Well done. Fuck you Troy. Just know, you could have made a few sales here recently from me. Hope this is worth it. "Throw a man to the wolves".

GTFO

Hmm, stopped by the LGS today and saw a Troy 18' rifle that I was interested in. Liked the length of the barrel, that rail was slim, light and although that stock was a bit funky it worked and was comfortable. Only thing I hated was the grip (that sucked, but I could have changed it out). Was thinking about buying it, so I decided to do a bit of research before buying it.. At the end of a long thread on m4carbine.net there were a ton of reviews on it there was a link linking Lon Horiuchi/Dale Monroe with Troy and HS Precision. I clicked on it and started reading. That led me to page after page talking about this.

One of the better articles...

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/08/daniel-zimmerman/what-the-hells-the-problem-with-troy-industries/

I don't know where the fuck I was during August, but I hadn't heard about any of this before. I remember the thing about HS Precision (I bought a McMillan stock and been happier as a result a couple different way), but not this.

Wow, what a stupid move in both hiring an anti-gun Chicago cop and Lon Horiuchi's partner who went on to defend his partners actions before Congress and also stated that he was preparing to fire (when no one was in danger), but that Horiuchi fired first.

http://articles.latimes.com/1995-09-15/news/mn-46142_1_ruby-ridge



So suffice it to say that I won't be buying that Troy rifle. No, $1,100 for you. I own some of their H&K style flip-up BUIS and I won't be smashing/burning them in symbolic protest (I bought them before Troy felt it was okay to side with a guy just 'cause that guy's a former cop rather than worrying about shit like religious freedom, an intrusive government, government agents feeling that it's okay to murder civilians that disagree with them and so on), but I won't be ever buying anything else of theirs.

His business, he can run it into the ground if he wants to. I'll vote on their employment decision with my dollars and go elsewhere. Nothing I can't live without.

It also didn't help that in the reviews their bolts on these rifles broke and that their BCG's on them were improperly staked in a bunch of examples as well.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?108277-Troy-Industries-complete-rifle/page33

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?108277-Troy-Industries-complete-rifle/page34

So yeah, there's that too. Whew, dodged a bullet. Fuck em, I'll just buy another Noveske or maybe a LaRue (at least those guys are/were patriots).

I won't buy anything of there's again.  That includes all the troy sights.  From here on its KAC sights and I really don't care for there stuff because it's over price but I'm not buying from what I feel is potentially a wolf in sheeps clothing.  After learning of this silliness I wouldn't accept FREE merchandise.  This is absurd.  

I hope dale is bringing in a lot of JBT training business to make up for the lost sales.  His salary is turning out to be very high indeed.  Must be a hell of an instructor.

I've bought rifles from PWS, LWRC, and ST since this all started.  None of them have a single troy part.

oh my god...wow. just wow...I didnt even know of this incident until about 12 hours ago when I started reading..back in 92 when this went down i was only 6 years old, but anyways, after hours and hours of reading, I am done with Troy products. I was going to order sights, but not anymore. Now I'm happy to pay the higher price for KAC sights. good bye Troy. You lose.

Who let the fox in the hen house....wtf!

Just to hold the line, I've got a Noveske build going. No Noveske/Troy sights for me. Magpul Pros for me.

I also saw battlemags for $10 at a local shop. This is what I always ran my 300 BO in. A nice big pass on those too. No more.

I rebuilt my Colt 6920. Took the fixed front and Troy rear off and replaced them with MBUS Pros.

Love your VFG and sights.  Best out there bar none.

I will keep looking for replacements as you will never see any cash from me again.

Another build lined up.  Another MI rail purchased. :(

Speaks volumes that Troy hasn't been back to address this issue....

Well I am in need of some new sights and I think I am going Magpul MBUIS Pro
Troy has fumbled quite a bit lately and as a result Troy won't be seeing any of my money either....

It would surprise me if they chose to renew their industry status here.

If I were the Avila's, I'd have already terminated their Industry Acct.

Who cares if Troy hires government thugs that publicly terrorized and murdered people?  Dude doesn't stand behind his product anyway.  Troy is probably the only American gun industry manufacturer that doesn't.

NBD, move along.  There are plenty others in the industry to take up the slack.

I bought one rail from them, it arrived broken, I immediately called them up and they refused to replace it.  Scumbags.  I didn't need to know anything about their shitty company.  The rail is a piece of shit that relies on terrible engineering and parts.  Junk made by scumbags.

Did I mention they're bad?

i wonder how many troy haters posted in this thread saying they'll never buy another troy product placed an order over the 4th of july weekend?

- I'm not cancelling anything.
- If the price increases on my card I'm disputing the charge and Troy can have fun with that 100% loss.

I was about to make a purchase at Troy Ind. but after I kept reading about what they have done, fuck them. No discount makes up for the stance they have taken. Fuck Troy.

Not me.
The only Troy stuff I own is a set of LWRCI branded sights that came on my 10.5" upper. And I put them on an upper I got for my father, so I don't even have them..
But I will be getting another set of Magpul iron back ups to put on there...

Not here.

Not only did I refuse to order anything from them, I talked 2 others out of ordering from them.
They called me to make sure I saw the big sale (not so big after all) and I schooled them on the history of Troy's new hires. They were shocked to say the least and didn't press the order button either. I then pointed them to other sales I had found over the Independence Day weekend from manufacturers and vendors who share our values.

First I have heard of this.  I have always been a big fan of their sights but can't support a company with these ethics.  Have already started spreading the news among my gun-part-buying friends.

I did not/will not buy anything from Troy until their moral compass finds a new bearing.
I actually need a few pairs of BUIS but they screwed the pooch on their sights with the new universal design anyway.
Sorry, but Troy can keep their "universal" NATO sights and their big stack of coupons as my money is going elsewhere...

Hopefully the coupon stack thing was intentional to get some dust covered inventory out of their warehouse

Same here, no way even if they are 90% off.

I for one did not and will not.  They made their bed and can keep the fleas.

I see mention of this a lot now when someone asks about a troy product  on other sites.

I keep checking back here to see if they've gone out of business yet.

well, i sorta got the gist of whats going on here.

i was sold on an alpha rail.. anyone want to recommend me another?

I have several Midwest Industries hand guards. They have a pretty good variety of lengths for their super slim, key mod and new Magpul M-Lok free float rails. Plus, I've never read anything bad about their products let alone anything close to this garbage. Also, all of their rifle parts are American made.

My thoughts as well.

Troy screwed up too many times recently. The 4th of July sale was double screwed (stacking & "extra" savings email) and the nail in the coffin.

I'm just waiting for them to drop Arf, to see the OEMs drop Troy, and to see them close their doors.

Troy "JBT" Industries.



Former customer who used to love troy.

My first post as a new user- I was trying to do some research on Troy's SDMR and found a lot of anti-Troy sentiment. Further research into it reveals the Weis and Monroe issues. I read Steve's post above, but then found out he fired Weis........that doesn't jive with his "choose to do what's right, even if my stance goes against others opinion." Looks like with Weis, he cow towed to others' opinions.  So between that and Monroe, I've decided against a SDMR.

Damn. I was all excited when I saw the new carbon fiber forearms, but bummed when I saw no further action had been taken on this issue.

MI, here I come...

Shake my head every time I run into troy products at the store or online.

Not a dime from me every again.

I had a Troy Alpha Rail or Midwest SSK as potentials on the wishlist for my "some day" second build. Heck, the Midwest rail for only $10 more, and keymod to boot!!. Neato!! I love it when questions answer themselves. Thanx Steve.

dropped in to say this!
bye

I with Troy Ind would just die off already.  Never a dime of my money...

I just picked up a 15" UTG PRO rail, made in USA, KeyMod for $159 - gotta say it's surprisingly NICE.  no more alpha rails for me.

Get fucked with a bloody Ebola dick Troy.

As was posted above, I missed the story on this.

I find it interesting that many of the premier heavily supported companies here, such as Bravo, do stock parts, sell and assemble uppers using Troy parts...  They have a different view?

I don't have any Troy and now, won't.

Wow, I can't believe this whole fiasco escaped me till now. Just in time though as I am planning a build. No more Troy parts for me. The fact that so many former Troy fans and customers are completely outraged by the continued employment of Monroe and the owners of the company stand by this decision seems like business suicide to me. I will be sure to pass this along to every gun enthusiast that I think could be a potential customer. You reap what you sow!!

Hello, all -
Just want to make sure that you are all aware that neither Dale Monroe nor Jody Weis are affiliated with any TROY Division in any capacity and they have not been since this story broke in August 2013.  Any reference you see to continued employment is completely untrue. You do have a choice, we understand this.  All we ask is that you judge our accessories and weapons on their features, benefits and value.  We are changing our internal processes to avoid programming mistakes like the July 4th code stacking sale; the Thanksgiving Day Sale was such an unprecedented success that we are STILL trying to get caught up with the last of the Bravo rifle orders.

For those of you that have taken the time to reach out for clarification via Facebook post or private message, we appreciate the opportunity to address your concerns one on one.  We thank you for actively listening and getting the most current information.  You'll see us around here a lot more!  It's just another one of the internal changes that we have made to (attempt!) to keep our loyal fans satisfied and to bring in new folks into the TROY family.

Thank you and Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and a joyful 2015 to all of you.

While Dale may no longer be employed by Troy Industries, you made it clear 16 months ago where Troy Industries stood on the matter.  While he may have moved on, or you may have tried to backtrack, and 'throw this man to the wolves', I and many others will keep out oaths, to never purchase Troy produces again.

Thanks for the update Troy. I support you and appreciate what you do.
I'll continue to be a loyal customer.

Too little, too late

F troy

And that is your choice.  TROY will continue to grow and improve, bringing top quality American made products to our industry.  Perhaps someday you will reconsider and allow our products to speak for themselves.  A prosperous New Year to you, TROY.

Thank you for your support.  Happy New Year to you and yours!

It's never too late to make sure that people have the current information.  Happy New Year to you.

And that is your choice. TROY will continue to grow and improve, bringing top quality American made products to our industry. Perhaps someday you will reconsider and allow our products to speak for themselves. A prosperous New Year to you, TROY.

What is this "current information"? An employee that had Troys full support is no longer fully supported, endorsed and employed? Why the change of heart?
In the OP, Steve Troy stated that he would not "throw him to the wolves" in regard to Monroe. What has changed?
Troy products have spoken for themselves but that is not what this discussion is about. This controversy arose from the leader of the Troy companies speaking for himself and his companies regarding a personnel decision. There are many competitors of Troy that create and market quality products, as consumers we have the freedom to take into account everything about a company when we choose where our dollars are spent.

To repeat, what is this "current information"? Perhaps Steve Troy should respond, to try to put an end on this thread that he began.