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I machine for a living up to 7axis. Been doing it a long time and yes there are tool marks but for125$ the feel beats the hell out of the g2s View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Took the in-laws shooting yesterday, the very first gun they ever fired had a MBT in it.
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Quoted: I machine for a living up to 7axis. Been doing it a long time and yes there are tool marks but for125$ the feel beats the hell out of the g2s View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Shorties2001gt/Mobile%20Uploads/C8EB01B9-6A25-4B32-ACAC-C435758D56EF.jpg http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Shorties2001gt/Mobile%20Uploads/2B1D1658-2CA2-46FB-B898-08D0F3FD4F70.jpg http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Shorties2001gt/Mobile%20Uploads/F70B4B2F-BBFE-4E79-BB90-43A8DC381BA1.jpg "O.M.G., Becky, look at that crappy machining." I machine for a living up to 7axis. Been doing it a long time and yes there are tool marks but for125$ the feel beats the hell out of the g2s The price is crazy considering how the trigger feels. I'll plainly say that I prefer the texture and geometry of Geissele trigger bows more, but the actual trigger pull itself is right there with an SSA-E. I don't like the SSA-E or MBT as a "combat" trigger. You want something that is more forgiving. Very light triggers like these are fine when you are calm and relaxed at the range, but they won't do you any good when your adrenaline is pumping and you lose fine motor skills. A USGI trigger feels like it's a 3 lb trigger in a fire fight. |
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The price is crazy considering how the trigger feels. I'll plainly say that I prefer the texture and geometry of Geissele trigger bows more, but the actual trigger pull itself is right there with an SSA-E. I don't like the SSA-E or MBT as a "combat" trigger. You want something that is more forgiving. Very light triggers like these are fine when you are calm and relaxed at the range, but they won't do you any good when your adrenaline is pumping and you lose fine motor skills. A USGI trigger feels like it's a 3 lb trigger in a fire fight. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Shorties2001gt/Mobile%20Uploads/C8EB01B9-6A25-4B32-ACAC-C435758D56EF.jpg http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Shorties2001gt/Mobile%20Uploads/2B1D1658-2CA2-46FB-B898-08D0F3FD4F70.jpg http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Shorties2001gt/Mobile%20Uploads/F70B4B2F-BBFE-4E79-BB90-43A8DC381BA1.jpg "O.M.G., Becky, look at that crappy machining." I machine for a living up to 7axis. Been doing it a long time and yes there are tool marks but for125$ the feel beats the hell out of the g2s The price is crazy considering how the trigger feels. I'll plainly say that I prefer the texture and geometry of Geissele trigger bows more, but the actual trigger pull itself is right there with an SSA-E. I don't like the SSA-E or MBT as a "combat" trigger. You want something that is more forgiving. Very light triggers like these are fine when you are calm and relaxed at the range, but they won't do you any good when your adrenaline is pumping and you lose fine motor skills. A USGI trigger feels like it's a 3 lb trigger in a fire fight. This was my thinking for many years, but no longer. I would use an MBT or Geissele SSA as a "combat trigger" all day, and prefer it. |
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What kind of grease are you guys using on the MBT? Mobil 28? View Quote It comes with a little grease on the trigger, but I added a little Slide Glide on mine. http://www.brianenos.com/pages/slide-glide.html |
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I just got a Lyman trigger gauge. I put it to work on two Larue MBT's and both averaged 3lb 11oz.
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I don't have an AK, so that is my trash can gun. It has an APEG grip and 18" Stealth barrel. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Rickesis, By your standards, your lower is destroyed. I don't have an AK, so that is my trash can gun. It has an APEG grip and 18" Stealth barrel. Rats, the A-PEG instructions did not say "DO NOT DROP A 10 HP EVINRUDE MOTOR PROP-FIRST ON YIUR LOWER!!". |
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You too, eh? I wonder if it's variance in the gauges or receivers. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I just got a Lyman trigger gauge. I put it to work on two Larue MBT's and both averaged 3lb 11oz. It's interesting to me how much it varies from Mark's profiler. You too, eh? I wonder if it's variance in the gauges or receivers. To stop the roller from working as a roller, try wrapping and locking it down with black electrician's tape, thus stopping it from rolling, so it doesn't change the moment by "rolling downhill". |
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I would say that would be true on a large flat part. These triggers have the raised spring holding/ trigger pin holder compared to the rest of the trigger. You would not use a large Blanchard grinder on these parts. O'RLY??? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/AUSTINWFT/LT%20Post/IMG_4062_zpscoyn5woo.jpg We have 3 Blanchards scattered around the facility ... indispensable. |
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I would say that would be true on a large flat part. These triggers have the raised spring holding/ trigger pin holder compared to the rest of the trigger. You would not use a large Blanchard grinder on these parts. O'RLY??? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/AUSTINWFT/LT%20Post/IMG_4062_zpscoyn5woo.jpg Yes, please explain to me how you would "Blanchard" around the raised pin holes/ spring retainers on both sides with a large rotating Blanchard machine like the one you posted a picture of? You might Blanchard the whole pc to make it the same thickness but then you would machine the material down around the pin holes/ spring retainers. Not being sarcastic, I actually want to know. |
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Slap your personally-owned rms profilometer on one hater and tell us your reading. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It looks like a Blanchard ground surface, and is pretty much the industry standard for a non-functioning surface in a precision assembly. It will be flat, square to all working surfaces, and smoother than it needs to be. FYI I used to be in charge of the grinding department of a fortune 500 metals company's tool and die division. It may be "non-functioning," but it is an exposed part and looks nowhere near as advertised. Slap your personally-owned rms profilometer on one hater and tell us your reading. I have one at work. I will let you know when I get my order in. |
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Yes, please explain to me how you would "Blanchard" around the raised pin holes/ spring retainers on both sides with a large rotating Blanchard machine like the one you posted a picture of? You might Blanchard the whole pc to make it the same thickness but then you would machine the material down around the pin holes/ spring retainers. Not being sarcastic, I actually want to know. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I would say that would be true on a large flat part. These triggers have the raised spring holding/ trigger pin holder compared to the rest of the trigger. You would not use a large Blanchard grinder on these parts. O'RLY??? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/AUSTINWFT/LT%20Post/IMG_4062_zpscoyn5woo.jpg Yes, please explain to me how you would "Blanchard" around the raised pin holes/ spring retainers on both sides with a large rotating Blanchard machine like the one you posted a picture of? You might Blanchard the whole pc to make it the same thickness but then you would machine the material down around the pin holes/ spring retainers. Not being sarcastic, I actually want to know. Do you see how the grind marks seem to run right up to the boss for the pin? How do you suppose the grind marks get that close to the boss unless it's.....mayhaps....an assembly? |
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Thank you Rickesis for the close up. That does look like two separate parts. Not one complete part like a standard cast/forged trigger.
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Do you see how the grind marks seem to run right up to the boss for the pin? How do you suppose the grind marks get that close to the boss unless it's.....mayhaps....an assembly? http://www.breachbangclear.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/LaRue-MBT-DSC_0830-1.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I would say that would be true on a large flat part. These triggers have the raised spring holding/ trigger pin holder compared to the rest of the trigger. You would not use a large Blanchard grinder on these parts. O'RLY??? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/AUSTINWFT/LT%20Post/IMG_4062_zpscoyn5woo.jpg Yes, please explain to me how you would "Blanchard" around the raised pin holes/ spring retainers on both sides with a large rotating Blanchard machine like the one you posted a picture of? You might Blanchard the whole pc to make it the same thickness but then you would machine the material down around the pin holes/ spring retainers. Not being sarcastic, I actually want to know. Do you see how the grind marks seem to run right up to the boss for the pin? How do you suppose the grind marks get that close to the boss unless it's.....mayhaps....an assembly? http://www.breachbangclear.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/LaRue-MBT-DSC_0830-1.jpg I do see that and there would obviously have to be an assembly to Blanchard around the pin/ spring raised section. Just to understand what you are staying, they make an assembly and Blanchard each trigger separately??? A Blanchard machine typically has a large rotating head (grinding part) and a lower assembly that moves the product. Or, are you saying it is a very small Blanchard machine or maybe a standard grinder?????? |
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Thank you Rickesis for the close up. That does look like two separate parts. Not one complete part like a standard cast/forged trigger. View Quote I'm fairly certain the triggers are one solid part but maybe that would solve the confusion about whether these are Blanchard ground. I will say this, my good buddy Mark only said the MBT triggers were meticulously built, not meticulously finished. My two samples seem to function just fine with the grind marks on the side. There really is no way for those grind marks to cause any issues because they do not come into contact with anything and you don't see them unless the trigger is out of the lower. |
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I do see that and there would obviously have to be an assembly to Blanchard around the pin/ spring raised section. Just to understand what you are staying, they make an assembly and Blanchard each trigger separately??? A Blanchard machine typically has a large rotating head (grinding part) and a lower assembly that moves the product. Or, are you saying it is a very small Blanchard machine or maybe a standard grinder?????? View Quote I'm saying that the triggers are ground, then the hole is made (by drill, EDM, or...), then the "bushing" probably pressed in. Mark originally posted the picture of the machine I posted and said it was used on the triggers. My issue with the marks is they do (ETA: not) represent all of the advertised pictures of the product. If he was going to take out the labor (and cost) intensive blasting operation, it would have been nice to know. |
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Thank you Mark for a sweet trigger. It is nicer than my SSA. I will be buying more for my other rifles. Spot on quality all the way through. Seriously though, the Blanchard grind marks just give it character and help tell the story. Thanks again
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I'm saying that the triggers are ground, then the hole is made (by drill, EDM, or...), then the "bushing" probably pressed in. Mark originally posted the picture of the machine I posted and said it was used on the triggers. My issue with the marks is they do represent all of the advertised pictures of the product. If he was going to take out the labor (and cost) intensive blasting operation, it would have been nice to know. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I do see that and there would obviously have to be an assembly to Blanchard around the pin/ spring raised section. Just to understand what you are staying, they make an assembly and Blanchard each trigger separately??? A Blanchard machine typically has a large rotating head (grinding part) and a lower assembly that moves the product. Or, are you saying it is a very small Blanchard machine or maybe a standard grinder?????? I'm saying that the triggers are ground, then the hole is made (by drill, EDM, or...), then the "bushing" probably pressed in. Mark originally posted the picture of the machine I posted and said it was used on the triggers. My issue with the marks is they do represent all of the advertised pictures of the product. If he was going to take out the labor (and cost) intensive blasting operation, it would have been nice to know. I got you. I always thought they were one solid machined pc but maybe the bushing is pressed in? If they do have a pressed in bushing, that makes perfect sense now. Has Mark ever confirmed that? Yes, I know exactly what you are referring to about the representing part. Some pictures I see, they are blasted/ machined smooth and other pictures like the one you posted represent what the product actually looks like. Granted, for $125 it's a good deal. |
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This off topic but about how long will it take to get the trigger if I select the "I got plenty of time" option when ordering?
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Thank you Mark for a sweet trigger. It is nicer than my SSA. I will be buying more for my other rifles. Spot on quality all the way through. Seriously though, the Blanchard grind marks just give it character and help tell the story. Thanks again This man gets it. I like the way the machine marks look as well, even though mine don't look as pronounced as some of the pics here. But for the people that obsess over a trigger finish, what are you going to do when the gun is fired and there are now marks on the hammer face from the firing pin? |
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This off topic but about how long will it take to get the trigger if I select the "I got plenty of time" option when ordering? I'm going with just under 8 weeks. |
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I like the way the machine marks look as well, even though mine don't look as pronounced as some of the pics here. But for the people that obsess over a trigger finish, what are you going to do when the gun is fired and there are now marks on the hammer face from the firing pin? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thank you Mark for a sweet trigger. It is nicer than my SSA. I will be buying more for my other rifles. Spot on quality all the way through. Seriously though, the Blanchard grind marks just give it character and help tell the story. Thanks again This man gets it. I like the way the machine marks look as well, even though mine don't look as pronounced as some of the pics here. But for the people that obsess over a trigger finish, what are you going to do when the gun is fired and there are now marks on the hammer face from the firing pin? I think the reason there have been a few complaints is because it does not represent what you see on Larues website. Some triggers seem to be finished much better than others and people might assume that may be poor quality control. |
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I think the reason there have been a few complaints is because it does not represent what you see on Larues website. Some triggers seem to be finished much better than others and people might assume that may be poor quality control. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thank you Mark for a sweet trigger. It is nicer than my SSA. I will be buying more for my other rifles. Spot on quality all the way through. Seriously though, the Blanchard grind marks just give it character and help tell the story. Thanks again This man gets it. I like the way the machine marks look as well, even though mine don't look as pronounced as some of the pics here. But for the people that obsess over a trigger finish, what are you going to do when the gun is fired and there are now marks on the hammer face from the firing pin? I think the reason there have been a few complaints is because it does not represent what you see on Larues website. Some triggers seem to be finished much better than others and people might assume that may be poor quality control. Uh, there's not been a "few" complaints, there's just been you trying to whip something up out of nothing. As far as I can tell, nothing about a $375 hammer for $125 will make you the least bit happy. For the record, no two "swirls" coming off a Blanchard are the same, they can't and won't ever be. So when they don't look like the picture, that's the way they are supposed to look.. |
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As a former machinist myself, I like the Blanchard marks. They just give a part a cool "industrial" look. Also, I'm sure there have been some advancements in wire EDM machines from the one we had in our shop back in the day, but I remember that whenever we'd have a job where that machine was used, the one old dude in the shop who knew how to run it would set it up and let it cut the part out overnight. It wasn't like it churned out a part every half hour. Just knowing that gives me an appreciation for what must go into each MBT trigger.
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As a former machinist myself, I like the Blanchard marks. They just give a part a cool "industrial" look. Also, I'm sure there have been some advancements in wire EDM machines from the one we had in our shop back in the day, but I remember that whenever we'd have a job where that machine was used, the one old dude in the shop who knew how to run it would set it up and let it cut the part out overnight. It wasn't like it churned out a part every half hour. Just knowing that gives me an appreciation for what must go into each MBT trigger. View Quote Not much has changed, and we have a total of 12 wire EDMs slowing burning graphable accuracy into each and every one. |
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This gent got his and posted us up a nice review ... LaRue Tactical MBT-2S Trigger “This trigger was worth the long wait. I own a lot of AR-15s and have examples of 5 different Geiselle trigger models, a KAC two stage, and a Wilson Combat drop in trigger installed in them. None of them can touch the price/performance ratio of the Larue MBT-2S. This trigger is superbly built and finely crafted. It is very very consistent shot to shot. The wide trigger face is comfortable and makes the trigger pull feel a bit lighter than it really is. I only have a few hundred rounds down range on it so far but I have experienced no light primer strikes or misfires with XM-193 or XM-855 ammunition. This trigger is a winner!” ETA - and we got an email this morning from an ARFcommer ... There is a post on ar15.com of an MBT with rough machining. Are the triggers being produced today rougher because there are so many back ordered? |
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Uh, there's not been a "few" complaints, there's just been you trying to whip something up out of nothing. As far as I can tell, nothing about a $375 hammer for $125 will make you the least bit happy. For the record, no two "swirls" coming off a Blanchard are the same, they can't and won't ever be. So when they don't look like the picture, that's the way they are supposed to look.. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Uh, there's not been a "few" complaints, there's just been you trying to whip something up out of nothing. As far as I can tell, nothing about a $375 hammer for $125 will make you the least bit happy. For the record, no two "swirls" coming off a Blanchard are the same, they can't and won't ever be. So when they don't look like the picture, that's the way they are supposed to look.. Wow, I have to agree with you Mark. There has not been a "few". There were just these two seperate posts below from different members and me saying that there were marks on the triggers but it did not affect the function of the trigger. I'm sure it has no bearing on the operation of the trigger, but that side work is anything but smoothly machined. It may be "non-functioning," but it is an exposed part and looks nowhere near as advertised. |
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This gent got his and posted us up a nice review ... ETA - and we got an email this morning from an ARFcommer ... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Mark when do I get my mbt? :) This gent got his and posted us up a nice review ... LaRue Tactical MBT-2S Trigger “This trigger was worth the long wait. I own a lot of AR-15s and have examples of 5 different Geiselle trigger models, a KAC two stage, and a Wilson Combat drop in trigger installed in them. None of them can touch the price/performance ratio of the Larue MBT-2S. This trigger is superbly built and finely crafted. It is very very consistent shot to shot. The wide trigger face is comfortable and makes the trigger pull feel a bit lighter than it really is. I only have a few hundred rounds down range on it so far but I have experienced no light primer strikes or misfires with XM-193 or XM-855 ammunition. This trigger is a winner!” ETA - and we got an email this morning from an ARFcommer ... There is a post on ar15.com of an MBT with rough machining. Are the triggers being produced today rougher because there are so many back ordered? Did someone really send you that?.....and lets add a LOL to that! |
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I'm in the 11th week right now and judging by people posting order #'s, I got some time left.
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Mark when do I get my mbt? :) This gent got his and posted us up a nice review ... LaRue Tactical MBT-2S Trigger “This trigger was worth the long wait. I own a lot of AR-15s and have examples of 5 different Geiselle trigger models, a KAC two stage, and a Wilson Combat drop in trigger installed in them. None of them can touch the price/performance ratio of the Larue MBT-2S. This trigger is superbly built and finely crafted. It is very very consistent shot to shot. The wide trigger face is comfortable and makes the trigger pull feel a bit lighter than it really is. I only have a few hundred rounds down range on it so far but I have experienced no light primer strikes or misfires with XM-193 or XM-855 ammunition. This trigger is a winner!” ETA - and we got an email this morning from an ARFcommer ... There is a post on ar15.com of an MBT with rough machining. Are the triggers being produced today rougher because there are so many back ordered? Did someone really send you that?.....and lets add a LOL to that! Yep, ARFcommer letter is real. |
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Yep, ARFcommer letter is real.
Shit like his is the reason I hate working with the public, and prefer being in the presence of machines and dogs. I commend your patience and restraint. I was going to wait a couple of months before I ordered one for my current build, after the forend and muzzle device, but I am ordering one today on principle. |
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As a former machinist myself, I like the Blanchard marks. They just give a part a cool "industrial" look. Also, I'm sure there have been some advancements in wire EDM machines from the one we had in our shop back in the day, but I remember that whenever we'd have a job where that machine was used, the one old dude in the shop who knew how to run it would set it up and let it cut the part out overnight. It wasn't like it churned out a part every half hour. Just knowing that gives me an appreciation for what must go into each MBT trigger. View Quote This I see nothing wrong with the marks. I mean come on people for 125$ this trigger is a steal |
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Has anyone bitching actually ran the trigger hard, because I have and have zero complaints.
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