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Posted: 3/16/2014 2:38:14 AM EDT
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When discussing the Mk 18 / CQBR program, we can divide the history and discussion in to two distinct categories: 1) The weapon system itself / upper receiver supplied and 2) the group of accessories deployed on said weapon systems (SOPMOD).
---------- Mk 18 Mod 0 / CQBR The M4 carbine and M16 are not ideally suited for all missions, so it was proposed that the modularity of the M16 series would allow a user to replace the upper receiver of an existing weapon with one more suitable to the task. One of two proposed special mission receivers that were planned for inclusion into the SOPMOD Block II kit, the CQBR has taken off on its own. Like the proposed Special Purpose Receiver, the Close Quarters Battle Receiver has been more or less taken on by the Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane Division (often referred to as NSWC-Crane or just "Crane") as its own project following the CQBR's removal from the SOPMOD program. Just as the Special Purpose Receiver morphed into the Special Purpose Rifle, and was type-classified as Mk 12 Mod 0/1, the complete CQBR-equipped carbine has been type-classified as the Mk 18 Mod 0. The purpose of the CQBR remains to provide operators with a weapon of submachine gun size, but firing a rifle cartridge, for scenarios such as VIP protection, urban warfare, and other close quarters battle (CQB) situations. The CQBR is designed to provide improvement over previous AR-15/M16-type weapons in this category. The CQBR is usually issued as a complete weapon system, and not just an upper receiver. The CQBR was once only available to Naval Special Warfare units, but the Mk 18 Mod 0 has become general issue for Visit, Board, Search, and Seizure (VBSS) missions and, as of 2006, for NCIS agents deploying to active combat zones.[citation needed] The Mk 18 is also used by the Coast Guard's Tactical Law Enforcement Teams, Maritime Safety and Security Teams, and Maritime Security Response Team and the United States Navy's Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) Operators. Wikipedia has a good article with sources on the original CQBR/Mk 18 Mod 0 and its development. ---------- SOPMOD The SOPMOD Program Management Office at NSWC Crane, IN, provides standardized, versatile weapons accessories to meet needs across SOF mission scenarios. These accessories increase operator survivability and lethality by enhanced weapon performance, target acquisition, signature suppression, and fire control. The CQBR itself was originally part of the SOPMOD program as an accessory replacement upper receiver for the M4. However it was eventually separated out into its own project. SOPMOD accessories for the M4/CQBR originally included things like the KAC RIS/RAS, SOPMOD stock, KAC M4QD suppressor, AN/PEQ-2 illuminator/laser, ECOS-N red dot, ACOG, etc The SOPMOD program has gone through multiple minor and major evolutions throughout its lifetime. The most significant is commonly defined as "Block II" and included the introduction/replacement of accessories that met the updated needs of operators. The most visually significant "Block II" accessory is probably the replacement of the KAC rail/FSB with the Daniel Defense RIS II free float rail with low-profile gas block. Other updates include things like the Surefire SOCOM sound suppressor, EOTech RDS (553/SU-231 & EXPS 3-0/SU-231a), LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL, etc ---------- Link to docs and photo albums Presentation on CQBR from Crane Operator's Manual for Mk 18 Mod 0 SOPMOD Program Overview presentation from Crane Photo Album of Mk 18 Mod 0 Photo Album of CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories ---------- Because of the long history of both the CQBR/Mk 18 and SOPMOD programs, it's common to find weapons with various mixed configurations in the field, all depending on what time and unit the weapon system belongs to. Below are a few examples with descriptions to illustrate this. Example of a Mk 18 Mod 0 in as-issued configuration including: M16A1 surplus lower receiver, SOPMOD buttstock, KAC RIS, KAC M4QD flash hider, Aimpoint Comp M2 in Wilcox mount, LMT rear fixed sight, CQD rear sling plate. NSW Operator CQBRs with original SOPMOD accessories including KAC M4QD sound suppressor and AN/PEQ-2 IR Illuminator/Laser. Member of a Combat Camera team with a CQBR with KAC RAS and M4QD flash hider but with other updated accessories from the "Block II" SOPMOD kit including SU-231a (EOTech EXPS 3-0), EOTech G33 Magnifier, LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL, Insight WMX-200. Good example of "early" CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories including SU-231 (EOTech 553) and SU-233 (Insight M3x weaponlight). Example of a more "modern" CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories including the updated SU-231a (EOTech EXPS 3-0) and Insight WMX-200 weaponlight. Many times certain configurations are common within certain branches/groups. Here a Marine Raider is seen with a CQBR with an AN/PEQ-16 (USMC issued vs. the LA-5/PEQ SOCOM issued ATPIAL) and KAC NT4 suppressor (vs. the current Surefire SOCOM suppressor). ---------- Building a clone If you're interested in building a "clone" of a Mk 18 or CQBR equipped M4A1, here is a basic parts list to use as a guide and get you started. This list is not exhaustive and see the * note above regarding personalized accessories. | Mk 18 Mod 0 | M4A1 CQBR Block I | M4A1 CQBR Block II Lower Receiver | Mil-spec forged A1 | Mil-spec forged A2 | Mil-spec forged A2 Stock | Gen 1 SOPMOD (Black) | M4, CAR, SOPMOD, CTR & others | M4, CAR, SOPMOD, CTR & others Pistol Grip | A1 | A2, ERGO & others | A2, ERGO & others Rear Sling Plate | CQD | CQD | CQD Upper Receiver | Mil-spec forged M4 profile | Mil-spec forged M4 profile | Mil-spec forged M4 profile Barrel | 10.3" | 10.3" | 10.3" Rail | KAC RIS | KAC RAS | DD Mk18 RIS II (FDE) Rear BUIS | LMT Fixed | LMT Fixed, MATECH, & others | MATECH, KAC 300m, & others Front Sight | A2 FSB | A2 FSB | KAC 99051 BUIS (Taupe) Front Sling Attachment | FSB Sling Swivel | FSB Sling Swivel | CQD Muzzle Device | KAC M4QD | KAC M4QD | SureFire FH-556-RC Supressor | None | KAC QDSS NT4 | SureFire SOCOM556-RC (FDE) LAM | None | PEQ-2 | LA-5 Weaponlight | SureFire M962 | SureFire M952, M962 | Insight M3X (Tan), Insight WMX200 (Bronze) Optic | Aimpoint Comp M2 in Wilcox Mount | Aimpoint Comp M2 in QRP Mount, ACOG | EOTech 553 (Tan), EOTech EXPS3-0 (Tan), ELCAN 1-4x (FDE) ---------- Link to previous threads Previous Mk 18 / CQBR Thread Part I Previous Mk 18 / CQBR Thread Part II |
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Awesome thanks guys, I was hoping the answer was the unity riser.
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Originally Posted By wakebrdr142: Closer to being complete. Lower UID now on (not pictured). Just need some Magpul offsets now. https://i.ibb.co/WPDmKCC/IMG-5125.jpg Replicating ish this NSW setup. https://i.ibb.co/fMTZGVN/IMG-2248.png Needs laser. https://i.ibb.co/zRk5PWk/IMG-5120.jpg Needs mostly optic/mount and laser. Not sure what optic yet. Leaning towards LPVO. https://i.ibb.co/zxMvfF1/IMG-5122.jpg View Quote |
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"A Mk18 is a handgun with a stock"/"10.3 is a 50 yard and in gun" - From SHTF AR Thread
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View Quote That turned out great!! I do love the elevated Eotech over the standard lower 1/3 height. |
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IG @bayou_bengal-rifles
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Yall and yalls not clone correct and non fixed mount wmx200s are disgusting!! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LsuJon: Yall and yalls not clone correct and non fixed mount wmx200s are disgusting!! Originally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: Agree.....what the hell is keylows thinking.....? Mods please ban. ^^^ |
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"A Mk18 is a handgun with a stock"/"10.3 is a 50 yard and in gun" - From SHTF AR Thread
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I see the black unity risers in the last few posts, and the one coyote at the bottom of the last page….
Anyone have the coyote/tan unity riser under a tan exps3? Can’t decide on which color. |
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Damnt wakebrdr, thanks for the pics, but I can’t figure out which one.
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View Quote The black unity and tan exps look awesome together. |
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If I were to do it again I'd go black. Wasn't really cloning a specific unit at the time but here is an Old pic:
Attached File Su233 riser: Attached File Some times I miss this rifle. |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: If I were to do it again I'd go black. Wasn't really cloning a specific unit at the time but here is an Old pic: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_6111_jpeg-3166151.JPG Su233 riser: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_1563_jpeg-3166152.JPG Some times I miss this rifle. View Quote Both sick!! I’d miss them too. |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: If I were to do it again I'd go black. Wasn't really cloning a specific unit at the time but here is an Old pic: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_6111_jpeg-3166151.JPG Su233 riser: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_1563_jpeg-3166152.JPG Some times I miss this rifle. View Quote Both look boss! I really like that insight riser. Hoping I eventually find one of those. |
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View Quote Nice! A fellow GG&Ger…. |
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Looks like their lower 1/3rd micro mount. Not sure about the plate below the optic. https://kineticdg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/SID5-120V2-2.jpg View Quote It’s close, but this one is absolute co-witness, and has all those extra pieces making up the riser portion. Plus, the button on mine sticks out a bit more and has a small locking tab pressed into the flat actuator bar that keeps the button from getting pushed In accidentally. I can’t find anything like it on the internet, and I wonder if it’s a contract piece for government use, from some contract somewhere. I don’t know where our weapons came from, but they’re not trash like I’ve seen on some other contracts. |
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Double tap
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The Harmony of the Pen and the Sword
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Originally Posted By doubleclaw: It's close, but this one is absolute co-witness, and has all those extra pieces making up the riser portion. Plus, the button on mine sticks out a bit more and has a small locking tab pressed into the flat actuator bar that keeps the button from getting pushed In accidentally. I can't find anything like it on the internet, and I wonder if it's a contract piece for government use, from some contract somewhere. I don't know where our weapons came from, but they're not trash like I've seen on some other contracts. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By thatARMSguy: Maybe try asking if your unit armorer can find out if it had a contract or if it was a personal purchase from the last guy using the rifle? View Quote That’s the direction I’ve been leaning toward, and I’ll be headed back to the compound where I drew my weapon in the near future, so I’ll get a chance to ask one of the armorers about these mounts. I’m hoping I can find a source for them, as I’d love to have a clone-correct copy of my current issued rifle. It’s one sweet piece and it shoots better than I can hold. My last qual was a couple weeks ago, and was actually a lot of fun due to the gratifying accuracy and ease of handling of this little rifle. I had never really given the Mk.18 much thought before, but using them in training and then getting issued one here, I got to know it pretty well, and I have to say, I LOVE IT. |
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Shoot KDG an email too. Maybe they'll have one you could purchase.
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Anyone have an issued cqbr with fde afg2 pic handy?
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View Quote Thanks, looks good but that's an afg1. Ended up grabbing a full size TG QD VFG. In all my different builds I never used one of those. |
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Originally Posted By doubleclaw: Glad I found this thread! I want to find the mount for the clone of my issued rifle, and then manufacturer’s website doesn’t have it listed. Anyone seen one of these mounts out in the wild, and know where I could find one for sale? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48960/IMG_0310-3168110.jpg View Quote In the trash can outside the armory…they all got replaced with factory mounts because those were loose and bent when dropped. |
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IG @bayou_bengal-rifles
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View Quote Yes I’m looking at the rifle too….but anyone know what the footwear is that he’s wearing? |
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Currently putting together a mk18ish build.
any input on crane spec colt socom cut down barrels(w/fsp pin cuts) vs. having a 14.5 socom cut to 10.3 (less the fsp pin cuts). vs a gov profile DD barrel? |
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Originally Posted By Jnat: Currently putting together a mk18ish build. any input on crane spec colt socom cut down barrels(w/fsp pin cuts) vs. having a 14.5 socom cut to 10.3 (less the fsp pin cuts). vs a gov profile DD barrel? View Quote I had ADCO cut my Colt Socom barrel to 10.3 and shave the FSP. Not sure if that is clone correct but I am very happy! |
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Originally Posted By Jnat: Currently putting together a mk18ish build. any input on crane spec colt socom cut down barrels(w/fsp pin cuts) vs. having a 14.5 socom cut to 10.3 (less the fsp pin cuts). vs a gov profile DD barrel? View Quote For a Block II URG/Mk18 Mod 1 with DD Mk18 RIS Crane cut down factory Colt 14.5" Govt profile to 10.3" and dimpled the barrels. I have never seen a Crane cut down 14.5" SOCOM profile to 10.3". Factory 10.3" SOCOM bbls in system are from FN or KAK (7YV73). I have seen NSW using DD Mk18 uppers so assuming they had DD barrels. Never got to take one apart. |
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De Oppresso Liber
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24' Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21' |
Mk18 Mod 0 with Crane cut down a Colt Govt profile bbl
Attached File Mk18 Mod 1 with FN SOCOM bbl Attached File |
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24' Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21' |
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De Oppresso Liber
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24' Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21' |
Can we get an issued rig with T1/T2 photo dump????
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Originally Posted By Eyekahn: Can we get an issued rig with T1/T2 photo dump???? View Quote Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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@Combat_Diver
Thank you sir. I questioned cut down 14.5 socoms as I have seen a few guys doing so. Maybe due to availability |
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De Oppresso Liber
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24' Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21' |
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24' Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21' |
Originally Posted By LsuJon: You never said as the primary optic https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_0148_jpeg-3169802.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_8926_jpeg-3169804.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_5264_jpeg-3169806.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_8126_jpeg-3169807.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_6072_jpeg-3169812.JPG View Quote I'm too poor to run it as a secondary! Need primary. About to rob the T1 off the recce as I literally have shot with it twice. If I ever get some nods I'll throw it back up there. |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: You never said as the primary optic https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_6072_jpeg-3169812.JPG View Quote |
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"A Mk18 is a handgun with a stock"/"10.3 is a 50 yard and in gun" - From SHTF AR Thread
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Originally Posted By 2Keylows: Ahh nice. Didn't realize there were cubby pics lol. Always thought this was a cool non-vanilla gun. https://i.imgur.com/PmwDguw.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EvNAuDd.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Missed one lol https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_1013_jpeg-3170087.JPG View Quote Alright alright, I'll calm it down on the mutt clones. |
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"A Mk18 is a handgun with a stock"/"10.3 is a 50 yard and in gun" - From SHTF AR Thread
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Per the request here's 5 with 5 different mounting solutions.
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: For a Block II URG/Mk18 Mod 1 with DD Mk18 RIS Crane cut down factory Colt 14.5" Govt profile to 10.3" and dimpled the barrels. I have never seen a Crane cut down 14.5" SOCOM profile to 10.3". Factory 10.3" SOCOM bbls in system are from FN or KAK (7YV73). I have seen NSW using DD Mk18 uppers so assuming they had DD barrels. Never got to take one apart. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Originally Posted By Jnat: Currently putting together a mk18ish build. any input on crane spec colt socom cut down barrels(w/fsp pin cuts) vs. having a 14.5 socom cut to 10.3 (less the fsp pin cuts). vs a gov profile DD barrel? For a Block II URG/Mk18 Mod 1 with DD Mk18 RIS Crane cut down factory Colt 14.5" Govt profile to 10.3" and dimpled the barrels. I have never seen a Crane cut down 14.5" SOCOM profile to 10.3". Factory 10.3" SOCOM bbls in system are from FN or KAK (7YV73). I have seen NSW using DD Mk18 uppers so assuming they had DD barrels. Never got to take one apart. These lil rifles are heavy enough for their size... I went with gov't profile. IMO the extra weight negates anything the heavier socom barrel offers. |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Left Crane Colt cut down Middle FN SOCOM Right KAK SOCOM https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_8505_jpeg-3169711.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_8503_jpeg-3169712.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_8504_jpeg-3169713.JPG View Quote KAK .... Didn't know they had a dog in the fight. |
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