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Posted: 4/4/2014 11:48:31 PM EDT

Just saw this on the Primary Arms website...

Aimpoint T1 form factor

2 MOA

50,000 hr battery life

waterproof to 100 ft.

Auto shutoff after 8 hrs

Auto awake (motion sensor)

Lifetime warranty (limited)

Why aren't we all talking about it???

On paper, this should be "THE" range toy RDS.

Holosun HS403

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Glass looks a bit blue. I wonder how bad it is.

Posted: 4/5/2014 3:21:15 AM EDT

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Wonder if it fits t1 mounts? Specs looks good, I'll be a guinea pig order one in the morning after a visit to the bank.

Posted: 4/5/2014 9:19:33 AM EDT

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Wonder if it fits t1 mounts? Specs looks good, I'll be a guinea pig order one in the morning after a visit to the bank.

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Does not fit T-1 mounts. Comes with low and AR height lower 1/3 mount.

Some great features. Lowest profile emitter of any Micro size red dot. Auto awake on movement.

This is one of our OEM partners and the factory owner wanted to develop his own brand. We have been working with him and this is the first one on the market.

Until they get their US warranty facility up and running we will handle any CS issues.

Posted: 4/5/2014 9:53:36 AM EDT

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Tagaroo.

Very interdasting.

Posted: 4/5/2014 10:24:33 AM EDT

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Just saw this on the Primary Arms website...

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Glass looks a bit blue. I wonder how bad it is.

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Clearest glass on the market.

Posted: 4/5/2014 10:26:09 AM EDT

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Just saw this on the Primary Arms website...

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Because we just received the first shipment this week.

Posted: 4/5/2014 11:13:26 AM EDT

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The price is right, I'm interested to see some range reports before I buy

Posted: 4/5/2014 11:21:26 AM EDT

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So this sight can't be used at night?

Posted: 4/5/2014 11:22:26 AM EDT

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aside from battery life (and auto-wake), what other advantages does this have over the PA micro dots?

Posted: 4/5/2014 11:25:34 AM EDT

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Life time limited warranty, but I don't like how it says that it's for day use as well as dusk and dawn.

Posted: 4/5/2014 11:42:54 AM EDT

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I am new to this forum. I just ordered a a Holosun HS401 BAR yesterday. Shipped today. Does anyone know anything about that model? I only found out about Holosun yesterday.

Posted: 4/5/2014 11:45:10 AM EDT

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Meant to say I ordered it direct from Holosun. First saw Holosun advertised yesterday on Primary Arms.

Posted: 4/5/2014 11:49:26 AM EDT

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Here is link to Holosun site with all models and specs if anyone needs it. http://www.holosun.com/

Posted: 4/5/2014 11:51:29 AM EDT

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I love the auto-awake feature. Would still want a few things though: a killflash, as well as a quick detach mount. However, this will certainly be in my future.

Posted: 4/5/2014 12:01:31 PM EDT

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G0xlmVMMr8

now i'm torn on what to get next.

Posted: 4/5/2014 12:02:12 PM EDT

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Will call them added featured instead of advantages. 8 Hr auto shutoff.

Posted: 4/5/2014 12:03:32 PM EDT

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I am new to this forum. I just ordered a a Holosun HS401 BAR yesterday. Shipped today. Does anyone know anything about that model? I only found out about Holosun yesterday.

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All are new. Not going to find much feedback yet. They are one of our OEM factories and the quality has been great so fat.

Posted: 4/5/2014 12:05:29 PM EDT

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That's good to hear. Thanks.

Posted: 4/5/2014 2:11:59 PM EDT

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Thanks for chiming in PA!

Can you tell us a bit about battery replacement or do a short video showing off the feature set?

...Like, is the mount "locked" to the RDS? Does the mount contain the battery and wiring? Do I have to unscrew the RDS and detach it from the mount in able to get to the battery? Once I get some info, I have no problem picking a few of these up. The low height model would be perfect for an economical offset 45 degree back up on a scoped rifle. Also, every 22LR I have would get one of these while I learn to trust it.

Looking forward to new/more info...

Posted: 4/5/2014 2:21:27 PM EDT

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Again, why is it daytime/daylight only?

Posted: 4/5/2014 2:32:24 PM EDT

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Foreign copy writer. I will rewrite the description to clarify.

Posted: 4/5/2014 2:36:01 PM EDT

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Lancelot, the INFINITI HS400BAR Model I just bought said the same the about daylight, but I don't think it meant only. Perhaps trying to emphasize that the brightness level is such that it works well in daylight conditions. The model I'm getting also has a laser built onto the side which I think would certainly mean night use as well. The laser and red dot have separate elevation and windage devices of course. It ha 12 settings. 1-3 for night vision and 4-12 for daylight. It should be in by Wednesday. I can tell you more about it once I mount it and use it on my rifle. Just my opinion about the daylight issue.

Posted: 4/5/2014 2:47:56 PM EDT

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I'll be picking one up.

Posted: 4/5/2014 3:26:34 PM EDT

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Lancelot, the INFINITI HS400BAR Model I just bought said the same the about daylight, but I don't think it meant only. Perhaps trying to emphasize that the brightness level is such that it works well in daylight conditions. The model I'm getting also has a laser built onto the side which I think would certainly mean night use as well. The laser and red dot have separate elevation and windage devices of course. It ha 12 settings. 1-3 for night vision and 4-12 for daylight. It should be in by Wednesday. I can tell you more about it once I mount it and use it on my rifle. Just my opinion about the daylight issue.

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Sound like their version of our Advanced series.

LINK TO FULL SPECS

Posted: 4/5/2014 3:35:55 PM EDT

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Yes. That's it.

Posted: 4/5/2014 3:42:40 PM EDT

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Yes, I saw this too a couple of days ago when it first went on PA's website... I only saw one shot show youtube video - seems interesting. Looks like the price jumped from $160 to $170 already?
Will PA be running any specials on these sometime soon? I'll be a guinea pig. Also, what is the return policy if say, I end up not liking it and I want to send it back (in new condition, ofcourse)?

Posted: 4/5/2014 3:54:34 PM EDT

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Do you have a kill flash that I can purchase for the PACRS Model in the pic you posted above. It looks just like the model I purchased but I didn't even know a kill flash was made for it. I saw some kill flashes at the Primary Arms web site but I didn't know what model number I should order since my model number is different than the model numbers you use. Thanks.

Posted: 4/5/2014 4:51:37 PM EDT

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Looks very interesting, Only suggestions I would make are, add the option of a kill flash at a reasonable cost and I wish the mount was QD and absolute with a shim for lower 1/3rd. If all of that was included in the box Id say $200 would be a good price point. Maybe we will see a PA labeled version with those options. Id drop my Sparc for something like that.

Posted: 4/5/2014 5:05:52 PM EDT

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Do you have a kill flash that I can purchase for the PACRS Model in the pic you posted above. It looks just like the model I purchased but I didn't even know a kill flash was made for it. I saw some kill flashes at the Primary Arms web site but I didn't know what model number I should order since my model number is different than the model numbers you use. Thanks.

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Ours has a killflash available. I don't think there is a is one for the one you ordered but will check. Please shoot me a email and I will follow up

Posted: 4/5/2014 5:47:43 PM EDT

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Does this lose zero when changing the battery?

It's good to see the Chinese put some effort into low output LED's. They smoked the rest of the world in the high power LED market, so this is good news to me. I'll be really excited once this new emitter makes it into a variable.

Posted: 4/5/2014 5:53:35 PM EDT

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Does this lose zero when changing the battery?

It's good to see the Chinese put some effort into low output LED's. They smoked the rest of the world in the high power LED market, so this is good news to me. I'll be really excited once this new emitter makes it into a variable.

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It does not effect the internals of the red dot but you do have to take the mount off. It could shift slightly

Posted: 4/5/2014 6:57:30 PM EDT

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It does not effect the internals of the red dot but you do have to take the mount off. It could shift slightly

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Does this lose zero when changing the battery?

It's good to see the Chinese put some effort into low output LED's. They smoked the rest of the world in the high power LED market, so this is good news to me. I'll be really excited once this new emitter makes it into a variable.

It does not effect the internals of the red dot but you do have to take the mount off. It could shift slightly

If it really is 50,000 hours of battery life, I don't think changing the batteries once every 5 years and having to re-zero the sight slightly is that big of a deal...

Posted: 4/5/2014 7:46:32 PM EDT

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i'll be back stateside in about a month. i'll wait to see the MD-05L and red dot AA i bought before i decide on my next red dot.

if i like the MD-06 (versus the larger 'reflex sight' sight picture), i'll be buying this as well.

though i must admit, the decision would have been easier if:
-it was PA instead of holosun
-it was QD

at the speed PA is churning out new-great models, i'll have ALL PA by the end of the year.

Posted: 4/5/2014 11:46:31 PM EDT

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If it really is 50,000 hours of battery life, I don't think changing the batteries once every 5 years and having to re-zero the sight slightly is that big of a deal...

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Does this lose zero when changing the battery?

It's good to see the Chinese put some effort into low output LED's. They smoked the rest of the world in the high power LED market, so this is good news to me. I'll be really excited once this new emitter makes it into a variable.

It does not effect the internals of the red dot but you do have to take the mount off. It could shift slightly

If it really is 50,000 hours of battery life, I don't think changing the batteries once every 5 years and having to re-zero the sight slightly is that big of a deal...

Exactly :)

Good excuse to take it all off and check it out anyway.....I'd change the battery out at least once a year.

Posted: 4/6/2014 12:39:13 AM EDT

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It does not effect the internals of the red dot but you do have to take the mount off. It could shift slightly

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Does this lose zero when changing the battery?

It's good to see the Chinese put some effort into low output LED's. They smoked the rest of the world in the high power LED market, so this is good news to me. I'll be really excited once this new emitter makes it into a variable.

It does not effect the internals of the red dot but you do have to take the mount off. It could shift slightly

I was very interested until I read this. I'll wait for a future (hopefully Primary Arms) version that has it batter replaceable without removing the optic from the rail.

Posted: 4/6/2014 2:58:01 AM EDT

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I was very interested until I read this. I'll wait for a future (hopefully Primary Arms) version that has it batter replaceable without removing the optic from the rail.

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Does this lose zero when changing the battery?

It's good to see the Chinese put some effort into low output LED's. They smoked the rest of the world in the high power LED market, so this is good news to me. I'll be really excited once this new emitter makes it into a variable.

It does not effect the internals of the red dot but you do have to take the mount off. It could shift slightly

I was very interested until I read this. I'll wait for a future (hopefully Primary Arms) version that has it batter replaceable without removing the optic from the rail.

Is it really that big of a deal with that long of a battery life? You could just change out the battery once a yea (which is what I do with my PRO) and not have to worry about it.

Posted: 4/6/2014 9:50:07 AM EDT

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I was very interested until I read this. I'll wait for a future (hopefully Primary Arms) version that has it batter replaceable without removing the optic from the rail.

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With 50,000 hr battery life and motion detection/auto shutoff, the battery will hit its 10yr shelf life first. Think about it, if you move the rifle every day to activate it (highly unlikely), 8hrs/day is only 2,920hrs/year. Pick it up 2x per day, 8 hrs apart, 5,840 hrs/year. It is almost battery-free for practical purposes.

Posted: 4/6/2014 10:15:00 AM EDT

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One of the most prolific optics in military service is the C-more. You have to remove it to replace the battery, and the mount is not return to zero. The .mil guys seem to like it just fine.

While it is not my favorite configuration, if you only have to change it out once every ten years, it probably won't be an issue. And I'm sure there are good reasons why the designer did it this way.

I have no idea how soon, but I would like to try one of these.

Thanks for clearing up the daytime thing.

Posted: 4/6/2014 11:47:07 AM EDT

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Is it really that big of a deal with that long of a battery life? You could just change out the battery once a yea (which is what I do with my PRO) and not have to worry about it.

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Does this lose zero when changing the battery?

It's good to see the Chinese put some effort into low output LED's. They smoked the rest of the world in the high power LED market, so this is good news to me. I'll be really excited once this new emitter makes it into a variable.

It does not effect the internals of the red dot but you do have to take the mount off. It could shift slightly

I was very interested until I read this. I'll wait for a future (hopefully Primary Arms) version that has it batter replaceable without removing the optic from the rail.

Is it really that big of a deal with that long of a battery life? You could just change out the battery once a yea (which is what I do with my PRO) and not have to worry about it.

Also, I heard Holosun is coming out with a solar panel version of the HS403 called the HS403C that runs solely off ambient light and only uses the battery when there isn't enough light.

There are plenty of Chicom crappy red dot clones out there, if Holosun is good enough for PA to carry and warranty, that means they have already checked them out and deemed they are worthy enough. That is good enough for me to try them out.

Posted: 4/6/2014 1:57:09 PM EDT

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50,000 hour battery life?

For $170?

Thats a game changer.

Make 'em in an absolute co-witness height with an integrated QD mount and I'm in for one.... Or three.... At least.

Good stuff!

Posted: 4/6/2014 2:06:35 PM EDT

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Yes, I saw this too a couple of days ago when it first went on PA's website... I only saw one shot show youtube video - seems interesting. Looks like the price jumped from $160 to $170 already?
Will PA be running any specials on these sometime soon? I'll be a guinea pig. Also, what is the return policy if say, I end up not liking it and I want to send it back (in new condition, ofcourse)?

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If you don't like it we will take it back.

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Posted: 4/6/2014 2:22:24 PM EDT

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Yes, I saw this too a couple of days ago when it first went on PA's website... I only saw one shot show youtube video - seems interesting. Looks like the price jumped from $160 to $170 already?
Will PA be running any specials on these sometime soon? I'll be a guinea pig. Also, what is the return policy if say, I end up not liking it and I want to send it back (in new condition, ofcourse)?

If you don't like it we will take it back.

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Marsh & Primary Arms are as honest as the day is long....in my experience if he says it's so it is so.....one of the premier dealers in this business....imo & experience.

Posted: 4/6/2014 2:40:14 PM EDT

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Marsh & Primary Arms are as honest as the day is long....in my experience if he says it's so it is so.....one of the premier dealers in this business....imo & experience.

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Yes, I saw this too a couple of days ago when it first went on PA's website... I only saw one shot show youtube video - seems interesting. Looks like the price jumped from $160 to $170 already?

Will PA be running any specials on these sometime soon? I'll be a guinea pig. Also, what is the return policy if say, I end up not liking it and I want to send it back (in new condition, ofcourse)?

If you don't like it we will take it back.

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Marsh & Primary Arms are as honest as the day is long....in my experience if he says it's so it is so.....one of the premier dealers in this business....imo & experience.

Im generally a very cautious person and would not be buying chinese optics were it not for PA/Marsh,I have absolutely no problem trying a new product from them..

Kudos

Posted: 4/6/2014 4:38:34 PM EDT

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Clearest glass on the market.

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Just saw this on the Primary Arms website...

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Glass looks a bit blue. I wonder how bad it is.

Clearest glass on the market.

What level of sarcasm, 1-10, is intended there?

How does it compare to the MD06 which I find similar to looking though sunglasses.

Posted: 4/6/2014 6:18:52 PM EDT

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What level of sarcasm, 1-10, is intended there?

How does it compare to the MD06 which I find similar to looking though sunglasses.

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Just saw this on the Primary Arms website...

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Glass looks a bit blue. I wonder how bad it is.

Clearest glass on the market.

What level of sarcasm, 1-10, is intended there?

How does it compare to the MD06 which I find similar to looking though sunglasses.

No sarcasm. The coating shows less visible tint

Posted: 4/7/2014 2:28:34 AM EDT

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Marsh, weren't you guys coming out with a t1 clone that had the same dimensions as the t1? Someone had mentioned with this new one you wouldn't have to use a different size mount to achieve 1/3 co witness, just use a standard t1 mount.