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Posted: 4/19/2017 2:47:59 PM EDT
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The first time.
Panicked and convinced myself I was gonna Krylon it. Glad I got over it. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 2:53:58 PM EDT
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Honestly, I have never banged up a lower installing a roll pin, they start getting beat up when I am shooting them, I did goof one time while milling one and had to cover it up, with an upper!
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Posted: 4/19/2017 3:13:55 PM EDT
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what the fuk Is this "FEELS" Horseshite??
Pajama boy gonna be your new avatar? gonna report someone for hurtin your "Feels" in this thread? the guns a tool, tools get used, tools get marked up, a gun is made to be shot not stuck on a wall or in a safe looking all soft and cuddly, lthey should like like machines of death!!! now man up, drop this feeling horseshite and got fire those weapons, bang them around and throw em down the driveway like any manly arfcomer would do.. Chef 
 
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Posted: 4/19/2017 3:17:18 PM EDT
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what the fuk Is this "FEELS" Horseshite?? Pajama boy gonna be your new avatar? gonna report someone for hurtin your "Feels" in this thread? the guns a tool, tools get used, tools get marked up, a gun is made to be shot not stuck on a wall or in a safe looking all soft and cuddly, lthey should like like machines of death!!! now man up, drop this feeling horseshite and got fire those weapons, bang them around and throw em down the driveway like any manly arfcomer would do.. Chef
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Posted: 4/19/2017 4:41:51 PM EDT
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Yeah I have a better system for roll pins that eliminates any markings but my old lowers that I dinged up with punches make me feel bad. Some of them can't be covered with alumablack. Anyone else feel like shit when this happens? No. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 9:42:50 PM EDT
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I didnt even use any punches on the AR I just finished a couple days ago
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Posted: 4/19/2017 11:00:13 PM EDT
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There's no shame in making a mark or two on your builds. It happens. I understand what your saying. Some people have pride in their work others don't. I don't see the small marks from tools as blemishes, I see them as added character. Nothing is perfect, nothing lasts forever just try to get better at assembling them as you build more. A small punch mark is nothing I've heard some guys have broken the ears off of lowers while installing the trigger guard. Learn from your mistakes, experience is the best teacher.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 2:18:58 AM EDT
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I understand the ARRGH feeling when you do it, but at that point, it's done and unless you're building a safe queen or manufacturing one for sale, no big deal. Now that you've got the first mark on it, you won't worry about the next 20.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 2:24:05 AM EDT
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Yeah I have a better system for roll pins that eliminates any markings but my old lowers that I dinged up with punches make me feel bad. Some of them can't be covered with alumablack. Anyone else feel like shit when this happens? Nope. Guns are tools, and I personally don't care how badly mine get dinged/scratched/whatever. Granted, I do treat my guns a little nicer than my craftsman and snap on tools, but not by much 
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Posted: 4/20/2017 8:53:57 AM EDT
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Yup ,, right after I did it I covered it with a sharpie,, by the time the ink wore off there so many other minor ding and dents that it qualified as a patina-ed finish !
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Posted: 4/20/2017 9:01:48 AM EDT
[#11]
The first time. . Sharpie works well
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Posted: 4/20/2017 2:14:52 PM EDT
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Most of my lowers have a mark or 2 from installing the bolt catch roll pin. If you don't do it all the time it's really easy to slip. No big deal to me.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 4:30:28 PM EDT
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Most of my lowers have a mark or 2 from installing the bolt catch roll pin. If you don't do it all the time it's really easy to slip. No big deal to me. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:08:27 PM EDT
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My first lower was marked doing the bolt catch. Now I use roll pin starter punches. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most of my lowers have a mark or 2 from installing the bolt catch roll pin. If you don't do it all the time it's really easy to slip. No big deal to me. https://www.squirreldaddy.com/AR15-M16-Rifle-Carbine-parts-s/91.htm |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 7:02:33 PM EDT
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I just ordered some roll pin starter punches from Squirrel Daddy https://www.squirreldaddy.com/AR15-M16-Rifle-Carbine-parts-s/91.htm 
You really need a long one like they are talking about in this thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/712260_Review-of-KAK-Walt-s-Tool.html |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 7:29:24 PM EDT
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Roll Pin starter punches, and blue tape to protect the lower.
Take your time. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 7:48:03 PM EDT
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I wallowed out one of the selector holes on an 80% while drilling it after having had a couple of beers. Works fine but the one hole is egg shaped. Good times.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 9:11:26 PM EDT
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They're not long enough to help with the bolt catch pin. You'll end up using a longer punch to hit the starter punch and then it'll slip and scratch your lower
You really need a long one like they are talking about in this thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/712260_Review-of-KAK-Walt-s-Tool.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just ordered some roll pin starter punches from Squirrel Daddy https://www.squirreldaddy.com/AR15-M16-Rifle-Carbine-parts-s/91.htm
You really need a long one like they are talking about in this thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/712260_Review-of-KAK-Walt-s-Tool.html 
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Posted: 4/21/2017 12:04:45 AM EDT
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I think you guys make it out to be much harder than it is. I should post a video of a catch pin installation using a short punch and no taped up lower. The video would be 15 seconds long. |
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Posted: 4/21/2017 8:52:18 AM EDT
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They're not long enough to help with the bolt catch pin. You'll end up using a longer punch to hit the starter punch and then it'll slip and scratch your lower
You really need a long one like they are talking about in this thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/712260_Review-of-KAK-Walt-s-Tool.html |
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Posted: 4/21/2017 9:11:28 AM EDT
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I've only build two ARs but I didn't leave a scratch. Went slow and used masking tape anytime I was worried. I don't build safe queens I'm just a perfectionist. I don't mind if they get banged up when I'm shooting though.
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Posted: 4/21/2017 1:51:26 PM EDT
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I have never had that problem, but I use roll pin holder punches and roll pin starter punches.
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Posted: 4/21/2017 8:51:08 PM EDT
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Yes I have and never given it a another thought after the initial damn.
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Posted: 4/21/2017 8:54:17 PM EDT
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The only place I use a starter punch & finish with a roll pin punch is the gas tube to gas block pin. On the trigger guard I use a small arbor press and all other pins I squeeze in with padded parallel pliers or vice grips. There used to be a lot of vids on here about not using punches. I tape things right to the hole to try my best at avoiding assembly marks. It's a craftsmanship thing with me, heck I could be working on one of my old Corvett's and I for sure don't want to see marks where they shouldn't be on one of those. Plus probably the biggest reason I try hard not to get the slightest blemish is my wife would be all over me. Some LPK's contain roll pins that are silky smooth to press in. We don't mind wear and tear marks from use that's a totally different situation.
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Posted: 4/21/2017 9:38:06 PM EDT
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I don't own any safe queen ARs so I don't even give it a second thought.
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Posted: 4/22/2017 1:31:26 AM EDT
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I use vice grips to install the bolt stop and trigger guard. I don't even put tape over the jaws. I hold the lower in a vice and hold the roll pin with needle nose pliers while I get it started with the vice grips.
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Posted: 4/22/2017 1:32:33 AM EDT
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I use vice grips to install the bolt stop and trigger guard. I don't even put tape over the jaws. I hold the lower in a vice and hold the roll pin with needle nose pliers while I get it started with the vice grips.
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Posted: 4/24/2017 11:38:23 PM EDT
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I got some very minor scratches on my first and only build so far when installing the bolt catch pin. A longer punch would've probably helped as well as a work bench and vise. Kind of hard to describe visually, but I tapped it in while lying on the floor and holding the receiver on my stomach - worked fairly easily, but the few times I slipped up caused the little scratches. I proudly view them as "character" marks of my first build!
But the teeny aesthetic issue was far outweighed by the big smile on my face when I shot it for the first time. Kind of a neat feeling for a newbie like me to have his first build work like it's supposed to and shoot holes in a target 50 yards away! |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 10:44:27 PM EDT
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If you use short punches... electrical tape is your friend on your lower for the bolt catch.
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Posted: 4/27/2017 10:48:35 AM EDT
[#30]
NO.
Have a Front Push-pin that is a little tight. When I want to open it, I sacrifice a new pencil, used as a punch, with a plastic gunsmithing hammer. |
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Posted: 4/27/2017 11:09:06 AM EDT
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No , have the correct set of roll pin starter Punches.
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Posted: 4/27/2017 12:09:14 PM EDT
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nope - but i think i would get over it quickly. I'm throwing my rifle into a trashcan at matches anyways. It didn't look new for long.
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Posted: 4/27/2017 4:10:45 PM EDT
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It is a tool but I try to take care of my tools...
I used vice grips to mostly press in the bolt catch roll pin and a vice to press in the trigger guard pin. A roll pin punch is needed to center the pin once you get it into the receiver... and for the gas block roll pin which is such an irregular surface you are kind of screwed for pressing it in. Check out iraqvettern88's build video on youtube (the original two part series) it was my inspiration. |
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Posted: 4/27/2017 8:10:37 PM EDT
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i have more trouble starting the roll pin for the forward assist. at least 3 of my lowers had bare aluminum where the punch slipped. one on top, the other two on the bottom when i learned to at least hide my screw up well.
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Posted: 4/28/2017 10:52:35 AM EDT
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i have more trouble starting the roll pin for the forward assist. at least 3 of my lowers had bare aluminum where the punch slipped. one on top, the other two on the bottom when i learned to at least hide my screw up well. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 12:56:49 PM EDT
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First one that I built, I scratched really bad installing the bolt catch roll pin and I was pretty bummed. Then I looked at my other AR's and realized that shits going to happen anyways so who cares.
I don't own any safe queens (except grandads shotgun that to me is irreplaceable). |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 6:12:54 PM EDT
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i have more trouble starting the roll pin for the forward assist. at least 3 of my lowers had bare aluminum where the punch slipped. one on top, the other two on the bottom when i learned to at least hide my screw up well. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 6:17:13 PM EDT
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Another tip when installing the forward assist, or anything under spring tension, is to install the F/A with a smaller punch holding it in place from the opposite end you're installing the pin. I've seen people try to install F/A's in some really off the wall ways, like using tape to hold it in place while installing the pin, for example. A little bit of common sense goes a long way.
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Posted: 4/28/2017 7:14:04 PM EDT
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Another tip when installing the forward assist, or anything under spring tension, is to install the F/A with a smaller punch holding it in place from the opposite end you're installing the pin. I've seen people try to install F/A's in some really off the wall ways, like using tape to hold it in place while installing the pin, for example. A little bit of common sense goes a long way. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 7:31:30 PM EDT
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No punches needed for bolt catch or trigger guard pins with these Knipex Pliers. No hammers, no banging, they slide in, smooth and straight, because these close evenly.
https://www.knipex.com/fileadmin/site/knipex/scripts/mediando/images/KNIPEX/Produktfotos/web/zoom/8603180-00-1.jpg Knipex Pliers |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 9:57:49 PM EDT
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Why would you use a smaller punch that would cause the assist to be in the way of the pin? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Another tip when installing the forward assist, or anything under spring tension, is to install the F/A with a smaller punch holding it in place from the opposite end you're installing the pin. I've seen people try to install F/A's in some really off the wall ways, like using tape to hold it in place while installing the pin, for example. A little bit of common sense goes a long way. You install the forward assist into the upper and hold it in place with a punch inserted from the opposite end of the roll pin channel that you're installing the pin from. Once the forward assist is held in place with the punch, you're then free to drive the roll pin in from the opposite side. Obviously, the roll pin slowly pushes the punch out of the upper as you tap it in and also retains the forward assist at the same time. Using a small punch does not cause the forward assist to be in the way of the roll pin. You can use ANY punch that fits through the pin channel. Try it some time. I've assembled literally hundreds of receivers this way. I thought this was a simple thing, here... |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 1:02:48 AM EDT
[#42]
It's a tool just like the punch, not meant to be pretty like a menagerie.
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Posted: 4/29/2017 12:47:03 PM EDT
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No punches needed for bolt catch or trigger guard pins with these Knipex Pliers. No hammers, no banging, they slide in, smooth and straight, because these close evenly. https://www.knipex.com/fileadmin/site/knipex/scripts/mediando/images/KNIPEX/Produktfotos/web/zoom/8603180-00-1.jpg Knipex Pliers You can use a vice to push certain pins in depending on the location of the pin |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 7:23:31 AM EDT
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If you worry about marring up a lower try this little item:
KNS bolt catch pin |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 1:30:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNever seen that before. Interesting product. Not for me, but still interesting. Just better hope that little e-clip stays put.
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Posted: 5/1/2017 1:50:40 PM EDT
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I chuck all roll pins in a drill and smooth the tip with sandpaper. Then use oil and the correct tools. Brass punches are soft but do not mar as much.
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Posted: 5/1/2017 5:54:28 PM EDT
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I chuck all roll pins in a drill and smooth the tip with sandpaper. Then use oil and the correct tools. Brass punches are soft but do not mar as much. |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 7:06:29 PM EDT
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Why? I've never had a problem with starting them or marring the finish using them as is. Just wondering... |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 9:09:17 PM EDT
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If I have one that is giving me trouble, I take a needle file to the end and give a few swipes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why? I've never had a problem with starting them or marring the finish using them as is. Just wondering... 
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Posted: 5/1/2017 10:15:32 PM EDT
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I must be special since roll pins never give me any trouble. |
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