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Posted: 4/3/2016 8:40:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TCBA_Joe]
Since the original thread got locked on OP request...
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_13/166746_Official_Roland_Special_Glock_19_thread___.html I thought it was an interesting discussion and I'm not sure why the OP requested a lock. While many seem to think that you just leave a Glock alone, it seems the best pistol shooters in the world have decided to put together their own custom guns. Pistol Forum discussion G&A Article There was a good thread on Primary and Secondary but you have to register to see it. 12/23/16 Update: I'm updating this thread a bit to include the term "fauxland special". The Roland special is a very specific setup: Glock 19 with frame work and slide milling, stock internals, KKM bbl and comp, Trijicon RMR, and an X300U. What about pistols following this functional theme but not actually being Roland Specials? Unlike a clone AR thread that balks at "inspired-by builds" I'm amending this thread it to include similar glocks that deviate from the specific configuration but fill the overall function: RDS and comp equipped Glocks that aren't competition oriented "open-class" rigs. G17s, ATOM/ZEV/etc slides, other optics, upgraded triggers and internals, TBRCI comps, non-KKM barrels, non-x300u lights, lonewolf/P80/CCF frames etc... do not a Roland make, but they are functional equivalents that are being termed "faux-lands". 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/12/2017 2:59:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
I had considered the Omnivore but I have a pretty strict personal "no Blackhawk" policy. As for the Ragnarok, I want retention and I've heard more than enough quality control stories to make me think he's expanding too quickly. Ive heard good things about OTG, but I'm looking for SLS or ALS if possible. Oh, and status update picture https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/108584/20170611-203327-228876.jpg Maybe something here. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:45:39 PM EDT
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Has anyone added the KKM comp and regretted it? I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to switch from my current practice ammo (Freedom Munitions 147 Reman) to something a little hotter (Speer Lawman or Winchester NATO). My main concern is keeping the springs stock and still maintaining reliability. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 8:47:54 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jimmyconway32:
http://i.imgur.com/UfHspjb.jpg Has anyone added the KKM comp and regretted it? I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to switch from my current practice ammo (Freedom Munitions 147 Reman) to something a little hotter (Speer Lawman or Winchester NATO). My main concern is keeping the springs stock and still maintaining reliability. The stock RSA needs to be replaced every 5000 rounds. I noticed that after 5000 rounds with my Gen 4 RSA, it had lost enough strength to work with comps and ammo that normally gives me problems. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 10:42:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Fiyero]
[#4]
My RMR Type 2 will be here Monday. For you guys using ATEI what's the current turn around? Is there anyone who is 2nd to Doug's quality?
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Posted: 6/17/2017 11:41:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moses_J:
My RMR Type 2 will be here Monday. For you guys using ATEI what's the current turn around? Is there anyone who is 2nd to Doug's quality? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/17/2017 2:16:01 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moses_J:
My RMR Type 2 will be here Monday. For you guys using ATEI what's the current turn around? Is there anyone who is 2nd to Doug's quality? |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 12:28:49 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moses_J:
My RMR Type 2 will be here Monday. For you guys using ATEI what's the current turn around? Is there anyone who is 2nd to Doug's quality? |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 1:23:51 AM EDT
[#8]
My fauxland in its finished configuration:
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Posted: 6/20/2017 1:52:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: weaponoutfitters]
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Posted: 6/20/2017 2:15:44 PM EDT
[#10]
Mine is getting closer.
Need a trigger, mag catch (the extended one sucks), comp, slide parts, and holster. 
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SJM
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Posted: 6/20/2017 3:07:08 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Mine is getting closer. Need a trigger, mag catch (the extended one sucks), comp, slide parts, and holster. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/108584/20170619-165234-234493.jpg  I'm willing to bet it had a whole 10 minutes of wear on it... maybe. I haven't figured out how to make it work IWB... but as an OWB when I don't really care about concealment (range, under a suit, etc... ) it's great... easily worth the half-price.
AIWB I'm currently using a Bawidamann Shenanigans without complaint and have a Nickydex on order. (I'm a holster junkie)  The Bawidamann is comfortable for me and hides my rig under a t-shirt to the point where I don't noticeably print. Couldn't really ask for more.
The TR AIWB holster and I just didn't get along.. it doesn't tuck the gun butt nearly tight enough to make it hide. If they put a Raven type claw on it, it'd be a much more useful holster to me. Bawidamann's offering is a much better piece of gear (for me). For trigger, the Overwatch TAC is really impressive to me... love the flat face and reduced length of pull. I've started replacing my Glock triggers across the board with them. It probably did as much to aid precision in fire as the RMR for me... 2nd best striker fired trigger behind the Apex flat trigger in my P320. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 3:15:49 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OiRogers:
As for the holster... the Raven OWB holster has proven great. Picked mine up off Ebay 'used' for under 1/2 price. I'm willing to bet it had a whole 10 minutes of wear on it... maybe. I haven't figured out how to make it work IWB... but as an OWB when I don't really care about concealment (range, under a suit, etc... ) it's great... easily worth the half-price.
AIWB I'm currently using a Bawidamann Shenanigans without complaint and have a Nickydex on order. (I'm a holster junkie) The Bawidamann is comfortable for me and hides my rig under a t-shirt to the point where I don't noticeably print. Couldn't really ask for more.
The TR AIWB holster and I just didn't get along.. it doesn't tuck the gun butt nearly tight enough to make it hide. If they put a Raven type claw on it, it'd be a much more useful holster to me. Bawidamann's offering is a much better piece of gear (for me). For trigger, the Overwatch TAC is really impressive to me... love the flat face and reduced length of pull. I've started replacing my Glock triggers across the board with them. It probably did as much to aid precision in fire as the RMR for me... 2nd best striker fired trigger behind the Apex flat trigger in my P320. As for a holster, I'm looking for an safariland compatible retention holster. This thing is a bear and not something that I ever plan to carry. Ideally a 6354do, but it sounds need to be modified. Otherwise, I've thought about getting a custom SLS holster made. I run this setup and like to have the QD. 
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CO, USA
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:06:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Ideally a 6354do, but it sounds need to be modified. [/url] |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:28:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Xhado:
Current 6354dos work with the Roland (mine does). Their comparability now shows up on safariland's site. |
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SJM
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Posted: 6/20/2017 10:35:57 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Mine is 17 based, so the end would need some reshaping and opening up to account for the slight length increase I've become accustomed to carrying it and find it hides very easily (mine is 19 based) AIWB. I let a friend borrow mine for a class to try the concept out and used my G29 today... the G29 was harder to carry AIWB in all honesty as it wanted to roll over the belt. Longer barrels seem to carry AIWB better for me. Odd that a 19 with a comp and uboat and rmr would conceal easier than a bare G29... but the G29 printed more noticably at the butt and didn't want to stay in place as well. I've amazed a few 'gun guy' friends with the "guess what I'm carrying today" game... no one has guess a gun as large as a Faux-land/Roland. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 10:55:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OiRogers:
17 based certainly adds to the length... but in all seriousness, if you can conceal a full size gun with a light, the RMR doesn't really make it much bulkier (if at all) and the Freya magwell (haven't tried others) doesn't really cause issues with the butt. I've become accustomed to carrying it and find it hides very easily (mine is 19 based) AIWB. I let a friend borrow mine for a class to try the concept out and used my G29 today... the G29 was harder to carry AIWB in all honesty as it wanted to roll over the belt. Longer barrels seem to carry AIWB better for me. Odd that a 19 with a comp and uboat and rmr would conceal easier than a bare G29... but the G29 printed more noticably at the butt and didn't want to stay in place as well. I've amazed a few 'gun guy' friends with the "guess what I'm carrying today" game... no one has guess a gun as large as a Faux-land/Roland. If you look closely at the gun above it should look odd. It's being built on an aluminum CCF raceframe. The thing is decently heavy and large. More akin to a 2011. I have no desire to build up a possibility temperamental aluminum framed full-size Glock for CCW. I'm looking for a full "duty" style retention holster for my Crye belt system b not an AIWB setup for carry. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 1:35:46 PM EDT
[#17]
Have we discussed the Carver Customs Glock comp?
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Posted: 6/28/2017 3:13:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheGunslinger:
Well, hit the 3k round mark and finally noticed my RMR changing brightness levels with random dry fire. Used this as an excuse to detail strip and clean. Front sight was wiggling loose same with one of the set screws on my comp. Put some small foam pieces behind the battery contact to give it more pressure on the battery and then two layers of electrical tape on the underside of the battery. Put it all together and I have not been able to replicate the brightness changing. I've had the same battery in it since February. http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu24/TheHiddenMan/Mobile%20Uploads/20170627_185845_zpszzyu2pcc.jpg I'd recommend slightly bending the contact into the shape of a hook: that works very well though I don't see any downsides to using foam on the battery contact as well, though it might not be as permanent if the foam ever loses volume. This is a customer slide with RMR that just got back from ATEI, you can see how they bent the side contact into a slight curve to ensure positive contact even during firing and operation 
Bending the side contact, with optional extra mods (adding shims, foam, gluing the battery to the sealing plate) usually does the trick! |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 3:17:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weaponoutfitters:
You got up to the 3K mark? That's pretty good! My December purchased RM06 started having issues at 1K, but a simple fix has it going strong, now on the 7K mark. I'd recommend slightly bending the contact into the shape of a hook: that works very well though I don't see any downsides to using foam on the battery contact as well, though it might not be as permanent if the foam ever loses volume. This is a customer slide with RMR that just got back from ATEI, you can see how they bent the side contact into a slight curve to ensure positive contact even during firing and operation https://instagram.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/19436374_1914659245443700_2920052881916690432_n.jpg https://instagram.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/19436425_472697866414421_6423287242306879488_n.jpg Bending the side contact, with optional extra mods (adding shims, foam, gluing the battery to the sealing plate) usually does the trick! |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:11:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheGunslinger:
Mine is from ATEi as well. Thinking back, I'm decently sure they (ATEi) must have bent my contact for me because it sure looked like your picture. I think I'll make it a habit to break down every 2-3k rounds for a deep clean and to check the status of the foam in the compartment. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:41:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weaponoutfitters:
From what folks have told me, eventually the electronics or hardware will fail (fail to keep zero) and you'll need to send it back to Trijicon for warranty repair. That generally happens at the 20,000 round mark though! Just make sure to send in your warranty cards I suppose. Note to self: dig through your RMR boxes and send in the warranty cards.
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Posted: 6/29/2017 7:35:00 PM EDT
[#23]
Why do I want one of these?
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SJM
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Posted: 6/29/2017 9:04:57 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 32DOHC:
Why do I want one of these? Flat shooting, low recoil, accurate and fast.. i absolutely love mine. |
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Posted: 6/30/2017 2:57:51 PM EDT
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True definition of a Fo-Land I guess, didn't get much right on the recipe. I think there's like two or three actual Glock parts total on this thing. Fun project though!
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Posted: 6/30/2017 3:15:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OiRogers:
If the photos make you want one, don't shoot one... you'll definitely build one then. Flat shooting, low recoil, accurate and fast.. i absolutely love mine. Wife is going to be stoked  .
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Posted: 6/30/2017 3:43:19 PM EDT
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How about one that's not even a glock? Haven't gotten to shoot it with the comp yet, tomorrow can't get here soon enough. Hope the 15# spring will let it cycle fine. Got a Bawidamann Gotham yesterday from Weapon Outfitters, it's not perfect but it works. Not decided on a red dot yet.
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Posted: 6/30/2017 3:54:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By King-in-Yellow:
How about one that's not even a glock? Haven't gotten to shoot it with the comp yet, tomorrow can't get here soon enough. Hope the 15# spring will let it cycle fine. Got a Bawidamann Gotham yesterday from Weapon Outfitters, it's not perfect but it works. Not decided on a red dot yet. https://i.imgur.com/dTAfe7L_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=high |
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Posted: 6/30/2017 4:16:24 PM EDT
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I'm a little over the 4,500 mark and I have been experiencing the dimming while dry firing...
Where does the foam go? Should be bent since I sent to ATEi but I'll find out here soon when I cracking it open. What kind of foam? What torque when reinstalling RMR? Blue loctite? When/how is everyone cleaning the comp? The marine in me cringes when I see it... even though it should be fine dirty. 
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Posted: 7/2/2017 1:14:39 PM EDT
[#30]
WeaponsOutfitters, any idea of when your next batch of KKM barrels/comps is due?
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SJM
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Posted: 7/2/2017 2:24:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By King-in-Yellow:
How about one that's not even a glock? Haven't gotten to shoot it with the comp yet, tomorrow can't get here soon enough. Hope the 15# spring will let it cycle fine. Got a Bawidamann Gotham yesterday from Weapon Outfitters, it's not perfect but it works. Not decided on a red dot yet. https://i.imgur.com/dTAfe7L_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=high
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Posted: 7/2/2017 2:28:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By assaultdog0351:
I'm a little over the 4,500 mark and I have been experiencing the dimming while dry firing... Where does the foam go? Should be bent since I sent to ATEi but I'll find out here soon when I cracking it open. What kind of foam? What torque when reinstalling RMR? Blue loctite? When/how is everyone cleaning the comp? The marine in me cringes when I see it... even though it should be fine dirty. http://i.imgur.com/GdLhoqw.jpg I'd try replacing the battery and making sure both contacts are in good shape. Trijicon recommends a limit on torque at 14ft/lbs I think... beyond that might warp the body. Blue Loctite works fine on mine... never had it shoot loose. My comp I soak in break free and use and air compressor to dry off... I use a tiny brush and clean heavy gunk out, but as long as it allows free travel of the bullet, I don't really care if the internals are dirty. |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 11:41:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OiRogers:
Comped P07 fits the Gotham?.... hrmm... I already have a holster then. |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 4:01:36 PM EDT
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This weekend I stopped by the range and did a quick test of the "return to zero" of the ATEi direct mounting/custom milling system... to see if there would be any noticable zero shift removing and reinstalling the RMR. Given that the slide milling is bespoke/custom to your RMR, I expected very little shift.
This is a target at 25 yards with 5 rounds of Federal HST 124 gr, before and after removal/remounting. It is for all intents and purposes, exactly the same mechanical zero. I was able to get my group this small by using a KKM barrel, red dot, and resting my pistol on the range bench... so my pistol's natural point of aim was basically exactly at the target. Not as good as a Ransom Rest, but close! 
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BePhreed:
WeaponsOutfitters, any idea of when your next batch of KKM barrels/comps is due? |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 6:39:12 PM EDT
[#35]
Anyone have any recommendations on where to buy G19 slide parts kits?
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Posted: 7/3/2017 7:08:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weaponoutfitters:
I have a standing backorder with em on the Stainless and Black Nitride barrel kits... will have to check to see what the current wait times are! |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 8:11:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: OiRogers]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 32DOHC:
Anyone have any recommendations on where to buy G19 slide parts kits? I pulled parts off an old 22 in the safe and sent the slide back... got new parts in it with night sights.
If not factory... you're gonna have to bite the bullet on parts pricing, perhaps Midway or Brownells. They're through the roof with the 80% thing going nuts right now. |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 8:15:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 32DOHC:
Anyone have any recommendations on where to buy G19 slide parts kits? |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 8:51:24 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OiRogers:
Factory slide handy? They'll rebuild with nightsights for like 65$. I pulled parts off an old 22 in the safe and sent the slide back... got new parts in it with night sights.
If not factory... you're gonna have to bite the bullet on parts pricing, perhaps Midway or Brownells. They're through the roof with the 80% thing going nuts right now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OiRogers:
Originally Posted By 32DOHC:
Anyone have any recommendations on where to buy G19 slide parts kits? I pulled parts off an old 22 in the safe and sent the slide back... got new parts in it with night sights.
If not factory... you're gonna have to bite the bullet on parts pricing, perhaps Midway or Brownells. They're through the roof with the 80% thing going nuts right now. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:21:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OiRogers:
If you look under the RMR there is a tab in the middle that you can bend down slightly (ATEI likely did already). Very slightly. You can shim the battery up from below with a loop of electrical tape if needed. Also, on the side of the battery there is a little wing that connects the side... you can roll the top out a touch (like ATEI likely did already), or put cut a shim out of a rubberband and put it behind the wing/bar. I'd try replacing the battery and making sure both contacts are in good shape. Trijicon recommends a limit on torque at 14ft/lbs I think... beyond that might warp the body. Blue Loctite works fine on mine... never had it shoot loose. My comp I soak in break free and use and air compressor to dry off... I use a tiny brush and clean heavy gunk out, but as long as it allows free travel of the bullet, I don't really care if the internals are dirty. Bad news though, I tried to take the RMR off just now and a screw stripped, didn't budge. Shit |
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Posted: 7/5/2017 2:43:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By assaultdog0351:
Perfect, thank you... Bad news though, I tried to take the RMR off just now and a screw stripped, didn't budge. Shit |
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Posted: 7/5/2017 3:08:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weaponoutfitters:
Damn... time to take it to a gunsmith or use an EZ-Out type deal. What caused it to strip in the first place? I love the high quality hardened screws ATEi uses, and am careful only to use high quality bits/wrenches on optics related screws. A low quality/rounded bit or wrench can fuck up a good screw |
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Posted: 7/5/2017 8:22:39 AM EDT
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I'm 90% there. I only need a barrel and comp to complete the build, but I'm on hiatus while I do some home renovation work.
What zero is being run for the RMR'd guns? I started off by initially slaving the dot to the irons, which got me close to a 25 yard zero but I had to add some elevation to get it perfect. Obviously ammo will change a lot of things but playing around with Strelok it looks like I can run a 25/50 yard zero and be -6" at 100 with 124gr +p Gold Dots. Any other insight? |
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Posted: 7/5/2017 9:21:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By keeyote:
What zero is being run for the RMR'd guns? Any other insight? I zero'd mine at 7m initally, it was great for short range... but became a shotgun pattern at range. Tried 15m and it was better, but still bad at range. 25m seems to be the sweet spot in my gun with 124gr +P Golddots and HST and Rangers. Acceptablely 'head shot' accurate at any reasonable range now. |
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Posted: 7/5/2017 3:01:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OiRogers:
Consensus seems to be 25m zero. I zero'd mine at 7m initally, it was great for short range... but became a shotgun pattern at range. Tried 15m and it was better, but still bad at range. 25m seems to be the sweet spot in my gun with 124gr +P Golddots and HST and Rangers. Acceptablely 'head shot' accurate at any reasonable range now. Many have noted that the trajectory on a 10 yard zero is better for realistic handgun distances (up to 100 yards) and is a LOT easier to establish: just about any decent shooter can group at 10 yards. Grouping at 25 yards however, require an extremely high level of skill most people don't have. No matter which zero you decide on, start at 10 yards and then fine tune it at 25 yards. As for me: I can match my guns/sights to ammo (there is usually a 2-4" shift at 25 yards depending) at 25 yards thanks to the fact my local gun range's bench allows me to rest my pistol, and get a perfect point of aim at targets downrange. At a less sophisticated range where you have to post and retrieve targets manually, I would suggest either getting a Ransom Rest ($500), or trying to create the conditions so that resting the pistol with a magazine on a stable surface points naturally at the target Here's a target showing the POI shift at 25 yards and grouping switching from KKM to Glock. With the KKM, 4/5 hits are tightly clustered or touching. Free hand? There'd be no way to see that. 
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Posted: 7/5/2017 3:02:22 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By keeyote:
I'm 90% there. I only need a barrel and comp to complete the build, but I'm on hiatus while I do some home renovation work. What zero is being run for the RMR'd guns? I started off by initially slaving the dot to the irons, which got me close to a 25 yard zero but I had to add some elevation to get it perfect. Obviously ammo will change a lot of things but playing around with Strelok it looks like I can run a 25/50 yard zero and be -6" at 100 with 124gr +p Gold Dots. Any other insight? If you're getting a KKM barrel you will notice a big POI change. |
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Posted: 7/5/2017 4:10:27 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weaponoutfitters:
Personally, I like the 25 yard zero, but much like the 25 vs. 100 yard zero, there are trade offs with trajectory and ease of establishing a zero. Many have noted that the trajectory on a 10 yard zero is better for realistic handgun distances (up to 100 yards) and is a LOT easier to establish: just about any decent shooter can group at 10 yards. Grouping at 25 yards however, require an extremely high level of skill most people don't have. No matter which zero you decide on, start at 10 yards and then fine tune it at 25 yards. As for me: I can match my guns/sights to ammo (there is usually a 2-4" shift at 25 yards depending) at 25 yards thanks to the fact my local gun range's bench allows me to rest my pistol, and get a perfect point of aim at targets downrange. At a less sophisticated range where you have to post and retrieve targets manually, I would suggest either getting a Ransom Rest ($500), or trying to create the conditions so that resting the pistol with a magazine on a stable surface points naturally at the target Here's a target showing the POI shift at 25 yards and grouping switching from KKM to Glock. With the KKM, 4/5 hits are tightly clustered or touching. Free hand? There'd be no way to see that. https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/19228774_119070218691954_763332850912067584_n.jpg It looks like what I posted earlier about the 25/50 zero was erroneous. I had the wrong height over bore, so a 25 yard zero becomes like an AR 100 yard zero, in that any other distance impact is low. 10/50 is what I should have put previously. I'll likely run the 10/50 since its really flat inside handgun distances. I have place to shoot with a bench at the in-laws, so I'll zero at 50 there. |
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Posted: 7/5/2017 6:33:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By keeyote:
Awesome! Good to know. It looks like what I posted earlier about the 25/50 zero was erroneous. I had the wrong height over bore, so a 25 yard zero becomes like an AR 100 yard zero, in that any other distance impact is low. 10/50 is what I should have put previously. I'll likely run the 10/50 since its really flat inside handgun distances. I have place to shoot with a bench at the in-laws, so I'll zero at 50 there. I just like having a 25 yard zero, much like a 100 yard zero on my rifles. I understand that its not the most popular choice and has its limitations... but I just like the idea of eyeball level accuracy at those distances. The "Roland Special" has really opened up a whole world of shooting to me. Haven't been this excited about shooting guns and going to matches in years. |
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Posted: 7/5/2017 7:00:52 PM EDT
[#49]
If anyone was wondering, custom retention holsters are unconscionably expensive when you price them out...
Itll be wrapped in black Multicam and should be here in a few weeks
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Posted: 7/6/2017 7:07:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OiRogers:
Comped P07 fits the Gotham?.... hrmm... I already have a holster then. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OiRogers:
Originally Posted By King-in-Yellow:
How about one that's not even a glock? Haven't gotten to shoot it with the comp yet, tomorrow can't get here soon enough. Hope the 15# spring will let it cycle fine. Got a Bawidamann Gotham yesterday from Weapon Outfitters, it's not perfect but it works. Not decided on a red dot yet. https://i.imgur.com/dTAfe7L_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=high |
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