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Posted: 11/19/2010 5:46:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mcornell:
I would not try to use aluminum cases. Aluminum Oxide (a/k/a aluminum rust) forms on the outside of aluminum cases, cans, etc... when aluminum is in contact with air. Aluminum Oxide is an extremely hard abrasive. I would avoid shooting it down barrels. Good point. I should have thought of that. I am quite aware of the use of aluminum oxide as an abrasive. Thanks. David |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 12/23/2010 4:37:40 PM EDT
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This is great.
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Posted: 12/23/2010 10:11:31 PM EDT
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I would like to read all 7 pages but I am lazy, and do not want to read Hey thats cool 100+ time
 .Why do you flip the lead bullet upside down in the case? Is the 40 to 45 still $150? Can I use my Dillon 650 press? Got a web site? thanks |
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Posted: 12/24/2010 12:30:35 AM EDT
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Maybe we're too lazy to answer questions already addressed in the thread.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 12/24/2010 10:36:30 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chas8008:
I would like to read all 7 pages but I am lazy, and do not want to read Hey thats cool 100+ time .
Why do you flip the lead bullet upside down in the case? I don't, others may. Is the 40 to 45 still $150? No they are $350. The .40 to .45 is a 2 step operation and requires 2 dies. The 9mm to .40 is a one step and is cheaper because it uses one die. Can I use my Dillon 650 press? There is a guy on castboolits that uses his 650 with good results Got a web site? Castboolits forum Look for user BTSniper. thanks BTSniper is offering a universal notch die now. I got mine in the mail last night so I thought I'd post a little teaser pic of the results. These are .45 from .40 brass. 
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Posted: 12/24/2010 11:11:38 AM EDT
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Boy those look great!
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LA, USA
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Posted: 12/24/2010 11:28:29 AM EDT
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Jailer
I just saw your post over at CastBoolits. The picture of your new bullets looks great. Congratulations. Post pictures of expanded bullets if you get a chance. jonblack |
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Posted: 12/24/2010 12:06:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jailer: Originally Posted By Chas8008: I would like to read all 7 pages but I am lazy, and do not want to read Hey thats cool 100+ time .Why do you flip the lead bullet upside down in the case? I don't, others may. Is the 40 to 45 still $150? No they are $350. The .40 to .45 is a 2 step operation and requires 2 dies. The 9mm to .40 is a one step and is cheaper because it uses one die. Can I use my Dillon 650 press? There is a guy on castboolits that uses his 650 with good results Got a web site? Castboolits forum Look for user BTSniper. thanks BTSniper is offering a universal notch die now. I got mine in the mail last night so I thought I'd post a little teaser pic of the results. These are .45 from .40 brass. http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b180/Jailer/posting%20pics/bullets.jpg Wow, Jailer those super sexy,  $350 is a lot of coin. Thanks for the detailed info!!!! |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 12/24/2010 12:38:36 PM EDT
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$350 is a lot of money. It's one of those tools you can play with for a while and if it doesn't suit your needs you can sell it and get most, if not all, of your money back. There have been a shortage of the swage dies since they started getting popular over at CastBoolits.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 12/24/2010 12:51:12 PM EDT
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Another thing to consider is that your $350 will get you a lifetime of use from your dies. I have access to all the free brass I could ever need and I have been lucky enough to score free wheel weights and range scrap. Amortize the cost of that $350 over a lifetime of free bullets and it really isn't that much to spend.
Besides it fun and gives me something to do over the winter. |
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Posted: 12/24/2010 3:30:56 PM EDT
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Tag
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MI, USA
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Posted: 12/24/2010 9:50:11 PM EDT
[#12]
Originally Posted By jonblack:
Jailer I just saw your post over at CastBoolits. The picture of your new bullets looks great. Congratulations. Post pictures of expanded bullets if you get a chance. jonblack Here's another pic showing the progress from start to finish. From left to right is fired .40 brass, annealed and trimmed .40 brass with core inserted, 145 grain core, seated core, notched seated core, point formed, sized bullet and last is the finished product after tumbling to polish them up. I run them through a Lee .451 sizing die since I ordered my dies from Brian to drop at .452 for my 454 and 450 bushmaster. You can see the faint line about mid way up where they are sized by the Lee die on the second one from the right. Once I run them through the sizing die I can use them in my 45's. Don't pay any attention to the green you see on the bullets. My daughter was standing next to me when I took the picture and she was wearing a neon green soccer shirt and the reflection showed up in the pictures. 
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LA, USA
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Posted: 12/25/2010 2:42:28 PM EDT
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It's pretty amazing how well that notching die works. Brian (BT Sniper) really makes some cool stuff and I understand his shop is fairly basic.
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Posted: 12/25/2010 3:14:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jailer:
Here's another pic showing the progress from start to finish. From left to right is fired .40 brass, annealed and trimmed .40 brass with core inserted, 145 grain core, seated core, notched seated core, point formed, sized bullet and last is the finished product after tumbling to polish them up. I run them through a Lee .451 sizing die since I ordered my dies from Brian to drop at .452 for my 454 and 450 bushmaster. You can see the faint line about mid way up where they are sized by the Lee die on the second one from the right. Once I run them through the sizing die I can use them in my 45's. Don't pay any attention to the green you see on the bullets. My daughter was standing next to me when I took the picture and she was wearing a neon green soccer shirt and the reflection showed up in the pictures. http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b180/Jailer/posting%20pics/bulletsprogress.jpg Jailer, Those look great! Just a few questions. What annealing method do you use? What is your final trim to length? What is the weight of the final products? And finally, how long does it take you to run through the entire process for a batch of finished bullets (or boolits)? Thanks David |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 12/25/2010 5:26:33 PM EDT
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What is this sorcery?
That's pretty cool, I wonder if you could use .32 ACP brass or something similar to make .357 JHPs. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 12/25/2010 5:52:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dsbock:
Jailer, Those look great! Just a few questions. What annealing method do you use? What is your final trim to length? What is the weight of the final products? And finally, how long does it take you to run through the entire process for a batch of finished bullets (or boolits)? Thanks David I anneal them in an old gas grill. I used 2 small brownie pans with bolts for legs to get them down close to the burner and let em soak in the heat for about an hour. It obvious;y works or the base wouldn't be expanding like it does. Final trim length is .688. With a 145 grain core it final weight ends up being around 210-212 grains. I weigh all my brass and sort my cores by weight as well. For the most part Remington brass is the lightest, Federal in the middle and Winchester brass is the heaviest. I say for the most part because there are a bit of variance in weight even with brass from the same manufacturer so that's why they all get weighed. I match cores with the brass to get close to the target weight. This is the most time consuming part and ends up taking a while. Once they are all matched together it's just a matter of seating the cores, notching them and then running them through the point form die. With bullets for 45 ACP I do one more step and run them through a Lee .451 sizing die since I ordered these dies to drop a .452 bullet. Without running them through the sizing die they drop right at .452 just like I wanted. The pics below is how I anneal them. I can do a few hundred at a time this way. Kinda ghetto but it works. 
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MI, USA
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Posted: 12/25/2010 6:51:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By StraightSix:
What is this sorcery?
That's pretty cool, I wonder if you could use .32 ACP brass or something similar to make .357 JHPs. Not sure about the 32 but BTSniper just posted over on castboolits on his progress with the 9mm to .357. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=98181 |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 12/30/2010 1:53:20 PM EDT
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Jailer has got some great looking bullets there. Can't wait to see his range results. Realy is a lot of fun seeing what you guys are capible of with tools I have made.
I got more time on my hands now and should have a lot more of these type of projects to post pics and info about. Even a web sight soon I hope. Working on 357s from 9mm brass. A bit of force needed to size the 9mmm down that much. I know the 223 is easier but trying to use the more plentiful 9mm and 40 S&W brass. Yah "simple shop" is a bit of an understatment :) Just a guy in a garage. I do have acess to a pretty good machine shop though that helps keep the quailty top notch. I think a future project will be a .475 bullet from 45 ACP. Good shooting guys. BT |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 1/3/2011 11:06:47 PM EDT
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What brass do you use to make 9mm from?
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Posted: 1/4/2011 3:51:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FAB-10_Guy: What brass do you use to make 9mm from? I think it was 380 |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 1:49:30 PM EDT
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so cool
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Posted: 3/27/2011 10:26:57 PM EDT
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cool
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CO, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2011 12:04:06 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jailer:
Originally Posted By uzisandfloozies:
does anyone worry about the brass bullets causing excess wear on the barrel rifling? pure copper has a rockwell B hardness of 40-50 cartridge brass has a B scale hardness of 77 just wondering... Why, because it has more Zinc content? Seems like Remington would have been sued long ago for "excess wear on the barrel rifling" if this was the case. You quoted "pure copper" as having a lower hardness level. You do realize that the guilding metal jackets (copper jackets) are a copper zinc alloy (technically brass) and not pure copper right? Cartridge brass just has a higher Zinc content. I'm sure the properties are a bit different but not enough to warrant concern. Besides, swaging bullets from spent brass may be new to some (myself included) but it's been around for a long time. If it were an issue that warranted concern I'm sure it would have been raised long ago. Not trying to be a dick, just sayin. I didn't know that the copper bullets we buy have zinc in them but in any case, there has to be more zinc in these extremely cool homemade bullets so I too would like to hear more about barrel wear. As for 9mm brass . . . I have an insane amount. I think it multiplies by itself! I would love to get into this!! |
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Posted: 3/29/2011 3:54:51 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BT_Sniper:
Jailer has got some great looking bullets there. Can't wait to see his range results. Realy is a lot of fun seeing what you guys are capible of with tools I have made. I got more time on my hands now and should have a lot more of these type of projects to post pics and info about. Even a web sight soon I hope. Working on 357s from 9mm brass. A bit of force needed to size the 9mmm down that much. I know the 223 is easier but trying to use the more plentiful 9mm and 40 S&W brass. Yah "simple shop" is a bit of an understatment :) Just a guy in a garage. I do have acess to a pretty good machine shop though that helps keep the quailty top notch. I think a future project will be a .475 bullet from 45 ACP. Good shooting guys. BT How about .458 from .45 Auto? I know some .458 Socom shooters who would be interested. |
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Posted: 3/29/2011 8:45:35 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Willz: Originally Posted By BT_Sniper: Jailer has got some great looking bullets there. Can't wait to see his range results. Realy is a lot of fun seeing what you guys are capible of with tools I have made. I got more time on my hands now and should have a lot more of these type of projects to post pics and info about. Even a web sight soon I hope. Working on 357s from 9mm brass. A bit of force needed to size the 9mmm down that much. I know the 223 is easier but trying to use the more plentiful 9mm and 40 S&W brass. Yah "simple shop" is a bit of an understatment :) Just a guy in a garage. I do have acess to a pretty good machine shop though that helps keep the quailty top notch. I think a future project will be a .475 bullet from 45 ACP. Good shooting guys. BT How about .458 from .45 Auto? I know some .458 Socom shooters who would be interested. Since .452 cal bullets can be made from trimmed .40 S&W brass (see above), I suspect that either full length .40 S&W or 10mm brass would be a good choice to make .458 rifle bullets. The base diameter of the .45 auto is .476 inches, so it would need to be swaged down a fair bit. I think if 40 S&W brass can be bumped up to .452, it could be bumped up to .458. The longer case of either untrimmed 40 S&W or 10mm brass would allow you create the heavier weight bullets you would need to for a .458 Socom. |
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Posted: 3/29/2011 10:55:32 AM EDT
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I would interested in .458. A lot of other Socom shooters would be as well.
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Posted: 3/29/2011 10:23:07 PM EDT
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This thread delivers, thank's for posting your results guys.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2011 12:13:29 AM EDT
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Figured I'd add results from shooting. 5 shots at 15 yards. Not match accuracy but I'm not that great of a shot either.
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Posted: 3/30/2011 7:51:31 AM EDT
[#29]
Dang it!
I'd be interested in getting a .40-to-.45 if it wasn't so darn expensive. These .45's just never get cheaper to shoot Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2011 7:05:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NoHarmNoFAL:
Can you imagine the chaos these would cause if used in a crime? CSI would go into a full tailspin with these bullets.  CA will mandate ser# ID on bullets and brass cases. Oh......they already tried that. 
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Posted: 4/27/2011 9:45:41 PM EDT
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BT_Sniper
I saw that you are making .308 projectiles from 5.7x28. Have you experimented with 7.62x25? There is a LOT of berdan primed stuff that can't be reloaded. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/28/2011 2:26:42 PM EDT
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now if we could only learn to make our own primers and smokeless powder....
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2011 6:27:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MoBrownCow:
now if we could only learn to make our own primers and smokeless powder.... Primers in a pinch. Haven't tried it yet but soon will. Reloading spent primers |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2011 8:38:37 PM EDT
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I'm going to have to try this! Sounds promising.
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Posted: 4/28/2011 10:32:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jailer: That could be useful info in a long-term SHTF scenario.
Originally Posted By MoBrownCow:
Primers in a pinch. Haven't tried it yet but soon will.
now if we could only learn to make our own primers and smokeless powder.... Reloading spent primers |
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Posted: 4/29/2011 1:15:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MoBrownCow]
[#36]
Originally Posted By Jailer:
Originally Posted By MoBrownCow:
now if we could only learn to make our own primers and smokeless powder.... Primers in a pinch. Haven't tried it yet but soon will. Reloading spent primers That is absolutely bad ass....thanks for sharing.... Now who has a fix for smokeless powder?....come on somebody has to know a source.... Edited to add: My boys are gonna wonder why Im pilfering all their cap gun ammo now....
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OR, USA
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Posted: 6/9/2011 2:26:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dryflash3]
[#37]
Post edited. You cannot buy or sell in threads. Please read the COC. dryflash3
This is a great thread, don't get it locked. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 6/9/2011 3:41:18 PM EDT
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Thx for pic!
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OR, USA
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Posted: 6/12/2011 12:09:54 AM EDT
[#39]
Originally Posted By BT_Sniper:
Post edited. You cannot buy or sell in threads. Please read the COC. dryflash3 This is a great thread, don't get it locked. Sorry. I'll look over the COC again. Thanks BT |
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Posted: 6/12/2011 8:03:40 PM EDT
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That is the coolest thing I have seen in a long time.
Thank You.
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Posted: 6/18/2011 12:01:06 PM EDT
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OK.. how do I go about getting a set of these dies? Somebody PM me the poop on them please.
I pulled my reloading gear out of storage yesterday and I'm ready to buy 
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Posted: 6/18/2011 10:58:03 PM EDT
[#42]
Originally Posted By BT_Sniper:
Originally Posted By BT_Sniper:
Post edited. You cannot buy or sell in threads. Please read the COC. dryflash3 This is a great thread, don't get it locked. Sorry. I'll look over the COC again. Thanks BT Thanks 
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Posted: 6/19/2011 12:29:10 AM EDT
[#43]
Originally Posted By Objekt:
Neat. I knew some people made bullets for .223 Rem out of .22 LR cases + lead wire by a similar process, but hadn't seen it done for anything larger. What about the fact that a 9mm case is significantly smaller than .400" diameter, both at the rim and farther up the case? The diagram in my Lee reloading manual shows a case diameter of 0.391" at the web, just forward of the extractor groove. Of course, those are dimensions for new, unfired 9mm cases. Does 9mm brass expand enough when fired to make up the difference? I know my 10mm brass expands near the web, going from 0.420-0.421" on new brass to near 0.429" after the first firing. Sizing gets it back down to about 0.425". I don't reload 9mm, so I don't know the numbers for it. There was a member that had a how to thread on the .223, very interesting. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 6/19/2011 9:35:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By txharleyrider:
Originally Posted By Objekt:
Neat. I knew some people made bullets for .223 Rem out of .22 LR cases + lead wire by a similar process, but hadn't seen it done for anything larger. What about the fact that a 9mm case is significantly smaller than .400" diameter, both at the rim and farther up the case? The diagram in my Lee reloading manual shows a case diameter of 0.391" at the web, just forward of the extractor groove. Of course, those are dimensions for new, unfired 9mm cases. Does 9mm brass expand enough when fired to make up the difference? I know my 10mm brass expands near the web, going from 0.420-0.421" on new brass to near 0.429" after the first firing. Sizing gets it back down to about 0.425". I don't reload 9mm, so I don't know the numbers for it. There was a member that had a how to thread on the .223, very interesting. Don't know how to, but here is a link to people who sell the dies for it. If I remember correctly, the price is somewhat ridiculous. Gabe |
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Posted: 6/19/2011 9:42:37 AM EDT
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I checked into this once, and was put off by the price of the tooling.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/19/2011 10:54:44 PM EDT
[#46]
Would be really awesome to make some JHP's in .458 (in the 450gr range) for usage in 45-70.
How hard is it to get these dies MFG'd? |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 6/28/2011 11:28:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dryflash3]
[#47]
Check out some of my latest work. Made a new set of dies Really made a great 40 cal bullet. Exact coppy of Federal Premium Personal Defense bullets only made from scrap 9mm brass of course.
Federial is second from left standing up and my copies are to teh right of it. http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu87/BTSniper/P1050558.jpg http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu87/BTSniper/P1050555.jpg BT Edited to complt with the COC. For more info, IM BT_sniper. dryflash3 |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 6/30/2011 1:03:37 PM EDT
[#48]
WOW! Those look fantastic!
For the guys crying about the cost, the BT stuff is a bargain if you compare it to the Corbin products - that is if you could actuall buy a corbin tool. Corbin (either one of them!) is backed up about two years - and snotty as hell to deal with! . |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 6/30/2011 1:17:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lem:
WOW! Those look fantastic! For the guys crying about the cost, the BT stuff is a bargain if you compare it to the Corbin products - that is if you could actuall buy a corbin tool. Corbin (either one of them!) is backed up about two years - and snotty as hell to deal with! . Does BT have a website set up? I am impressed by the possibilities here!! How does the weight of the new projectile compare to the original it copies? |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 6/30/2011 2:30:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BT_Sniper]
[#50]
Feel free to IM me here or contact me via email at [email protected]
The 9mm makes a very good 185 grain 40 cal bullet. I use a 125 grain .356 cast bullet as teh core. With 5 grains of W231 in a 40 S&W I am shooting around 950FPS with VERY GOOD results. That should be enough to make major in the compition shooting. BT |
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