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Link Posted: 1/2/2016 6:27:03 PM EDT
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Nice to see companies innovating and making new stuff. It seems like a High Point/ Diamondback, and a Nano had a three way love child. I still love the big, heavy P series and RedHawks.

I was a nope not me on Tupperware guns 15 years ago. The G-21 and almost 2K of wold with no cleaning sold me. Was a die hard high end 1911 guy, then a Glock guy, now I am enjoying the M&P Pro series and the 9C as a BUG. Maybe the range will have one as a rental to try. The cost of the mags will be a tough pill to swallow.
Link Posted: 1/2/2016 8:52:18 PM EDT
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I thought that the M&P pistols were the "Glock Killer"

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Actually Winchester 127gr +P+ is the "Glock killer."  At least that stuff killed the old two-pin guns.


Link Posted: 1/2/2016 9:58:46 PM EDT
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Tag for updates on FTF/FTE with different ammo types. Is the trigger more like the M&P or like the Glock? The M&P trigger had the safety a little too low to where I had to slide my finger down on the trigger before pulling.
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The trigger is almost as good as the VP9, whereas the M&P is a sponge without the Apex and a Glock is a harbor freight staple gun pull and reset.
Link Posted: 1/2/2016 11:35:50 PM EDT
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You know what they say about opinions... well, mine is worth exactly what you paid for it.  :)  Glock killer it's not.


 



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Link Posted: 1/3/2016 12:08:20 AM EDT
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You know what they say about opinions... well, mine is worth exactly what you paid for it.  :)  Glock killer it's not.

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Did you smash your link onto a steel plate too?
Link Posted: 1/3/2016 1:27:56 AM EDT
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Did you smash your link onto a steel plate too?

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You know what they say about opinions... well, mine is worth exactly what you paid for it.  :)  Glock killer it's not.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxqL9L-0sN8

Did you smash your link onto a steel plate too?





 
Not yet, would it make you happy if I did? I want to make you happy.
Link Posted: 1/3/2016 8:30:06 AM EDT
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  Not yet, would it make you happy if I did? I want to make you happy.
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You know what they say about opinions... well, mine is worth exactly what you paid for it.  :)  Glock killer it's not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxqL9L-0sN8
Did you smash your link onto a steel plate too?

  Not yet, would it make you happy if I did? I want to make you happy.
Apparently so, because your link took a hit from the same AR500 plate that you "reviewed" the VP9 with.

In other words, your link is broken.
Link Posted: 1/3/2016 9:05:12 AM EDT
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Apparently so, because your link took a hit from the same AR500 plate that you "reviewed" the VP9 with.

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You know what they say about opinions... well, mine is worth exactly what you paid for it.  :)  Glock killer it's not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxqL9L-0sN8
Did you smash your link onto a steel plate too?

  Not yet, would it make you happy if I did? I want to make you happy.
Apparently so, because your link took a hit from the same AR500 plate that you "reviewed" the VP9 with.

In other words, your link is broken.


Maybe this will help:  MAC RAP
Link Posted: 1/3/2016 9:53:47 AM EDT
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Complete slide disassembly is very simple.  

The striker is removed in a manner similar to the Glock and M&P but the design is quite a bit different.  The striker itself is an assembly that doesn't appear to readily come apart and there are no spring cups or anything to deal with.  The small spring at the tip is a rebound spring that pushes the striker back inside the slide after it hits the primer.  This small spring may or may not contribute to the gun's passing some type of drop test.  Anyway, I would  have preferred a spring that was crimped slightly at one end so it was retained on the striker.  As it is now it could be more easily lost.



The extractor is held in place by a headed pin.  I had assumed this pin was some type of friction fit like on the M&P but it is not.  It is held in place by tension from the extractor spring.  Pushing in slightly on the extractor removes spring tension and aligns the groove in the pin with the hole in the extractor.  The pin can then easily be pushed out from the bottom using a small punch.  The pin's head only allows installation again through the top of the slide.  This makes removing the extractor for periodic cleaning of it and the channel it runs in very simple and I imagine it could be done in the field with a nail, bent paper clip or M-16 firing pin.



At this point the only thing remaining on the slide are the sights.  There does not appear to be any sort of plastic channel liner inside the striker channel.
Link Posted: 1/3/2016 10:31:05 AM EDT
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Great review, thanks for posting.
I wish Ruger great success with their new pistol.
Competition in a free market makes us all richer.

Link Posted: 1/3/2016 10:37:32 AM EDT
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Well done review, and even though I try to buy American-made products, I would rather pay more and buy a Walther PPQ.
Link Posted: 1/3/2016 3:17:16 PM EDT
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I'll be keeping my SR9 at this point, and I'll keep carrying my G19.  

Ruger needs to work on this one a bit and then it could be great.  I'd like to see the rear redesigned and then come out with one in a Glock 19 size.  But that's just me.

The SR9 is as comfortable as any gun I've ever shot, and I'm pretty accurate with it, too.  I'm not sure why they just didn't come out with a Pro version, with the no-trigger pull takedown feature.
Link Posted: 1/3/2016 6:39:49 PM EDT
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I'll be keeping my SR9 at this point, and I'll keep carrying my G19.  

Ruger needs to work on this one a bit and then it could be great.  I'd like to see the rear redesigned and then come out with one in a Glock 19 size.  But that's just me.

The SR9 is as comfortable as any gun I've ever shot, and I'm pretty accurate with it, too.  I'm not sure why they just didn't come out with a Pro version, with the no-trigger pull takedown feature.
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I think the SR guns have always been looked upon as something akin to the S&W Sigma.  Decent serviceable guns for the money but not "serious" defensive pistols.  But I agree that the SR's have a nice feel and a fairly slender grip.  I'm also not really bothered by the lack of grip inserts but rather the use of a flat or arched backstrap insert.

I find it odd the Military Arms Channel has said pretty much every single person who shoots the gun is whacked in the thumb.  A couple other people have shot my gun without commenting about  knuckles being dusted.  I'll take the gun to work tomorrow and see if I can get a few more guys shooting it to see if they notice anything.

I agree about the size of the Compact.  Hopefully it will be closer in size to the G19 and not the stubby-gripped M&P Compact.
Link Posted: 1/3/2016 6:41:44 PM EDT
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Complete slide disassembly is very simple.  

The striker is removed in a manner similar to the Glock and M&P but the design is quite a bit different.  The striker itself is an assembly that doesn't appear to readily come apart and there are no spring cups or anything to deal with.  The small spring at the tip is a rebound spring that pushes the striker back inside the slide after it hits the primer.  This small spring may or may not contribute to the gun's passing some type of drop test.  Anyway, I would  have preferred a spring that was crimped slightly at one end so it was retained on the striker.  As it is now it could be more easily lost.

<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tokarev/media/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151231_101929_zpssmkmsdl6.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/tokarev/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151231_101929_zpssmkmsdl6.jpg</a>

The extractor is held in place by a headed pin.  I had assumed this pin was some type of friction fit like on the M&P but it is not.  It is held in place by tension from the extractor spring.  Pushing in slightly on the extractor removes spring tension and aligns the groove in the pin with the hole in the extractor.  The pin can then easily be pushed out from the bottom using a small punch.  The pin's head only allows installation again through the top of the slide.  This makes removing the extractor for periodic cleaning of it and the channel it runs in very simple and I imagine it could be done in the field with a nail, bent paper clip or M-16 firing pin.

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At this point the only thing remaining on the slide are the sights.  There does not appear to be any sort of plastic channel liner inside the striker channel.
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Is there a passive firing pin block?

I do not see one it you picture of the slide's under side.

Nor provision for one in the RAP's firing pin.
Link Posted: 1/3/2016 6:54:50 PM EDT
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Is there a passive firing pin block?

I do not see one it you picture of the slide's under side.

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No,  not in the traditional sense.  The only parts in the slide are the striker parts and the extractor  parts.  Sear and striker block parts are all in the frame, save the striker rebound spring.
Link Posted: 1/4/2016 5:57:55 AM EDT
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Here's the American Rifleman review of the new gun with a good pictoral comparison of the specs for the 9 and 45.  Also of interest is the durability standard of more than 20,000 rounds of NATO ammo.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/12/29/tested-ruger-american-pistol/
Link Posted: 1/5/2016 5:59:13 AM EDT
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Another review.

http://www.shootingwire.com/features/230374


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Link Posted: 1/7/2016 12:57:06 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/7/2016 1:58:39 PM EDT
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nice review

I think I'll stick with my M&P's,  but I handled one at the LGS yesterday

I can see MAC's point, it felt like it could smack your hand with the back left frame corner

( I've got pretty big hands)

I thought the trigger felt good for a stock striker gun, and the reset seemed ok to me,.didnt seem way forward like in MAC's video

I'd like to shoot one
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 7:36:37 PM EDT
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Here's a video for those out there who like silly over the top torture tests.  The wintergreen chew and beer test is just nasty!



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Here's a video for those out there who like silly over the top torture tests.  The wintergreen chew and beer test is just nasty!

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About as scientific and just as over the top as MAC's VP9 video.
Link Posted: 1/8/2016 1:57:46 PM EDT
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Dave Spaulding likes it.



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Probably got paid.

 
Link Posted: 1/10/2016 11:05:59 AM EDT
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Yep I'm with you not when I can get Glock mags for $20 or Magpul copies for $15
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Extra mags are  $44.95 from shopruger.com



Took that off my next buy list.

Won't buy any pistol with mag prices like that.

Txl


Yep I'm with you not when I can get Glock mags for $20 or Magpul copies for $15


they may help their cause if they ship with 3 mags.

I get tired of chasing new gunz;
I just dig deeper with reloading & shooting what I got.
Link Posted: 1/10/2016 11:08:15 PM EDT
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The way they designed the area where the web of your hand is is retarded. Way too blocky.
Link Posted: 1/10/2016 11:18:45 PM EDT
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I agree with this -although it will probably take a little market share.  I am a Glock shooter, I'm used to Glocks and I think the trigger is decent for a striker fired gun.  

That said most striker fired polymer pistols are basically the same.What does this offer that is any way really notable over a Glock?   I really like the M&P,but since I own a gazillion Glocks mags and holsters for Glocks I'm not interested in switching to that either. I'm not knocking the other guns, just arguing they're all kind of interchangeable.  Ford vs Chevy.
Link Posted: 1/10/2016 11:26:45 PM EDT
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It's like the design boss said - " it's Friday, let's finish up early and knock off the rest of the day"


Link Posted: 1/10/2016 11:30:57 PM EDT
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Saw hickok45's post today on Facebook about doing a review soon for YouTube. The comments were and , reeked of GD group thinking with some even asking where the grip zone was.



How can people be so retarded, seeing Ruger being mentioned and instantly going with the edgy comments about an XD??

out of
Link Posted: 1/10/2016 11:32:21 PM EDT
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It's like the design boss said - " it's Friday, let's finish up early and knock off the rest of the day"


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The way they designed the area where the web of your hand is is retarded. Way too blocky.


It's like the design boss said - " it's Friday, let's finish up early and knock off the rest of the day"


I don't think he know's that this is tech yet.
Link Posted: 1/10/2016 11:42:16 PM EDT
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I'm not sure Ruger would tell you they are trying to take a bite out of Glock.  However, they'll sell LOTS of these because there are lots of Ruger fans out there and there is one advantage they have over a Glock that plays to Ruger's market, which is huge....It is running about a hundred bucks cheaper than a gen 4 Glock and 70 or so dollars cheaper than a gen 3.  That's significant.  Weight probably won't be that big of a deal.  Hell, the heavy weight of the P-series became its selling point:  "Built like a tank!"

Ruger can do nothing but gain with this gun.  I'm not selling any of my Glocks, but I didn't sell my SR9's when I bought my Glock 19, either.  I'm not running out to buy the RAP.  However, if they come out with one that is Glock 19 sized, I probably will.  We'll see.  What I like is that Ruger is venturing out into part of the market place where they've never really gone.  Ruger is one of the most interesting firearms companies out there right now.  They seem to come out with more new products than anyone.  (Right now, I'm actually drooling over the Ruger Precision Rifle. That's what I really want.)   I don't see Glock innovating or even trying to innovate, at this point.  I like their products, but they have been riding on their basic design for a LONG time, with just tweaks.  Again, I love my Glocks, and my primary carry guns are Glocks.  I'd like to see them push the envelope.  

Either way, it isn't an either/or deal, for me.  I like my Glocks and my Rugers, for different reasons.  Now, if I could get my SR9's trigger on my G19, that would be something.
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I'm not sure Ruger would tell you they are trying to take a bite out of Glock.  However, they'll sell LOTS of these because there are lots of Ruger fans out there and there is one advantage they have over a Glock that plays to Ruger's market, which is huge....It is running about a hundred bucks cheaper than a gen 4 Glock and 70 or so dollars cheaper than a gen 3.  That's significant.  Weight probably won't be that big of a deal.  Hell, the heavy weight of the P-series became its selling point:  "Built like a tank!"
Ruger can do nothing but gain with this gun.  I'm not selling any of my Glocks, but I didn't sell my SR9's when I bought my Glock 19, either.  I'm not running out to buy the RAP.  However, if they come out with one that is Glock 19 sized, I probably will.  We'll see.  What I like is that Ruger is venturing out into part of the market place where they've never really gone.  Ruger is one of the most interesting firearms companies out there right now.  They seem to come out with more new products than anyone.  (Right now, I'm actually drooling over the Ruger Precision Rifle. That's what I really want.)   I don't see Glock innovating or even trying to innovate, at this point.  I like their products, but they have been riding on their basic design for a LONG time, with just tweaks.  Again, I love my Glocks, and my primary carry guns are Glocks.  I'd like to see them push the envelope.  
Either way, it isn't an either/or deal, for me.  I like my Glocks and my Rugers, for different reasons.  Now, if I could get my SR9's trigger on my G19, that would be something.
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They were $499 this weekend at the Miami-Dade Gun Show. I can get Glocks for $398 and everyone else can get them for $498.

 







If Academy Sports has a Glock 17 for $499.99 and they also have a SR9 for $449.99.



 





Do you honestly think that the Ruger American Pistol will sell for less than the SR9?







This is going to be a flop.


 
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They were $499 this weekend at the Miami-Dade Gun Show. I can get Glocks for $398 and everyone else can get them for $498.    

If Academy Sports has a Glock 17 for $49.99 and they also have a SR9 for $449.99.
 

Do you honestly think that the Ruger American Pistol will sell for less than the SR9?


This is going to be a flop.
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I'm not sure Ruger would tell you they are trying to take a bite out of Glock.  However, they'll sell LOTS of these because there are lots of Ruger fans out there and there is one advantage they have over a Glock that plays to Ruger's market, which is huge....It is running about a hundred bucks cheaper than a gen 4 Glock and 70 or so dollars cheaper than a gen 3.  That's significant.  Weight probably won't be that big of a deal.  Hell, the heavy weight of the P-series became its selling point:  "Built like a tank!"

Ruger can do nothing but gain with this gun.  I'm not selling any of my Glocks, but I didn't sell my SR9's when I bought my Glock 19, either.  I'm not running out to buy the RAP.  However, if they come out with one that is Glock 19 sized, I probably will.  We'll see.  What I like is that Ruger is venturing out into part of the market place where they've never really gone.  Ruger is one of the most interesting firearms companies out there right now.  They seem to come out with more new products than anyone.  (Right now, I'm actually drooling over the Ruger Precision Rifle. That's what I really want.)   I don't see Glock innovating or even trying to innovate, at this point.  I like their products, but they have been riding on their basic design for a LONG time, with just tweaks.  Again, I love my Glocks, and my primary carry guns are Glocks.  I'd like to see them push the envelope.  

Either way, it isn't an either/or deal, for me.  I like my Glocks and my Rugers, for different reasons.  Now, if I could get my SR9's trigger on my G19, that would be something.
They were $499 this weekend at the Miami-Dade Gun Show. I can get Glocks for $398 and everyone else can get them for $498.    

If Academy Sports has a Glock 17 for $49.99 and they also have a SR9 for $449.99.
 

Do you honestly think that the Ruger American Pistol will sell for less than the SR9?


This is going to be a flop.


$509 @ Impact Guns
Link Posted: 1/11/2016 12:15:31 AM EDT
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LOL... they cost more than Glocks.
Link Posted: 1/11/2016 12:22:49 AM EDT
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They were $499 this weekend at the Miami-Dade Gun Show. I can get Glocks for $398 and everyone else can get them for $498.    

If Academy Sports has a Glock 17 for $49.99 and they also have a SR9 for $449.99.
 

Do you honestly think that the Ruger American Pistol will sell for less than the SR9?


This is going to be a flop.
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I'm not sure Ruger would tell you they are trying to take a bite out of Glock.  However, they'll sell LOTS of these because there are lots of Ruger fans out there and there is one advantage they have over a Glock that plays to Ruger's market, which is huge....It is running about a hundred bucks cheaper than a gen 4 Glock and 70 or so dollars cheaper than a gen 3.  That's significant.  Weight probably won't be that big of a deal.  Hell, the heavy weight of the P-series became its selling point:  "Built like a tank!"

Ruger can do nothing but gain with this gun.  I'm not selling any of my Glocks, but I didn't sell my SR9's when I bought my Glock 19, either.  I'm not running out to buy the RAP.  However, if they come out with one that is Glock 19 sized, I probably will.  We'll see.  What I like is that Ruger is venturing out into part of the market place where they've never really gone.  Ruger is one of the most interesting firearms companies out there right now.  They seem to come out with more new products than anyone.  (Right now, I'm actually drooling over the Ruger Precision Rifle. That's what I really want.)   I don't see Glock innovating or even trying to innovate, at this point.  I like their products, but they have been riding on their basic design for a LONG time, with just tweaks.  Again, I love my Glocks, and my primary carry guns are Glocks.  I'd like to see them push the envelope.  

Either way, it isn't an either/or deal, for me.  I like my Glocks and my Rugers, for different reasons.  Now, if I could get my SR9's trigger on my G19, that would be something.
They were $499 this weekend at the Miami-Dade Gun Show. I can get Glocks for $398 and everyone else can get them for $498.    

If Academy Sports has a Glock 17 for $49.99 and they also have a SR9 for $449.99.
 

Do you honestly think that the Ruger American Pistol will sell for less than the SR9?


This is going to be a flop.


Not everyone can get a blue label Glock, unless they join their club or whatever it is, but that does cost money.  Average Joe walking into the gun store won't get blue label.  The typical on-line price for a G4 Glock 17 is 539.  Several local gun stores here have the RAP for $420.  I've seen a couple at $430.  That's about the same as SR9's sitting in the same stores, although I've seen an occasional sale for $399, but that's rare.  Btw,  I never said it would sell for less than the SR9.  However, if you see SR9's for $449, then yes, but not around here.

Show me where I can get a Glock 17 or 19 for $420 without getting a blue label price.  Also, $420 is 80 bucks less than Academy's Glock 17, which sounds like it is a gen 3, at that price.  My favorite LGS sold their initial stock at $430. They said they sold right when they hit the shelves and they have people asking about them every day and have several who put money down on the next deliveries.  Doesn't sound like a flop, to me, at least initially.  Time will tell.
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Not everyone can get a blue label Glock.  The typical on-line price for a G4 Glock 17 is 539.  Several local gun stores here have the RAP for $420.  I've seen a couple at $430.  That's about the same as SR9's sitting in the same stores, although I've seen an occasional sale for $399, but that's rare.  Btw,  I never said it would sell for less than the SR9.  However, if you see SR9's for $449, then yes, but not around here.



Show me where I can get a Glock 17 or 19 for $420 without getting a blue label price.  Also, $420 is 80 bucks less than Academy's Glock 17, which sounds like it is a gen 3, at that price.

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I said that non Blue Label was $498.00 and Academy Sports has them for $499.99

 



You want Blue Label price? Join the GSSF.




You wan to know where I get my Glocks?









One of the best Glock Dealers in the country. They have great prices for both Blue Label and Non Blue Label. Call them up and ask for their prices.
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It's the Glock killer in the title that's bringing this out.
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What ?
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I said that non Blue Label was $498.00 and Academy Sports has them for $499.99  

You want Blue Label price? Join the GSSF.


You wan to know where I get my Glocks?


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One of the best Glock Dealers in the country. They have great prices for both Blue Label and Non Blue Label. Call them up and ask for their prices.
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Not everyone can get a blue label Glock.  The typical on-line price for a G4 Glock 17 is 539.  Several local gun stores here have the RAP for $420.  I've seen a couple at $430.  That's about the same as SR9's sitting in the same stores, although I've seen an occasional sale for $399, but that's rare.  Btw,  I never said it would sell for less than the SR9.  However, if you see SR9's for $449, then yes, but not around here.

Show me where I can get a Glock 17 or 19 for $420 without getting a blue label price.  Also, $420 is 80 bucks less than Academy's Glock 17, which sounds like it is a gen 3, at that price.
I said that non Blue Label was $498.00 and Academy Sports has them for $499.99  

You want Blue Label price? Join the GSSF.


You wan to know where I get my Glocks?


http://media.merchantcircle.com/30028791/Lous-entrance-outside_full.jpeg


One of the best Glock Dealers in the country. They have great prices for both Blue Label and Non Blue Label. Call them up and ask for their prices.

Those assholes never call me back.  I found a way to get myself Glocks at Bass Pro for almost Blue Label Price without a 100 mile drive.  Sadly, for Glock, all my future pistols will be Sig 320s for full/mid size.
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Those assholes never call me back.  I found a way to get myself Glocks at Bass Pro for almost Blue Label Price without a 100 mile drive.  Sadly, for Glock, all my future pistols will be Sig 320s for full/mid size.
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Not everyone can get a blue label Glock.  The typical on-line price for a G4 Glock 17 is 539.  Several local gun stores here have the RAP for $420.  I've seen a couple at $430.  That's about the same as SR9's sitting in the same stores, although I've seen an occasional sale for $399, but that's rare.  Btw,  I never said it would sell for less than the SR9.  However, if you see SR9's for $449, then yes, but not around here.



Show me where I can get a Glock 17 or 19 for $420 without getting a blue label price.  Also, $420 is 80 bucks less than Academy's Glock 17, which sounds like it is a gen 3, at that price.

I said that non Blue Label was $498.00 and Academy Sports has them for $499.99  



You want Blue Label price? Join the GSSF.





You wan to know where I get my Glocks?





http://media.merchantcircle.com/30028791/Lous-entrance-outside_full.jpeg





One of the best Glock Dealers in the country. They have great prices for both Blue Label and Non Blue Label. Call them up and ask for their prices.



Those assholes never call me back.  I found a way to get myself Glocks at Bass Pro for almost Blue Label Price without a 100 mile drive.  Sadly, for Glock, all my future pistols will be Sig 320s for full/mid size.
Do you know how busy that place gets? Of course they didn't call you back. They get swamped with folks every day. Next time just call and ask for the gun department. Simple as that. Someone will answer.

 
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Once the "newness" wears off I expect the price will stabilize in the low to mid-$400 range.  

What does the American offer that the Glock doesn't?  First off, the 9mm is designed to handle a steady diet of +P ammo.  Not a concern for the average shooter but I can see this being an important factor to many police departments around the country.  Also, the gun doesn't filet my hand like a Glock will.  

I really think the "advantage" will come from the 45ACP variant.  Although it holds fewer rounds, the grip on the American is quite a bit better than that of the Glock 21 or 21SF.  Also, the gun is slimmer/less blocky overall.  Size-wise the 45ACAP is only slightly larger than the 9mm variant.  

As I understand it, the American was originally conceived as a 45 Auto and then it was scaled down to work with the 9mm.  Hopefully this means the 40S&W version, when it is introduced, will be one of the most durable guns on the market in this caliber.
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It's like the design boss said - " it's Friday, let's finish up early and knock off the rest of the day"


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The way they designed the area where the web of your hand is is retarded. Way too blocky.


It's like the design boss said - " it's Friday, let's finish up early and knock off the rest of the day"




I think Ruger should have probably rounded off the back edges a bit and I'll be surprised if we don't see some slight cosmetic changes based on the negative press this is causing.

Have you had the chance to actually shoot one of these guns yet?  I'd be curious to hear if you get whacked.  I've let three other people shoot my pistol now and nobody has come away with a concern about a sore thumb knuckle.  
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The way they designed the area where the web of your hand is is retarded. Way too blocky.
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I think Ruger should have probably rounded off the back edges a bit and I'll be surprised if we don't see some slight cosmetic changes based on the negative press this is causing.

I hope so


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not yet

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I think Ruger should have probably rounded off the back edges a bit and I'll be surprised if we don't see some slight cosmetic changes based on the negative press this is causing.

I hope so


Have you had the chance to actually shoot one of these guns yet?  

not yet




I'd be curious about your thoughts on the gun after you have been able to shoot it. Going by your arfcom info you appear to be an active USPSA member. Just a guess but I'm fairly certain you get a high aggressive grip. Will the blocky grip tang bother you?

I have let three people shoot my gun and another half dozen or so have handled and dryfired it. Out of these, none has complained about the frame. Two have complained that the bottom of their trigger finger rubs on the inside of the trigger guard.


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I'd be curious about your thoughts on the gun after you have been able to shoot it. Going by your arfcom info you appear to be an active USPSA member. Just a guess but I'm fairly certain you get a high aggressive grip. Will the blocky grip tang bother you?

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Yeah, I've been shooting USPSA-IPSC since the early 1990's

....but my work schedule, and raising kids, has made it hard to shoot matches the past few years.

I was trained by Burkett, and Todd Jarret to hold the gun high, weakhand canted,  thumbs forward, firmly....like most IPSC shooters


I handled the Ruger after watching MAC's video, and I think it would probably smack my paw in the same spot.

I don't know anyone who's buying one, so who know when I'll get to shoot one, but if i do, I'll post a reply here.


I thought it was the most interesting Ruger 9mm I've ever seem, but the back of the grip is fucking goofy

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Got to handle one of the new Ruger Americans at the local shop yesterday (Arizona Firearms in Tempe AZ), side by side with an SR9

Big and blocky, trigger was heavier and grittier than an SR9, controls harder to reach.

All in all the SR9 was much nicer and refined.  YMMV of course.
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Wait so Ruger can do more than just copy/improve on other companies designs? I love Ruger...I hope this turns out to be a great product for them, but I hate the back end of it, just makes the whole thing look ugly...Hi-Point like.

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This POS a Glock killer?  lmaoooooooooooo

Ill go back to the Glock section now
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