Can anyone comment on the Countersniper 1-4x scopes:  Counter Sniper 1-4x24

I bought the DMS-1 and have now had it out to the range a few times, so I will comment on my experience with it so far.   The optics are clear, but near the edges I can see some blurrieness/whatever.     It holds it's zero, and seems repeatable so far.    I'm also impressed that my windage zero is exactly where the dot for "zero" is on the turrent.     In the LaRue mount, it is always zeroed, even after I remove it for cleaning the rifle, each and every time.   The adjustments are 1/2" per click at 100yrds.    That seems to work well so far.    I'm able to cover a nickle at 50yrds with a 5 shot group off a bench, all covering the bull.  The illumination is only visible at night, or in doors.   It shows up well against a target illuminated by my 230lmn light.  

It does seem fairly large, and heavy.    At 300m, I've been able to shoot some great 2" groups with my 16" midlength.  Better than I've ever shot this rifle before with the Eotech on it.   I'm able to make out fairly small bulls at those ranges.   I can't comment on it's durability, as i just havne't done much with it yet, and it is still new.  


I still wish I would have seen this thread first, as I would buy something with a better quality glass...probalby the Burris; maybe the Nightforce.

Have your cake & eat it, too? - VERY interesting.

I just talked to Kruger - this is the prototype they had at SHOT - they're doing a tweak/redesign based on feedback from the folks who saw it at SHOT, with a release date sometime in late Q4 2010.

Here is a thread about that optic:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=980061

I was interested until I saw this pic.

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Any info on the Weaver 1.5-5x24 Super Slam 30mm Rifle Scope or the Hawke Optics eclipse 30 or endurance 1-4x24

BH has the Konus right now for only 109$ + shipping (which is only 14$ for 2-day)

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/608573-REG/Konus_7284_1_4x24_M_30_Konuspro_Riflescope.html

I know it's one of the lower tier optics, but it's better than the millet, has more features than the weaver, and MAY POSSIBLY be the new version (V2) with the lower turrets. V1 had the regular tall tactical turrets:

The lowest price on Google shopping right now is like 220$, midwayUSA has it for 279$, and opticsplanet has it for 275$. I called BH after I placed my order last night and I was told they get it straight from the manufacturer, so I'm assuming it's the V2, but we'll see.

I ordered 2 of the Konus M30s from B&H last week.  Waiting to see how they do.

Did you get them yet? Any status updates? How did they notify you that they got the scopes from the manufacturer...they are a special order item, apparently.

Thanks



I would like to know about the Hawke as well... apparently its better than millet but just under bushnell 4200?

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Holy frakkin' hell - shrink that SOB - PLEEEEZE!

You'ld be better off mounting a MRDS atop their 2.5x10x stand alone:

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It's been a while since I have uploaded anything new interesting and it will be a while until my next set of reviews since it will be several months before those scopes are available. To help tide you over I present the press release and spec sheets on the new S&B 1.1-8x scope.





On a side note, many of you inquired about the Kruger 1/2-8x scope. I have contacted them but have had no response with any specs. Until I have some more detailed information from them I will not be adding it to the table.

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So functional and sexy...but so heavy and expensive....

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Don't know if anyone posted this yet, but it looks like SWFA is going to be coming out with a "SS 1-4x FFP" scope. It looks as if, for now, the prototype has a BDC (snipers hide article).

I see:

http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1737090#Post1737090




I re-hosted the images here incase they go down:

http://lifealist.com/2010/04/first-look-swfa-ss-1-4x-ffp/

ahhh man... i just ran into another one. I haven't done the research on this one yet as there are so many to choose from now... if the optic is good for a sig 556 i might entertain this one. Going to look for a review on it now. Leatherwood CMR Tactical Rifle Scope. It has a green illuminated circle with a bdc but at mil increments for 223 or 308.

From a different forum:

Thanks for the heads up cyrekzz. I have added the Leatherwood scope. At this price I expect it will be of interest to many readers. Leatherwood's product catalog is quite through regarding its information on this scope. A link to the pdf is here.

Also, I have sent an e-mail to SWFA soliciting information on the new super sniper 1-4x. I will update if I get information regarding it.

There are also these Hawke optics 1-4x's....

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Hawke-Sport-Optics-1.25-4x24-Eclipse-30-IR-Riflescope/13106420

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Hawke-Sport-Optics-Endurance-30-1.25-4.5x24-IR-Riflescope/13106416

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thanks bigjimfish! i guess for me - my choices are between the vortex, burris, swfa (when it comes out), and the hi-lux. Right now, with the 2 of those that are actually available, it seems that the burris has had more reviews on it - and they have all been positive. I haven't heard many reviews on the cmr because it's a new scope. I think the FFP in the vortex and SWFA one is kind of an advantage for calculation - but for hunting and plinking - it might not make a difference. Curious to see a side by side comparison of the vortex and CMR hi-lux.

I'm kinda like you.   Right now, I'm leaning towards the Burris, but would like to see how the Vortex is reviewed.  

Anyone have any solid idea on when we will get these new 1-8x's onto the market I know a bunch were shown at SHOT but it seems all the manufactures didnt bring anything they were planning on releasing anytime soon....

I really want one of the 1-8x's with the illuminated dot with the mil dots but part of me is saying just buy the 1-6 and be done with it......
of course then I will be kicking myself for not having the 1-8....
this optic will be going on my 16 inch 68 hunting/do everything rig... I want NVG compatible, illuminated dot with the mil or other type of ranging "precision" reticule for the further distances.... I have had an 2-7x leupold, an aimpoint, and Eotech and the rig currently has a 4x ACOG on it.... the new 1-8's look perfect but how much more perfect would it be as compared to a 1-6?

Also anyone know battery type and expected life for these new 1-8's? I cant get any solid info from the manufactures...

thanks in advance.

I spoke with the S&B rep sometime last month and the Premier Reticles rep in January. At that time PR thought May would be the earliest possible date to have a production version on hand for me to review. However, I would not be surprised if this is now delayed following PR winning a contract with the U.S. Army for sniper day scopes. I expect this will eat up much of their time and resources. Also, recently I read an announcement on snipers hide that they will not be shipping any new 5-25x56 scopes for the next few months due to parts availability and pricing. I would not be surprised if when I call Chris next month I find the 1-8x is delayed though I am surely hoping its not since I have very high hopes for that scope. Its numbers are fabulous and PR is gaining quite a reputation for quality and ingenuity. Its my odds on favorite to be the best 1-8x. S&B also gave me May as the earliest possible release date. I think its is likely the S&B will be out in force mid year as the rep seemed confident last time I spoke with her and I have not heard anything to the contrary since. I will be contacting both companies at the beginning of May to get an update. Incidentally May is also when I will be reviewing the Vortex Viper and Razor 1-4x's. These also appear to be on schedule. I expect that come May I will have some more answers for everybody since I will be contacting these companies as well as Meopta to see about the tactical k-dot (which I expect June to July at the earliest) and GRSC to see how their 1-6x scopes are progressing. I should probably contact Leupold as well to find out what the deal is with the CQBSS. I have heard so many different things about the price, some of which are just crazy talk. They also still don't even have this scope on their website so who really knows whats going on with it.

Regarding the current 1-6x offerings, Swarovski makes the only one yet released. By all accounts it is a truly excellent scope but it does not have any type of ranging or BDC reticle available at all. If you want either or both of those features in a 1-6 or 1-8x you simply must wait. I would call your attention to the March Tactical 1-10x that I reviewed on page 6. This has a ranging reticle and is available today.

As for battery life, all of the scopes in question use watch batteries. Most use CR2032's. Scopes using these small batteries really give you about 100 hours of high illumination at most. I get all kinds of crazy talk answers from companies all the time about how long their scopes will last on a battery but regardless of what they say the folks I have talked to who have actually tried them out say you pretty much can't beat that using small watch type batteries.

Lastly, regarding night vision. It is my understanding the key to being NV compatible is being able to set the scopes reticle to very low illumination. Though I have never tried these puppies out since they only exist in prototype form currently they all have lots and lots of illumination settings so I expect you will find one that agrees with your particular NV rig well enough.

Well that's a whole lot of words to say I won't really know anything until May rolls around and I check in with the various manufacturers to get updates.

I just got a reply back from SandB they will be shipping scopes in August.... Premier told me summer time, same as leupold.... I was put on the back order list for the SandB.... we will see what happens when aug rolls around.

I can attach SandB's PDF file on their scope if you need that information.

Dumb question of the day - ever illusive 6 and 8 power scopes are hard to find, not many with the desired type of reticule.  Why not one of the following?

1 - a low power scout scope with a flip magnifier?  Add illumination to the scout scope plus the proper/desired reticule. Without magnifier, perhaps1-3 power variable, add the magnifier and you get up to 6 power

2 - Get EOTech to make a new reticule that is more intended for precision shooting (like the Vortex reticule) and add the flip magnifier to it.  Similar to 1)

3 - My lever gun has a Weaver scope in a flip mount - so why can't any of the current "tactical" makers produce a flip mount for a SCOPE (not just the magnifier)?  Now you can run the red dot forward of the scope, move the scope out of the way and you have just the dot, use the combo when needed.  It would allow for different colors on the illumination of the two optics, so you have that option as well...

No disrespect, but you sound like you base what you like on other people's opinions rather then your own personal experience?!  If you like it who cares what other people think.  You are the one using it.  If everyone said the Counter Sniper was the shit would you like it?

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Just ordered a Leatherwood CMR 1-4x24mm today, I e-mailed back and forth with a sales rep at the company about the reticle, etc... On their website it currently states that it's available in Red or Green, but that is a typo, it's currently only available in Green. He did say that the green is visible in the daylight. How visible is yet to be determined, I will let you know as soon as I get it.

Should get it early next week, I'll post a writeup and some pictures when it arrives.

Best price i could find was $250 @ http://www.natchezss.com/...

Writeup soon to follow...

––Josh

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Hey all, sorry for the delay... UPS was running slower than I thought. But i got the scope in today!

Here are some of the excerpts from the review and a few pictures. Feel free to check out the full review using the link...

Leatherwood CMR Review
Burris AR-P.E.P.R. Review

The overall feel of the scope is good, it has a nice weight to it and feels durable. All of the adjusters have firm indexing, so you can tell when you are tuning them, and they require a bit of force to actual make the adjustments.

The ZRO-LOC system allows you to lock the "zero" of the scope, and then make positive adjustments from that point of zero. It's an interesting concept, but it will require some more messing with before I can say if it's a good thing or a bad thing.

On quick shouldering of my rifle, I did notice that I needed to be looking strait through the scope to avoid losing sight picture. It doesn't function well from strange shooting angles (something that an EOTech works great for). In theory, this could be an issue for shooting off hand or from extreme positions.

The illumination of the reticle is controlled by a dial on the eye piece. There are 11 settings. NV (night vision), 2 - 11, and an Off position. You can rotate the dial both directions, allowing you to go directly to either end of the brightness spectrum.

The reticle is interesting. I'm not completely sold on it. A lot of the elements are quite small and if you are in a quick aim situation, it could be hard to locate the parts you need. However with that said, operating in more of the scope perspective, the reticle is nice and contains some great drop and lead information.

The illumination of the reticle is pretty bright, especially for lower light situations. It washes out in bright light (outside, etc) but the black reticle is still quite visible and clear. The illumination is definitely much better suited for indoors or dark/jungle type areas. Also, with the green illumination, the reticle does not wash out and is visible on all surfaces that i tested in lower light. In direct sun, the black reticle is visible and seems to function as any other scope would in the same situation.

Sorry for the reticle pictures not being fantastic, i don't have the touch for them yet.

Here is the reticle illuminated indoors.
http://www.santsys.com/reviews/images/leatherwood-cmr/l-cmr-03.jpg

Here is the reticle illuminated outside.
http://www.santsys.com/reviews/images/leatherwood-cmr/l-cmr-04.jpg
http://www.santsys.com/reviews/images/leatherwood-cmr/l-cmr-05.jpg


http://www.santsys.com/reviews/images/leatherwood-cmr/l-cmr-06.jpg

Some final thoughts on it... I will need to get some actual shooting time behind this scope and see how it performs over time, but all-in-all, I am happy with the design and basic functionality. Obviously everyone's opinion may differ, but from a practical perspective, and for someone that does a lot of standard shooting, not much running and gunning, this scope will work out very well.

Just let me know if there is some specific info that anyone wants... I'm going to get some bench time in this weekend. But I'm pretty sure everything will go well.

On your second picture I noticed a sort of screen door effect, is that noticeable in person or just an effect of the camera through the scope?  I darkened up the picture a little to show what I'm talking about.

Anyone have any experience with the Nikon Monarch Gold 1.5-6x42?

I like the 1.5 option, and the greater end magnification (6x).  But the 42mm objective seems like it would be a bit big for quick, 3 gun match use.