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Posted: 11/30/2007 8:40:02 PM EDT
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i'd prefer the buckmark, but more people post p22's or have questions about suppressing them. So p22.... |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 8:48:51 PM EDT
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I prefer the buckmark, have the Mk2 and a P22. I think the vast majority are likely to shoot a P22 with a can soooo....... P22
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Posted: 11/30/2007 8:57:15 PM EDT
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Yes. I agree. Most people will go with a P22 because of the ease of suppression. |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 9:46:10 PM EDT
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I know they aren't too common, and finding testing info on them is next to impossible, but there are a few of us who have one and would like to see how it fares:
YHM Wraith .22 QD or thread on |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 9:51:46 PM EDT
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Do you have anything that has a fixed bolt? Bolt action?
Would like to see some #'s that cancel out action noise, gas noise. ETA: Browning Buckmark w/ Tac Sol bbl. |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 4:11:26 AM EDT
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I have two bolt guns threaded. Bolt guns typically meter a 1-3dB quieter than the Ruger 10/22, but this is not always the case. I would do bolt guns on this test, but I have to limit my choices as this will be a very long test to conduct and produce the reviews for. |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 4:44:23 AM EDT
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Lauer Predator
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Posted: 12/1/2007 5:22:44 AM EDT
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Please include a Tactical Solutions Cascade Titanium model.
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Posted: 12/1/2007 5:29:54 AM EDT
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P-22. I love mine and I like using standard Wally World bulk with it. My 10/22 w/ Tac -Sol I run the rem subs. I'm using a YHM MITE. Did I mention the P-22
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Posted: 12/1/2007 6:44:23 AM EDT
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Mk2 Mk3 is much more popular. A CZ Kadet would be a better choice than the P22.
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Posted: 12/1/2007 7:06:39 AM EDT
[#11]
Thank you for doing this. I am looking to purchase my first suppressor and the main ones I'm looking at are on your list.
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Posted: 12/1/2007 3:19:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/1/2007 5:00:49 PM EDT
[#13]
Double Post
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Posted: 12/1/2007 5:02:43 PM EDT
[#14]
If you are in Mena and need any help, email me, as apparently our siblings work together and I am amazed the link came up between them. My Bro is an antigun Socialist but was also an Intel Officer for the DSA. Computer Geek, though he did parachute into Grenada.
I prefer the Mosquito to your choices and could bring one. I could also bring some others for comparison if we can work it out. Chuck |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 5:04:28 PM EDT
[#15]
Sounds awesome.
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Posted: 12/1/2007 5:18:59 PM EDT
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You have to get a Bowers CAC22. No longer in production, but I would consider it one of the best ever.
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Posted: 12/1/2007 5:27:30 PM EDT
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That may be possible, I am not sure. I am not sure how interested people will be in seeing results of a no longer produced silencer however? Did the CAC22 use licensed Omega baffles? |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 5:38:18 PM EDT
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I have a Tac 65 I have used on all 3
. The Ruger/Tac Sol is by far the best combo. I started out with the Mosquito, I also have a P22. It didn't take log to pick up a Tac Sol upper for my 22/45. I haven't looked back since. It dosne't care what ammo you use, it just keeps shooting. I love my Tac Sol upper ! |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 5:55:07 PM EDT
[#19]
I voted for the Browning Buckmark. In my experience, the Ruger platform is not really all that quiet.
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Posted: 12/1/2007 6:08:09 PM EDT
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I voted Ruger.
Tagged for "the largest single day testing of 22LR silencers ever conducted" . |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 6:33:45 PM EDT
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All I know is its made of stainless, and a FULL 275 round drum on a AM180 sounded like a sewing machine. I put it on my 22/45 and WOW!
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Posted: 12/1/2007 7:25:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/1/2007 8:30:47 PM EDT
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I voted the ruger....solid platform and it seems more people have these.....although the p22 would be my second choice.
Big time tag...this sounds very promising...I have a Tac 52 which is just the shorter and lighter version of the tac 65. |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 8:33:34 PM EDT
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DOn't use the Mk III...it has that open area to the right of the chamber making it very loud.
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Posted: 12/2/2007 2:27:45 AM EDT
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you should really test the rifle portion on a bolt gun , much more quiet than a 1022 ..
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Posted: 12/2/2007 8:23:44 AM EDT
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I already have a nice .22 can, but I'm looking forward to seeing the results. Your recent test of the SRT 9mm upper got me thinking about 9mm cans again.
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Posted: 12/2/2007 8:38:17 AM EDT
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I rather see them all
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Posted: 12/2/2007 8:41:43 AM EDT
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Whatever pistol you use, run two sets of tests, one normal, and one where you disable the cycling (hold the action shut).
I think you will find that you are measuring the sound from the gun more than the suppressor. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 9:43:13 AM EDT
[#29]
tagged for results--I need a .22LR can! Or a Ruger MkII integral....
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:12:37 AM EDT
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John,
I suggest using the hosts that normally are the quietest ones. In my experience it would be a P22 and a bolt rifle. Then if you have time take the quietest can and use it as a benchmark and test that with the different platforms. Granted that not every combination would follow being better or worse, but there would be a trend. I also suggest that if you use a Ruger, go with the MKII. That in fact would be an interesting experiment in itself.........test a few cans between the MKII and MKIII. Nox |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:26:36 AM EDT
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It's my opinion, but I think the P22 falls in the category with pocket guns, and doesn't represent performance most people will see on 4-5" barreled handguns which represent the lions share of products on the market including threaded 1911 conversions and Paclite uppers, as well as most threaded .22lr target pistols.
The P22 is a gun that they may use, but it's short barrel puts it into a very small niche of the overall market in my opinion. (I could be wrong.) |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:30:34 AM EDT
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P22 gets my vote... I would say that is most .22 suppressor owner's first suppressed platform and definitely one of the most popular.
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:54:41 AM EDT
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I voted Ruger with an admitted bias. I have bitchin' threaded, parkerized Mark II that hosts my TAC65. I went with the Ruger for a couple of reasons, but the biggie being that I had one.
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:02:22 PM EDT
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I have a Ruger too... I just think the P22 sucks. It looks like a toy. I don't have one so maybe I'm just an asshole haha. I guess it would compare to the RSilvers tests so people could maybe compare over there using something that was also used in his tests as a standard for comparison. I do have a Beretta 21 . . . and now that I realized how quiet it is with Aguila SSS compared to everything else ... I like it a lot more than before, but it's somehow still more "businessy" to me than the P22. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 4:39:53 AM EDT
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The RSilvers 22LR tests were not conducted in accordance with MIL-STD 1474D. His meter was set incorrectly and the numbers shown are considerably higher than they should be. His 22LR data will not be comparable to my numbers, Al Paulson's, or anyone with a meter set for MIL-STD 1474D. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 4:45:35 AM EDT
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I also would like to see you use some sort of a bolt action rifle for this....
As for the pistols, I voted for the Buckmark 
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Posted: 12/3/2007 5:14:19 AM EDT
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I voted Ruger. I don't like the P22 at all.
Mark |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 10:23:36 AM EDT
[#38]
AMEN. hahaha Leave your toys at home. The P22 seems to bridge the gap between real firearms and airsoft. 
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Posted: 12/3/2007 10:30:06 AM EDT
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VOTE FOR THE RIFLE OF YOUR CHOICE IN THIS THREAD. Thanks |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 4:10:17 AM EDT
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Hey guys, I like my P22 toy.
I got it just to be that. A toy. Just to shoot paper, steel, plywood, anything else laying around. CCI Standard Velocity gets my vote for ammo choice. |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 4:20:03 AM EDT
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So do you think Mr Silver's tests would put the tested silencers in proper order from quietest to loudest or not? And does the military use a lot of silenced 22lr anymore that they have specs on how they should be tested? |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 5:41:18 AM EDT
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The Silvers 22LR tests were not done to MIL-STD 1474D using "A" weighting. People can get very confused looking at that incorrectly conducted test and looking at numbers manufacturers, and independent testers publish. I don't know if the data he presented would actually put the silencers in proper order since I have not tested like he did and won't waste my time doing it that way. I don't know if the military uses 22LR silencers and I don't care. My work is for civilians, not the military; however the testing standard for the military indicates "A" weighting to be used. The Silvers tests are misleading in another regard. If a person just glances at test results and looks at the 223 tests, you can see what I am talking about. He did Mil-Std 1474D and then unweighted. Take the Tac 16 for example: In the Mil-Std test, he got 137.7dB. That is loud, but hearing safe. Then you see the unweighted results for the same silencer and you get 147.6dB. The average reader will probably not know the difference between the two settings on the meter, so it’s easy to see how people can be mislead. This and the fact that centerfire rifle silencers cannot be tested under a roof and over concrete (ALL the Silvers tests were conducted this way) makes his data unreliable and misleading. If you have read my “Reflection Tests” review you can see this shown. |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 5:50:24 AM EDT
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Show have you moved your testing area to follow Mil-Std or are you still testing over concrete with an overhang? |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 6:16:09 AM EDT
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If you read the results of the tests you can see that my test location is no different than testing out in the middle of a field over grass with the exception of 223 testing. You just need to read the review and you will understand. Centerfire rifle testing will be tested in an open area seperate of my pistol and 22LR range. That range will be built in a month or two. 223/308 testing will occur next year. |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 6:30:29 AM EDT
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Sorry, haven't been to your site in a while. Just out of curiosity, does the Mil-Std call for open area for pistol, even if there's no difference in results? I'm not trying to start shit, just curious. |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 6:55:02 AM EDT
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MIL STD 1474D has provisions for a lot of stuff...take this for example....
More interesting stuff....
Technically, it calls for whatever position you are going to use it in. That doesn't really help us as civilians, that’s why we need to all use the same standards and distances for testing. Ear testing, while ok according to MIL STD 1474D (Paulson uses this distance for some tests too) will vary with each weapon used and the tester, weapon length, etc... If you use 15cm from the ear closest to the sound, you will get a variance of test data. Why? If you are six feet tall and test a M4 at the ear, you will get slightly different numbers than if you test an M4 with a person that is five feet tall. Microphone placement is very important to the results of testing. These are reasons why people pick one standard and adhere to it. |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 7:34:57 AM EDT
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Well, as I read it, it shouldn't make a difference between you and Roberts test then as you both were/are utilizing a concrete floor and overhang. The only difference is that he didn't use "A" weighting. Now the loaded question (not my intention but I don't think you'll interpret it that way) since the standard is so vague, how are Roberts weighted tests invalidated? It seems to me that his "A" weighted tests are as valid as yours would be.
That all being said, shouldn't you test in a field then, since the standard dislikes testing under an overhang, despite the fact that it apparently doesn't make a difference? And shouldn't your microphone position be as close as reasonably possible to the shooter/operator's ear? Unless my interpretation of the stuff you posted is incorrect. |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 1:28:18 PM EDT
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Read this first and you will answer most of your questions. Link to Review |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 1:50:31 PM EDT
[#49]
All it did was show that, even though reflection from your tests is minimal, you are not actually testing to Mil-Std which you claim is partially the reason why Silvers' tests are invalid. It doesn't disprove your testing, just shows that Silvers' testing (with the meter weighted correctly) is just as valid as yours. If your reflection testing shows that your range with the concrete floor and the overhang do not cause any significant reflection noise, one has to assume that Silvers' tests showed no significant increase either. Again, this doesn't invalidate your test results, just shows that his old correctly weighted results are as significant as yours. |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 3:19:00 PM EDT
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my vote goes to the ruger, cant wait for the results!!!
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