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Posted: 3/16/2014 2:38:14 AM EDT
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When discussing the Mk 18 / CQBR program, we can divide the history and discussion in to two distinct categories: 1) The weapon system itself / upper receiver supplied and 2) the group of accessories deployed on said weapon systems (SOPMOD).
---------- Mk 18 Mod 0 / CQBR The M4 carbine and M16 are not ideally suited for all missions, so it was proposed that the modularity of the M16 series would allow a user to replace the upper receiver of an existing weapon with one more suitable to the task. One of two proposed special mission receivers that were planned for inclusion into the SOPMOD Block II kit, the CQBR has taken off on its own. Like the proposed Special Purpose Receiver, the Close Quarters Battle Receiver has been more or less taken on by the Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane Division (often referred to as NSWC-Crane or just "Crane") as its own project following the CQBR's removal from the SOPMOD program. Just as the Special Purpose Receiver morphed into the Special Purpose Rifle, and was type-classified as Mk 12 Mod 0/1, the complete CQBR-equipped carbine has been type-classified as the Mk 18 Mod 0. The purpose of the CQBR remains to provide operators with a weapon of submachine gun size, but firing a rifle cartridge, for scenarios such as VIP protection, urban warfare, and other close quarters battle (CQB) situations. The CQBR is designed to provide improvement over previous AR-15/M16-type weapons in this category. The CQBR is usually issued as a complete weapon system, and not just an upper receiver. The CQBR was once only available to Naval Special Warfare units, but the Mk 18 Mod 0 has become general issue for Visit, Board, Search, and Seizure (VBSS) missions and, as of 2006, for NCIS agents deploying to active combat zones.[citation needed] The Mk 18 is also used by the Coast Guard's Tactical Law Enforcement Teams, Maritime Safety and Security Teams, and Maritime Security Response Team and the United States Navy's Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) Operators. Wikipedia has a good article with sources on the original CQBR/Mk 18 Mod 0 and its development. ---------- SOPMOD The SOPMOD Program Management Office at NSWC Crane, IN, provides standardized, versatile weapons accessories to meet needs across SOF mission scenarios. These accessories increase operator survivability and lethality by enhanced weapon performance, target acquisition, signature suppression, and fire control. The CQBR itself was originally part of the SOPMOD program as an accessory replacement upper receiver for the M4. However it was eventually separated out into its own project. SOPMOD accessories for the M4/CQBR originally included things like the KAC RIS/RAS, SOPMOD stock, KAC M4QD suppressor, AN/PEQ-2 illuminator/laser, ECOS-N red dot, ACOG, etc The SOPMOD program has gone through multiple minor and major evolutions throughout its lifetime. The most significant is commonly defined as "Block II" and included the introduction/replacement of accessories that met the updated needs of operators. The most visually significant "Block II" accessory is probably the replacement of the KAC rail/FSB with the Daniel Defense RIS II free float rail with low-profile gas block. Other updates include things like the Surefire SOCOM sound suppressor, EOTech RDS (553/SU-231 & EXPS 3-0/SU-231a), LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL, etc ---------- Link to docs and photo albums Presentation on CQBR from Crane Operator's Manual for Mk 18 Mod 0 SOPMOD Program Overview presentation from Crane Photo Album of Mk 18 Mod 0 Photo Album of CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories ---------- Because of the long history of both the CQBR/Mk 18 and SOPMOD programs, it's common to find weapons with various mixed configurations in the field, all depending on what time and unit the weapon system belongs to. Below are a few examples with descriptions to illustrate this. Example of a Mk 18 Mod 0 in as-issued configuration including: M16A1 surplus lower receiver, SOPMOD buttstock, KAC RIS, KAC M4QD flash hider, Aimpoint Comp M2 in Wilcox mount, LMT rear fixed sight, CQD rear sling plate. NSW Operator CQBRs with original SOPMOD accessories including KAC M4QD sound suppressor and AN/PEQ-2 IR Illuminator/Laser. Member of a Combat Camera team with a CQBR with KAC RAS and M4QD flash hider but with other updated accessories from the "Block II" SOPMOD kit including SU-231a (EOTech EXPS 3-0), EOTech G33 Magnifier, LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL, Insight WMX-200. Good example of "early" CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories including SU-231 (EOTech 553) and SU-233 (Insight M3x weaponlight). Example of a more "modern" CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories including the updated SU-231a (EOTech EXPS 3-0) and Insight WMX-200 weaponlight. Many times certain configurations are common within certain branches/groups. Here a Marine Raider is seen with a CQBR with an AN/PEQ-16 (USMC issued vs. the LA-5/PEQ SOCOM issued ATPIAL) and KAC NT4 suppressor (vs. the current Surefire SOCOM suppressor). ---------- Building a clone If you're interested in building a "clone" of a Mk 18 or CQBR equipped M4A1, here is a basic parts list to use as a guide and get you started. This list is not exhaustive and see the * note above regarding personalized accessories. | Mk 18 Mod 0 | M4A1 CQBR Block I | M4A1 CQBR Block II Lower Receiver | Mil-spec forged A1 | Mil-spec forged A2 | Mil-spec forged A2 Stock | Gen 1 SOPMOD (Black) | M4, CAR, SOPMOD, CTR & others | M4, CAR, SOPMOD, CTR & others Pistol Grip | A1 | A2, ERGO & others | A2, ERGO & others Rear Sling Plate | CQD | CQD | CQD Upper Receiver | Mil-spec forged M4 profile | Mil-spec forged M4 profile | Mil-spec forged M4 profile Barrel | 10.3" | 10.3" | 10.3" Rail | KAC RIS | KAC RAS | DD Mk18 RIS II (FDE) Rear BUIS | LMT Fixed | LMT Fixed, MATECH, & others | MATECH, KAC 300m, & others Front Sight | A2 FSB | A2 FSB | KAC 99051 BUIS (Taupe) Front Sling Attachment | FSB Sling Swivel | FSB Sling Swivel | CQD Muzzle Device | KAC M4QD | KAC M4QD | SureFire FH-556-RC Supressor | None | KAC QDSS NT4 | SureFire SOCOM556-RC (FDE) LAM | None | PEQ-2 | LA-5 Weaponlight | SureFire M962 | SureFire M952, M962 | Insight M3X (Tan), Insight WMX200 (Bronze) Optic | Aimpoint Comp M2 in Wilcox Mount | Aimpoint Comp M2 in QRP Mount, ACOG | EOTech 553 (Tan), EOTech EXPS3-0 (Tan), ELCAN 1-4x (FDE) ---------- Link to previous threads Previous Mk 18 / CQBR Thread Part I Previous Mk 18 / CQBR Thread Part II |
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Originally Posted By justin51:
Recently got a RIS II for my build that is currently in a pistol configuration (SBA3). Need input on my next big purchase: convert to SBR, or get a can? I'm not super worried about being 100% correct with this build, but I'd definitely like to add to what I have by making/getting NFA items. What do you guys think? View Quote |
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Get the can started, then save if necessary and get the SBR stamp sometime while you're waiting on the suppressor. You'll have plenty of time for the latter ;p.
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Originally Posted By cone256: Well the SBR will only take 3 weeks if you efile whereas the can will take 15 months. Your pick View Quote |
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Can first and sbr while you wait
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The man formerly known as @fastersloww
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I survived the California MagRush 3/29/19 - 4/5/19
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Originally Posted By justin51:
Can't believe I forgot about this. Is there any specific link to go to? I have zero NFA items, so I just want to get started. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By justin51:
Originally Posted By cone256: Well the SBR will only take 3 weeks if you efile whereas the can will take 15 months. Your pick Click eForms and create an account. |
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Originally Posted By krdt:
https://www.atfonline.gov/default.htm Click eForms and create an account. View Quote |
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I'n now going to spend so much more money than I should be now
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Originally Posted By MrKV:
Was that as an individual?? Did mine late night on 6/10, I'm on a trust, 1 RP View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By SiVisPacem:
For when the CQB gets REALLY CQ... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/242045/ECQBR_jpg-987685.JPG View Quote |
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God Bless Our LEOs, Especially Lake Arthur Reserve
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I will not compromise!
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Originally Posted By Jlgil73: How far back is the before pic? It looks good. View Quote Attached File |
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My last one was 139 days :\.
That's counting 35 days of govt shutdown, but still not that great. Mostly depends on whether you get an instant proceed on your NICS or not. |
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Originally Posted By krdt:
My last one was 139 days :\. That's counting 35 days of govt shutdown, but still not that great. Mostly depends on whether you get an instant proceed on your NICS or not. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By krdt:
My last one was 139 days :\. That's counting 35 days of govt shutdown, but still not that great. Mostly depends on whether you get an instant proceed on your NICS or not. View Quote I have a damn clearance for Christ's sake |
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Originally Posted By wissota4:
Lol, thats why we told you to cancel and efile. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Bhavin22:
Yes I know but I really wasn’t in a hurry and for my first stamp I wanted a physical stamp. Silly I know but I am the first in my group of shooting buddies to get a nfa stamp. Now I just need a year to fly by so I can get my two can approvals. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By MrKV:
I never get instant... Would a upin help with that? I've heard conflicting statements I have a damn clearance for Christ's sake View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MrKV:
Originally Posted By krdt:
My last one was 139 days :\. That's counting 35 days of govt shutdown, but still not that great. Mostly depends on whether you get an instant proceed on your NICS or not. I have a damn clearance for Christ's sake That said, I've heard of more than one case where someone got a delay even after receiving their UPIN. When that happens, I think it probably comes down to the specific reason you're getting a delay. For example, someone getting a delay due to having a name that is the same or very similar to that of a prohibited person, versus someone with say, an arrest for a charge that would make them a prohibited possessor but that was later pleaded down or dismissed. Likely the UPIN would help in the latter case, but perhaps not in the former... but that's just speculation. If you know you regularly get delayed, I'd expect around 3 months or more, depending on the current backlog at the FBI. ETA: Got to thinking about it, and really a UPIN should be exactly what would help with a similar name type delay; but then again, so should providing your SSN#. Who knows - it's the government :\. |
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I have always wondered if there is any cross check with other federal gov't registries on things like this, potentially speeding them up.
The FBI has had my finger prints for almost 12 years for being FINRA securities licensed. I had to go through deep FBI background checks and get finger printed when i passed the Series 6 and Series 7 exams years ago. I read somewhere that if you have recent NICS checks for other NFA items, you can call the ATF and ask them to use the recent NICS check for an approved form 1 on things like a form 4 for suppressors. I plan on testing the theory, I have 2 pending form 4's for background right now for 2 Surefire SB's i bought in March. Last 3 e-files were 22 calendar days, submitted another 2 on 6/9, prints received on 6/12/19. Today is day 12. Once approved I will make the call to the ATF and see if they can move the form 4's through. |
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Originally Posted By JLAudio:
I have always wondered if there is any cross check with other federal gov't registries on things like this, potentially speeding them up. The FBI has had my finger prints for almost 12 years for being FINRA securities licensed. I had to go through deep FBI background checks and get finger printed when i passed the Series 6 and Series 7 exams years ago. I read somewhere that if you have recent NICS checks for other NFA items, you can call the ATF and ask them to use the recent NICS check for an approved form 1 on things like a form 4 for suppressors. I plan on testing the theory, I have 2 pending form 4's for background right now for 2 Surefire SB's i bought in March. Last 3 e-files were 22 calendar days, submitted another 2 on 6/9, prints received on 6/12/19. Today is day 12. Once approved I will make the call to the ATF and see if they can move the form 4's through. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By krdt: I can pretty much guarantee you they won't unless the Form 4s are already awaiting a background check. There seems to be an exception if you have 9 or more stamps pending, in which case they have been batch approving those. But, if your F4s are yet to be assigned to an examiner or not yet to the actual background check stage, they won't expedite them; they only apply approved background checks to other forms that are currently pending BGC before approval. View Quote it's a long shot but i am going to give it a try |
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Originally Posted By JLAudio:
form 4's are awaiting the background check. i purposely waited on filing the form 1's, calling a week prior to verify the form 4's status. it's a long shot but i am going to give it a try View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JLAudio:
Originally Posted By krdt: I can pretty much guarantee you they won't unless the Form 4s are already awaiting a background check. There seems to be an exception if you have 9 or more stamps pending, in which case they have been batch approving those. But, if your F4s are yet to be assigned to an examiner or not yet to the actual background check stage, they won't expedite them; they only apply approved background checks to other forms that are currently pending BGC before approval. it's a long shot but i am going to give it a try I'm planning on submitting an eFile when my NT4 F4 is around 220 days (I'll base it on the average wait times when I do it) and try to shave 3-4 months off my wait ;D. |
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Wait, are you saying you submitted the F4s in March 2018 or March 2019? If you bought in March 2019 and you're already pending background, that is crazy.
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Originally Posted By krdt:
Wait, are you saying you submitted the F4s in March 2018 or March 2019? If you bought in March 2019 and you're already pending background, that is crazy. View Quote ETA.. Ill try to get a upin and see if that helps before my next purchase.. I put my ssn everytime too |
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Originally Posted By MrKV: Exactly. Submitted my 4 in March and I'm not at that stage yet ETA.. Ill try to get a upin and see if that helps before my next purchase.. I put my ssn everytime too View Quote Of course, we'll need to see more approvals with 11/18 or newer cashed dates to see if wait times are really trending downward. My NT4 F4 went pending April, 3rd and is at 78 days. I wasn't even planning to call for an update until 6 months or so... but if JLAudio is really already pending background, I might need to go ahead and call, lol. |
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Coming along. I am sticking with the AAC can. Just a few parts and she is done. I am swapping out CMC trigger with a Colt FCG and ditching KNS pins. Getting there. Once it is done I will do some glamour shots |
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Jeez my F1 took almost a year a couple years back - Efiled/Trust.
I have a another lower engraved and ready to go, I need to Efile it, but not sure if I should do trust still or just individual. My previous two cans were about the same time and took ~13 months, on a trust. I bought a ThunderBeast about 3 months ago and did individual on it this time. Maybe by the end of the year I am thinking. Anyway, I guess for new F1, individual is the way to go now? |
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Originally Posted By DoctorLove:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/324355/FBBC76C6-189E-4448-B1CE-B7AA2BDA93FC_jpeg-988387.JPG Coming along. I am sticking with the AAC can. Just a few parts and she is done. I am swapping out CMC trigger with a Colt FCG and ditching KNS pins. Getting there. Once it is done I will do some glamour shots View Quote |
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Originally Posted By 78Staff:
Jeez my F1 took almost a year a couple years back - Efiled/Trust. I have a another lower engraved and ready to go, I need to Efile it, but not sure if I should do trust still or just individual. My previous two cans were about the same time and took ~13 months, on a trust. I bought a ThunderBeast about 3 months ago and did individual on it this time. Maybe by the end of the year I am thinking. Anyway, I guess for new F1, individual is the way to go now? View Quote Originally Posted By oneofus:
sopmod stock question: There seems to be two different "tanish" colors for the stock from b5, FDE (matches magpul) and Coyote (more brown/bronze) which of these are considered the correct tan shade? or are neither technically correct and black gen 1 is the only right answer? https://www.recoilweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/B5-FDE-vs-LMT-FDE.jpg View Quote ETA: Whatever you do, don't get the Gen II B5 "FDE"... it is nasty. Way, way too light. |
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Originally Posted By oneofus:
sopmod stock question: There seems to be two different "tanish" colors for the stock from b5, FDE (matches magpul) and Coyote (more brown/bronze) which of these are considered the correct tan shade? or are neither technically correct and black gen 1 is the only right answer? https://www.recoilweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/B5-FDE-vs-LMT-FDE.jpg View Quote CD |
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Originally Posted By SiVisPacem:
For when the CQB gets REALLY CQ... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/242045/ECQBR_jpg-987685.JPG View Quote |
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So what variant's of M600 Scout light are acceptable? Picture references are a bonus. Have the WMX200 on there currently and damn if it didn't take me along time to get it but it really is a trash light for the price so has me second guessing if I want to run it or not.
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