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Posted: 1/19/2015 10:46:11 PM EDT
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"...if intended to be shouldered..."
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Posted: 1/19/2015 10:48:04 PM EDT
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also says,at least how I read it
shoulder just the buffer tube and its also a sbr However,if a pistol assembled with an AR-type buffer tube or similar component; which in tum, redesigns the subject AR-type pistol to be desigred or redesigned and consequently intended to be fired from the shoulder; an NFA weapon as defined in 26
U.S.C. $58a5(a)(3);has been made. yeah whatever now they just have no idea what they are saying Im sorry but they can not tell me how to shoot a ar pistol, even with just a buffer tube on it |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 10:51:06 PM EDT
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Requesting Mods to pin this letter up as it has far reaching impact to all in this forum.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 10:55:08 PM EDT
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Who the F even writes a letter about that asking?!
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Posted: 1/19/2015 10:55:58 PM EDT
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Requesting Mods to pin this letter up as it has far reaching impact to all in this forum. This has already been posted and discussed. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 10:57:35 PM EDT
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Pretty much they're saying that if you intentionally bring anything up to shoulder the AR pistol, whether it's a bare tube or some other device, you have an SBR.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 10:57:54 PM EDT
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Really? Because it's not pinned up top. I had to research.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 10:59:01 PM EDT
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ill do what I want, thanks .dicks
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Posted: 1/19/2015 10:59:25 PM EDT
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Who the F even writes a letter about that asking?! that was the thordson saddle adapter thats sold with the caa saddle on it I actually bought the thordson saddle adapter and they had listed the approval letter on there site saying its cool to use but I never really read the letter, assumed it was like the old sig brace letter but now I may go see what it really said basically if you use it to cheek rest its fine unlike the sig brace that was mainly to brace your wrist so the thordson may be better as it can already be against your cheek 1 inch away from shoulder and im sure if you snuck it closer no one would know unless they get out a measuring device when your shooting how can they say its touching your shoulder |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:00:39 PM EDT
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Pretty much they're saying that if you intentionally bring anything up to shoulder the AR pistol, whether it's a bare tube or some other device, you have an SBR. was this mentioned in any other letters to any other people,. the thing about the buffer tube? never saw it before mentioned |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:04:50 PM EDT
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This "designed or redesigned" stuff is a slippery slope made of horse shit.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:05:43 PM EDT
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If all these tool factories wrote congress as much as the BATFE, I could have a Sherman Tank instead of a Ford Explorer. :-)
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:06:16 PM EDT
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We should just overwhelm them with letters asking about shouldering various things attached to the buffer tube:
And then after we get replies, send back another letter for clarification on each of them, asking what happens if we shoulder them but didn't intend to do it. Edited to remove profanity, though this was GD when I clicked on it. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:19:04 PM EDT
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We should just overwhelm those cocksuckers with letters asking about shouldering various things attached to the buffer tube:
i totally lost it when i got to "a tub of cool whip".... 
thanks! needed a good laugh tonight! |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:44:02 PM EDT
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Somebody needs to write the ATF about attaching a tennis ball to a buffer tube.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:45:44 PM EDT
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I want to see the reply to the inquiry about the legality of the use of the "tactical Fleshlight Module"...
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:46:50 PM EDT
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Nobody needs to write more letters. Isn't that what got things to this point already?
If the makers want to got to court, they can try to get a judgment of declarative relief. It's the lawful way to take the ATF on with a judge to prove their actions are arbitrary and capricious. It's used as parts of the checks and balances with any regulating government agency. Which is what the grown ups are likely going to do as it hurts their business they based on decisions already given. Getting all tweaked about it and whining isn't doing any good. Ask Thordsen, SB Tactical, SIG, and half dozen other companies who are introducing new guns and braces at SHOT right now this week at the show. You think they are just going to roll over and walk away? They have money on the line and they're likely getting together - RIGHT NOW - in meetings. What may have been a preemptive strike by the ATF to slow down brace sales and get more stamp applications is quite possibly going to backfire. There's a lot of posts about how they need to be taken to court - and it actually is that easy. It's been done before. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/01/foghorn/next-step-atf-pistol-arm-brace-decision-declaratory-relief/ |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 11:47:18 PM EDT
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I want to see the reply to the inquiry about the legality of the use of the "tactical Fleshlight Module"... Putting a flesh light on a buffer tube is a 10 year felony mang. 
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Posted: 1/20/2015 1:52:31 AM EDT
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We need to ban typewriters and word processing software!
Dear God please stop moes from writing letters to ATF! |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 2:27:42 AM EDT
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I don't think it was the letters, but the explosion in popularity of AR pistols due to these devices in combination with their flagrant "misuse."
The earlier rulings and opinions at least made sense. This appears to be a pure intimidation tactic. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 5:42:39 AM EDT
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However, if a pistol assembled with an AR-type buffer tube or similar component; which in turn, redesigns the subject AR-type pistol to be designed or redesigned and consequently intended to be fired from the shoulder; an NFA weapon as defined in 26 U.S.C. $58a5(a)(3);has been made. Redesigns to be designed or redesigned? I'll give them  / for that one.I agree with the poster above. This is loaded with scare tactic BS, and no one will want to be the test case that sorts all this nonsense out. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 6:18:02 AM EDT
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I want to see the reply to the inquiry about the legality of the use of the "tactical Fleshlight Module"... Have patience. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 6:41:51 AM EDT
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BATFE >>>
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Posted: 1/20/2015 7:16:10 AM EDT
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fucking ATF
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Posted: 1/20/2015 8:11:50 AM EDT
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This letter writing campaign is the same as the Open Carry Tards.
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Posted: 1/20/2015 9:32:11 AM EDT
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Sometimes I hate being on this side.
Great job, now they've covered the shit I have on my pistol, along with everything else, or nothing at all; to include the buffer tube itself. Thanks. I don't even blame the BATF&E? anymore. There's still a little bit of light in this room, and it's they keep using the word "intent." Can't wait to log on tomorrow to see that 'intent' is no longer required to make this stuff NFA-ifying. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 10:35:59 AM EDT
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Ive decided to just go the SBR route to put all this shit to rest. I personally welcome a stock and vertical grip.
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Posted: 1/20/2015 11:25:48 AM EDT
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We should just overwhelm them with letters asking about shouldering various things attached to the buffer tube:
Edited to remove profanity, though this was GD when I clicked on it. I'm wondering if the letter with the fleshlight pics is what prompted the ATFs open letter about the sig brace. The thing with poking the bear is that sometines you get mauled. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 1:37:05 PM EDT
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We should just overwhelm them with letters asking about shouldering various things attached to the buffer tube:
Edited to remove profanity, though this was GD when I clicked on it. IDEA I am going to put a FLESH LIGHT on the end of my buffer tube with the intent of pleasing myself and send that in for clarification! |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 1:38:49 PM EDT
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IDEA I am going to put a FLESH LIGHT on the end of my buffer tube with the intent of pleasing myself and send that in for clarification! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We should just overwhelm them with letters asking about shouldering various things attached to the buffer tube:
Edited to remove profanity, though this was GD when I clicked on it. IDEA I am going to put a FLESH LIGHT on the end of my buffer tube with the intent of pleasing myself and send that in for clarification! You're a few weeks late on that. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 1:44:00 PM EDT
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That man is a true American Patriot
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Posted: 1/20/2015 2:00:17 PM EDT
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i totally lost it when i got to "a tub of cool whip"....
thanks! needed a good laugh tonight! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We should just overwhelm those cocksuckers with letters asking about shouldering various things attached to the buffer tube:
i totally lost it when i got to "a tub of cool whip"....
thanks! needed a good laugh tonight! I think some dude did this with a fleshlight, |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 5:53:50 PM EDT
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We should just overwhelm them with letters asking about shouldering various things attached to the buffer tube:
Edited to remove profanity, though this was GD when I clicked on it. IDEA I am going to put a FLESH LIGHT on the end of my buffer tube with the intent of pleasing myself and send that in for clarification! You're a few weeks late on that. http://www.reno4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=66b41b0c46a396ec37eb717e240b7ce4&attachmentid=53119&d=1420739911 http://www.reno4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=66b41b0c46a396ec37eb717e240b7ce4&attachmentid=53120&d=1420739922 That's almost enough to turn me into a gun-banner... |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 1:06:18 AM EDT
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We should just overwhelm them with letters asking about shouldering various things attached to the buffer tube:
Edited to remove profanity, though this was GD when I clicked on it. Umm, they already ruled "a void of air is the machine gun" so, I guess shouldering a pistol makes it a SBR and leaving a void of air makes it is MG 
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Posted: 1/25/2015 1:09:39 AM EDT
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This letter writing campaign is the same as the Open Carry Tards. yeah, we shoudl keep slinking in the shadows, having to cover up what our forefathers won for us so we dont' make a libtard uncomfortable. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 1:12:15 AM EDT
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That man is a true American Patriot |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 1:12:53 AM EDT
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That's almost enough to turn me into a gun-banner... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We should just overwhelm them with letters asking about shouldering various things attached to the buffer tube:
Edited to remove profanity, though this was GD when I clicked on it. IDEA I am going to put a FLESH LIGHT on the end of my buffer tube with the intent of pleasing myself and send that in for clarification! You're a few weeks late on that. http://www.reno4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=66b41b0c46a396ec37eb717e240b7ce4&attachmentid=53119&d=1420739911 http://www.reno4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=66b41b0c46a396ec37eb717e240b7ce4&attachmentid=53120&d=1420739922 That's almost enough to turn me into a gun-banner... another new DU troll account? WTF |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 9:45:17 AM EDT
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In some ways that sounds good, but if you travel a lot to different states, it is a pain in the butt. Having to submitt paperwork get approval from the BATFE.
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Sometimes I hate being on this side. Great job, now they've covered the shit I have on my pistol, along with everything else, or nothing at all; to include the buffer tube itself. Thanks. I don't even blame the BATF&E? anymore. There's still a little bit of light in this room, and it's they keep using the word "intent." Can't wait to log on tomorrow to see that 'intent' is no longer required to make this stuff NFA-ifying. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:02:29 AM EDT
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that was the thordson saddle adapter thats sold with the caa saddle on it I actually bought the thordson saddle adapter and they had listed the approval letter on there site saying its cool to use but I never really read the letter, assumed it was like the old sig brace letter but now I may go see what it really said basically if you use it to cheek rest its fine unlike the sig brace that was mainly to brace your wrist so the thordson may be better as it can already be against your cheek 1 inch away from shoulder and im sure if you snuck it closer no one would know unless they get out a measuring device when your shooting how can they say its touching your shoulder Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who the F even writes a letter about that asking?! that was the thordson saddle adapter thats sold with the caa saddle on it I actually bought the thordson saddle adapter and they had listed the approval letter on there site saying its cool to use but I never really read the letter, assumed it was like the old sig brace letter but now I may go see what it really said basically if you use it to cheek rest its fine unlike the sig brace that was mainly to brace your wrist so the thordson may be better as it can already be against your cheek 1 inch away from shoulder and im sure if you snuck it closer no one would know unless they get out a measuring device when your shooting how can they say its touching your shoulder Same with the SB15, when i get a good cheek weld the rear of the brace is only about an inch or 2 off my shoulder. Stand a ways off at the right angle and it even looks like I am shouldering it. I dont undestand all this "poking the bear" commentary. Since when does an enforcing agency have leave to maul the citizens that fund it..... "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
The fact that an enforcement arm of the government can induce fear by arbitrarily changing the way it enforces already questionable regulation by simply changing its interpretation should by itself be a very bad omen of things to come. The average American fears the IRS and the average gun owner fears BATFE and by extension the government that condones their actions. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 12:19:26 PM EDT
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Ive decided to just go the SBR route to put all this shit to rest. I personally welcome a stock and vertical grip. I'm curious....what if someone really enjoyed shouldering their SigBrace, Phase 5 Tube or, a Thordsen Cheek Weld and decided to go the SBR route but once they've received the tax stamp decide to just keep shouldering their pistol with the SIgBrace, Phase 5 Tube, or Thordsen Cheek Weld? |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 1:02:37 PM EDT
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another new DU troll account? WTF Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We should just overwhelm them with letters asking about shouldering various things attached to the buffer tube:
Edited to remove profanity, though this was GD when I clicked on it. IDEA I am going to put a FLESH LIGHT on the end of my buffer tube with the intent of pleasing myself and send that in for clarification! You're a few weeks late on that. http://www.reno4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=66b41b0c46a396ec37eb717e240b7ce4&attachmentid=53119&d=1420739911 http://www.reno4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=66b41b0c46a396ec37eb717e240b7ce4&attachmentid=53120&d=1420739922 That's almost enough to turn me into a gun-banner... another new DU troll account? WTF You referring to me? 
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Posted: 1/25/2015 1:44:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: yeah, we shoudl keep slinking in the shadows, having to cover up what our forefathers won for us so we dont' make a libtard uncomfortable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This letter writing campaign is the same as the Open Carry Tards. yeah, we shoudl keep slinking in the shadows, having to cover up what our forefathers won for us so we dont' make a libtard uncomfortable.  Idiots like that also banned OC in the Washington State Capitol, and the morons in Texas are fucking everything up there too. Washington State Capitol event that banned the carrying of firearms at the Capitol.     Texas locations that have banned firearms due to OC Idiots Chipotle asks customers to leave assault rifles at home - WashingtonPost     Kory Watkins harassing elected officials.  |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 2:05:56 PM EDT
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There is nothing retarded about open carry or people that practice it. What is retarded is the banning of, and the attempt to ban, guns.
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Posted: 1/25/2015 3:12:06 PM EDT
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Just because you have the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.
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Posted: 1/25/2015 7:39:12 PM EDT
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Just because you have the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do. Exactly. Some people just take it way to far. Just like in the "open carry stop" youtube videos, grow up and get a life. Lets march up and down the road with an assault rifle and wonder why they get banned in certain places. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 7:43:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is nothing retarded about open carry or people that practice it. What is retarded is the banning of, and the attempt to ban, guns. Funny witty screen name that coincides with GD's mindset on Unions, only seventeen posts, and defending OC Tards.... In before...  |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 8:37:52 PM EDT
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Just because you have the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do. Just because your opinion is that it's not right doesn't mean the law should be negated on a whim. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 8:43:06 PM EDT
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Exactly. Some people just take it way to far. Just like in the "open carry stop" youtube videos, grow up and get a life. Lets march up and down the road with an assault rifle and wonder why they get banned in certain places. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just because you have the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do. Exactly. Some people just take it way to far. Just like in the "open carry stop" youtube videos, grow up and get a life. Lets march up and down the road with an assault rifle and wonder why they get banned in certain places. While I actually believe that it's not a good thing to flaunt guns as a way to antagonize the issue, or take it too far like you say, I also believe that the rule of law should stand regardless of whether or not a some overly sensitive pansies get scared or upset by the actions of those that like to flaunt their guns. Freedom via The Constitution should never be overridden by the fragile feelings of the week minded. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 8:47:34 PM EDT
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Funny witty screen name that coincides with GD's mindset on Unions, only seventeen posts, and defending OC Tards.... In before... http://i.imgur.com/LLPQCJE.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is nothing retarded about open carry or people that practice it. What is retarded is the banning of, and the attempt to ban, guns. Funny witty screen name that coincides with GD's mindset on Unions, only seventeen posts, and defending OC Tards.... In before... http://i.imgur.com/LLPQCJE.jpg Resorting to attacks on a screen name (which is an inside joke by the way), regarding my post count as irrelevant to the issue, and referring to people that are simply practicing a right protected by The Constitution as "Tards" does nothing but two things......1)Instantly place you in the Man Child With A Keyboard Category 2)Renders any future posts you "contribute" to the subject as null, void, and irrelevant. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 9:27:41 PM EDT
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