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Posted: 3/16/2014 2:38:14 AM EDT
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When discussing the Mk 18 / CQBR program, we can divide the history and discussion in to two distinct categories: 1) The weapon system itself / upper receiver supplied and 2) the group of accessories deployed on said weapon systems (SOPMOD).
---------- Mk 18 Mod 0 / CQBR The M4 carbine and M16 are not ideally suited for all missions, so it was proposed that the modularity of the M16 series would allow a user to replace the upper receiver of an existing weapon with one more suitable to the task. One of two proposed special mission receivers that were planned for inclusion into the SOPMOD Block II kit, the CQBR has taken off on its own. Like the proposed Special Purpose Receiver, the Close Quarters Battle Receiver has been more or less taken on by the Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane Division (often referred to as NSWC-Crane or just "Crane") as its own project following the CQBR's removal from the SOPMOD program. Just as the Special Purpose Receiver morphed into the Special Purpose Rifle, and was type-classified as Mk 12 Mod 0/1, the complete CQBR-equipped carbine has been type-classified as the Mk 18 Mod 0. The purpose of the CQBR remains to provide operators with a weapon of submachine gun size, but firing a rifle cartridge, for scenarios such as VIP protection, urban warfare, and other close quarters battle (CQB) situations. The CQBR is designed to provide improvement over previous AR-15/M16-type weapons in this category. The CQBR is usually issued as a complete weapon system, and not just an upper receiver. The CQBR was once only available to Naval Special Warfare units, but the Mk 18 Mod 0 has become general issue for Visit, Board, Search, and Seizure (VBSS) missions and, as of 2006, for NCIS agents deploying to active combat zones.[citation needed] The Mk 18 is also used by the Coast Guard's Tactical Law Enforcement Teams, Maritime Safety and Security Teams, and Maritime Security Response Team and the United States Navy's Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) Operators. Wikipedia has a good article with sources on the original CQBR/Mk 18 Mod 0 and its development. ---------- SOPMOD The SOPMOD Program Management Office at NSWC Crane, IN, provides standardized, versatile weapons accessories to meet needs across SOF mission scenarios. These accessories increase operator survivability and lethality by enhanced weapon performance, target acquisition, signature suppression, and fire control. The CQBR itself was originally part of the SOPMOD program as an accessory replacement upper receiver for the M4. However it was eventually separated out into its own project. SOPMOD accessories for the M4/CQBR originally included things like the KAC RIS/RAS, SOPMOD stock, KAC M4QD suppressor, AN/PEQ-2 illuminator/laser, ECOS-N red dot, ACOG, etc The SOPMOD program has gone through multiple minor and major evolutions throughout its lifetime. The most significant is commonly defined as "Block II" and included the introduction/replacement of accessories that met the updated needs of operators. The most visually significant "Block II" accessory is probably the replacement of the KAC rail/FSB with the Daniel Defense RIS II free float rail with low-profile gas block. Other updates include things like the Surefire SOCOM sound suppressor, EOTech RDS (553/SU-231 & EXPS 3-0/SU-231a), LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL, etc ---------- Link to docs and photo albums Presentation on CQBR from Crane Operator's Manual for Mk 18 Mod 0 SOPMOD Program Overview presentation from Crane Photo Album of Mk 18 Mod 0 Photo Album of CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories ---------- Because of the long history of both the CQBR/Mk 18 and SOPMOD programs, it's common to find weapons with various mixed configurations in the field, all depending on what time and unit the weapon system belongs to. Below are a few examples with descriptions to illustrate this. Example of a Mk 18 Mod 0 in as-issued configuration including: M16A1 surplus lower receiver, SOPMOD buttstock, KAC RIS, KAC M4QD flash hider, Aimpoint Comp M2 in Wilcox mount, LMT rear fixed sight, CQD rear sling plate. NSW Operator CQBRs with original SOPMOD accessories including KAC M4QD sound suppressor and AN/PEQ-2 IR Illuminator/Laser. Member of a Combat Camera team with a CQBR with KAC RAS and M4QD flash hider but with other updated accessories from the "Block II" SOPMOD kit including SU-231a (EOTech EXPS 3-0), EOTech G33 Magnifier, LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL, Insight WMX-200. Good example of "early" CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories including SU-231 (EOTech 553) and SU-233 (Insight M3x weaponlight). Example of a more "modern" CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories including the updated SU-231a (EOTech EXPS 3-0) and Insight WMX-200 weaponlight. Many times certain configurations are common within certain branches/groups. Here a Marine Raider is seen with a CQBR with an AN/PEQ-16 (USMC issued vs. the LA-5/PEQ SOCOM issued ATPIAL) and KAC NT4 suppressor (vs. the current Surefire SOCOM suppressor). ---------- Building a clone If you're interested in building a "clone" of a Mk 18 or CQBR equipped M4A1, here is a basic parts list to use as a guide and get you started. This list is not exhaustive and see the * note above regarding personalized accessories. | Mk 18 Mod 0 | M4A1 CQBR Block I | M4A1 CQBR Block II Lower Receiver | Mil-spec forged A1 | Mil-spec forged A2 | Mil-spec forged A2 Stock | Gen 1 SOPMOD (Black) | M4, CAR, SOPMOD, CTR & others | M4, CAR, SOPMOD, CTR & others Pistol Grip | A1 | A2, ERGO & others | A2, ERGO & others Rear Sling Plate | CQD | CQD | CQD Upper Receiver | Mil-spec forged M4 profile | Mil-spec forged M4 profile | Mil-spec forged M4 profile Barrel | 10.3" | 10.3" | 10.3" Rail | KAC RIS | KAC RAS | DD Mk18 RIS II (FDE) Rear BUIS | LMT Fixed | LMT Fixed, MATECH, & others | MATECH, KAC 300m, & others Front Sight | A2 FSB | A2 FSB | KAC 99051 BUIS (Taupe) Front Sling Attachment | FSB Sling Swivel | FSB Sling Swivel | CQD Muzzle Device | KAC M4QD | KAC M4QD | SureFire FH-556-RC Supressor | None | KAC QDSS NT4 | SureFire SOCOM556-RC (FDE) LAM | None | PEQ-2 | LA-5 Weaponlight | SureFire M962 | SureFire M952, M962 | Insight M3X (Tan), Insight WMX200 (Bronze) Optic | Aimpoint Comp M2 in Wilcox Mount | Aimpoint Comp M2 in QRP Mount, ACOG | EOTech 553 (Tan), EOTech EXPS3-0 (Tan), ELCAN 1-4x (FDE) ---------- Link to previous threads Previous Mk 18 / CQBR Thread Part I Previous Mk 18 / CQBR Thread Part II |
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Originally Posted By joglee:
Why are the rails so much? Also when they price it out as $1,700 does that include both the RIS II variants at the same time? Just looking that list over you're looking at closer to $1,100 for all that plus just one rail, but $1,700 for both rails. However I don't know how it works for charging for assembly lol, but still $600 for assembly seems insane. Thanks for the info BTW. View Quote Only the Mk18 rail and to cut the barrel down. CD |
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De Oppresso Liber
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09, 15 & 16' Afganistan: 09,10,11', & 14' |
Is $300 a good deal for a used tan 553 marked su-231? The marking is faded. Can you stil get it refurbished? Found it stashed at a local gun show.
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Cheaper than I'd let mine go for.
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Originally Posted By JJREA:
Aaaaah. Makes sense. I also notice you have something covering the cheek side of your buttstock. Does that thing pull the hairs on your face? I would have to put a piece of tape over that part. But I've always wanted one of those. View Quote 9line velcroed on. Never pulls. Same stock I use deployed. But without t used to pull like hell. That vltor stock and all... |
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Originally Posted By OilfieldTrash78:
Went and shot my CQBR today finally, after switching to my milspec DD barrel, and MK12 gas block, and my spent brass is ejecting at 1-2 o'clock when suppressed. Is this normal? If not, how would I fix it? View Quote @OilfieldTrash78 What spring and buffer? You should probably be using a Colt spring and H3 suppressed with 5.56. |
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I would really like to have a MK18 RIS II FSP rail.
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Originally Posted By TLDelaney:
Should I rock the DD upper ( Matches very well surprisingly...) or wait for a similar colored colt upper to pop up on marketplace? http://i.imgur.com/LZQ0OUb.jpg View Quote Get a Colt upper. Bonus points if it doesn't match. |
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Guess I'll be selling the dd components and on the hunt :P
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De Oppresso Liber
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09, 15 & 16' Afganistan: 09,10,11', & 14' |
Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Uncles guns 14.5/10.3" suppressed/non all use a H2 and standard carbine spring. CD View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
@OilfieldTrash78 What spring and buffer? You should probably be using a Colt spring and H3 suppressed with 5.56. Uncles guns 14.5/10.3" suppressed/non all use a H2 and standard carbine spring. CD What kind of ejection pattern do you guys see? |
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I'm at about 1 o'clock suppressed with m193 running h2 and a standard spring. 100% reliable suppressed and unsupressed
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Uncles guns 14.5/10.3" suppressed/non all use a H2 and standard carbine spring. CD View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
@OilfieldTrash78 What spring and buffer? You should probably be using a Colt spring and H3 suppressed with 5.56. Uncles guns 14.5/10.3" suppressed/non all use a H2 and standard carbine spring. CD H2 is currently clone correct, but that doesn't mean it is the best choice for his rifle. If you have an H and an H2 you can make an H3 to try out. I personally make sure my rifles lock back not just on 5.56 but also on Federal .223 55 gr so there is a little extra gas. |
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I would really like to have a MK18 RIS II FSP rail.
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Best place to get a PRI gas buster?
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Originally Posted By acmcgaha:
Don't forget the smaller gas port on issue/correct barrels. You're welcome #.070mafia View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By acmcgaha:
Originally Posted By OilfieldTrash78:
What kind of ejection pattern do you guys see? You're welcome #.070mafia Oh, I know...I am running one of the .070 barrels...just wanted to make sure mine was running right after swapping from my commercial DD barrel |
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"He had the right hand of the devil strapped tightly to his side."-The Last Cowboy
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So I ended up getting a used 553/SU-231. Got home and cleaned it with some windex/hoppes, and the "SU-231/PEQ" marking was not worn/faded and came out brilliant. My question to anyone that has one of these, my battery cap and hood do not have any sort of Eotech markings other than the yellow laser sticker. Is the typical or this a special version? Thanks in advance for info.
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Guys with risers, which ones are you running? I know Wilcox has one but I don't have the Eotech magnifier so I won't spend that on the riser without it. I like to shoot "head up" especially with my nods. I found the Weaver Tactical online for about $50. Just wondering what you guys are running
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Originally Posted By White_knight:
wondering if you guys could offer some help. i own the DBAL-A3 and it seems around the same price as the APTIL-C. i like the green laser on the DBAL over the red as it is more powerful and easier to pick up. however the APTIAL is the more correct unit and looks better IMO, should i stick with the DBAL? is it a better technical unit? or try to post up a straight trade offer for a APTIL? just looking for insight if its worth it to try to trade up or just stick with what i have. here is my current setup. https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/521/31436783954_37fde70359_b.jpg cheers guys. View Quote I was told by the guys at TNVC that the A3 is a better unit than the APTIL-C in terms of features if I remember correctly. I got my A3 back in 2015. One feature is that you can zero your visible laser and it will zero the IR laser at the same time. I also believe the Ir illuminator on the A3 has more adjustments than the APTIL-C? I got the A3 mainly because the APTIL-C was out of stock and I wasn't into clones yet. Call TNVC and speak with them. They'll set you straight. The APTIL-C is clone correct unless you can get your hands on a PEQ15a (never seen one for sale) or a real PEQ15 (run about $2000?) or LA-5 ($3000?). |
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Originally Posted By DDZ71:
So I ended up getting a used 553/SU-231. Got home and cleaned it with some windex/hoppes, and the "SU-231/PEQ" marking was not worn/faded and came out brilliant. My question to anyone that has one of these, my battery cap and hood do not have any sort of Eotech markings other than the yellow laser sticker. Is the typical or this a special version? Thanks in advance for info. View Quote That means it's a legit SU-231. Mil 231 and 231As do not have any other markings other than the designation. No L3 or EOTech logos. |
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A bit OT but I received my 80% lowers back from anodizing and had no issues. So hopefully that "problem" is currently only local to USA. Does anyone know what the outcome of that ordeal was anyway? It seems the thread was nuked from the legal section.
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Originally Posted By compuvette:
New "beauty" shot. Forgive my crappy skills.... http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr193/compuvette/20170115_114842_zpseshkd2ve.jpg View Quote looking good!! what mag is that?? |
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
The OP was going through and deleting his posts, so I would assume he probably had a MOD nuke it so there wouldn't be anything to use against him should he have to go to court over it. Pic thread: https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/389/31525033153_fb89cd346f_o.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/504/31957138130_55b7fe804d_o.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/318/32214046841_4e97bdf236_o.jpg View Quote That's kind of what I figured and probably a good idea. Great pics! |
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Originally Posted By 78Staff:
There's a PEQ15a on the big auction site right now it appears - I don't know enough about them to know if legit... shipping from Russia? http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/LwMAAOSwe7BWvign/s-l1600.jpg View Quote ITAR bro. I'd avoid that shit like the plague. |
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"He had the right hand of the devil strapped tightly to his side."-The Last Cowboy
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
The OP was going through and deleting his posts, so I would assume he probably had a MOD nuke it so there wouldn't be anything to use against him should he have to go to court over it. Pic thread: https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/389/31525033153_fb89cd346f_o.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/504/31957138130_55b7fe804d_o.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/318/32214046841_4e97bdf236_o.jpg View Quote Looks fantastic. Love that simplistic old-school look. How did you get your faux 3rd pin to stick out like that, contrast wise? Eta: pic with wrong muffler Attached File |
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Originally Posted By AstraPat:
Looks fantastic. Love that simplistic old-school look. How did you get your faux 3rd pin to stick out like that, contrast wise? Eta: pic with wrong muffler https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/126406/IMG-2789-127197.JPG View Quote ETA: It really doesn't stand out as much as that pic would suggest. When I adjusted contrast and whatnot, it made it stand out a bit more. |
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"Our Costa, who art in Wyoming, thy beard come, thy will be done on the range as it is on the internet" ozzie839 I survived ARFbortion2016 and all I got was this stupid sigline |
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Silver Sharpie then rubbed it a bit with my finger to dull it. ETA: It really doesn't stand out as much as that pic would suggest. When I adjusted contrast and whatnot, it made it stand out a bit more. View Quote Silver Sharpie, copy that.. heading to the store! |
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Originally Posted By DDZ71:
So I ended up getting a used 553/SU-231. Got home and cleaned it with some windex/hoppes, and the "SU-231/PEQ" marking was not worn/faded and came out brilliant. My question to anyone that has one of these, my battery cap and hood do not have any sort of Eotech markings other than the yellow laser sticker. Is the typical or this a special version? Thanks in advance for info. View Quote Probably one of the "Law Guns" Eotechs still floating around. I WOULD NOT send it in to Eotech as they'll most likely confiscate it as stolen .gov property. ETA: Read more here. |
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"Adding a piston to an AR is like nailing more legs to a dog and calling it an octopus." - Chapman
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Originally Posted By AstraPat:
Looks fantastic. Love that simplistic old-school look. How did you get your faux 3rd pin to stick out like that, contrast wise? Eta: pic with wrong muffler https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/126406/IMG-2789-127197.JPG View Quote Is that Saker painted or cerakoted? |
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Originally Posted By OilfieldTrash78:
Is that Saker painted or cerakoted? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By OilfieldTrash78:
Originally Posted By AstraPat:
Looks fantastic. Love that simplistic old-school look. How did you get your faux 3rd pin to stick out like that, contrast wise? Eta: pic with wrong muffler https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/126406/IMG-2789-127197.JPG Is that Saker painted or cerakoted? Rustolium'd Omega. It's a wee bit more baked since that pic. It's a fantastic can, but embaresed to show it in here. |
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Did Colt ever assemble factory CQBR uppers? I saw this in the EE Colt factory CQBR uppers for sale
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" Clone threads are full of dudes with sharp wit, pleasant demeanor, boyish good looks, and big swinging Richards " StealthGuy
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Originally Posted By Mad4wd:
Did Colt ever assemble factory CQBR uppers? I saw this in the EE Colt factory CQBR uppers for sale View Quote I want the flashhider! |
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Originally Posted By Mad4wd:
Did Colt ever assemble factory CQBR uppers? I saw this in the EE Colt factory CQBR uppers for sale View Quote I get that some of the parts are rare, but $2000? I picked up a clone correct upper with all of the same parts for $1200 not even a month ago. I hope nobody pays into that sham. |
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Originally Posted By Mad4wd:
Did Colt ever assemble factory CQBR uppers? I saw this in the EE Colt factory CQBR uppers for sale View Quote They definitely did not. No idea what he means by "factory built". Either they're just personal builds or "fell off the back of Crane's truck". Something's very fishy. Either stolen goods or the guy is lying. |
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