What can you tell me about the rifle from a photo?
Posted: 5/2/2016 5:40:17 PM EDT
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Looks like a cut down M16A1 with annXM177E2 moderator w/grenade ring.
Full curve 30rd mag too.
Cool pic!
Posted: 5/2/2016 5:48:33 PM EDT
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Looks like a cut down M16A1 with annXM177E2 moderator w/grenade ring.
Full curve 30rd mag too.
Cool pic!
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I think the upper is a xm177e2 with a cleaning kit pouch taped around the handguard. Maybe he swapped lowers with someone else to get the stock lol.
Posted: 5/2/2016 5:49:15 PM EDT
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Handguard probably from XM177, but grip? I think that isn't grip from M16A1. :)
Posted: 5/2/2016 5:53:39 PM EDT
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Cant help ya but neat picture! I like the sling setup he has!
Posted: 5/2/2016 5:54:53 PM EDT
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Handguard probably from XM177, but grip? I think that isn't grip from M16A1. :)
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The area straight behind the trigger looks like a regular a1 grip, it is just wrapped in something. Maybe green or colored tape or a bicycle inner tube. He may have put something under the tape/tube or whatever it is wrapped in to give it a thicker palm area.
Posted: 5/2/2016 6:08:20 PM EDT
[#6]
Mike,
Do you happen to know the date or year the photo was taken? Just curious.
Posted: 5/2/2016 6:21:21 PM EDT
[#7]
If it isn't an improvised grip maybe he ordered some kind of aftermarket slip over rubber grip sleeve.
Posted: 5/2/2016 6:29:04 PM EDT
[#8]
Ok I see now, it does look like a carbine upper.
Grip is just an A1 grip wrapped in cloth or tape.
Posted: 5/2/2016 7:54:41 PM EDT
[#9]
Not an uncommon modification, XM-upper on a rifle lower. I've done done the same thing with my FA lower, and it's a great combo.
Posted: 5/2/2016 8:20:40 PM EDT
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Not an uncommon modification, XM-upper on a rifle lower. I've done done the same thing with my FA lower, and it's a great combo.
Does you buffer and spring system sound awful lol? Sprongggggg
Posted: 5/2/2016 9:50:31 PM EDT
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If I remember correctly it's in the Mekong very late 66 or early 67, I forget the name of the operation, I have it somewhere. XM177E1 with full curve mag, with full stock.
Posted: 5/2/2016 9:59:09 PM EDT
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Grip looks like an A1 grip wrapped in leather or rubber with P cord around it and a leather or rubber
piece on the bottom held on with p cord, maybe to store something in the grip? extra bolt or something?
Posted: 5/2/2016 10:00:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: Not an uncommon modification, XM-upper on a rifle lower. I've done done the same thing with my FA lower, and it's a great combo.
Does you buffer and spring system sound awful lol? Sprongggggg
????? Not sure what "awful" sound the buffer and spring makes. Guns are noisy, and my hearing is not what it was anyway.
BTW, if there's any confusion, that second photo of a full-stocked shorty is archival VN not of me.
With a rifle buffer and spring on a carbine system it just has a really strong spring sound like a pogo stick lol, at least in my opinion.
Hmmm. I never noticed on this gun. The muzzle blast is most noticeable to me. I never shoot it on semi.
Posted: 5/7/2016 2:59:50 PM EDT
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Thank you for your help! :)
Posted: 5/10/2016 9:24:39 AM EDT
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Photos of this combo come up from time to time. Here is one I found on the internet years ago.
I heard that the short barreled E1 had problems with erratic rates of fire. Maybe this was cured by using the full stock lower with longer/heavier buffer?
If you look at the mag pouch is that not a early style commonly used by the cia?
Looks like a BAR belt, commonly worn by SF at the time.
Posted: 5/14/2016 4:47:36 PM EDT
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As for the grip, I have seen some grips in the arms room where they wrapped rubber "friction tape" around the grips to make them larger and easier to hold onto when wet or sweaty. A guy I worked with in the 90s was a SEAL in Vietnam in the earlier days. He used a BAR belt. He said it held lots of "mags and frags!".