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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - HP vs Solid is there any difference in 22LR?

Posted: 8/13/2015 8:20:19 AM EDT

Just like to know if anyone has done any test to see if HP 22lr expand or are more effective then the solid 22lr on small game. Thanks

Posted: 8/13/2015 3:33:44 PM EDT

[#1]

No, there is no practical difference. Hollowpoint 22LR bullets don't reliably expand. At least not with conventional 22LR ammo.
Velocitors or Stingers MIGHT be a little different, but expansion with them is still iffy.
As in most shooting, shot placement is key

Posted: 8/13/2015 6:01:01 PM EDT

[#2]

There are hollow points that open up at low speed like the CCI standard velocity hollow points. I would rather have good penetration and good shot placement than expansion in a 22.

Posted: 8/13/2015 7:23:05 PM EDT

[#3]

You might see more effectiveness with the HP due to the greater velocity rather than expansion.

Posted: 8/13/2015 8:49:48 PM EDT

[#4]

I have shot through water filled bottles with 36 grain Federal bulk HP out of my Henry H001 and got perfect mushroom expansion at 25 yards. There is of course less penetration than a solid or a HP that doesn't expand. The real advantage I see is the reduced down range hazard or maybe less mass in the event of a ricochet.

Posted: 8/16/2015 11:01:36 PM EDT

[#5]

The most effective 22 LR round on small game is Segmented HP by CCI.

I thought at one time I found a great round in the CCI Velocitor. Beautiful mushroomed hollow points through water but they shot like crap through my rifles and on target performance did not seem much different than round nose.

Not so with segmented. They are devastating.

Posted: 8/17/2015 8:32:52 AM EDT

[#6]

There is a small difference. I have shot hundreds of rabbits with 22lr. Most 22lr HP is by name only. Get into the Sub Sonic HP and you have a real HP that works. My go to is CCI Subsonic HP for rabbits now. It works well and is quiet out of my supressed 22's.

MAHA

Posted: 8/17/2015 9:18:46 AM EDT

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In my unscientific testing, ground squirrels died more reliably with the Federal blue box HP than the red box round nose.

Posted: 8/17/2015 7:20:10 PM EDT

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I question a couple of the replies here; they are so dramatically different from my experience I wonder what they're based on.

I've seen a big difference in HP vs solids in .22LR.

When I was a kid I used to hunt red squirrels and chipmunks with .22s a lot. Solids would typically leave a a little entry and exit hole. It would frequently stop them, but I'd have chipmunks crawl away after being hit with solids sometimes. Hit one with a hollow point and the difference was dramatic.

I personally use CCI Subsonic HP these days because I prefer to shoot suppressed. I've found it to be very effective.

Posted: 8/18/2015 7:52:58 PM EDT

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.........Most 22lr HP is by name only. Get into the Sub Sonic HP and you have a real HP that works....

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Can you elaborate?

Posted: 8/18/2015 8:17:52 PM EDT

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I question a couple of the replies here; they are so dramatically different from my experience I wonder what they're based on.

I've seen a big difference in HP vs solids in .22LR.

When I was a kid I used to hunt red squirrels and chipmunks with .22s a lot. Solids would typically leave a a little entry and exit hole. It would frequently stop them, but I'd have chipmunks crawl away after being hit with solids sometimes. Hit one with a hollow point and the difference was dramatic.

I personally use CCI Subsonic HP these days because I prefer to shoot suppressed. I've found it to be very effective.

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+1 to this. I've found the HPs to be more effective. The CCI Subsoinic HP that you mentioned work great as well.

Posted: 8/18/2015 8:32:03 PM EDT

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I question a couple of the replies here; they are so dramatically different from my experience I wonder what they're based on.

I've seen a big difference in HP vs solids in .22LR.

When I was a kid I used to hunt red squirrels and chipmunks with .22s a lot. Solids would typically leave a a little entry and exit hole. It would frequently stop them, but I'd have chipmunks crawl away after being hit with solids sometimes. Hit one with a hollow point and the difference was dramatic.

I personally use CCI Subsonic HP these days because I prefer to shoot suppressed. I've found it to be very effective.

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My results are the same as yours. I would nearly blow a gray squirrel in half with a shoulder shot with HP. Usually would head shoot, and they would come down headless.

Posted: 8/20/2015 2:32:56 AM EDT

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The most effective 22 LR round on small game is Segmented HP by CCI.

I thought at one time I found a great round in the CCI Velocitor. Beautiful mushroomed hollow points through water but they shot like crap through my rifles and on target performance did not seem much different than round nose.

Not so with segmented. They are devastating.

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+1.

3 types of CCI segmented that all work:
HyperVelocity, subsonic and even Quiet @ 710 fps.

The Quiet segmented will not cycle a semiauto of course but feed fine manually thru a Marlin 60 scope sighted just for them & quite accurate ... and Quiet require no ear protection and will not empty out the forest.

Posted: 8/20/2015 3:53:05 PM EDT

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Remington Yellow Jacket HP will turn a bird like a starling into dust and blow chunks out of rabbits and squirrels. I shot a cottontail with a Marlin rifle about 30 years ago and his head turned into mist. The only thing remaining beyond the shoulders was one ear and his tongue sticking out of his neck. Solid ammo only pokes holes through raccoons and pisses them off. HP is a bit tougher on the hide but the coon dies quicker.

Posted: 8/22/2015 4:28:15 PM EDT

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I question a couple of the replies here; they are so dramatically different from my experience I wonder what they're based on.

I've seen a big difference in HP vs solids in .22LR.

When I was a kid I used to hunt red squirrels and chipmunks with .22s a lot. Solids would typically leave a a little entry and exit hole. It would frequently stop them, but I'd have chipmunks crawl away after being hit with solids sometimes. Hit one with a hollow point and the difference was dramatic.

I personally use CCI Subsonic HP these days because I prefer to shoot suppressed. I've found it to be very effective.

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This posting just saved me from typing out my reply. It's exactly what I would of posted.

Today I shoot CCI Subsonic HP and every now and then, Remington Subsonic HP exclusively.
Just depends on what host I'm shooting.
HP does the job 110% It literately cuts chipmunks in half at 20-25yds. Raccoon head shots or upper neck shots are DRT after they stop doing "the chicken" at the same ranges. Nailed a Skunk last night, 21yds, head shot. DRT and no smell. Gotta love that.

Posted: 8/23/2015 5:57:41 PM EDT

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I question a couple of the replies here; they are so dramatically different from my experience I wonder what they're based on.

I've seen a big difference in HP vs solids in .22LR.

When I was a kid I used to hunt red squirrels and chipmunks with .22s a lot. Solids would typically leave a a little entry and exit hole. It would frequently stop them, but I'd have chipmunks crawl away after being hit with solids sometimes. Hit one with a hollow point and the difference was dramatic.

I personally use CCI Subsonic HP these days because I prefer to shoot suppressed. I've found it to be very effective.

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Quoted for truth. I have had the same experience with both standard velocity and high velocity HP bullets. They have been far more instantly lethal on squirrels and rabbits than solids. Solids do spare meat better, however, if you are shooting for food. I'm 65 years and have been shooting rimfire .22 since I was 10 years old.

Posted: 8/29/2015 10:29:47 PM EDT

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Yes, I was quite surprised to see the first posts saying no difference.

I hunt grouse and squirrels with .22lr. While solids will usually get the job done, I prefer to use a HP. I have noticed quite a difference in effectiveness. No particular brand, seems any will about do.

If I were packing ammo for a survival type situation, I think I would pack solids though, I feel they would have a better chance of hitting the vitals on a deer

Posted: 8/30/2015 4:23:29 PM EDT

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The most effective 22 LR round on small game is Segmented HP by CCI.

I thought at one time I found a great round in the CCI Velocitor. Beautiful mushroomed hollow points through water but they shot like crap through my rifles and on target performance did not seem much different than round nose.

Not so with segmented. They are devastating.

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The segmented HPs are devastating on squirrels, rats, starling and crows.

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