a small window of open registry?
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:49:05 PM EDT
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Very interesting...
ETA: I'm in for a donation when all the ducks are in a row. 
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:49:56 PM EDT
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Tag.
Now you have me interested! |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:50:11 PM EDT
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Interesting
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:52:44 PM EDT
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If it does get thrown out, I'll buy the OP as many beers has he wants. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP - A title update is probably in order.... things just got interesting in a way that those who haven't been tracking this may not immediately appreciate based on the title. On it
I hope this gets epic It's the first time we've seen a crack in the armor of Hughes. That is epic. Good God almighty... if this gets the '86 ban thrown out (unlikely, I know) oh... there just aren't words to fully encapsulate the unbridled joy that will bring. If it does get thrown out, I'll buy the OP as many beers has he wants. A keg Guinness, overnighted from Ireland, please 
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:53:59 PM EDT
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I was expecting a denial. This has made it a little more interesting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This did not go the way I thought it would...awesome... Understatement, given the federal agency you're dealing with here. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:54:14 PM EDT
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Good God almighty... if this gets the '86 ban thrown out (unlikely, I know) oh... there just aren't words to fully encapsulate the unbridled joy that will bring. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP - A title update is probably in order.... things just got interesting in a way that those who haven't been tracking this may not immediately appreciate based on the title. On it
I hope this gets epic It's the first time we've seen a crack in the armor of Hughes. That is epic. Good God almighty... if this gets the '86 ban thrown out (unlikely, I know) oh... there just aren't words to fully encapsulate the unbridled joy that will bring. I haven't felt this excited in years. We may not have freedom yet, but you can see it from here. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:54:21 PM EDT
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I laughed imagining him and some ATF guy elbowing and shoving each other all the way to the mailbox. I hope your mailbox is on YOUR property and not in the easement. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:54:32 PM EDT
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In for moral support and $200 towards legal fees.
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:54:38 PM EDT
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Well this thread just more interesting. Hope the sender of the form 1 has his ducks in a row with a lawyer.
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:56:01 PM EDT
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There are several people out there with approved eF1s for an MG via a trust. They all got calls today revoking the approved status and emails changing their "approved" form status to "disapproved."
I was told the number of eF1 Trust MG applications was "several hundred." |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:56:07 PM EDT
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Tagscribed
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:56:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. I wish I could tag this. or you could bookmark in your browser for free |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:56:47 PM EDT
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There are several people out there with approved eF1s for an MG via a trust. They all got calls today revoking the approved status. Is there a section in US code allowing for the revocation of a tax stamp? |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:56:48 PM EDT
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Wow. I wish I could tag this. You have 2 options, drop a few bucks and buy a membership, or send jaq $100 for his legal fund and I'll buy your membership |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:57:34 PM EDT
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TAG
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:58:12 PM EDT
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I wonder if I could get a quick loan for a minigun. If this works, you won't need one. 
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:58:31 PM EDT
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Is there a section in US code allowing for the revocation of a tax stamp? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are several people out there with approved eF1s for an MG via a trust. They all got calls today revoking the approved status. Is there a section in US code allowing for the revocation of a tax stamp? I do not know. Also note I edited my post. |
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