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Posted: 12/21/2014 2:32:08 PM EDT
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Its just a colt 604 upper produced between 1966 and ~1970 thats possibly been refinished, and has been in the EE for 2.5 months because its priced about 60% more than what others in similar condition have sold for.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 2:45:09 PM EDT
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Its just a colt 604 upper produced between 1966 and ~1970 thats possibly been refinished, and has been in the EE for 2.5 months because its priced about 60% more than what others in similar condition have sold for. Yeah it aint $300 purty that's for sure! $150 pretty? Probably. Because of the refinish. He's very proud of it though.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 2:54:47 PM EDT
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Seller has been around arfcom for a while. Must not be in a hurry to sell a regular 604 upper.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 3:11:24 PM EDT
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Thank you Gentlemen. -W
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Posted: 12/21/2014 3:31:06 PM EDT
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Yeah, I'd rather have my 40 dollar one, same one as this, that I refinished and looks as good.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 3:40:03 PM EDT
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IIRC I sent him an IM a few months ago telling him as much.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 3:55:27 PM EDT
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The term "Holy Grail" sure seems to be getting tossed around a lot lately. . .
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:01:51 PM EDT
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IIRC I sent him an IM a few months ago telling him as much. I'm sure he knows what he's doing without any help
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:05:38 PM EDT
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Well there's one born every minute they say!
Maybe mamma said "Get rid off of all this gunshit" and he posted it so she can see he's TRYING to sell it! 
I don't blame him! I wouldn't want to sell it either!
I wish him all the best and am not saying anything derogatory about him in the least! |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:39:32 PM EDT
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He's the quintessential "used car" salesman of the gun world. Everything he sells is either one of a kind, rare, perfect condition, hard to find or freshly found in a VC bunker.
His ads make me want to puke. I won't even look at them anymore. I'm sure he's trolled a few buyers in with his over the top descriptions. We can't leave negative comments in the EE here but I asked him some pointed questions about his Holy Grail items over at FALFiles. He wouldn't respond. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 6:09:42 PM EDT
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Well, it IS stunning to behold.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 7:19:53 PM EDT
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Well............it is a free market, so we need to take that into consideration. One can ASK what ever they want. Having said that, I have a mental list of user names that I won't even open their threads/ads, etc. After all, there are two sides to the free market system.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 7:23:13 PM EDT
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I looked, I WAS definitely stunned
He won that round |
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Posted: 1/4/2015 8:08:07 PM EDT
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What do we have here #2 Ok, so I'm browsing the used parts ads and I see this. Colt M16E1 Chrome plated BCG. Does anyone notice anything unusual about the item for sale? You can do a little research Here M16 Identification guide The carrier doesn't look right to me. Adding the flat head firing pin is a nice touch. The double staking is a nice touch too. Does anyone have any idea what we are actually looking at? My opinion is I don't know exactly what it is. The step on the carrier behind the firing pin retainer hole was first used in about 1995, so I know it's not a Genuine Colt original M16E1 BCG. Colt only made chrome carriers with forward assist notches for 1 year, 1964. There are no others that I know of. So, what is it?
ETA: This is the same seller that had the first what do we have here? Ad. |
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Posted: 1/4/2015 9:52:11 PM EDT
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What do we have here #2 Ok, so I'm browsing the used parts ads and I see this. Colt M16E1 Chrome plated BCG. Does anyone notice anything unusual about the item for sale? You can do a little research Here M16 Identification guide The carrier doesn't look right to me. Adding the flat head firing pin is a nice touch. The double staking is a nice touch too. Does anyone have any idea what we are actually looking at? My opinion is I don't know exactly what it is. The step on the carrier behind the firing pin retainer hole was first used in about 1995, so I know it's not a Genuine Colt original M16E1 BCG. Colt only made chrome carriers with forward assist notches for 1 year, 1964. There are no others that I know of. So, what is it? ETA: This is the same seller that had the first what do we have here? Ad. if what you say is true and he is selling fraudulently, why is he allowed to sell at all? |
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Posted: 1/4/2015 10:33:05 PM EDT
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if what you say is true and he is selling fraudulently, why is he allowed to sell at all? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What do we have here #2 Ok, so I'm browsing the used parts ads and I see this. Colt M16E1 Chrome plated BCG. Does anyone notice anything unusual about the item for sale? You can do a little research Here M16 Identification guide The carrier doesn't look right to me. Adding the flat head firing pin is a nice touch. The double staking is a nice touch too. Does anyone have any idea what we are actually looking at? My opinion is I don't know exactly what it is. The step on the carrier behind the firing pin retainer hole was first used in about 1995, so I know it's not a Genuine Colt original M16E1 BCG. Colt only made chrome carriers with forward assist notches for 1 year, 1964. There are no others that I know of. So, what is it? ETA: This is the same seller that had the first what do we have here? Ad. if what you say is true and he is selling fraudulently, why is he allowed to sell at all? This+1 |
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Posted: 1/4/2015 10:42:25 PM EDT
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Not taking up for the guy, because I have always thought he asked "stupid prices" for his parts, but maybe he doesn't know what he has. You'd have to knowingly misrepresent the part to be fraudulent.
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Posted: 1/4/2015 11:01:08 PM EDT
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What do we have here #2 Ok, so I'm browsing the used parts ads and I see this. Colt M16E1 Chrome plated BCG. Does anyone notice anything unusual about the item for sale? You can do a little research Here M16 Identification guide The carrier doesn't look right to me. Adding the flat head firing pin is a nice touch. The double staking is a nice touch too. Does anyone have any idea what we are actually looking at? My opinion is I don't know exactly what it is. The step on the carrier behind the firing pin retainer hole was first used in about 1995, so I know it's not a Genuine Colt original M16E1 BCG. Colt only made chrome carriers with forward assist notches for 1 year, 1964. There are no others that I know of. So, what is it? ETA: This is the same seller that had the first what do we have here? Ad. That's a new BCG... Young manufacturing maybe? |
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Posted: 1/4/2015 11:10:06 PM EDT
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BCG lacks the large chamfer around the retaining pin hole on the right side. Later manufacture, not sure what maker.
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Posted: 1/4/2015 11:18:57 PM EDT
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BCG lacks the large chamfer around the retaining pin hole on the right side. Later manufacture, not sure what maker. Even the top stakes don't look right to me, and I know no two top stakes on early BCG's look alike but this one just doesn't look right. ETA - Maybe it was because they were staked with hen's teeth? 
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Posted: 1/5/2015 12:54:39 AM EDT
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Even the top stakes don't look right to me, and I know no two top stakes on early BCG's look alike but this one just doesn't look right. ETA - Maybe it was because they were staked with hen's teeth? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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BCG lacks the large chamfer around the retaining pin hole on the right side. Later manufacture, not sure what maker. Even the top stakes don't look right to me, and I know no two top stakes on early BCG's look alike but this one just doesn't look right. ETA - Maybe it was because they were staked with hen's teeth? 
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Posted: 1/5/2015 1:47:25 AM EDT
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I questioned the originality of the finish on the 604 receiver in a e-mail (when I was actively looking for a 604 receiver) with the question of the lugs being gray when they should be black. He seemed pretty offended in the reply stating that he had never heard of such a thing. I never replied back & just moved on.
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Posted: 1/5/2015 2:25:05 AM EDT
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Nice catch, wools10. It definitely doesn't look correct for what he's identifying it as.
Just for the discussion, here's my XM16E1 BCG (to the best of my knowledge, it is all original except the extractor, which was replaced with a park'd one at some point in its life; if anyone can say mine is not original, please speak up!). 
Now look at some of the detail. We can ignore the extra staking on the key because it's not rare to find old keys restaked and there's no telling which marks were there first (the round stake marks between the screws could be early if that's all we had to look at). But you are correct in pointing out the "step" just behind the key...and note the differences in the forward assist notches. On mine, the scallops are fully formed, with a little space between the notches: 
On his (detail of a screen cap from his ad), the scallops overlap so there's no space between the notches: 
I never paid much attention to that detail before. If others here have bona fide XM16E1 carriers (Morg308--I know you do), I'd appreciate you checking: are your notches spaced similarly to mine? |
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Posted: 1/5/2015 2:45:45 AM EDT
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I've got a chromed XM16E1 carrier as well (albeit with a replacement parked gas key). I'll dig the rifle out tomorrow and take pics.
FWIW, I saw the ad earlier and thought to myself "I bet he wants $400 for it." Then I scrolled down and was proven right. 
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Posted: 1/5/2015 8:43:07 AM EDT
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That there is a really nice rare gem..........................
Not really 
Edit: Sent him an IM months ago about the 604 receiver, message wasn't received well. |
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Posted: 1/5/2015 9:23:12 AM EDT
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Almost made a thread yesterday about both items. its a free market but id really hate to see someone get taken on what they are buying.
Looked at my three colt chrome bolt carries. They dont have serrations, but the blend job between cuts on the back side is perfect. No under cuts. |
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Posted: 1/5/2015 10:18:12 AM EDT
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I'll post up pics of my m16e1 carrier shortly also.
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Posted: 1/5/2015 10:40:47 AM EDT
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Another urban myth is all Chrome XM16E1 Carriers all had round gas keys, I've personally seen both and in HKiller's thread with demilled XM16E1 Carriers, you can clearly see full round and 3/4 round gas keys on several.
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Posted: 1/5/2015 12:16:32 PM EDT
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I know that someone mentioned the possibility of a Young carrier earlier in the thread. Also knowing that PSA closed these Chrome M16 carriers out at $29.99 not long ago. I would never know the difference in what to look for. (but I'm trying to soak it all in) I not saying that's what he's got but it sure would suck if someone passed a modern carrier off at a premium Colt price. So as Noobie to this Retro madness I beg you guys to call BS if and when you see it and I'm sure others that are still in a learning curve will as well.
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/18964/s/6-8-chrome-carrier/category/332/ |
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Posted: 1/5/2015 12:26:51 PM EDT
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I know that someone mentioned the possibility of a Young carrier earlier in the thread. Also knowing that PSA closed these Chrome M16 carriers out at $29.99 not long ago. I would never know the difference in what to look for. (but I'm trying to soak it all in) I not saying that's what he's got but it sure would suck if someone passed a modern carrier off at a premium Colt price. So as Noobie to this Retro madness I beg you guys to call BS if and when you see it and I'm sure others that are still in a learning curve will as well. http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/18964/s/6-8-chrome-carrier/category/332/ I think it was Morg who mentioned how easy it would be to fake originals if you knew what the little differences are and here we are. |
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Posted: 1/5/2015 1:27:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/5/2015 1:30:27 PM EDT
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I'll post up pics of my m16e1 carrier shortly also. http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz327/T00lmanii/P1056514_zpsc479db22.jpg http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz327/T00lmanii/P1056513_zps477b9390.jpg http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz327/T00lmanii/P1056512_zps76cf3941.jpg That's the other thing that I noticed. Your E1 bolt has the cuts just behind the Lugs. My E1 bolt has the same as well. It looks as though his do not? I think I noticed them on Morg's pics as well. Mine is a partial round key as well with the stakes being done with a circular punch. Has anyone seen the E1's with a square punch stake? Just curious since I know that the change over to A1 where a mix of circular and square stake marks. |
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Posted: 1/5/2015 2:15:18 PM EDT
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That's the other thing that I noticed. Your E1 bolt has the cuts just behind the Lugs. My E1 bolt has the same as well. It looks as though his do not? I think I noticed them on Morg's pics as well. Mine is a partial round key as well with the stakes being done with a circular punch. Has anyone seen the E1's with a square punch stake? Just curious since I know that the change over to A1 where a mix of circular and square stake marks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll post up pics of my m16e1 carrier shortly also. http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz327/T00lmanii/P1056514_zpsc479db22.jpg http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz327/T00lmanii/P1056513_zps477b9390.jpg http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz327/T00lmanii/P1056512_zps76cf3941.jpg That's the other thing that I noticed. Your E1 bolt has the cuts just behind the Lugs. My E1 bolt has the same as well. It looks as though his do not? I think I noticed them on Morg's pics as well. Mine is a partial round key as well with the stakes being done with a circular punch. Has anyone seen the E1's with a square punch stake? Just curious since I know that the change over to A1 where a mix of circular and square stake marks. Everyone in my possession had round top stakes, and I've had 6 or 7 come and go over the years, 2 with 3/4 round keys and the rest had full round. |
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Posted: 1/5/2015 2:31:00 PM EDT
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Here are the 3 I have owned 1 has the 3/4 Gas Key.
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Posted: 1/5/2015 2:37:53 PM EDT
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Can you get a picture of the side opposite of the serrations?
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Posted: 1/5/2015 2:59:55 PM EDT
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Just past the chamfer for the retaining pin there isnt a step like the one in question.
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Posted: 1/5/2015 3:01:52 PM EDT
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Just past the chamfer for the retaining pin there isnt a step like the one in question. If you look at the one with the corrosion near the gas vents you will see it has the step. |
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Posted: 1/5/2015 3:01:53 PM EDT
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To those interested, for reference here's some photo's of the very first Colt chrome bolt carriers made with forward assist notches for the XM16E1 1964. This one came from the Colt tool room and sold last year for $800.00. Note the notches run all the way to the front of the carrier. Real eye candy. -W
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Posted: 1/5/2015 3:11:18 PM EDT
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You mean like the one I was sold and traded for the regular XM Carrier.
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Posted: 1/5/2015 3:12:19 PM EDT
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If you look at the one with the corrosion near the gas vents you will see it has the step. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just past the chamfer for the retaining pin there isnt a step like the one in question. If you look at the one with the corrosion near the gas vents you will see it has the step. Yeah but very minimal. |
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Posted: 1/5/2015 3:39:41 PM EDT
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BROvet04,
Could we get some more photos of the top carrier? Four or more good ones. Top, bottom, left and right. As you see by this thread, the details are important. If you don't know how to upload them, you can send them to me and I will. upload them. I do save information on Colt retro parts. Thank you, I and I'm sure others would appreciate it too. -W |
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Posted: 1/5/2015 4:01:21 PM EDT
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Also the gas key screws use a smaller 4mm Allen wrench on originals and newer gas key screws use 9/16" Allen wrench.
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Posted: 1/5/2015 4:15:01 PM EDT
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BROvet04, Could we get some more photos of the top carrier? Four or more good ones. Top, bottom, left and right. As you see by this thread, the details are important. If you don't know how to upload them, you can send them to me and I will. upload them. I do save information on Colt retro parts. Thank you, I and I'm sure others would appreciate it too. -W 
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Posted: 1/5/2015 4:53:54 PM EDT
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It's beautiful. -W
ETA: Priceless. |
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Posted: 1/5/2015 5:32:06 PM EDT
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How does he maintain a %100 positive rating with over 100 transactions?
I'm not trying to stir the pot here, I ask because I am genuinely curious. |
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Posted: 1/5/2015 5:48:13 PM EDT
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How does he maintain a %100 positive rating with over 100 transactions? I'm not trying to stir the pot here, I ask because I am genuinely curious. You can't go up from perfect, only down....the only way the number would change is a negative feedback. In that case it's simple math, you have 20 feedback 19 positive and 1 negative which gives you 95%. |
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Posted: 1/5/2015 5:57:24 PM EDT
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How does he maintain a %100 positive rating with over 100 transactions? I'm not trying to stir the pot here, I ask because I am genuinely curious. Because buyers don't know that they're getting the shaft? |
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Posted: 1/5/2015 6:03:26 PM EDT
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You can't go up from perfect, only down....the only way the number would change is a negative feedback. In that case it's simple math, you have 20 feedback 19 positive and 1 negative which gives you 95%. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How does he maintain a %100 positive rating with over 100 transactions? I'm not trying to stir the pot here, I ask because I am genuinely curious. You can't go up from perfect, only down....the only way the number would change is a negative feedback. In that case it's simple math, you have 20 feedback 19 positive and 1 negative which gives you 95%. Oh yeah, I totally agree with that, and I see the point in this thread too. He is way out there on his prices, or at least as far as I'm concerned anyway. But I did take some time and looked at his feedback posts, and everyone seems to be satisfied. For whatever reason, I just don't get it. And I'll leave it at that.
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Posted: 1/5/2015 6:04:55 PM EDT
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How does he maintain a %100 positive rating with over 100 transactions? I'm not trying to stir the pot here, I ask because I am genuinely curious. Because buyers don't know that they're getting the shaft? Probably so. I suppose there are a lot of businesses that rely on that simple fact to remain in business. Starbucks comes to mind. 
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Posted: 1/5/2015 6:17:06 PM EDT
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Oh yeah, I totally agree with that, and I see the point in this thread too. He is way out there on his prices, or at least as far as I'm concerned anyway. But I did take some time and looked at his feedback posts, and everyone seems to be satisfied. For whatever reason, I just don't get it. And I'll leave it at that.
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How does he maintain a %100 positive rating with over 100 transactions? I'm not trying to stir the pot here, I ask because I am genuinely curious. You can't go up from perfect, only down....the only way the number would change is a negative feedback. In that case it's simple math, you have 20 feedback 19 positive and 1 negative which gives you 95%. Oh yeah, I totally agree with that, and I see the point in this thread too. He is way out there on his prices, or at least as far as I'm concerned anyway. But I did take some time and looked at his feedback posts, and everyone seems to be satisfied. For whatever reason, I just don't get it. And I'll leave it at that.
His prices aren't the problem, sure he's way high on them but it's a free market. He can ask whatever he wants for his property. The problem is that he is representing something totally different than what he actually has in a number of ads. Whether intentionally misleading or not is up for debate but as many people that have contacted him, I'm going with he knows what he is doing. |
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