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Nice job! Mine is fluted on the little space ahead of the front sight block as well as under the handguards.
Hey, how about moving the BUIS farther forward on the rail, maybe even to the front of the upper rail instead of the back? It would give you a little better eye relief if you intend to shoot the rifle using a "cheek hold" on the buffer instead of shouldering it. |
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Can I get a concencus (?) on the best buffer system for a 7 inch build. I'm thinking of ACE's setup with a regular bolt carrier, but I have heard there are others.... any suggestions? advice?
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I'm lookin' for a nice Jewish virgin...............ian
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ACE is the best bang for the buck, and it works very well. (looks good too!)
you wont be dissapointed, as just about everyone will switch to either the Oly setup or the ACE eventually. -Jason |
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Where do we get it from, direct from ace? and it uses regular bolt carrier?
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I'm lookin' for a nice Jewish virgin...............ian
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yup, direct from ACE (riflestocks.com) should be around 50 bucks...
uses a CAR buffer. -Jason |
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Just wondering how long that buffer tube can be.............can you use the buffer tube off of a m16a1??????
that would be long enough to throw your shoulder on............. of course it being a PISTOL ....I am sure noone would do that!! |
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no issues with the length of the buffer tube...
it can be as long(A2) or as short (OA93) as you want... -Jason |
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TAG!
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Could you use a regular CAR tube along with the ACE Gusset. My only concern is the thread may not give good enough surface area for the gusset to lock down on the tube.
Then I thought, how much empty space is between the compressed buffer and spring? Could you shorten the car tube maybe a half inch so the gusset would have unthreaded portion of the tube to fasten too. This would also shorten the tube which is a good thing. Would the gun still function with an unmodified CAR buffer? I like the CAR tube over the ACE tube (which is the RRA tube for the short entry stock correct?) because it has a flat end instead of one threaded for a stock. I would also remove the holes for the car stock so it was approximately round before putting the foam around it. |
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DBAR thats a sweet pistol, When are you going to let me shot it?
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I've seen some people use the car buffer tube. I saw one that really looked good. The guy had machined off the the lower portion of the tube so it was round. He also used the same foam that ACE has. I almost couldn't tell the difference at first glance. I liked the design but they wanted to much $$. I spent about $15.00 less and got the ACE. |
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Dang it...anyone have the link to the M1S pistol buffer tube "fix" thread?
Thanks! |
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Lord, God, King, & Almighty Ruler of the Universe
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The fix is simple. Replace it with the Bushmaster buffer system or a CAR length tube and buffer like you can get from ACE. The reason is also simple. The AR-15 was designed to work with a buffer, not just a spring. The buffer keeps the lightweight bolt carrier from bouncing back and leaving the gun slightly out of battery. That causes malfunctions and headaches.
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"I just couldn't stop pulling the trigger!" -- Quote from my daughter the first time she shot a semi-automatic.
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I have a m1sales improved tube on my pistol...its basically a car length tube (modifed so a stock can't easily fit on it...not...as they said it was). But can't get the pistol (7" bbl) to cycle more than two rounds without the rounds getting hung up in the chamber. The one round is not extracted fully before the other tries to seat...thus causing a big problem. Have thought about cutting the car spring down some but not sure if that would really work.
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CbtEngr1 -
I used a CAR Buffer Tube and spring and had the same problem when I first tried my Pistol. The problem was caused because the buffer spring was a little too strong. The bolt would not always lock back after the last round was fired and wouldn't come back far enough to completely extract the empty casing before stripping a fresh round from the magazine. Fix: I took a cordless dremmel tool with a cut-off wheel to the range. I started cutting coils off the spring a half coil at a time. After I chopped a half coil off the spring I would reassemble and shoot again. After cutting two and a half coils off the recoil spring, it ran like a top. I have about 2,500 rounds through my pistol so far after cutting the spring down with absolutely Zero FTF's or FTE's. It is now completely reliable. MadDog |
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Thanks for the reply MADDOG..that is what my gunsmith suggested but its always better to hear it from someone who actually did it and got it to work rather than a guess.
BTW it runs flawlessly with blank adaptor and blanks...even bump firing...much to the neighbors chagrin. essayons |
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CbtEngr1 -
Where can I find the "blank adapter" and blanks that you just mentioned? I have some 5 in 1 blanks for my "Cowboy Guns" (Winchester '73, Henry, and Peacemakers) and would love to be able to shoot blanks from my AR's. I am doing the paperwork now to convert my AR Pistol to an SBR. It is a 7.5" with phantom FH, PRI Flip Sight/Gas Block, Troy Rear Flip Sight, Tango Down Battle Grip, Surefire Scout mounted on a 3" rail under the 4" handguard, and the new SPOT Sight with Cantilever Mount. I have more fun with this AR Shorty than I do with my 16" and 20" AR's. Once I get the Tax Stamp, I will replace the buffer tube with an Aluminum Collapsible Stock and SureFire with an ACE Vert Grip (short like the MP5 design). Once that is done you won't be able to pry it from my hands as I will probably eat, sleep, and shower with the thing. MadDog |
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my old short steel model 1 sales buffer system ran like a watch
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Howdy gents.
I know this is the AR Pistol thread, but I was wondering if any Carbon 15 fans could help me with a Carbon 15 RIFLE question. Would you have any idea where I could find the GG&G CARBON 15 Fully Integrated Rifle Enhancement F.I.R.E. System (Pics hosted by TinyPic.com) LINK TO GG&G I contacted GG&G and it's out of production. Bushmaster confirms that the rail will work with the type 21 and 97 rifles. Anyone have an idea where to find even just the rail? Thanks! Hep |
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"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here." ~Jayne
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Mad Dog,
the only thing I can tell you is that the blanks I get usually come from a gun show. They are military issue and now I see they usually cost 1.50 to 2.00 a box. I picked up a 1000 a long time ago (don't use them alot) and have picked up some boxes along the way and got another 200 that someone was getting rid of at a show for like 5.00. The blank adaptors are also military issue and will work with Birdcage FH, not sure if will work with phantom or not. I had one already but picked up a spare at the last knob creek shoot. I am sure someone online must sell them but don't know where to tell you. Cheaperthandirt may have the blanks. I live out in the country and enjoy rousting the neighbors with them after they go on a late nite loud country music lullaby tirade. The pistol sure is loud..even with blanks. |
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propaganda is to a democracy what the bludgeon is to a totalitarian state
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Has anyone tried a 9mm AR pistol?
If so, did it work? |
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squirt gun, cap gun, blow gun, sling shot, paintball gun, rocks
Why do so many people list their safe contents for all to see? |
Thinking about it.... Just need to find someone selling a 7.5 9mm barrel... -Jason |
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Thank you, DBAR MRW clued me in. Thanks |
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"When chance meets the prepared mind!"
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Lord, God, King, & Almighty Ruler of the Universe
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AR-15 pistols do have a minimum length dictated by the buffer system and barrel length. I think that 6.5" is the shortest commercial barrel out there and the Olympic Arms system has the shortest 'buffer' if you want to call it that, but it's really just a short bolt carrier and alternative spring... no buffer per se.
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"I just couldn't stop pulling the trigger!" -- Quote from my daughter the first time she shot a semi-automatic.
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tag-a-bump
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"Our scars have the power to remind us that our past is real."
ISLAMICS WANT YOU DEAD! Plan and aim accordingly. MOLON LABE .........in search of more light..... |
Yep. Yep!!!! A great deal of fun w/9mm NATO. I'll post pics soon (although it looks just like an .223 pistol just with a 32 rnd stick mag). Nevis |
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You sir, have my attention... post up! |
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squirt gun, cap gun, blow gun, sling shot, paintball gun, rocks
Why do so many people list their safe contents for all to see? |
+1 on wanting to see pictures... btw, your pictures MUST be good, I'm alllllll "Syked" up about seeing them! |
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I've been following the thread, debating on if I want to build a AR pistol.
All the talk about the .223/5.56 round losing effectiveness kept me from doing it. A 9mm however, will do just fine with a stubby barrel. Let's see and hear the details. I'm about ready to order a stripped pistol lower. |
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squirt gun, cap gun, blow gun, sling shot, paintball gun, rocks
Why do so many people list their safe contents for all to see? |
Gotta take the pics first!!! I'll get'em here soon. Nevis |
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Does anyone know any details of the Lauer Weaponry pistol?Forward recoil system/no buffer tube.
LINK O RAMA It looks BADASS,Im gonna give em a call on monday and see if they sell just the upper. ETA......forgive me if this is a dupe,I just read the last 15-20 pages,and didnt see it mentioned anywhere. |
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"Our scars have the power to remind us that our past is real."
ISLAMICS WANT YOU DEAD! Plan and aim accordingly. MOLON LABE .........in search of more light..... |
That would be the Oly Arms Upper, placed on the LCW lower...
Check out OlyArms.com for more details. -Jason |
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WOW.........$834 for the upper(retail).Guess I can live with the buffer tube
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"Our scars have the power to remind us that our past is real."
ISLAMICS WANT YOU DEAD! Plan and aim accordingly. MOLON LABE .........in search of more light..... |
Not only is the conventional upper w/buffer tube less $$. It has obvious advantages. The buffer tube that is. |
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Of course Ya know........it could come in handy if you were shooting it,and say you had an itch on your shoulder that needed scratchin,but just didnt want to break your grip and stance. AND.............you know what.........the tube really doesnt bother me in the least.The one I shot had a full length tube,and even it wasnt obtrusive at all.In fact it kinda came in handy. As I sit here starring at my stripped Mega pistol lower,I look at the tube on it.............and for some reason.............I cant figure why..........I am reminded of my mountain bike's seat post..........you know the kind with the quick detatch/adjustment-clamp on the frame? I dunno...........just more weird things I envision first thing in the morning before my first cup-o-java. UltraB (the guerrilla machinist) OUT |
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"Our scars have the power to remind us that our past is real."
ISLAMICS WANT YOU DEAD! Plan and aim accordingly. MOLON LABE .........in search of more light..... |
SWEET!!
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"Our scars have the power to remind us that our past is real."
ISLAMICS WANT YOU DEAD! Plan and aim accordingly. MOLON LABE .........in search of more light..... |
JohnnyEgo,
Goto Ace and get one of these. I'm sure you can order just this part and it will not only solve your problem, it will also give you a good sling attachment. Btw it is not threaded so you don't have to worry about that. Good luck, DBAR Post a pic when you finish your AR Pistol. (please) |
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Went to the range and tried this...after getting to 6-7 coils, I stopped. Problem was only slightly better in my opinion. oh well, time to figure something out I guess. Essayons |
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Don't think of it as `gun control', think of it as `victim disarmament'.
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Has anybody applied a suppressor to a bushmaster carbon 15 pistol yet? Did the weapon function? did it cause any damage? I will build if i have to but wouldnt mind buying a completed weapon either. It seems back pressure could be an issue and I would hate to have a $900 weapon in the mail to the manufacturer when I have a use for it?
By the way this post is freaking awesome. It gives you something to do for two days. |
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Ok, I got an idea here....
On a pistol build throw in a pneumatic recoil buffer that Oly sells http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=239623 This should reduce the recoil/muzzle flip like a muzzle brake should. Then slap on a phantom muzzle brake/FH and that takes care of the flame thrower effect and abusive noise a brake generates. Thoughts? What sort of buffer would I need for the OLY pneumatic recoil buffer? I am thinking a M4 should be able to accomadate it, while a Bushy Carbon 15 buffer may be too short. |
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Any standard carbine buffer. |
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Would a standard buffer be considered a rifle stock or something that? Does anyone have a letter on that or know if there is a ruling on that?
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I know it's a long thread, but the standard/CAR stock issue has been more than adequately addressed in this thread. Go back and look for it, you'll find it.
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Love what is true, good, and beautiful
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Lord, God, King, & Almighty Ruler of the Universe
AK, USA
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Thy lord has spokenethed. Cheapest possible pistol is to simply use a car buffer. It's long, yes, but cheap and reliable. But that's not the point of making a pistol, now, is it?
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"I just couldn't stop pulling the trigger!" -- Quote from my daughter the first time she shot a semi-automatic.
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http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=239790
For those of you worried about short barrel ballistics... |
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