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Posted: 6/1/2015 11:49:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whopete89:
Yeah i dont understand why everybody has to compare it to an ar15. It's not supposed to be an ar15 or compete with it. This gun is for people like me that have multiple ar's and want something different. Also I have the privilege of being left handed so i think for me this rifle would be awesome. Btw the wife just green lighted me getting one when I get back from Korea. Im really stoked. I don't think its for people who have multiple ARs... It can be for anyone. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2015 11:55:38 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Matthew_Q:
When shorter barrels are available, I'll SBR the one I've got. Swapping barrels literally takes < 10 seconds. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Matthew_Q:
Originally Posted By LEON_Carol:
Would buy SBR version When shorter barrels are available, I'll SBR the one I've got. Swapping barrels literally takes < 10 seconds. there is a pistol version in .22, why not 5.56 =( |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2015 6:06:52 AM EDT
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Well, to be fair, it DOES compete with the AR-15 and Tavor.
All three sling 5.56mm projectiles at bad guys using pic mounted optics, lights, lasers, and AR magazines. They compete for a finite amount of dollars for that job. Bullpup, piston, DI, good trigger, bad trigger, good ergos, bad ergos, the buyer decides which features are important above and beyond those in line above. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2015 7:33:28 AM EDT
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Ok that's not really what I meant. Let me clarify. Probably the most amount of consumers for this product will be people that already have a proven design as their go to rifle. Like me i have a couple of ar's that are my go to home defense shtf guns. I would like something that can use ar mags and the same ammo but that is different for a range toy. If i like it a lot and it proves itself reliable I'll move it up too the go to rifle but for now I have an AR15 for that. I dont think a lot of people who are looking for their first modern sporting rifle are gonna buy any of the gen 3 rifles.
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USA
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Posted: 6/2/2015 8:20:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whopete89:
Yeah i dont understand why everybody has to compare it to an ar15. It's not supposed to be an ar15 or compete with it. This gun is for people like me that have multiple ar's and want something different. Also I have the privilege of being left handed so i think for me this rifle would be awesome. Btw the wife just green lighted me getting one when I get back from Korea. Im really stoked. Check out the online auction sites. Sub-$1300 prices are becoming common. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2015 8:55:58 AM EDT
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The price that they are blowing them out the door with is the best price of any of the gen 3 rifles. I guess a lot of nutnfancys viewers just want $500 dpms ar15s and are happy with that.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2015 10:28:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whopete89:
The price that they are blowing them out the door with is the best price of any of the gen 3 rifles. I guess a lot of nutnfancys viewers just want $500 dpms ar15s and are happy with that. I did notice that nutnfancy and his followers seem to prefer the mid to lower end bargain ARs. The last AR that I bought (Colt 6940) cost me as much as I paid for my ARX (around $1700.00), though in both cases it was because I didn't wait long enough for the price to come down... I thought it wouldn't go any lower. 
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Posted: 6/2/2015 11:45:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: Che k out the online auction sites. Sub-$1300 prices are becoming common. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: Originally Posted By whopete89: Yeah i dont understand why everybody has to compare it to an ar15. It's not supposed to be an ar15 or compete with it. This gun is for people like me that have multiple ar's and want something different. Also I have the privilege of being left handed so i think for me this rifle would be awesome. Btw the wife just green lighted me getting one when I get back from Korea. Im really stoked. Che k out the online auction sites. Sub-$1300 prices are becoming common. I am not seeing that, $1500 -$1600 buy it nows with and occasional $1499. Gun show and gun shops up to $1900 yet. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 2:15:28 PM EDT
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Shot one, didn't like it. Full ambi is all it has going for me.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2015 5:19:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOldRepublic:
Shot one, didn't like it. Full ambi is all it has going for me. What did you not like about it though? Don't worry, I'm not mad at you for not liking a gun that I love. 
I could maybe see that if your support hand grip of choice is the Costa hold that this rifle might not be for you. Even if they had left the handguard a few inches longer it would still be pretty fat up front. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 11:22:36 PM EDT
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So I was at the Colosseum last week and the Italian Soldiers standing guard were sporting the ARX. They were cool enough to take a pic with my son. Can't wait to SBR my ARX.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 6/3/2015 12:08:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Slimbone:
So I was at the Colosseum last week and the Italian Soldiers standing guard were sporting the ARX. They were cool enough to take a pic with my son. Can't wait to SBR my ARX. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/Slimbone/IMG_1036_zpsetsazpl0.jpg Cool picture. 
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USA
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Posted: 6/3/2015 2:02:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ak47Dennis:
I am not seeing that, $1500 -$1600 buy it nows with and occasional $1499. Gun show and gun shops up to $1900 yet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ak47Dennis:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Originally Posted By whopete89:
Yeah i dont understand why everybody has to compare it to an ar15. It's not supposed to be an ar15 or compete with it. This gun is for people like me that have multiple ar's and want something different. Also I have the privilege of being left handed so i think for me this rifle would be awesome. Btw the wife just green lighted me getting one when I get back from Korea. Im really stoked. Che k out the online auction sites. Sub-$1300 prices are becoming common. I am not seeing that, $1500 -$1600 buy it nows with and occasional $1499. Gun show and gun shops up to $1900 yet. Could be the time of yr. Bought both of mine back around late Winter to early Spring time frame. 1st one was just $1350; 2nd went for $1235. Summer season may have something to do with it. I dealt with Jade Shope & Tuels for the Shooter on GB. Keep checking the site. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 2:07:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: Could be the time of yr. Bought both of mine back around late Winter to early Spring time frame. 1st one was just `$1350; 2nd went for $1235. Summer season may have something to do with it. I dealt with Jade Shope & Fuels for the Shooter on GB. Keep checking the site. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: Originally Posted By ak47Dennis: Originally Posted By Master_Blaster: Originally Posted By whopete89: Yeah i dont understand why everybody has to compare it to an ar15. It's not supposed to be an ar15 or compete with it. This gun is for people like me that have multiple ar's and want something different. Also I have the privilege of being left handed so i think for me this rifle would be awesome. Btw the wife just green lighted me getting one when I get back from Korea. Im really stoked. Che k out the online auction sites. Sub-$1300 prices are becoming common. I am not seeing that, $1500 -$1600 buy it nows with and occasional $1499. Gun show and gun shops up to $1900 yet. Could be the time of yr. Bought both of mine back around late Winter to early Spring time frame. 1st one was just `$1350; 2nd went for $1235. Summer season may have something to do with it. I dealt with Jade Shope & Fuels for the Shooter on GB. Keep checking the site. Still $1195 at Botach |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 4:57:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jh1990:
Still $1195 at Botach Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jh1990:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Originally Posted By ak47Dennis:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Originally Posted By whopete89:
Yeah i dont understand why everybody has to compare it to an ar15. It's not supposed to be an ar15 or compete with it. This gun is for people like me that have multiple ar's and want something different. Also I have the privilege of being left handed so i think for me this rifle would be awesome. Btw the wife just green lighted me getting one when I get back from Korea. Im really stoked. Che k out the online auction sites. Sub-$1300 prices are becoming common. I am not seeing that, $1500 -$1600 buy it nows with and occasional $1499. Gun show and gun shops up to $1900 yet. Could be the time of yr. Bought both of mine back around late Winter to early Spring time frame. 1st one was just `$1350; 2nd went for $1235. Summer season may have something to do with it. I dealt with Jade Shope & Fuels for the Shooter on GB. Keep checking the site. Still $1195 at Botach Yeah, but that's Botach. They may or may not have them in stock, and won't tell you if they don't! |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 6/3/2015 11:09:58 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Matthew_Q:
Yeah, but that's Botach. They may or may not have them in stock, and won't tell you if they don't! I think I would take the risk for that price if I wanted another one. I haven't heard of anyone having a bad experience buying an ARX from them so far. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 11:33:59 AM EDT
[#17]
Got mines from Botach....took two weeks for it to arrive.
Well worth it and I'm patient. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 1:23:05 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jh1990: Still $1195 at Botach Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jh1990: Originally Posted By Master_Blaster: Originally Posted By ak47Dennis: Originally Posted By Master_Blaster: Originally Posted By whopete89: Yeah i dont understand why everybody has to compare it to an ar15. It's not supposed to be an ar15 or compete with it. This gun is for people like me that have multiple ar's and want something different. Also I have the privilege of being left handed so i think for me this rifle would be awesome. Btw the wife just green lighted me getting one when I get back from Korea. Im really stoked. Che k out the online auction sites. Sub-$1300 prices are becoming common. I am not seeing that, $1500 -$1600 buy it nows with and occasional $1499. Gun show and gun shops up to $1900 yet. Could be the time of yr. Bought both of mine back around late Winter to early Spring time frame. 1st one was just `$1350; 2nd went for $1235. Summer season may have something to do with it. I dealt with Jade Shope & Fuels for the Shooter on GB. Keep checking the site. Still $1195 at Botach |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 1:23:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Slimbone: So I was at the Colosseum last week and the Italian Soldiers standing guard were sporting the ARX. They were cool enough to take a pic with my son. Can't wait to SBR my ARX. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/Slimbone/IMG_1036_zpsetsazpl0.jpg Thats a really cool pic, any close ups of the rifle  |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 5:41:59 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ak47Dennis:
Thats odd, they show $1495 until you go to check out then it shows $1195. Why would they not just advertise the $1195? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ak47Dennis:
Originally Posted By jh1990:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Originally Posted By ak47Dennis:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Che k out the online auction sites. Sub-$1300 prices are becoming common. I am not seeing that, $1500 -$1600 buy it nows with and occasional $1499. Gun show and gun shops up to $1900 yet. Could be the time of yr. Bought both of mine back around late Winter to early Spring time frame. 1st one was just `$1350; 2nd went for $1235. Summer season may have something to do with it. I dealt with Jade Shope & Fuels for the Shooter on GB. Keep checking the site. Still $1195 at Botach Minimum advertised pricing. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/3/2015 5:50:28 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote History..Minimum advertised pricing. Yep. The infamous MAP clause. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 7:07:57 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ak47Dennis:
Thats a really cool pic, any close ups of the rifle
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ak47Dennis:
Originally Posted By Slimbone:
So I was at the Colosseum last week and the Italian Soldiers standing guard were sporting the ARX. They were cool enough to take a pic with my son. Can't wait to SBR my ARX. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/Slimbone/IMG_1036_zpsetsazpl0.jpg Thats a really cool pic, any close ups of the rifle
I wanted to get a close up pic, but I didn't want to piss him off. |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 10:14:09 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
I think I would take the risk for that price if I wanted another one. I haven't heard of anyone having a bad experience buying an ARX from them so far. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By Matthew_Q:
Yeah, but that's Botach. They may or may not have them in stock, and won't tell you if they don't! I think I would take the risk for that price if I wanted another one. I haven't heard of anyone having a bad experience buying an ARX from them so far. At that price, I rolled the dice. Order placed.
I've made several orders with them over the years and never an issue, but this is the first time I have ordered a firearm from them. We shall see... |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 6/4/2015 11:34:26 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HardShell:
At that price, I rolled the dice. Order placed.
I've made several orders with them over the years and never an issue, but this is the first time I have ordered a firearm from them. We shall see... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HardShell:
Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By Matthew_Q:
Yeah, but that's Botach. They may or may not have them in stock, and won't tell you if they don't! I think I would take the risk for that price if I wanted another one. I haven't heard of anyone having a bad experience buying an ARX from them so far. At that price, I rolled the dice. Order placed.
I've made several orders with them over the years and never an issue, but this is the first time I have ordered a firearm from them. We shall see... I can't believe that you don't have one yet... Truly shocking. 
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WA, USA
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Posted: 6/4/2015 12:27:20 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HardShell:
I know, right?
I have concentrated much more on NFA stuff the past few years and really only made "impulse purchases" of routine firearms, but I have wanted an ARX ever since I first held display samples at the NRA AM in Houston in 2013... <a href="http://s2.photobucket.com/user/HardShell/media/RWB%20Family/HardShellwARX100_zps31eadc9d.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/HardShell/RWB%20Family/HardShellwARX100_zps31eadc9d.jpg</a> Finally the right time to scratch that itch, I guess.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HardShell:
Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
I can't believe that you don't have one yet... Truly shocking. I know, right?
I have concentrated much more on NFA stuff the past few years and really only made "impulse purchases" of routine firearms, but I have wanted an ARX ever since I first held display samples at the NRA AM in Houston in 2013... <a href="http://s2.photobucket.com/user/HardShell/media/RWB%20Family/HardShellwARX100_zps31eadc9d.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/HardShell/RWB%20Family/HardShellwARX100_zps31eadc9d.jpg</a> Finally the right time to scratch that itch, I guess. Yep I remember, that show was the beginning of the 60 to 90 days time line.
That picture was pretty much all we got. |
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Posted: 6/5/2015 9:44:56 PM EDT
[#27]
Since I have my Saker in hand and a rare break from work, I took my SBR out today.
Pleased to report that, with the Saker mounted, it cycles in "S" with NO gas port modification, using factory Walmart ammo! Without the Saker, in "N" mode, it is shockingly close to cycling. I took some slo-mo video and the bolt gets within about 1" of locking back on an empty mag with the same ammo. So it seems that chopping the barrel at the gas block flare is a reasonable thing to do, and will only require modest drilling of the rear gas port to get it to cycle in all circumstances (if you are using a Saker). This also suggests that, in stock form, the ARX might be quite overgassed, since I am using a ludicrously short dwell time (the front gas port is only like 1" from the muzzle) and it's still close to cycling. |
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Posted: 6/6/2015 1:01:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conqueror:
Since I have my Saker in hand and a rare break from work, I took my SBR out today. Pleased to report that, with the Saker mounted, it cycles in "S" with NO gas port modification, using factory Walmart ammo! Without the Saker, in "N" mode, it is shockingly close to cycling. I took some slo-mo video and the bolt gets within about 1" of locking back on an empty mag with the same ammo. So it seems that chopping the barrel at the gas block flare is a reasonable thing to do, and will only require modest drilling of the rear gas port to get it to cycle in all circumstances (if you are using a Saker). This also suggests that, in stock form, the ARX might be quite overgassed, since I am using a ludicrously short dwell time (the front gas port is only like 1" from the muzzle) and it's still close to cycling. That's awesome. I wonder if, right when you get it tuned just right... Beretta will finally have barrels available! What is dwell time? I'm familiar with the technical operation of gas operated rifles, but am not familiar with how that term applies. |
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Posted: 6/6/2015 9:24:45 AM EDT
[#29]
Honestly, even if Beretta releases barrels, I would prefer to do it this way. The 12 inch barrels look goofy, and they will still have gas port settings built for standard and nonstandard ammunition instead of suppressed and unsuppressed.
Dwell time is the amount of time that gas is being fed into the gas system. Once the bullet leaves the muzzle, the gas pressure in the barrel goes to atmosphere, and no further gas is available to cycle the weapon. The shorter the barrel in front of the gas port, the shorter the dwell time, and the harder it is to get enough gas into the gas system to make the weapon cycle. Common wisdom is that ARs need 2-3" minimum, this has more like 1-1.5". |
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Posted: 6/6/2015 12:35:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Matthew_Q]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conqueror:
Honestly, even if Beretta releases barrels, I would prefer to do it this way. The 12 inch barrels look goofy, and they will still have gas port settings built for standard and nonstandard ammunition instead of suppressed and unsuppressed. Dwell time is the amount of time that gas is being fed into the gas system. Once the bullet leaves the muzzle, the gas pressure in the barrel goes to atmosphere, and no further gas is available to cycle the weapon. The shorter the barrel in front of the gas port, the shorter the dwell time, and the harder it is to get enough gas into the gas system to make the weapon cycle. Common wisdom is that ARs need 2-3" minimum, this has more like 1-1.5". Makes sense. I do wish they would arrange the gas ports for suppressed and unsuppressed. I do have in mind to SBR my ARX and eventually get a 5.56 or .30 cal can to use on it. I have a 9mm can in NFA jail right now that can be used on 5.56, as long as it's at least a 16" barrel, and rapid fire is highly discouraged. Am I correct in thinking that with a suppressor on the end of the barrel, the pressure doesn't quite drop as fast? So suppressed, the gun would need less gas? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/6/2015 6:06:35 PM EDT
[#31]
Looks like the picatinny bottom rail is finally out. Can't believe it took this long just to get a piece of molded polymer.
http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/arx-bottom-picatinny-rail-unpackaged/arxrl-1/ |
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Posted: 6/6/2015 6:29:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TurkeyLeg]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Matthew_Q: Makes sense. I do wish they would arrange the gas ports for suppressed and unsuppressed. I do have in mind to SBR my ARX and eventually get a 5.56 or .30 cal can to use on it. I have a 9mm can in NFA jail right now that can be used on 5.56, as long as it's at least a 16" barrel, and rapid fire is highly discouraged. Am I correct in thinking that with a suppressor on the end of the barrel, the pressure doesn't quite drop as fast? So suppressed, the gun would need less gas? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Matthew_Q: Originally Posted By Conqueror: Honestly, even if Beretta releases barrels, I would prefer to do it this way. The 12 inch barrels look goofy, and they will still have gas port settings built for standard and nonstandard ammunition instead of suppressed and unsuppressed. Dwell time is the amount of time that gas is being fed into the gas system. Once the bullet leaves the muzzle, the gas pressure in the barrel goes to atmosphere, and no further gas is available to cycle the weapon. The shorter the barrel in front of the gas port, the shorter the dwell time, and the harder it is to get enough gas into the gas system to make the weapon cycle. Common wisdom is that ARs need 2-3" minimum, this has more like 1-1.5". Makes sense. I do wish they would arrange the gas ports for suppressed and unsuppressed. I do have in mind to SBR my ARX and eventually get a 5.56 or .30 cal can to use on it. I have a 9mm can in NFA jail right now that can be used on 5.56, as long as it's at least a 16" barrel, and rapid fire is highly discouraged. Am I correct in thinking that with a suppressor on the end of the barrel, the pressure doesn't quite drop as fast? So suppressed, the gun would need less gas? Also, fyi, I have a Mystic with an X core, and it performed very well on the ARX. I assume you have a Mystic, from your description. I think ill SBR mine after Conqueror determines what to drill his N port to. |
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Posted: 6/6/2015 8:53:29 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: Looks like the picatinny bottom rail is finally out. Can't believe it took this long just to get a piece of molded polymer. http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/arx-bottom-picatinny-rail-unpackaged/arxrl-1/ Other the installing my Harris /LaRue bipod I keep it covered with a ergo grip ladder cover. |
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Posted: 6/6/2015 8:58:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ak47Dennis]
[#34]
I see the ARX 160 is out in coyote, wonder how much longer for the 100 in coyote/ fde? Can't wait to put it with my black one
http://www.riflegear.com/p-4725-beretta-arx-160-22lr-rifle-coyote-brown.aspx |
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Posted: 6/7/2015 2:19:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
Yes, thats correct. Also, fyi, I have a Mystic with an X core, and it performed very well on the ARX. I assume you have a Mystic, from your description. I think ill SBR mine after Conqueror determines what to drill his N port to. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
Originally Posted By Matthew_Q:
Originally Posted By Conqueror:
Honestly, even if Beretta releases barrels, I would prefer to do it this way. The 12 inch barrels look goofy, and they will still have gas port settings built for standard and nonstandard ammunition instead of suppressed and unsuppressed. Dwell time is the amount of time that gas is being fed into the gas system. Once the bullet leaves the muzzle, the gas pressure in the barrel goes to atmosphere, and no further gas is available to cycle the weapon. The shorter the barrel in front of the gas port, the shorter the dwell time, and the harder it is to get enough gas into the gas system to make the weapon cycle. Common wisdom is that ARs need 2-3" minimum, this has more like 1-1.5". Makes sense. I do wish they would arrange the gas ports for suppressed and unsuppressed. I do have in mind to SBR my ARX and eventually get a 5.56 or .30 cal can to use on it. I have a 9mm can in NFA jail right now that can be used on 5.56, as long as it's at least a 16" barrel, and rapid fire is highly discouraged. Am I correct in thinking that with a suppressor on the end of the barrel, the pressure doesn't quite drop as fast? So suppressed, the gun would need less gas? Also, fyi, I have a Mystic with an X core, and it performed very well on the ARX. I assume you have a Mystic, from your description. I think ill SBR mine after Conqueror determines what to drill his N port to. No, I've got the Mystic X in jail. Can't wait to get it. Should be about another month. |
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Posted: 6/7/2015 7:44:43 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Matthew_Q:
Am I correct in thinking that with a suppressor on the end of the barrel, the pressure doesn't quite drop as fast? So suppressed, the gun would need less gas? Yes, that's correct. It's why, on an SBR, if you do the gas port work correctly, you can run a suppressor on "S" but need "N" to cycle without it. So the meaning changes from Standard/Nonstandard to Suppressed/Nonsuppressed. |
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Posted: 6/7/2015 11:26:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conqueror:
Yes, that's correct. It's why, on an SBR, if you do the gas port work correctly, you can run a suppressor on "S" but need "N" to cycle without it. So the meaning changes from Standard/Nonstandard to Suppressed/Nonsuppressed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conqueror:
Originally Posted By Matthew_Q:
Am I correct in thinking that with a suppressor on the end of the barrel, the pressure doesn't quite drop as fast? So suppressed, the gun would need less gas? Yes, that's correct. It's why, on an SBR, if you do the gas port work correctly, you can run a suppressor on "S" but need "N" to cycle without it. So the meaning changes from Standard/Nonstandard to Suppressed/Nonsuppressed. That's the way I'd rather have it anyway. I am curious to see how the factory SBR barrels are set up... if we ever get to see them in the US. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 6/9/2015 9:13:21 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blain:
Overly bulky and ugly looking. Same weight as a non polymer M4..... What's all the fuss? True ambidexterity, folding stock, it's not yet another AR. AJ |
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Posted: 6/9/2015 10:44:52 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AubrayJ:
True ambidexterity, folding stock, it's not yet another AR. AJ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AubrayJ:
Originally Posted By Blain:
Overly bulky and ugly looking. Same weight as a non polymer M4..... What's all the fuss? True ambidexterity, folding stock, it's not yet another AR. AJ And it is not at all as bulky as pictures seem to make it look. (Kind of like me in that way.  )
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Posted: 6/9/2015 10:59:23 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conqueror:
Honestly, even if Beretta releases barrels, I would prefer to do it this way. The 12 inch barrels look goofy, and they will still have gas port settings built for standard and nonstandard ammunition instead of suppressed and unsuppressed. Dwell time is the amount of time that gas is being fed into the gas system. Once the bullet leaves the muzzle, the gas pressure in the barrel goes to atmosphere, and no further gas is available to cycle the weapon. The shorter the barrel in front of the gas port, the shorter the dwell time, and the harder it is to get enough gas into the gas system to make the weapon cycle. Common wisdom is that ARs need 2-3" minimum, this has more like 1-1.5". SBR factory barrels will be 10.3", & obviously tuned accordingly. |
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Posted: 6/9/2015 1:38:24 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HardShell:
And it is not at all as bulky as pictures seem to make it look. (Kind of like me in that way. )
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HardShell:
Originally Posted By AubrayJ:
Originally Posted By Blain:
Overly bulky and ugly looking. Same weight as a non polymer M4..... What's all the fuss? True ambidexterity, folding stock, it's not yet another AR. AJ And it is not at all as bulky as pictures seem to make it look. (Kind of like me in that way. )
Yep exactly, the camera adds ten pounds... Or in my case, fifty. 
It's just an optical illusion is all.
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Posted: 6/9/2015 3:42:19 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Yep exactly, the camera adds ten pounds... Or in my case, fifty.
It's just an optical illusion is all. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By HardShell:
Originally Posted By AubrayJ:
Originally Posted By Blain:
Overly bulky and ugly looking. Same weight as a non polymer M4..... What's all the fuss? True ambidexterity, folding stock, it's not yet another AR. AJ And it is not at all as bulky as pictures seem to make it look. (Kind of like me in that way. )
Yep exactly, the camera adds ten pounds... Or in my case, fifty.
It's just an optical illusion is all. 
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Posted: 6/9/2015 4:13:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Conqueror]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster:
SBR factory barrels will be 10.3", & obviously tuned accordingly. What you're failing to realize is that the 10.3" Civilian barrels look like the 12" military barrels. Since the civvy rifle has a shorter gas system and shorter forend, it's not directly comparable to the ARX-160 barrels from an aesthetic standpoint. The 10.3" barrels look more like this: 
than this... 
If you like the look where the muzzle device is up close to the gas block, you have to go more like 9.5" on the civilian guns. And, as I mentioned above, the factory SBR barrels will be tuned appropriately to run, but with Standard and Nonstandard gas ports, both of which will be way overgassed with a silencer. That's why (IMO) it makes more sense to chop a 16" barrel and do the port work. |
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Posted: 6/9/2015 5:35:49 PM EDT
[#44]
I agree, but dont forget that the Saker is really the only can rated for a 9.5 inch barrel right now, that I can think of. Maybe the Surefire cans?
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Posted: 6/9/2015 9:04:34 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By HardShell:
Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By HardShell:
Originally Posted By AubrayJ:
Originally Posted By Blain:
Overly bulky and ugly looking. Same weight as a non polymer M4..... What's all the fuss? True ambidexterity, folding stock, it's not yet another AR. AJ And it is not at all as bulky as pictures seem to make it look. (Kind of like me in that way. )
Yep exactly, the camera adds ten pounds... Or in my case, fifty.
It's just an optical illusion is all.  https://youtu.be/nc5s56Tv74s
That's a good one... Maybe I'll loose some weight throwing hay tomorrow.
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Posted: 6/10/2015 12:02:56 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
I agree, but dont forget that the Saker is really the only can rated for a 9.5 inch barrel right now, that I can think of. Maybe the Surefire cans? Specwar 7.62... |
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Posted: 6/10/2015 2:29:27 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
Specwar 7.62... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
I agree, but dont forget that the Saker is really the only can rated for a 9.5 inch barrel right now, that I can think of. Maybe the Surefire cans? Specwar 7.62... 5.56 I thought too...? |
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Posted: 6/10/2015 6:53:39 AM EDT
[#48]
Surely the Sig silencers are rated down to 9, since that's what barrel their "pistol" MCX ships with. Yes?
It does't say at http://sigsilencers.com/products/rifles/srd556/ |
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Posted: 6/10/2015 7:08:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TurkeyLeg]
[#49]
ETA. Derp, thought you were talking about pistol calibers, too... As for 9.5 inch compatible rifle cans, I forgot about the Specwar 7.62. That thing is huge though. Brad, Silencerco came out and said the Specwar 5.56 was still only rated down to 10 inch barrels, even though it has a full stellite stack. The lack of the Hoplon blast baffle and the tighter 5.56 bore must have caused too much wear. |
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Posted: 6/10/2015 9:02:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conqueror:
What you're failing to realize is that the 10.3" Civilian barrels look like the 12" military barrels. Since the civvy rifle has a shorter gas system and shorter forend, it's not directly comparable to the ARX-160 barrels from an aesthetic standpoint. The 10.3" barrels look more like this: http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com//wp-content/uploads/2012/02/arx160.jpg than this... http://weaponsman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Beretta-Arx160sf.jpg If you like the look where the muzzle device is up close to the gas block, you have to go more like 9.5" on the civilian guns. And, as I mentioned above, the factory SBR barrels will be tuned appropriately to run, but with Standard and Nonstandard gas ports, both of which will be way overgassed with a silencer. That's why (IMO) it makes more sense to chop a 16" barrel and do the port work. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conqueror:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
SBR factory barrels will be 10.3", & obviously tuned accordingly. What you're failing to realize is that the 10.3" Civilian barrels look like the 12" military barrels. Since the civvy rifle has a shorter gas system and shorter forend, it's not directly comparable to the ARX-160 barrels from an aesthetic standpoint. The 10.3" barrels look more like this: http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com//wp-content/uploads/2012/02/arx160.jpg than this... http://weaponsman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Beretta-Arx160sf.jpg If you like the look where the muzzle device is up close to the gas block, you have to go more like 9.5" on the civilian guns. And, as I mentioned above, the factory SBR barrels will be tuned appropriately to run, but with Standard and Nonstandard gas ports, both of which will be way overgassed with a silencer. That's why (IMO) it makes more sense to chop a 16" barrel and do the port work. The 100 is an A3 variant, same config as the current 160 A3's. The coyote SF versions in the pic you're referencing are A2 variants. Since the SBR bbl hasn't been released, can't say if the stock settings will work with a can. I'm not going to get hung up on the implied meaning of the gas block letters. They could be "F" & "U" for all I care, so long as I can run my Surge. |
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