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When discussing the Mk 18 / CQBR program, we can divide the history and discussion in to two distinct categories: 1) The weapon system itself / upper receiver supplied and 2) the group of accessories deployed on said weapon systems (SOPMOD).
---------- Mk 18 Mod 0 / CQBR The M4 carbine and M16 are not ideally suited for all missions, so it was proposed that the modularity of the M16 series would allow a user to replace the upper receiver of an existing weapon with one more suitable to the task. One of two proposed special mission receivers that were planned for inclusion into the SOPMOD Block II kit, the CQBR has taken off on its own. Like the proposed Special Purpose Receiver, the Close Quarters Battle Receiver has been more or less taken on by the Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane Division (often referred to as NSWC-Crane or just "Crane") as its own project following the CQBR's removal from the SOPMOD program. Just as the Special Purpose Receiver morphed into the Special Purpose Rifle, and was type-classified as Mk 12 Mod 0/1, the complete CQBR-equipped carbine has been type-classified as the Mk 18 Mod 0. The purpose of the CQBR remains to provide operators with a weapon of submachine gun size, but firing a rifle cartridge, for scenarios such as VIP protection, urban warfare, and other close quarters battle (CQB) situations. The CQBR is designed to provide improvement over previous AR-15/M16-type weapons in this category. The CQBR is usually issued as a complete weapon system, and not just an upper receiver. The CQBR was once only available to Naval Special Warfare units, but the Mk 18 Mod 0 has become general issue for Visit, Board, Search, and Seizure (VBSS) missions and, as of 2006, for NCIS agents deploying to active combat zones.[citation needed] The Mk 18 is also used by the Coast Guard's Tactical Law Enforcement Teams, Maritime Safety and Security Teams, and Maritime Security Response Team and the United States Navy's Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) Operators. Wikipedia has a good article with sources on the original CQBR/Mk 18 Mod 0 and its development. ---------- SOPMOD The SOPMOD Program Management Office at NSWC Crane, IN, provides standardized, versatile weapons accessories to meet needs across SOF mission scenarios. These accessories increase operator survivability and lethality by enhanced weapon performance, target acquisition, signature suppression, and fire control. The CQBR itself was originally part of the SOPMOD program as an accessory replacement upper receiver for the M4. However it was eventually separated out into its own project. SOPMOD accessories for the M4/CQBR originally included things like the KAC RIS/RAS, SOPMOD stock, KAC M4QD suppressor, AN/PEQ-2 illuminator/laser, ECOS-N red dot, ACOG, etc The SOPMOD program has gone through multiple minor and major evolutions throughout its lifetime. The most significant is commonly defined as "Block II" and included the introduction/replacement of accessories that met the updated needs of operators. The most visually significant "Block II" accessory is probably the replacement of the KAC rail/FSB with the Daniel Defense RIS II free float rail with low-profile gas block. Other updates include things like the Surefire SOCOM sound suppressor, EOTech RDS (553/SU-231 & EXPS 3-0/SU-231a), LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL, etc ---------- Link to docs and photo albums Presentation on CQBR from Crane Operator's Manual for Mk 18 Mod 0 SOPMOD Program Overview presentation from Crane Photo Album of Mk 18 Mod 0 Photo Album of CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories ---------- Because of the long history of both the CQBR/Mk 18 and SOPMOD programs, it's common to find weapons with various mixed configurations in the field, all depending on what time and unit the weapon system belongs to. Below are a few examples with descriptions to illustrate this. Example of a Mk 18 Mod 0 in as-issued configuration including: M16A1 surplus lower receiver, SOPMOD buttstock, KAC RIS, KAC M4QD flash hider, Aimpoint Comp M2 in Wilcox mount, LMT rear fixed sight, CQD rear sling plate. NSW Operator CQBRs with original SOPMOD accessories including KAC M4QD sound suppressor and AN/PEQ-2 IR Illuminator/Laser. Member of a Combat Camera team with a CQBR with KAC RAS and M4QD flash hider but with other updated accessories from the "Block II" SOPMOD kit including SU-231a (EOTech EXPS 3-0), EOTech G33 Magnifier, LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL, Insight WMX-200. Good example of "early" CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories including SU-231 (EOTech 553) and SU-233 (Insight M3x weaponlight). Example of a more "modern" CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories including the updated SU-231a (EOTech EXPS 3-0) and Insight WMX-200 weaponlight. Many times certain configurations are common within certain branches/groups. Here a Marine Raider is seen with a CQBR with an AN/PEQ-16 (USMC issued vs. the LA-5/PEQ SOCOM issued ATPIAL) and KAC NT4 suppressor (vs. the current Surefire SOCOM suppressor). ---------- Building a clone If you're interested in building a "clone" of a Mk 18 or CQBR equipped M4A1, here is a basic parts list to use as a guide and get you started. This list is not exhaustive and see the * note above regarding personalized accessories. | Mk 18 Mod 0 | M4A1 CQBR Block I | M4A1 CQBR Block II Lower Receiver | Mil-spec forged A1 | Mil-spec forged A2 | Mil-spec forged A2 Stock | Gen 1 SOPMOD (Black) | M4, CAR, SOPMOD, CTR & others | M4, CAR, SOPMOD, CTR & others Pistol Grip | A1 | A2, ERGO & others | A2, ERGO & others Rear Sling Plate | CQD | CQD | CQD Upper Receiver | Mil-spec forged M4 profile | Mil-spec forged M4 profile | Mil-spec forged M4 profile Barrel | 10.3" | 10.3" | 10.3" Rail | KAC RIS | KAC RAS | DD Mk18 RIS II (FDE) Rear BUIS | LMT Fixed | LMT Fixed, MATECH, & others | MATECH, KAC 300m, & others Front Sight | A2 FSB | A2 FSB | KAC 99051 BUIS (Taupe) Front Sling Attachment | FSB Sling Swivel | FSB Sling Swivel | CQD Muzzle Device | KAC M4QD | KAC M4QD | SureFire FH-556-RC Supressor | None | KAC QDSS NT4 | SureFire SOCOM556-RC (FDE) LAM | None | PEQ-2 | LA-5 Weaponlight | SureFire M962 | SureFire M952, M962 | Insight M3X (Tan), Insight WMX200 (Bronze) Optic | Aimpoint Comp M2 in Wilcox Mount | Aimpoint Comp M2 in QRP Mount, ACOG | EOTech 553 (Tan), EOTech EXPS3-0 (Tan), ELCAN 1-4x (FDE) ---------- Link to previous threads Previous Mk 18 / CQBR Thread Part I Previous Mk 18 / CQBR Thread Part II |
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Originally Posted By JJREA:
Sooooo, is that mini red dot the primary optic on that last gun? I was wondering if we might see this at some point....... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
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Originally Posted By 10Point3:
tan is the issued color, black have been seen. This. Out of the thousands of pics I have stored, there's probably 10 black EXPS? I'd hardly call that a replacement at about a 99/1 percent ratio. Sorta like TD FAs. https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5763/20808105963_40b70b3318_b.jpg https://farm1.staticflickr.com/763/21241106660_5bcc1680d2_b.jpg https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5805/21437617971_2cbc61b005_b.jpg https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5625/21418256572_f891994e7a_b.jpg https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5820/21242380989_8b52b9d4e1_b.jpg https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5694/21241647208_178c08210c_b.jpg https://farm1.staticflickr.com/597/20808394363_245c6a9613_b.jpg https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5678/20806834964_8afc3fd4fd_b.jpg https://farm1.staticflickr.com/779/21241545220_88483fe543_b.jpg Sooooo, is that mini red dot the primary optic on that last gun? I was wondering if we might see this at some point....... Yes, but it's only 1:1000 so not clone-worthy. |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Here's another Navy Mk18-1 and Mk25 http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_0920_rz.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_0921_rz.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_0922_rz.jpg CD View Quote Is that a black 99051 on that weapon? Be safe! |
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That definitely looks engraved after the receiver was possibly repainted or refinished. You can see the chatter marks on the straight line from the end mill.
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Originally Posted By TurbineBoiler: Thanks, CD! This one's marked just like the last one. Is the "18-1" designation the same as "Mk18 Mod 1", or would this officially be "18-1"? I realize the property books may be the most official reference, but I'm asking about common usage. I don't see Mk12 Mod 0's called 12-0, for example. Is that a black 99051 on that weapon? Be safe! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TurbineBoiler: Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Here's another Navy Mk18-1 and Mk25 http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_0920_rz.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_0921_rz.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_0922_rz.jpg CD Is that a black 99051 on that weapon? Be safe! I doubt Crane still builds the Mk12 Mod 1 |
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Found out yesterday my can was approved on 24 August. Dealer still hasn't seen the stamp..... I was just about to part this thing out....
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Here's another Navy Mk18-1 and Mk25 http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_0920_rz.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_0921_rz.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_0922_rz.jpg CD View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Mad4wd:
That definitely looks engraved after the receiver was possibly repainted or refinished. You can see the chatter marks on the straight line from the end mill. View Quote The finish looks really thick on the lower too. Like moly-resin or something. Any ideas, CD? |
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Originally Posted By CloneDiseased: Mind blowed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CloneDiseased: Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Here's another Navy Mk18-1 and Mk25 http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_0920_rz.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_0921_rz.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_0922_rz.jpg CD |
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Originally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Any of you dudes have that picture of the rifle with the Anniston Army Depot stamping on the lower? Trying to find a matching set of letter punches. ETA: Found it. http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr201/h1h0ag/1_zpsbrylcuh9.jpg View Quote Here is the the full 5k res version of that picture. linky The punches they use would likely be the Young Bros. brand http://www.youngbrosstampworks.com/about.html You should be able to do some pixel size comparisons with the mag release ridges and the stamping to figure the correct size. Don't forget to get numbers do the month/year stamping as well Edit; found the second photo for the first image, looks like that one is stamped 8 03 hirez |
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Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
The finish looks really thick on the lower too. Like moly-resin or something. Any ideas, CD? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Originally Posted By Mad4wd:
That definitely looks engraved after the receiver was possibly repainted or refinished. You can see the chatter marks on the straight line from the end mill. The finish looks really thick on the lower too. Like moly-resin or something. Any ideas, CD? I'll talk to the Gunners Mate tomorrow as he knows about what happened to the guns (that gun is his by the way) CD |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
I'll talk to the Gunners Mate tomorrow as he knows about what happened to the guns (that gun is his by the way) CD View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Originally Posted By Mad4wd:
That definitely looks engraved after the receiver was possibly repainted or refinished. You can see the chatter marks on the straight line from the end mill. The finish looks really thick on the lower too. Like moly-resin or something. Any ideas, CD? I'll talk to the Gunners Mate tomorrow as he knows about what happened to the guns (that gun is his by the way) CD Right on. |
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Originally Posted By JJREA:
Is that a trijicon? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By brodband8:
btw, I'm making it my life's mission to clone that fuckin' MRDS gun. Is that a trijicon? The MRDS is made by insight, Trijicon makes the RMR |
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
The MRDS is made by insight, Trijicon makes the RMR View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By brodband8:
btw, I'm making it my life's mission to clone that fuckin' MRDS gun. Is that a trijicon? The MRDS is made by insight, Trijicon makes the RMR Yep, made by Insight. Same guys who make the WMX200, PEQ-15 and LA-5. |
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Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
The finish looks really thick on the lower too. Like moly-resin or something. Any ideas, CD? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Originally Posted By Mad4wd:
That definitely looks engraved after the receiver was possibly repainted or refinished. You can see the chatter marks on the straight line from the end mill. The finish looks really thick on the lower too. Like moly-resin or something. Any ideas, CD? Whatever is on it, looks like doodoo. Now that he's posted like, 3 of these things, I'd feel confident guessing that they are marked as such in the property books, because I don't see them going through the trouble on that many lowers if it wasn't. |
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Originally Posted By RJeff21:
Yep, made by Insight. Same guys who make the WMX200, PEQ-15 and LA-5. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RJeff21:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By brodband8:
btw, I'm making it my life's mission to clone that fuckin' MRDS gun. Is that a trijicon? The MRDS is made by insight, Trijicon makes the RMR Yep, made by Insight. Same guys who make the WMX200, PEQ-15 and LA-5. Don't forget the wildly successful Integrated Sighting Module. |
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Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Don't forget the wildly successful Integrated Sighting Module. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Originally Posted By RJeff21:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By brodband8:
btw, I'm making it my life's mission to clone that fuckin' MRDS gun. Is that a trijicon? The MRDS is made by insight, Trijicon makes the RMR Yep, made by Insight. Same guys who make the WMX200, PEQ-15 and LA-5. Don't forget the wildly successful Integrated Sighting Module. I actually want one with the ir laser |
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Originally Posted By asmig:
Here is the the full 5k res version of that picture. linky The punches they use would likely be the Young Bros. brand http://www.youngbrosstampworks.com/about.html You should be able to do some pixel size comparisons with the mag release ridges and the stamping to figure the correct size. Don't forget to get numbers do the month/year stamping as well http://i.imgur.com/AJByBMu.jpg Edit; found the second photo for the first image, looks like that one is stamped 8 03 hirez View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By asmig:
Originally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Any of you dudes have that picture of the rifle with the Anniston Army Depot stamping on the lower? Trying to find a matching set of letter punches. ETA: Found it. http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr201/h1h0ag/1_zpsbrylcuh9.jpg Here is the the full 5k res version of that picture. linky The punches they use would likely be the Young Bros. brand http://www.youngbrosstampworks.com/about.html You should be able to do some pixel size comparisons with the mag release ridges and the stamping to figure the correct size. Don't forget to get numbers do the month/year stamping as well http://i.imgur.com/AJByBMu.jpg Edit; found the second photo for the first image, looks like that one is stamped 8 03 hirez For the record Asmig, your labels are bomb proof (unless you try to peel it off) I stripped my A2 lower yesterday and caked the label with citristrip multiple times for extended periods, then scrubbed it and around it with a stiff brush. The thing still looks brand new |
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In the absence of a plan, move toward the sound of gunfire and kill everything.
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556: Now that he's posted like, 3 of these things, I'd feel confident guessing that they are marked as such in the property books, because I don't see them going through the trouble on that many lowers if it wasn't. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MILSPEC556: Originally Posted By DontBuryMe: Originally Posted By Mad4wd: That definitely looks engraved after the receiver was possibly repainted or refinished. You can see the chatter marks on the straight line from the end mill. The finish looks really thick on the lower too. Like moly-resin or something. Any ideas, CD? Now that he's posted like, 3 of these things, I'd feel confident guessing that they are marked as such in the property books, because I don't see them going through the trouble on that many lowers if it wasn't. |
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556: For the record Asmig, your labels are bomb proof (unless you try to peel it off) I stripped my A2 lower yesterday and caked the label with citristrip multiple times for extended periods, then scrubbed it and around it with a stiff brush. The thing still looks brand new View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MILSPEC556: Originally Posted By asmig: Originally Posted By Nameless_Hobo: Any of you dudes have that picture of the rifle with the Anniston Army Depot stamping on the lower? Trying to find a matching set of letter punches. ETA: Found it. http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr201/h1h0ag/1_zpsbrylcuh9.jpg Here is the the full 5k res version of that picture. linky The punches they use would likely be the Young Bros. brand http://www.youngbrosstampworks.com/about.html You should be able to do some pixel size comparisons with the mag release ridges and the stamping to figure the correct size. Don't forget to get numbers do the month/year stamping as well http://i.imgur.com/AJByBMu.jpg Edit; found the second photo for the first image, looks like that one is stamped 8 03 hirez For the record Asmig, your labels are bomb proof (unless you try to peel it off) I stripped my A2 lower yesterday and caked the label with citristrip multiple times for extended periods, then scrubbed it and around it with a stiff brush. The thing still looks brand new |
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
The MRDS is made by insight, Trijicon makes the RMR View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By brodband8:
btw, I'm making it my life's mission to clone that fuckin' MRDS gun. Is that a trijicon? The MRDS is made by insight, Trijicon makes the RMR So does that mean a civilian can't own one? |
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Originally Posted By JJREA:
So does that mean a civilian can't own one? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By brodband8:
btw, I'm making it my life's mission to clone that fuckin' MRDS gun. Is that a trijicon? The MRDS is made by insight, Trijicon makes the RMR So does that mean a civilian can't own one? I don't quite get the joke, if this is one lol. Yes, you can own one. |
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Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
I don't quite get the joke, if this is one lol. Yes, you can own one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By brodband8:
btw, I'm making it my life's mission to clone that fuckin' MRDS gun. Is that a trijicon? The MRDS is made by insight, Trijicon makes the RMR So does that mean a civilian can't own one? I don't quite get the joke, if this is one lol. Yes, you can own one. Insight and L3 like to keep their shit mil-only as much as possible, if they get a procurement contract for gear. |
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Originally Posted By JJREA:
Cuz you can't own a bunch of their lasers. I thought. It was probably a dumb joke. I didn't recall seeing this red dot for sale anywhere, and I've been browsing lately. But I may have missed. ETA: you got top of page dude (armedferret horseyhead)...... http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o475/NomadABPos/gun%20album%20I%202015/fcc27a93feea8e3923ef803b54e1b739_zpsqvuhrmqd.jpg View Quote This pic was my excuse when I ran the black 553. There's no mil only for the MRDS. Just the non ATPIAL-C lasers, and as of recently the WMX, and some other fancy shit. |
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5763/20808105963_40b70b3318_b.jpg https://farm1.staticflickr.com/763/21241106660_5bcc1680d2_b.jpg https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5625/21418256572_f891994e7a_b.jpg https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5820/21242380989_8b52b9d4e1_b.jpg https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5694/21241647208_178c08210c_b.jpg https://farm1.staticflickr.com/597/20808394363_245c6a9613_b.jpg https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5678/20806834964_8afc3fd4fd_b.jpg https://farm1.staticflickr.com/779/21241545220_88483fe543_b.jpg View Quote LOL I know him, old high school friend. Awesome guy, and I do truly mean that. Special Forces IIRC, was in .mil before 9/11 and re-uped afterwards. I sent him a link to this FWIW he says he loves the Elcan; it's a "touch heavy" but "super versatile" And if he's reading, he'll know who I am and probably give me a ration of well deserved shit But at least I wasn't the one who raided his FB page and posted a photo, so I got that going for me |
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Originally Posted By Evil_Ed:
LOL I know him, old high school friend. Awesome guy, and I do truly mean that. Special Forces IIRC, was in .mil before 9/11 and re-uped afterwards. I sent him a link to this FWIW he says he loves the Elcan; it's a "touch heavy" but "super versatile" And if he's reading, he'll know who I am and probably give me a ration of well deserved shit But at least I wasn't the one who raided his FB page and posted a photo, so I got that going for me View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Evil_Ed:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5763/20808105963_40b70b3318_b.jpg https://farm1.staticflickr.com/763/21241106660_5bcc1680d2_b.jpg https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5805/21437617971_2cbc61b005_b.jpg https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5625/21418256572_f891994e7a_b.jpg https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5820/21242380989_8b52b9d4e1_b.jpg https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5694/21241647208_178c08210c_b.jpg https://farm1.staticflickr.com/597/20808394363_245c6a9613_b.jpg https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5678/20806834964_8afc3fd4fd_b.jpg https://farm1.staticflickr.com/779/21241545220_88483fe543_b.jpg LOL I know him, old high school friend. Awesome guy, and I do truly mean that. Special Forces IIRC, was in .mil before 9/11 and re-uped afterwards. I sent him a link to this FWIW he says he loves the Elcan; it's a "touch heavy" but "super versatile" And if he's reading, he'll know who I am and probably give me a ration of well deserved shit But at least I wasn't the one who raided his FB page and posted a photo, so I got that going for me Tell him to get in here and tell B6 that teardrop forward assists are in fact, in use. For the record, if he is reading this, I didn't steal his pic either. It either came from a google image search for CQBR, or......ArmedFerret stole it. We will go with option number 2. |
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In the absence of a plan, move toward the sound of gunfire and kill everything.
Easily bribed with mil rifle parts |
I've received several messages regarding AU and SF suppressors
Here is my current timeline ... Jun 29 - I purchase the suppressor from AU Jul 07 - AU contacts me for FFL information Jul 07 - My FFL sends his information to AU ??? ?? - AU submits their F3 ??? ?? - F3 approved by ATF Sep 15 - AU ships my suppressor to my dealer |
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Originally Posted By Roadblock:
Originally Posted By azoutdoorsman:
ATTN Roadblock and other Michigan members: I will be near Lansing this Sunday for shooting purposes, with a couple of clones, SR15, and sidearms. Let's meet up at least for a beer if you can't shoot. Feel free to IM me for details. I'm in! :) I'm in too. Sending an IM now. |
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
*******OFFHAND CQBR CHALLEGE******* When you guys post your results, I'll need the following- (I'll keep it minimal since we all know the ground rules, and that ONLY CQBR's can be used) * Your barrel brand and length * Optic used * Ammunition used (refer to DBM's rule list for challenge legal ammo) * Your smallest group size of the three targets * Your AVERAGED total score of the three targets (for the dumb dumbs, you add the total score of all hits on all 3 targets, and divide by the amount of targets used (3) ) This averaged total is out of 100 possible points. If anybody wants anything else added to the score card, let me know. I'm open to anything that isn't a given, meaning we don't need distance, shooting position etc, as these are constants. *******DBM'S OFFHAND CQBR CHALLENGE RULE LIST******* If these rules don't work for everyone for some reason, let me know. -50 yards -10 rounds -10 seconds (time begins with first shot) -IPSC paper target -Standing position -CQBR clone with appropriate optic or irons -Only the following types of ammunition may be used (some form of commercial load advertised as such)- M855, M193, Mk262, Mk318 (tell me if I am missing something) Scoring as follows: Possible score of 100/100. Hits in the A zone are 10 pts each. B is 9, C is 8, D is 7. Shots that do not impact the target receive a score of 0. Shooters will shoot three separate clean targets, score them and use the average of all three as their score here. This is intended to mitigate the "luck" factor that Stoner mentioned previously. Ex: a 90/100, a 97/100 and a 99/100 will give you a score of 95.3/100. Ties go to the shooter with the SINGLE smallest group out of their three. |
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" Clone threads are full of dudes with sharp wit, pleasant demeanor, boyish good looks, and big swinging Richards " StealthGuy
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"Adding a piston to an AR is like nailing more legs to a dog and calling it an octopus." - Chapman
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Latest suppressor was just approved today but I won't be home to get it for a while
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Originally Posted By Mad4wd:
http://<a href=http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj578/Madmachineanddesign/Mk12%20fan%20pics/image.jpg1_zpszyd6gngp.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj578/Madmachineanddesign/Mk12%20fan%20pics/image.jpg2_zpsctbggfvg.jpg</a>" /> View Quote I wish insight would still sell the mount kit separately, I bought a basic kit for a good deal thinking I could pick up the rest later but they discontinued selling the hoods and bases. |
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Originally Posted By RJeff21:
Well, was able to get out shooting today, but Fedex took for fucking ever to deliver my damn targets, so I wasn't able to shoot the competition. Seriously, I waited til 4 and they still weren't here. Anyways, this is all I got from today. https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5661/20830390323_92a146ef7b_b.jpg View Quote I don't forgive you. |
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In the absence of a plan, move toward the sound of gunfire and kill everything.
Easily bribed with mil rifle parts |
Originally Posted By Mad4wd:
http://<a href=http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj578/Madmachineanddesign/Mk12%20fan%20pics/image.jpg1_zpszyd6gngp.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj578/Madmachineanddesign/Mk12%20fan%20pics/image.jpg2_zpsctbggfvg.jpg</a>" /> If any of you guys that haven't seen them before wanted a closer look View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mad4wd:
http://<a href=http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj578/Madmachineanddesign/Mk12%20fan%20pics/image.jpg1_zpszyd6gngp.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj578/Madmachineanddesign/Mk12%20fan%20pics/image.jpg2_zpsctbggfvg.jpg</a>" /> If any of you guys that haven't seen them before wanted a closer look I've seen them, but not that mount in the second pic. Is that absolute? ETA: Originally Posted By asmig:
...they discontinued selling the hoods and bases. EVERYTHING I LOVE DIES. |
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Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
I've seen them, but not that mount in the second pic. Is that absolute? ETA: EVERYTHING I LOVE DIES. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Originally Posted By Mad4wd:
http://<a href=http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj578/Madmachineanddesign/Mk12%20fan%20pics/image.jpg1_zpszyd6gngp.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj578/Madmachineanddesign/Mk12%20fan%20pics/image.jpg2_zpsctbggfvg.jpg</a>" /> If any of you guys that haven't seen them before wanted a closer look I've seen them, but not that mount in the second pic. Is that absolute? ETA: Originally Posted By asmig:
...they discontinued selling the hoods and bases. EVERYTHING I LOVE DIES. I actually have that base in tan, the one in the second pic. Speaking of weird Insight shit, have we talked about these new WMX200's? I've never seen these. Looks like a handheld WMX in a modified version of their rotating mount. |
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"Adding a piston to an AR is like nailing more legs to a dog and calling it an octopus." - Chapman
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Originally Posted By RJeff21: I actually have that base in tan, the one in the second pic. Speaking of weird Insight shit, have we talked about these new WMX200's? I've never seen these. Looks like a handheld WMX in a modified version of their rotating mount. http://i.imgur.com/MDIhu0J.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RJeff21: Originally Posted By DontBuryMe: Originally Posted By Mad4wd: http://<a href=http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj578/Madmachineanddesign/Mk12%20fan%20pics/image.jpg1_zpszyd6gngp.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj578/Madmachineanddesign/Mk12%20fan%20pics/image.jpg2_zpsctbggfvg.jpg</a>" /> If any of you guys that haven't seen them before wanted a closer look I've seen them, but not that mount in the second pic. Is that absolute? ETA: Originally Posted By asmig: ...they discontinued selling the hoods and bases. EVERYTHING I LOVE DIES. I actually have that base in tan, the one in the second pic. Speaking of weird Insight shit, have we talked about these new WMX200's? I've never seen these. Looks like a handheld WMX in a modified version of their rotating mount. http://i.imgur.com/MDIhu0J.jpg It's a positional mount It alows you to flip the light from parallel to offset, kind of like a flip over magnifier mount |
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Sam's Misguided Children I was cloning before cloning was cool: Mk12, Mk13, Mk18, M4 Block II |
Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
I've seen them, but not that mount in the second pic. Is that absolute? ETA: EVERYTHING I LOVE DIES. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
I've seen them, but not that mount in the second pic. Is that absolute? ETA: Originally Posted By asmig:
...they discontinued selling the hoods and bases. EVERYTHING I LOVE DIES. Yes, they call it a rail grabber mount |
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" Clone threads are full of dudes with sharp wit, pleasant demeanor, boyish good looks, and big swinging Richards " StealthGuy
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Originally Posted By RJeff21:Speaking of weird Insight shit, have we talked about these new WMX200's? I've never seen these. Looks like a handheld WMX in a modified version of their rotating mount.
http://i.imgur.com/MDIhu0J.jpg View Quote Great catch, and no, I don't believe we've seen or discussed these before. I'm the one that posted the pic and I didn't even notice it. Thought it was just the standard rotation mount WMX. Kind of interesting, would be cool to find a model number or more information. There seems to be a few different versions of the WMX that are rare and hard to get information on like the IR high-output version. It's a bummer that they're so hard to get ahold of being such a great, versatile light. |
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Originally Posted By dangerdan:
It's a positional mount It alows you to flip the light from parallel to offset, kind of like a flip over magnifier mount View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Originally Posted By RJeff21:
I actually have that base in tan, the one in the second pic. Speaking of weird Insight shit, have we talked about these new WMX200's? I've never seen these. Looks like a handheld WMX in a modified version of their rotating mount. http://i.imgur.com/MDIhu0J.jpg It's a positional mount It alows you to flip the light from parallel to offset, kind of like a flip over magnifier mount Yeah, I've got that part. I actually owned a rotational mount WMX200 for a while. This is different than the standard rotational mount version though. Standard rotational mount: What appears to be a "clamp" version of their rotational mount: Notice the three little screws that appear to "clamp" the light in the mount? It's definitely not the same as the original rotational mount version, as it appears the mount is not integral to the light. |
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Originally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Great catch, and no, I don't believe we've seen or discussed these before. I'm the one that posted the pic and I didn't even notice it. Thought it was just the standard rotation mount WMX. Kind of interesting, would be cool to find a model number or more information. There seems to be a few different versions of the WMX that are rare and hard to get information on like the IR high-output version. It's a bummer that they're so hard to get ahold of being such a great, versatile light. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Originally Posted By RJeff21:Speaking of weird Insight shit, have we talked about these new WMX200's? I've never seen these. Looks like a handheld WMX in a modified version of their rotating mount.
http://i.imgur.com/MDIhu0J.jpg Great catch, and no, I don't believe we've seen or discussed these before. I'm the one that posted the pic and I didn't even notice it. Thought it was just the standard rotation mount WMX. Kind of interesting, would be cool to find a model number or more information. There seems to be a few different versions of the WMX that are rare and hard to get information on like the IR high-output version. It's a bummer that they're so hard to get ahold of being such a great, versatile light. I had an IR-H rotational mount WMX, but traded it away. Augee has it now. ETA: There are a bunch of pics with these weird clamp WMX200's near the bottom of Pg 1000. |
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"Adding a piston to an AR is like nailing more legs to a dog and calling it an octopus." - Chapman
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Lahey Crockett- King of the Wild Frontier
WI, USA
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Originally Posted By sweatpants:
I've received several messages regarding AU and SF suppressors Here is my current timeline ... Jun 29 - I purchase the suppressor from AU Jul 07 - AU contacts me for FFL information Jul 07 - My FFL sends his information to AU ??? ?? - AU submits their F3 ??? ?? - F3 approved by ATF Sep 15 - AU ships my suppressor to my dealer View Quote So there is hope, I may have to order one after all. |
They're made from 80% forgings produced in China from recycled Natty Light cans- Bedouin2W
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Originally Posted By RifleManWI:
So there is hope, I may have to order one after all. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RifleManWI:
Originally Posted By sweatpants:
I've received several messages regarding AU and SF suppressors Here is my current timeline ... Jun 29 - I purchase the suppressor from AU Jul 07 - AU contacts me for FFL information Jul 07 - My FFL sends his information to AU ??? ?? - AU submits their F3 ??? ?? - F3 approved by ATF Sep 15 - AU ships my suppressor to my dealer So there is hope, I may have to order one after all. Doooo itttttt. |
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In the absence of a plan, move toward the sound of gunfire and kill everything.
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There are only two things i can't stand:
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Originally Posted By dylang32:
Action pics from this weekends training class http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j107/dylang32/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_3569_zps0886685f.jpg http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j107/dylang32/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_3565_zps2b008407.jpghttp://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j107/dylang32/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_3563_zps8362230b.jpg http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j107/dylang32/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_3559_zps10f9b265.jpg View Quote We need more of this in here. Props to the dude behind you running the old school Triji reflex |
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In the absence of a plan, move toward the sound of gunfire and kill everything.
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