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Posted: 12/7/2016 5:32:35 AM EDT
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Hi Folks, Just want to give a heads-up that we received one of the new Wolf piston uppers. Some of their staff reached out to our guys and asked if we could "run it hard" and let them know how it turns out. From my first impression, everything looks high quality and the bolt carrier looks solid and robust. We will get a new lower group to pair with the upper and start some paperwork to track round count before putting it on the line. V/R Ron https://i.imgsafe.org/3b11b4f7b1.jpg https://i.imgsafe.org/3b116a35e1.jpg https://i.imgsafe.org/3b11718924.jpg https://i.imgsafe.org/3b11839894.jpg Anybody else try to go to the web sight on the box? It gos to some other sight for me. Where can you buy these? |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 9:46:11 AM EDT
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Anybody else try to go to the web sight on the box? It gos to some other sight for me. Where can you buy these? Yeah I been checking that site once a week, it went from no webpage to a place holder webpage. Obviously they can slap a website together behind the scenes and put it up at any min. But changing to a place holder tell me someone is working on it. |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 6:46:56 PM EDT
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My armorers are catching up on a lot of work in the shop but the Wolf piston continues to operate with no issues. I will track down the paperwork to see how often it has been cleaned since going on the line. I myself didn't notice any more or any less recoil as stated above but I guess it all feels relatively the same when shooting .223/5.56 as compared to .308/7.62x51 or 7.62x39.
V/R Ron |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 7:43:52 PM EDT
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My armorers are catching up on a lot of work in the shop but the Wolf piston continues to operate with no issues. I will track down the paperwork to see how often it has been cleaned since going on the line. I myself didn't notice any more or any less recoil as stated above but I guess it all feels relatively the same when shooting .223/5.56 as compared to .308/7.62x51 or 7.62x39. V/R Ron Thank you Ron, much appreciated! |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 10:10:04 PM EDT
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My armorers are catching up on a lot of work in the shop but the Wolf piston continues to operate with no issues. I will track down the paperwork to see how often it has been cleaned since going on the line. I myself didn't notice any more or any less recoil as stated above but I guess it all feels relatively the same when shooting .223/5.56 as compared to .308/7.62x51 or 7.62x39. V/R Ron Thanks Ron for the update. I am glad to know the whole upper will fit the standard AR15/M16 lower receivers . however,I heard that this Wolf BCG (T91 BCG) is proprietary because they redesign it to fit the piston system back in 1967 and make some improvements in 2002. Is this information correct? |
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Posted: 12/8/2016 2:01:11 AM EDT
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Thanks Ron for the update. I am glad to know the whole upper will fit the standard AR15/M16 lower receivers . however,I heard that this Wolf BCG (T91 BCG) is proprietary because they redesign it to fit the piston system back in 1967 and make some improvements in 2002. Is this information correct? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My armorers are catching up on a lot of work in the shop but the Wolf piston continues to operate with no issues. I will track down the paperwork to see how often it has been cleaned since going on the line. I myself didn't notice any more or any less recoil as stated above but I guess it all feels relatively the same when shooting .223/5.56 as compared to .308/7.62x51 or 7.62x39. V/R Ron Thanks Ron for the update. I am glad to know the whole upper will fit the standard AR15/M16 lower receivers . however,I heard that this Wolf BCG (T91 BCG) is proprietary because they redesign it to fit the piston system back in 1967 and make some improvements in 2002. Is this information correct? Well since it's a piston system, the BCG is going to be different. To my knowledge there is no industry standard with piston gas systems like a DI gun. I wonder if the bolt is the same as DI. The carrier is of course going to be different. |
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Posted: 12/8/2016 3:11:42 AM EDT
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Well since it's a piston system, the BCG is going to be different. To my knowledge there is no industry standard with piston gas systems like a DI gun. I wonder if the bolt is the same as DI. The carrier is of course going to be different. Correct, no industry standard; though some BCG's for SSP systems are interchangeable, the majority of them are proprietary. Nice thing about the T91 is that it's been in service for awhile, so there shouldn't be any issues that suddenly pop up after a thousand rounds. Would like to see the T91 bolt side by side with a standard AR15 bolt for comparison, myself. |
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Posted: 12/9/2016 6:47:42 AM EDT
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I wonder if the bolt is the same as DI. The carrier is of course going to be different. I don't have any first-hand experience obviously but I have heard that the bolt is standard M16/AR15. I'm hoping that is true, as it would make the upper much more hardy here in the states where extra parts for the T91 are pretty much non-existent. |
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Posted: 12/9/2016 8:17:36 AM EDT
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I don't have any first-hand experience obviously but I have heard that the bolt is standard M16/AR15. I'm hoping that is true, as it would make the upper much more hardy here in the states where extra parts for the T91 are pretty much non-existent. The bolt carrier would have to be nonstandard as the gas key would have to be replaced for an anvil so the pistol rod has something to strike. Everything else should be standard. |
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Posted: 12/9/2016 8:54:35 AM EDT
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The carrier is obviously nonstandard - or at a minimum the gas key is nonstandard (although my bet is that the whole carrier is proprietary).
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Posted: 12/9/2016 9:17:29 AM EDT
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Two dislikes. They left off the bayonet lug, and they put white lettering all over the upper. I agree with this man. |
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Posted: 12/10/2016 8:42:17 PM EDT
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The carrier is obviously nonstandard - or at a minimum the gas key is nonstandard (although my bet is that the whole carrier is proprietary). Yeah I'm hoping the bolt itself is standard and can be replaced. Even though the carrier will be proprietary, how often do those break? If at all? |
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Posted: 12/10/2016 9:23:12 PM EDT
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Don't give a shit about the bayonet. I want a proper sling attachment point. The merging of the sling point and the take down is not something I'm fond of.
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Posted: 12/11/2016 12:57:11 AM EDT
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I was talking to the staff today about the Wolf upper and asked if any of the RSO's complained about more or less recoil and they had no differences of opinion and that it "shoot's just like the other M4's". The one complaint they had is that the hand guards get really hot. We are using the factory plastic hand guards and to be honest, I didn't ask if there were single, double or any heat shields.
This upper is on the line daily and gets run pretty hard and I understand why it gets so hot up front. For a novice shooter that is shooting a gun for the first time I can also understand why it may be hot to them. That problem is solved for us when using Colt's, PSA's, Daniel Defense or whatever brand we're running by using a vertical foregrip. This upper doesn't have the ability to accept a foregrip but I am sure there will be quite a few manufacturers with various designs to solve that problem once they hit the market. V/R Ron edited: because I don't type the way I think ;-) |
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Posted: 12/11/2016 1:18:28 AM EDT
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Now that it's getting a true workout, I'm quite interested in it.
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Posted: 12/11/2016 2:27:09 AM EDT
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Don't give a shit about the bayonet. I want a proper sling attachment point. The merging of the sling point and the take down is not something I'm fond of. My thoughts, exactly. I was hoping they'd changed the pin to make it easier to disassemble with a bullet or small screwdriver when the gun was dirty, not made it into a cheesy sling point. 
Although, the railed bayonet lug would make a decent place to mount the front sling point. So either one would be fine by me. |
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Posted: 12/11/2016 6:02:37 PM EDT
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I was talking to the staff today about the Wolf upper and asked if any of the RSO's complained about more or less recoil and they had no differences of opinion and that it "shoot's just like the other M4's". The one complaint they had is that the hand guards get really hot. We are using the factory plastic hand guards and to be honest, I didn't ask if there were single, double or any heat shields. This upper is on the line daily and gets run pretty hard and I understand why it gets so hot up front. For a novice shooter that is shooting a gun for the first time I can also understand why it may be hot to them. That problem is solved for us when using Colt's, PSA's, Daniel Defense or whatever brand we're running by using a vertical foregrip. This upper doesn't have the ability to accept a foregrip but I am sure there will be quite a few manufacturers with various designs to solve that problem once they hit the market. V/R Ron edited: because I don't type the way I think ;-) Ron, has Wolf reached back out to you to get your opinion on the rifle yet? I ask because I'm trying to figure out when they are aiming for release. Usually companies give out review copies right before they are ready for a big PR push, but so far we have yet to hear a peep from Wolf. |
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Posted: 12/23/2016 11:15:55 AM EDT
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Interesting.
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Posted: 1/6/2017 8:22:56 PM EDT
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Any other news?
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Posted: 1/8/2017 11:52:14 PM EDT
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I'm ready to buy one as soon as they come out! Hopefully there will be more news out of Shot Show 2017.
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Posted: 1/9/2017 12:43:36 AM EDT
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I'm ready to buy one as soon as they come out! Hopefully there will be more news out of Shot Show 2017. Hopefully. Really hoping there's another sling option other than the piston retaining pin.
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Posted: 1/9/2017 10:42:49 AM EDT
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In order to unlock the piston retaining pin,you have to push it from left to right ,hold it and rotate 180 degree then release.
The piston itself also has to rotate 180 degree to unlock before taking it out so I would say it is reliable enough. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 9:40:26 PM EDT
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I'm ready to buy one as soon as they come out! Hopefully there will be more news out of Shot Show 2017. Though I did read a rumor that they're only importing 1,000 of them. I hope that's not the case. |
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Posted: 1/10/2017 12:07:47 AM EDT
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All of this. Though I did read a rumor that they're only importing 1,000 of them. I hope that's not the case. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm ready to buy one as soon as they come out! Hopefully there will be more news out of Shot Show 2017. Though I did read a rumor that they're only importing 1,000 of them. I hope that's not the case. I sure as hell hope not. That would sell out in a day based on the interest on this website alone. |
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Posted: 1/10/2017 1:33:04 AM EDT
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Looks interesting but with no case deflector it's a no go for me. If the video is any indication I'd have a face full of brass. Wish it was more left hand friendly.
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Posted: 1/10/2017 8:11:31 AM EDT
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Looks interesting but with no case deflector it's a no go for me. If the video is any indication I'd have a face full of brass. Wish it was more left hand friendly. 
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Posted: 1/10/2017 4:08:47 PM EDT
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Looks interesting but with no case deflector it's a no go for me. If the video is any indication I'd have a face full of brass. Wish it was more left hand friendly. Sounds like a disability
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Posted: 1/10/2017 4:37:24 PM EDT
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It's all about eye dominance. Even if master hand is right, if master eye is left you should train and shoot left. Acclimating a hand is much easier than an eye. |
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Posted: 1/10/2017 6:55:57 PM EDT
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All of this. Though I did read a rumor that they're only importing 1,000 of them. I hope that's not the case. |
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Posted: 1/10/2017 8:22:51 PM EDT
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If that's the case.... not even worth it for me then Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All of this. Though I did read a rumor that they're only importing 1,000 of them. I hope that's not the case. what I heard is 1,000 for the first shipment,if selling is good more will be coming. 
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Posted: 1/10/2017 8:31:21 PM EDT
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what I heard is 1,000 for the first shipment,if selling is good more will be coming. |
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Posted: 1/10/2017 9:34:36 PM EDT
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what I heard is 1,000 for the first shipment,if selling is good more will be coming. |
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Posted: 1/10/2017 10:05:20 PM EDT
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I doubt they'll have much trouble selling 1,000 of these uppers.
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Posted: 1/10/2017 10:12:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Though I did read a rumor that they're only importing 1,000 of them. I hope that's not the case. Source for the 1,000 import number? As far as I've been able to see, Wolf hasn't even made a peep about these since the original reveal at Big 3 East. Which would make any claim about import numbers complete speculation. In other words, no one start panicking. |
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Posted: 1/10/2017 10:40:22 PM EDT
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I hope you're right, but do you have a source for that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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what I heard is 1,000 for the first shipment,if selling is good more will be coming. http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2016/10/16/2003657255 On the forth paragragh: One thousand initial sets of the uppers are to be delivered to Wolf Ammunition over the next few years, with subsequent sales pending the popularity of the Wolf A1 carbine in the US, sources said. In other words : 1,000 for the first shipment,if selling is good more will be coming.
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Posted: 1/10/2017 10:54:55 PM EDT
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It's all about eye dominance. Even if master hand is right, if master eye is left you should train and shoot left. Acclimating a hand is much easier than an eye. I can only speak from personal experience, but I retrained my eye within a couple of months of shooting rifles and handguns. No way could I do that with my left hand. |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 3:15:59 AM EDT
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. It's all about eye dominance. Even if master hand is right, if master eye is left you should train and shoot left. Acclimating a hand is much easier than an eye. Left handed and left eye dominant. |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 7:16:14 AM EDT
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My Father was left handed. I was also up to the 1st grade . He saw me shooting a bow left handed and changed it. Wouldn't let me shoot guns or bows or throw the football/baseball left handed. He grew up when there wasn't shit for lefty's . Im right handed today.
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Posted: 1/11/2017 10:13:40 AM EDT
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http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2016/10/16/2003657255 On the forth paragragh: One thousand initial sets of the uppers are to be delivered to Wolf Ammunition over the next few years, with subsequent sales pending the popularity of the Wolf A1 carbine in the US, sources said. In other words : 1,000 for the first shipment,if selling is good more will be coming.  .
Im hoping 1,000 are in the first shipment.
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Posted: 1/11/2017 11:52:23 AM EDT
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"Over the next few years" for the first 1,000? So the first shipment might be much smaller .
Im hoping 1,000 are in the first shipment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2016/10/16/2003657255 On the forth paragragh: One thousand initial sets of the uppers are to be delivered to Wolf Ammunition over the next few years, with subsequent sales pending the popularity of the Wolf A1 carbine in the US, sources said. In other words : 1,000 for the first shipment,if selling is good more will be coming. .
Im hoping 1,000 are in the first shipment. |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 11:53:15 AM EDT
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. It's all about eye dominance. Even if master hand is right, if master eye is left you should train and shoot left. Acclimating a hand is much easier than an eye. That might work if one started shooting cross hand dominance at an early age. But I been shooting right handed with a left eye dominance for the last 56 years. Just too late in life to start to try and retrain old habits. Old saying goes:"can't teach an old dog new tricks" applies to me. 
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Posted: 1/11/2017 8:42:47 PM EDT
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"Over the next few years" for the first 1,000? So the first shipment might be much smaller .
Im hoping 1,000 are in the first shipment. That news is a little bit outdated,from the information I read 1,000 are in the first shipment. Someone out there e-mail Wolf tries to pre-order 200 units from the first shipment but Wolf refuses , unless you have FFL then you might get a chance to build a supply chain with Wolf. However,an information update that 1,000 will be in the first shipment . SMGLee also tested this upper : http://www.imgrum.net/media/1401560899856515987_1349101194 https://www.facebook.com/tacticalsmglee/photos/a.285242318153382.80729.256216031056011/1440577079286561/?type=3&theater and after some testing Eric Stephen Kincel recommended using a Vltor A5 and a A5H4 buffer for this upper. |
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Posted: 1/14/2017 7:18:59 PM EDT
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who do we order these from. i want one.
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Posted: 1/15/2017 11:25:16 AM EDT
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who do we order these from. i want one. vaporware at the moment. |
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Posted: 1/15/2017 12:12:39 PM EDT
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That news is a little bit outdated,from the information I read 1,000 are in the first shipment. Someone out there e-mail Wolf tries to pre-order 200 units from the first shipment but Wolf refuses , unless you have FFL then you might get a chance to build a supply chain with Wolf. However,an information update that 1,000 will be in the first shipment . SMGLee also tested this upper : http://www.imgrum.net/media/1401560899856515987_1349101194 https://www.facebook.com/tacticalsmglee/photos/a.285242318153382.80729.256216031056011/1440577079286561/?type=3&theater and after some testing Eric Stephen Kincel recommended using a Vltor A5 and a A5H4 buffer for this upper. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Over the next few years" for the first 1,000? So the first shipment might be much smaller .
Im hoping 1,000 are in the first shipment. That news is a little bit outdated,from the information I read 1,000 are in the first shipment. Someone out there e-mail Wolf tries to pre-order 200 units from the first shipment but Wolf refuses , unless you have FFL then you might get a chance to build a supply chain with Wolf. However,an information update that 1,000 will be in the first shipment . SMGLee also tested this upper : http://www.imgrum.net/media/1401560899856515987_1349101194 https://www.facebook.com/tacticalsmglee/photos/a.285242318153382.80729.256216031056011/1440577079286561/?type=3&theater and after some testing Eric Stephen Kincel recommended using a Vltor A5 and a A5H4 buffer for this upper. 
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Posted: 1/15/2017 4:42:38 PM EDT
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I've got a lower, red dot and buis ready for this thing.
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Posted: 1/15/2017 4:49:11 PM EDT
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I've got a lower, red dot and buis ready for this thing. Good. Then I'm not the only one. |
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Posted: 1/15/2017 9:12:46 PM EDT
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I just built me a lower today for this upper. i had a bushmasdter A2 style upper laying asround and a BCM lower kit. whaT i dont have is a buffer tube and stock. What is the recommended buffer to run in a piston upper. WD
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Posted: 1/15/2017 10:52:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNot that hard,there is a short review in his instagram,I thought someone would be interested in reading it. A guy make a replica lower for this upper 
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Posted: 1/15/2017 10:56:26 PM EDT
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I just built me a lower today for this upper. i had a bushmasdter A2 style upper laying asround and a BCM lower kit. whaT i dont have is a buffer tube and stock. What is the recommended buffer to run in a piston upper. WD Eric Stephen Kincel from BCM recommended a Vltor A5 and a A5H4 buffer for this upper. |
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