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Drills are an outstanding way to gauge progress, and to see where you stand. Big points to anyone who actually trains, instead of just blasting away when they hit the range.
Nicely done, now work dry fire and see how much you shave those times down. ETA- More drills in the training section would probably get it more attention. I started a list of drills and skills that was tacked for people to add to, and it was later removed... I've got no idea why, but I wouldn't mind an IM from whoever did it so at least I can understand the reason. It would have been nice to see that section as a resource. Lastly, I need to get out and shoot Harvs drill! |
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Great post and idea as far as drills are concerned. I find that drils also keep you in shape mentally and physically. Will give Harv's drill a run once it warms up. Stickman, do you have link to you old post? thanks Molon.
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"Persistence Over Comes Resistance"
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Seems like the "Delta Drill" Hackathorn teaches at 50yds.
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Its the singer not the song. Spend your money on practice ammo. www.adcofirearms.com
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Thanks for the Credit... But alas.. I cannot take it as I did not invent this drill. I actually learned if from Greg 'Sully" Sullivan from the Defensive edge....
Anyone who knows me,knows I'm not smart enough to invent my own drill..... But it is a good drill... one of my main ones I like to do... |
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I'll give this drill a run tommorow afternoon.
If done from the 50, what is a good time? I'll try and take pictures if I can find the USB cord from my camera to the computer. It's about time to practice with the old irons anyway, this will be a fun new drill. It would be fun to try from behind cover too. Then during the speed reload you would lean back behind a covered position. |
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"Montani semper liberi" - Mountaineers are always free
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Learned that drill in the early 90s while in the Marines.
We did it from both - 25 meters / 50 meters (iron sights) -However we had to speed reload at each change of position. "of course at 50 w/ irons we just had to keep it in a specific area in torso - larger than the circle but similar in size to the next larer section" It is a pretty good drill to gauge how you react to pressure, change of position, and having to speed reload. --- Only thing - I would never use $65 mags from COLT - WOW |
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They are men who glide silently through the valley of the shadow of death - yet carry Hell, Fire, and Brimstone in their hands.
If everyone could be Recon then it wouldn't be Recon. * Where you go - We have been |
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I can't wait until C-Products releases their stainless steel 9mm AR-15 magazines so I can do the drill with a speed reload. The C-Products mags will supposedly retail for less than half the price of the Colt mags. |
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Molon,
Were you doing this at Island Lake? I didn't think they let you shoot that quickly. |
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i'm going shootin next week at a range where the owner rocks and it's never busy when i'm there so he leaves me on my own free to do just about whatever as long as it's downrange and i don't shoot myself. gonna try it but where do i get the targets?
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Come and get'm Pelosi...I'll be waiting.
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Negative. Not only do they not let you load more than 6 rounds at a time in a magazine at the Island Lake facility, they would probably have a stroke if I fired six rounds in roughly 3 seconds like one does with this drill. |
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Post removed. - Hawkeye
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I purchased the paper IDPA targets from Brownells. I believe the cardboard versions can be purchased directly from IDPA as well as other on-line dealers. The IALEFI-Q Target also has an 8" center ring and is available from on-line dealers. |
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Molon thanks for the link....gettin right on it!
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Come and get'm Pelosi...I'll be waiting.
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This seems like something I might have to try. Very informative post, thanks
Oh, and gj BA BYE! |
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God make squirrels & rabbits so Man would have moving targets
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Come and get'm Pelosi...I'll be waiting.
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God make squirrels & rabbits so Man would have moving targets
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Do you still have a list of those drills? I also think a tack in the arms and tactics forum would be a great idea. make some use of range time instead of wasting ammo |
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Tell her if she doesn't go shooting and like it, you'll go find a hot blond and bang her. It's a no-lose altimatum. <img src=/images/smilies/anim_sex.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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Guys, do me a favor.... dont quote assinine posts repeatedly, its just that much more we have to edit. Thanks.
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Protego quod vallo.
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Guys, please hit the "Report" button--right side of every post--and don't quote it to make comments. Your cooperation is appreciated by the mods--there is no point in deliberately making more work for them. |
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Looks like a good drill. I guess I need to check the other board for what you're talking about. I've got some drills that I could contrinute. |
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But Phoebus, I AM a tool.
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This really should be in the training forum so I am going to move it over there.
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Protego quod vallo.
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Does anyone remember a post that gave directions on making IDPA targets out of paper grocery bags?
I think Tony F authored the post, but I could be wrong. It was a really slick way to get free IDPA targets with very little work. It was so simple it was brillliant. |
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"Montani semper liberi" - Mountaineers are always free
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OK, here it is. I guess I should have searched for it first. Oops.
This is the link. You guys will love it. IDPA grocery bags Enjoy! |
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That's pretty slick, I haven't seen a paper bag in years though. |
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"Aimless your a fag!"-Goatboy as quoted in Field and Stream
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IDPA targets!! Best place I have found is Targetbarn.com!! You can buy paper or cardboard targets and pasting tape so you can reuse the same target
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Sounds cute!
I think I'll run it with a gong and Frangibles instead however. |
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..not so much I'm going to give it a try. |
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Originally Posted By Stickman:
I started a list of drills and skills that was tacked for people to add to, and it was later removed... I've got no idea why, but I wouldn't mind an IM from whoever did it so at least I can understand the reason. It would have been nice to see that section as a resource. Stick, there is still one of yours tacked at the top. Is there a different one thats missing? |
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Protego quod vallo.
Si vis pacem, para bellum. |
Thats the way Sully taught it to us as well. It's a mag change between each position. |
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I'd rather be out shooting right now.
/1*\ -CY6- M.O.S.S. |
It's also a good idea to practice this drill one handed and weak handed. Be sure not to cheat and use your 'dead' arm to get into the prone.
BTW, I practice this drill but the only time I've used the timer is in classes. Another "Sully" lesson we hear constantly in class is "Slow is smooth, smooth is fast". When you start getting good, or are consistent in your times if you use a timer, add a dummy round to each mag to make things interesting. CY6 bulletcatchR |
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Prepare 3 mags with 6 rounds in each mag for the drill, the way Sully teaches it. CY6 bulletcatchR |
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The El Presidente drill is pretty good too. It's not very likely a shooter could survive the scenario (in fact the person that actually experienced it in real life died in the shoot out), but it is a good way to employ several techniques into one drill.
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"Montani semper liberi" - Mountaineers are always free
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If I could add one thing to all of this, do it while moving too. |
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I'd rather be out shooting right now.
/1*\ -CY6- M.O.S.S. |
I'm totally saving all of these.
Thanks guys, this is the sort of thing I need |
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I absolutely agree with you. I don't know of any public ranges in my state that let you shoot while moving, but whenever I'm on a private outdoor range I try to work shooting on the move into my drills and I routinely practice dry fire drills with movement. |
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fixed it for you. it should never be referred to as your "weak hand." a really good shooter is almost equally good with both hands. so i don't sound like i'm trying to blow my own horn, i need plenty of work in this field. one good way to work on this is to go to the range one day and do all of your drills with your non-dominant hand. also, it would be great if there was a tacked thread that was nothing but drill sheets. i have a few i could post. |
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Protego quod vallo.
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very well then!
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For the record, the drill that the OP has labeled "Harv's Drill" is actually called ElDiablo / The Devil's Drill or simply The Eighteen Drill* as taught to Harv (and BulletcatchR, photoman, and me) by Greg "Sully" Sullivan of The Defensive Edge. 18 Yards, 3 mags (one in the gun, two spares), 6 rounds in each mag. From the buzzer: Fire six rounds standing. change magazines Fire six rounds kneeling. change magazines Fire six rounds prone. An acceptable time to complete the firing rotation is 18 seconds. If you take longer than 18 seconds or drop rounds outside the specified kill zone, you have failed. Most folks in class will start from "low ready", and I've even seen some start with a sight picture. Many will fail to make time or put all the rounds on target the first few times they try this drill. That many includes me (I prefer to start the drill from "Sul"). Throwing in type one malfunctions makes it even more interesting. I don't think I've ever seen a faster time than about 14 seconds. *El Diablo = 6 6 6 = 18 |
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I reserve the right to be my own first responder.
Having been awakened, carrying the Glock message. |
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I'd rather be out shooting right now.
/1*\ -CY6- M.O.S.S. |
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I keep telling these guys I'm not that smart and can't take credit for this...Luckily you know better... |
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