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Interesting status report from Valley Guns in West Virginia : Status of gun industry Attention F.B. fans: to follow will be several IMPORTANT Info updates about the status of the gun industry currently, followed by an INVENTORY UPDATE: We traveled to Texas for Industry meetings concerning the shortages, here's what we were told. Smith & Wesson-is running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages. RUGER: Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days. FNH: Moving from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1. Remington-Maxed out! Armalite: Maxed out. DPMS: Can't get enough parts to produce any more product. COLT: Production runs increasing weekly...bottle necked by Bolt carrier's. LWRC:Making only black guns, running at full capacity...can't get enough gun quality steel to make barrels. Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are running 30-45 days behind. AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We are looking at a nation wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months. All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ of 1 BILLION rounds produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in line. MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large quantities of magpul anytime soon. RELOADERS... ALL Remington, Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no extra's for reloading purposes... it could be 6-9 months before things get caught up. Sorry for the bleak news, but now we know what to expect in the coming months. Stay tuned, we'll keep you posted... Related commentary from Bob Owens : They didn’t know when they’d be getting anything back in stock, from magazines to rifles to pistols. Manufacturers were running full-bore, but couldn’t come close to keeping up with market demand. It wasn’t just the AR-15s, the AK-pattern rifles, the M1As, and the FALs that were sold out. It really hit me when I realized that the World War-era M1 Garands, M1 carbines, and Enfield .303s were gone, along with every last shell. Ubiquitous Mosin-Nagants—of which every gun store always seems to have 10-20—were gone. So was their ammo. Only a dust free space marked their passing. I’ve never seen anything like it. Every weapon of military utility designed within the past 100+ years was gone. This isn’t a society stocking up on certain guns because they fear they may be banned. This is a society preparing for war. Barack Obama, Dianne Feinstein and the rest of the Statists have done more to promote gun ownership than the NRA ever did. Well done, Democrats! http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/01/update-status-of-gun-industry.html |
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Looks like the rest of the year will be pretty bleak.......Well the nation is armed so what next
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Ya know, if the "industry" really wanted to make a statement about the state of affairs we are all currently in, maybe they should stop servicing and taking government contracts. They can start with NYPD, Chicago PD, SanFran PD, etc, etc. I do not mean to offend any LEOs out there, I just think that simple act of defiance would really resonate with the powers that be not to mess with the citizenry.
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Ya know, if the "industry" really wanted to make a statement about the state of affairs we are all currently in, maybe they should stop servicing and taking government contracts. They can start with NYPD, Chicago PD, SanFran PD, etc, etc. I do not mean to offend any LEOs out there, I just think that simple act of defiance would really resonate with the powers that be not to mess with the citizenry. I remember reading that DHS bought several million rounds of something or the other ... that's not a bugger on the nose of 1 billion rounds per week. |
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Glad I stocked up on primers....and powder...and bullets...and lead...and bullet molds....and guns.....
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I keep seeing that 1 million mag figure about magpul. I'd really like to see a magpul source on it since they're so secretive. It makes me doubt other parts of the list.
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I keep seeing that 1 million mag figure about magpul. I'd really like to see a magpul source on it since they're so secretive. It makes me doubt other parts of the list. Speaking of numbers - 300 million guns in America ... 1 million mags is just that 1/3 of 1 %. Bet it's shy a few mags. |
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I keep seeing that 1 million mag figure about magpul. I'd really like to see a magpul source on it since they're so secretive. It makes me doubt other parts of the list. Speaking of numbers - 300 million guns in America ... 1 million mags is just that 1/3 of 1 %. Bet it's shy a few mags. I bet it's well over 300 million by now. |
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Thanks for sharing and it is looking like a slim year..
Good luck everyone!!!! |
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Makes me wonder if the anti-gun dems are somehow getting paid...they (and gun/accessory manufacturers) must know that anything they say causes beaucoup money to be spent.
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Makes me wonder if the anti-gun dems are somehow getting paid...they (and gun/accessory manufacturers) must know that anything they say causes beaucoup money to be spent. I wouldn't be surprised if they are making money off this as well. They're getting paid - but they're also printing the money to pay themselves. So let's call it a whitewash. |
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Ya know, if the "industry" really wanted to make a statement about the state of affairs we are all currently in, maybe they should stop servicing and taking government contracts. They can start with NYPD, Chicago PD, SanFran PD, etc, etc. I do not mean to offend any LEOs out there, I just think that simple act of defiance would really resonate with the powers that be not to mess with the citizenry. I remember reading that DHS bought several million rounds of something or the other ... that's not a bugger on the nose of 1 billion rounds per week. Actually, they bought 450 million rounds of .40 S&W, and 750 million rounds of 5.56MM...... Okay, so a week's worth of annual production. I was told that America had underground salt mines filled to the brim with warfighting ammo on Sept. 11, 2001 - since then, they've all been emptied and it's all shot up. |
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Copied here without comment ... Interesting status report from Valley Guns in West Virginia : Status of gun industry Attention F.B. fans: to follow will be several IMPORTANT Info updates about the status of the gun industry currently, followed by an INVENTORY UPDATE: We traveled to Texas for Industry meetings concerning the shortages, here's what we were told. Smith & Wesson-is running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages. REMINGTON/BUSHMASTER: 750-800 AR type rifles a day! RUGER: Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days. FNH: Moving from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1. Remington-Maxed out! Armalite: Maxed out. DPMS: Can't get enough parts to produce any more product. COLT: Production runs increasing weekly...bottle necked by Bolt carrier's. LWRC:Making only black guns, running at full capacity...can't get enough gun quality steel to make barrels. Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are running 30-45 days behind. AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We are looking at a nation wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months. All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ of 1 BILLION rounds produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in line. MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large quantities of magpul anytime soon. RELOADERS... ALL Remington, Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no extra's for reloading purposes... it could be 6-9 months before things get caught up. Sorry for the bleak news, but now we know what to expect in the coming months. Stay tuned, we'll keep you posted... Related commentary from Bob Owens : They didn’t know when they’d be getting anything back in stock, from magazines to rifles to pistols. Manufacturers were running full-bore, but couldn’t come close to keeping up with market demand. It wasn’t just the AR-15s, the AK-pattern rifles, the M1As, and the FALs that were sold out. It really hit me when I realized that the World War-era M1 Garands, M1 carbines, and Enfield .303s were gone, along with every last shell. Ubiquitous Mosin-Nagants—of which every gun store always seems to have 10-20—were gone. So was their ammo. Only a dust free space marked their passing. I’ve never seen anything like it. Every weapon of military utility designed within the past 100+ years was gone. This isn’t a society stocking up on certain guns because they fear they may be banned. This is a society preparing for war. Barack Obama, Dianne Feinstein and the rest of the Statists have done more to promote gun ownership than the NRA ever did. Well done, Democrats! http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/01/update-status-of-gun-industry.html There fixed it for ya! |
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LWRC:Making only black guns, running at full capacity...can't get enough gun quality steel to make barrels.
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Copied here without comment ... Interesting status report from Valley Guns in West Virginia : Status of gun industry Attention F.B. fans: to follow will be several IMPORTANT Info updates about the status of the gun industry currently, followed by an INVENTORY UPDATE: We traveled to Texas for Industry meetings concerning the shortages, here's what we were told. Smith & Wesson-is running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages. RUGER: Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days. FNH: Moving from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1. Remington-Maxed out! Armalite: Maxed out. DPMS: Can't get enough parts to produce any more product. COLT: Production runs increasing weekly...bottle necked by Bolt carrier's. LWRC:Making only black guns, running at full capacity...can't get enough gun quality steel to make barrels. Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are running 30-45 days behind. AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We are looking at a nation wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months. All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ of 1 BILLION rounds produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in line. MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large quantities of magpul anytime soon. RELOADERS... ALL Remington, Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no extra's for reloading purposes... it could be 6-9 months before things get caught up. Sorry for the bleak news, but now we know what to expect in the coming months. Stay tuned, we'll keep you posted... Related commentary from Bob Owens : They didn’t know when they’d be getting anything back in stock, from magazines to rifles to pistols. Manufacturers were running full-bore, but couldn’t come close to keeping up with market demand. It wasn’t just the AR-15s, the AK-pattern rifles, the M1As, and the FALs that were sold out. It really hit me when I realized that the World War-era M1 Garands, M1 carbines, and Enfield .303s were gone, along with every last shell. Ubiquitous Mosin-Nagants—of which every gun store always seems to have 10-20—were gone. So was their ammo. Only a dust free space marked their passing. I’ve never seen anything like it. Every weapon of military utility designed within the past 100+ years was gone. This isn’t a society stocking up on certain guns because they fear they may be banned. This is a society preparing for war. Barack Obama, Dianne Feinstein and the rest of the Statists have done more to promote gun ownership than the NRA ever did. Well done, Democrats! http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/01/update-status-of-gun-industry.html Dovetails with what I heard from multiple sources at SHOT. Right now, the biggest bottleneck in gun manufacturing is the lack of various types of steel. Really, everyone should have seen this coming. I bought all my powder and primers and brass in late 2011 when it was still available. PMags were very plentiful up to the week after the election last November (one of my distributors had over 200,000 in stock on Nov 8 2012). Provided we have no more serious problems such as more gun ban laws, another mentally ill type mass shooting, or a terrorist attack on US soil, it looks to be 2nd quarter of 2014 before we see any regular inventories again. The writing was clearly on the wall that this would happen if Oba Mao was reelected. |
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This Obama 2nd Amendment crap is way out of control. I'm happy that the gun manufacturers are busy beyond what anyone ever could have imagined but sad that my gun collection has come to a halt. I did get my LT OBR a year ago and that was the best $2K I've ever spent (actually more like $4500 with all the accessories). I did get a little ahead of the curve by purchasing over 1000 77g SMKs, brass, primers and powder.
I do know one thing though...I am prepared and the only way the democratic morons will ever get my guns is by prying it out of cold, dead hand. Rest assured, before they pry it out, they'll need more body bags than I have ammo as I know I'll be standing beside millions of other Texans and other TRUE Americans who feel the same way! Carry on my friends! Seriously, carry on (with that 1911, Glock, Sig, or whatever you carry). |
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"Barack Obama, Dianne Feinstein and the rest of the Statists have done more to promote gun ownership than the NRA ever did. Well done, Democrats!
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/01/update-status-of-gun-industry.html" dim-o-crats... let us call them by their proper name... COMMUNISTS! Flash |
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The fact that the American public is indeed preparing for war should scare the hell out of the left
Operative word is should. Proof positive they are insane. |
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Mark - DHS just bought 200,000 ADDITIONAL rounds bringing their total on order to 1.6 Billion rounds. They are also in the market for 7,000 additional evil, black, child scaring, liberal hating, bad dream inducing, military grade, machine gun assualt riles whose collapsible stocks induce selective fire.
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The fact that the American public is indeed preparing for war should scare the hell out of the left Operative word is should. Proof positive they are insane. I believe it is this fact alone that derailed the more insidious of the executive orders... Mark, thanks for the update from an insider perspective. That is some unreal numbers there... |
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So, at this rate, once I get the rest of my OBR, and then save up for the 3grand optic there might be a chance I can buy some ammo for it...cool. This sucks...I am sitting on a couple thousand rounds of 9, 45, and 556 which isn't much when I am going through a thousand a month between IDPA and practice...guess it's time to take it down to one match and one practice for a while.
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So if FNH is increasing production to 100% by March, is that going to translate to (5) additional 20 round magazines being produced per month or will we see (10) 20 round magazines per month? Either way, it should really help things on the ground in realville!
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Mark - DHS just bought 200,000 ADDITIONAL rounds bringing their total on order to 1.6 Billion rounds. They are also in the market for 7,000 additional evil, black, child scaring, liberal hating, bad dream inducing, military grade, machine gun assualt riles whose collapsible stocks induce selective fire. Damn, our little 10.5" full-auto would have been just the ticket for them to burn all that ammo up with. |
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"Barack Obama, Dianne Feinstein and the rest of the Statists have done more to promote gun ownership than the NRA ever did. Well done, Democrats! http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/01/update-status-of-gun-industry.html" dim-o-crats... let us call them by their proper name... COMMUNISTS! Flash Personally, I call them Demonrats!!!! |
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Mark - DHS just bought 200,000 ADDITIONAL rounds bringing their total on order to 1.6 Billion rounds. They are also in the market for 7,000 additional evil, black, child scaring, liberal hating, bad dream inducing, military grade, machine gun assualt riles whose collapsible stocks induce selective fire. Damn, our little 10.5" full-auto would have been just the ticket for them to burn all that ammo up with. I could burn up some Ammo with one... |
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Mark - DHS just bought 200,000 ADDITIONAL rounds bringing their total on order to 1.6 Billion rounds. They are also in the market for 7,000 additional evil, black, child scaring, liberal hating, bad dream inducing, military grade, machine gun assualt riles whose collapsible stocks induce selective fire. Damn, our little 10.5" full-auto would have been just the ticket for them to burn all that ammo up with. I could burn up some Ammo with one... +1 |
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I bought 5k rds 22lr for $24 a box of 525 recently because i predicted I wouldn't be shooting my stash of other calibers since I can't replenish. Looks like the only time I'll dust off other guns is after I buy the ammo to shoot.
A lot of the ammo problem from what I can see locally is people are buying up as much ammo as they can get and then trying to resell it for triple the amount they got it for to make money. Recently Midway had independance 5.56, and wideners had 5.56, and a week later the local gun trader was full of ads for both at $1 a round. I imagine if people stopped buying from them they would stop buying to resell. |
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Mark - DHS just bought 200,000 ADDITIONAL rounds bringing their total on order to 1.6 Billion rounds. They are also in the market for 7,000 additional evil, black, child scaring, liberal hating, bad dream inducing, military grade, machine gun assualt riles whose collapsible stocks induce selective fire. Actually they are looking to buy 7,000 "Personal Defense Weapons" otherwise known by the media as evil, black, child scaring, liberal hating, bad dream inducing, military grade, machine gun assualt riles whose collapsible stocks induce selective fire |
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I bought 5k rds 22lr for $24 a box of 525 recently because i predicted I wouldn't be shooting my stash of other calibers since I can't replenish. Looks like the only time I'll dust off other guns is after I buy the ammo to shoot. A lot of the ammo problem from what I can see locally is people are buying up as much ammo as they can get and then trying to resell it for triple the amount they got it for to make money. Recently Midway had independance 5.56, and wideners had 5.56, and a week later the local gun trader was full of ads for both at $1 a round. I imagine if people stopped buying from them they would stop buying to resell. You imagine wrong. Nature abhors a vacuum. |
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Mark - DHS just bought 200,000 ADDITIONAL rounds bringing their total on order to 1.6 Billion rounds. They are also in the market for 7,000 additional evil, black, child scaring, liberal hating, bad dream inducing, military grade, machine gun assualt riles whose collapsible stocks induce selective fire. Actually they are looking to buy 7,000 "Personal Defense Weapons" otherwise known by the media as evil, black, child scaring, liberal hating, bad dream inducing, military grade, machine gun assualt riles whose collapsible stocks induce selective fire I wonder who they might be personally defending themselves from? |
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I bought 5k rds 22lr for $24 a box of 525 recently because i predicted I wouldn't be shooting my stash of other calibers since I can't replenish. Looks like the only time I'll dust off other guns is after I buy the ammo to shoot. A lot of the ammo problem from what I can see locally is people are buying up as much ammo as they can get and then trying to resell it for triple the amount they got it for to make money. Recently Midway had independance 5.56, and wideners had 5.56, and a week later the local gun trader was full of ads for both at $1 a round. I imagine if people stopped buying from them they would stop buying to resell. You imagine wrong. Nature abhors a vacuum. I didn't say others wouldn't buy it. |
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Going back to the 1 billion rounds stat. That is 1 billion rounds of every caliber, not 1 billion rounds of 5.56, 7.62, .45,.40, 9x19. I am having a devil of a time finding just the few rounds I shoot. Early last year I sold off several guns in calibers that I didn't shoot too often and streamlined my collection to just a few defensive calibers and purchased better quality firearms, hence my LT PredatAR. I saw the political writing on the wall and then finished it off by voting against you know who to no avail. I also try not to believe too much hype out there and give too much credence to the conspiracy theories out there. And I am still struggling trying just to back fill my basic equipment needs.
Something tells me that I am not the only one out there. Thoughts??? |
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Mark - DHS just bought 200,000 ADDITIONAL rounds bringing their total on order to 1.6 Billion rounds. They are also in the market for 7,000 additional evil, black, child scaring, liberal hating, bad dream inducing, military grade, machine gun assualt riles whose collapsible stocks induce selective fire. Damn, our little 10.5" full-auto would have been just the ticket for them to burn all that ammo up with. Mark - photos and more importantly video of you or Fingar shooting said 10.5" or it didn't happen ;) |
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Ya know, if the "industry" really wanted to make a statement about the state of affairs we are all currently in, maybe they should stop servicing and taking government contracts. They can start with NYPD, Chicago PD, SanFran PD, etc, etc. I do not mean to offend any LEOs out there, I just think that simple act of defiance would really resonate with the powers that be not to mess with the citizenry. This! |
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Mark - DHS just bought 200,000 ADDITIONAL rounds bringing their total on order to 1.6 Billion rounds. They are also in the market for 7,000 additional evil, black, child scaring, liberal hating, bad dream inducing, military grade, machine gun assualt riles whose collapsible stocks induce selective fire. Damn, our little 10.5" full-auto would have been just the ticket for them to burn all that ammo up with. Need an icon of a smiley face drooling... |
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I keep seeing that 1 million mag figure about magpul. I'd really like to see a magpul source on it since they're so secretive. It makes me doubt other parts of the list. Speaking of numbers - 300 million guns in America ... 1 million mags is just that 1/3 of 1 %. Bet it's shy a few mags. I bet it's well over 300 million by now. It was at least 192 million in 1994. The NICSs count tells the rest of the story. |
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I keep seeing that 1 million mag figure about magpul. I'd really like to see a magpul source on it since they're so secretive. It makes me doubt other parts of the list. Speaking of numbers - 300 million guns in America ... 1 million mags is just that 1/3 of 1 %. Bet it's shy a few mags. I bet it's well over 300 million by now. It was at least 192 million in 1994. The NICSs count tells the rest of the story. You also have to take into consideration all the people who already own guns vs. first time gun buyers. I would be willing to bet that the people who already own guns far out number first time buyers... by a large margin! |
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So the government is buying everything?
Simple way to prevent stuff from getting into our hands I guess. Another trillion dollars. |
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I keep seeing that 1 million mag figure about magpul. I'd really like to see a magpul source on it since they're so secretive. It makes me doubt other parts of the list. Speaking of numbers - 300 million guns in America ... 1 million mags is just that 1/3 of 1 %. Bet it's shy a few mags. I bet it's well over 300 million by now. It was at least 192 million in 1994. The NICSs count tells the rest of the story. NICS is probably only accountable for about half (or less) of all new gun sales in the country. Many states use an alternate system through their own state, and many states that do use NICS don't require a NICS check for people with a CHL. |
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It's amazing how quickly things change.
I worked a table at the Austin gun show in November with a buddy as a favor. Amongst other things we had several boxes of p-mags at $13 ea., about 20 33 rd Glock mags for $30 ea. and about 15K rounds of 62gr green tip 5.56 ($410 per 1K). We only sold 2 p-mags and a box of 1k rounds that day. |
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Mark - DHS just bought 200,000 ADDITIONAL rounds bringing their total on order to 1.6 Billion rounds. They are also in the market for 7,000 additional evil, black, child scaring, liberal hating, bad dream inducing, military grade, machine gun assualt riles whose collapsible stocks induce selective fire. 7000 AR-15's LOL Good Fn luck with that, guess they should have thought about that two months ago. It's almost as funny as seeing news stories with photos of gun stores that actually have guns on the shelf obviously old photos. |
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Mark - DHS just bought 200,000 ADDITIONAL rounds bringing their total on order to 1.6 Billion rounds. They are also in the market for 7,000 additional evil, black, child scaring, liberal hating, bad dream inducing, military grade, machine gun assualt riles whose collapsible stocks induce selective fire. 7000 AR-15's LOL Good Fn luck with that, guess they should have thought about that two months ago. It's almost as funny as seeing news stories with photos of gun stores that actually have guns on the shelf obviously old photos. We like to think that they will have the same trouble as we will at finding available guns. But the truth is, who do most manufacturers give preference to? .gov, mil/LE, etc. We citizens are third in line. It seems ironic to me as most manufacturers claim to support the concept of the armed individual. At least to our faces... |
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