This is a write-up of my BOB. All advice is appreciated. I am a certain beginner, to a degree, how ever I grew up in a heavy out-doors related family. Grown adult camping for 15 years. My pictures seem very large, not sure how to adjust, i apologize.

I chose this BOB because it has so much space and also it has several different pockets and pouches to organize different types of items. It was originally a maroon color, I threw a light coat of spray paint on it to kind of darken it up. On shoulder strap I have a compass.
1st pouch
These are all the items in the main pouch. Minus the water, I’m not sure if I should put in the big bottle or just the small bottle.
Hatchet, boney hat/gloves, rain suit/change of clothes, poncho, survival guide
Knife/sheath with survival kit in handle, then my food kit consists of empty can to cook/boil in, can of ravolli/peaches, pasta/roman noodles with several other snacks inside the pasta box, then I have that cheap mess kit from walmart. I need to upgrade it. The camo fanny pack holds a fishing kit and other items



I call it my fishing kit, but certainly there are things in it that have nothing to do with fishing. It’s also my “catch all” bag for misc items. I could have used a smaller container to hold these items but I thought with the straps and buckles I could always just throw it around my waist and go. OR use it for something else. The items in my fishing kit include
reel, 2 rolls of fishing line, assortment of hooks, sinkers, jigs. Knife/sheath, pad with pen, hand warmers, electrical tape, ear plugs, mirror, glue stick, plastic bags, twine, and char cloth in the aluminum bag.



3RD POCKET: Next pocket I keep some orange hazard flags, band aids, rope, cord, bungee cords, whistle, and a fire kit.



4th POCKET: My next pouch holds a emergency blanket, small first aid kit, cordage, 50 rnds of .22 and then my two primary fire sources.



Inside my two fire kits, The black pouch holds the steel/mgnsm, lighter, char cloth, folded napkin and some homemade water proof fire starters. I have been using and making them for about 15 years, I cut up strips from a cotton shirt or sock, twist it and dip it in wax. They are water proof and will burn for a few minutes, intention is to dry out any possible damp kindling or wood to start a larger fire.
The small metal can. Fire kit #2, holds lighter, candle, fire starters, char cloth.



OUTER 4TH POCKET: This is my most outer pouch.


The outer pouch holds a few pens/pencils, zip ties, flash light, leatherman/pouch, extra knife. The compass is from the pouch on the shoulder strap.



This is my entire BOB laid out. However I have not decided to use the big water bottle or smaller one.
I keep this BOB in my vehicle and I also keep extra water in there as well.
Total weight is about 50lbs.
The only thing pictured that I did not describe is under the mess kit I have a first aid kit, the white box. It is in a separate pocket all too it’s self.
Also, with the design and layout ...See More


This is my entire BOB laid out. However I have not decided to use the big water bottle or smaller one.
I keep this BOB in my vehicle and I also keep extra water in there as well.
Total weight is about 50lbs.
The only thing pictured that I did not describe is under the mess kit I have a first aid kit, the white box. It is in a separate pocket all too it’s self.
Also, with the design and layout of the bag I chose, I am able to access every pocket without having to go through another pocket or a zipper. Which means I can get whatever I Want relatively quickly without having to move a bunch of stuff around.
I do kind of believe in the motto “2 is 1 and 1 is none”, to a degree. So I do have multiple little first aid kits and lighters and knives, I feel like they could be some of the more important items I could need plenty off. Also I have a lot of random comfort items I could probably discard. Like the zip ties, ear plugs, few other items im sure. But hell, they don’t add much weight and they could be useful. This is also a bag I would take anytime camping/shooting, hiking. I would like to upgrade my mess kit and add some type of water purifier either a pump/filter or some tablets. I am lacking that.

Yes, new to survival forums on internet.

Looks great, all that camping experience really shows. But I think you got too many knives, I'd stick with just the fixed blade and the multitool. DannerTrax

My first thought is way too many blades. Keep one knife if your pocket and a spare in your pack.

What state are you in, is cold weather a concern? Shelter is the biggest concern, then food, then fire. A poncho alone is decent in the hottest parts of the country, but there isn't many nights of the year up here where you could sleep halfway decent without a blanket of some type.

Ditch the canned food and get some freeze dried meals from Walmart, they are much lighter and store well. You might not want to cook in that tin can either with the plastic coating inside, a cheap single wall stainless mug can also be found at Walmart.

Toss the bulky rope and pick up a roll of Zing-it from a fishing or arborist store.

I would say get rid of the fishing stuff as well and keep just a small pill bottle with hooks and lures and a few hundred feet of line wrapped around it, enough to make a trot line. You are hiking to your BOL not stopping to casually fish.

The hatchet might be overkill depending on your goals, a saw is quieter and lighter. I'm not knocking the hatchet, I use one all the time when I camp but for getting to your BOL it might not be necessary.

I would say take everything you have and head out to the woods for the night, just your pack and your clothes, and hike a mile or two and then set up camp and see how it goes. You will quickly learn what you are lacking and what you don't need.

50 lbs is a lot to carry, especially in an unframed pack.

That thing is going to get HEAVY after a couple hundred yards.  Unframed packs with those style straps aren't good for much more than 20lbs, IMO.

I see 3 single-blade folding knives.  You don't need more than one.  They serve the same use.
Canned items are HEAVY.
Compass without a map isn't terribly useful.
MORE WATER.  If you are hiking, hydration is important.  A half liter of water will last you maybe an hour on a hot day.
What happens after you un-tape the mess kit?  Can you get it back together?
What is useful in the survival guide that you can't remember?

It's not a terrible kit, so don't take this as throwing too many spears.  It just seems like more weight than that pack is designed for, and short on water.

agree with the previous 2 posters--weight is an issue, and you're making things hard on yourself without gaining much capability.  some thoughts (not insults ):














































 

Lifeboat rations have a ton of calories, but they seem to lack a lot of performance enhancing nutrition.  (Why you don't see ultra-marathon types downing them.)
For an emergency of less than a week, you can likely get by with zero food...not fun and your performance capacity will drop substantially!  Personally, if you are planning for short term (3ish days or less), I'd focus food on giving you useful performance boosts and morale boosts.  Something as simple as a power bar or some dry cereal will get you through a good chunk of the day.  
In some survival schools, students can function pretty well on 1000-1500 calories a day, while expending 2-3x that much.  It's not a recipe for long-term success, but you aren't going to drop dead.

Carbs convert quickly, and pasta is light, easy to make, and filling. TVP lasts about forever dry. No reason to go without, especially if the goal is to get home and you are 3 days - a week out. Better than a sharp stick in the eye anyway.

Olive oil and crisco, although a weight penalty, is super dense in calories. Pretty easy to take along enough for a meal per day.

At 110-120 calories per tbs you can toss some in with your supper and get a big gain. A cup of pasta can be nearly 500 calories with it added.

I use crisco because it won't spill, it just hangs out it baggie nice and congealed. Not the healthiest thing in the world, but it makes for great cooking oil when you don't want stuff sticking to your pan over the fire.

I'm thinking about upgrading my BOB, I like the condor 3 day pack but it's a little pricey, however, I did find this for $40  
http://www.uscav.com/productinfo.aspx?productid=21895&tabid=548&catid=1731
For a little bit more this seems better
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005KDBHWM/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3CP4UO4J8BHR7&coliid=IYZK85X3ARBGW

The thing with the knives, is hard for me to over come. They just seem so useful. More as tools than as weapons. But I should lighten up my BOB. Also, I'm very comfortable with the current weight.  I have a little experience humping a ruck. My pack is actually closer to 40 lbs after weighing it. I think I originally thought it was more like 50.

The food is just what I have on hand. I have not actually went out and purchase specific food, but I agree that the dried food method may be easier. Maybe keep a can of ravioli just because.  Also I am thinking about getting into drying out fruit and meat. Making my own jerky. But that is for another post.

I really need help with the water. I want to get some kind of filter. I see these filter/straws for sale, very small. But I want something more sturdy. I was looking yesterday and I found a water bottle with a internal filter that was good for up to 100 gallons, and i don't think it cost more than $30...of course now I can't find that same bottle, can't remember what site I seen it on.


Also, I need a better mess kit. I don't even know where to start. I was thinking that this would be pretty decent
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FBSZGU/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_img?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3CP4UO4J8BHR7&coliid=I2WEI7AHRD5IUD
And I need a canteen, I don't want plastic. I want something I could heat up if need be. This looks decent.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HRII9OM/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_img?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3CP4UO4J8BHR7&coliid=I1UQP920JEVE9E

I might purchase this for food
http://beprepared.com/3-day-mre-food-supply.html

Oh, I really need to add a foam mat.

I originally had a Large Molle II. I had that thing loaded down, had to have been 70. That was just to damn big for a BOB. So I do appreciate minimal weight. How ever, I feel like the weight I have now is ok, I could down size and probably will, but the biggest factor, in my opinion, is the carrying system. The actual BOB itself. Right now, I don't have the greatest bag, but I think if i upgrade it then it could be ideal. To a degree.

And something else I realized is that each pack that I linked to above, is capable of holding a hydration system. A bladder. Something else I might want to look into. At least for hiking and camping.

Those MSR kits are nice, a bit heavy, but well made.

Don't even bother with a metal canteen, just get your basic GI green plastic one and get a stainless canteen cup to go with it, they nest together so if you have your canteen, you have your cup. You can also skip the mess kit that way and just add a small spork.

I used mine a lot and probably still would if I didn't totally change my system around. I have cook every type of meal in the cup though, it's not ideal, but totally doable.

You can usually find the whole kit, canteen, cup and cover on ebay for pretty cheap.

 






 

I would recommend a pack with a frame or frame sheet.  I used an REI pack with a plastic frame sheet for a while, and it is far more comfortable under load than a common "3-day pack" with no real support.

What about the Gen 2 USMC MARPAT ILBE?  Is that a decent set up? Seems like alot of weight for something without a frame.

Gen 2 USMC MARPAT ILVE $69

that ruck has a frame.





and 3 day packs,,aka "tactical" school book packs...dont.





guys have pointed out a bunch.


but water,shelter/food are worth more than 5 knives,3 can openers and xx gear,
on a budget,,pick up a med alice,,upgrade the hip belt....then once you log a bunch of miles..upgrade to something bigger/better like that usmc ruck. that is a large 60-80liter ruck. its a tank.


the kelty in the movie below is 4500 cis...i show med alice and bhi 3 day. this was before all the craptastic """assault" ruck craze kicked in....





on the bold- not to sound like an old grouchy dick...but if you dropped a few knives,,axe,,metal cans..other gear choices youd save more weight than worryuig about if a ruck weighs 4-6lbs+(which is avg for ANY non ultralight framed-internal/external pack)
watch..learn....then research. eta- its 3 parts....











 

There is a world of difference between hauling any kind of load in a pack with a frame vs a framesheet vs no support. If you doubt that, you need to try it for a few miles.

Give me a bag with 3 folding knives, two multitools, the knife of Rambo, a tomahawk, saw, axe, shovel, one water bottle and a protein bar and I'm going to laugh while tossing more than half that metal into the nearest ditch.

Surplus german military ponchos make good shelter too.

My car bug out bag is pretty small.
Living in an urban environment, I keep this bag in my car:

Small low key single strap messenger bag, grey and black, does not look tacticoool  ( NOT MY PIC I just used this as an example)







Small fenix flashlight.



Gerber multi-tool. ( I would not recommend it, I broke my file blade, it was pretty flimsy.  



a Liter of water,
Matches, a lighter,
550 cord 50'
gloves,
a towel, emergency blanket,
a small plastic jar of peanut butter
Zip ties, chem lights (2)

I have a tool kit in my truck with an assortment of tools.  But this is designed to get me to my house on foot if I had to abandon my truck.  Most of the time I am only 4-5 miles away from my house so its pretty easy for me to get there on foot. If I needed to carry more I would have more options in my truck.

I still need a first aid kit. Working on the extended bob.
Not really a good kit, but I am working on it.

Here is my BOB list.  let me know if I'm over-looking or over-loading anything.  of course the weapons system is not packed, but in the safe and ready to grab.  I'm still acquiring a few things and getting it all neatly packed.

PACK
•MEDIUM ALICE PACK
•ALICE PACK FRAME
•ALICE PACK SHELF
•MOLLE SHOULDER STRAPS
•MOLLE MOLDED KIDNEY BELT
•MOLLE SLEEP CARRIER
FOOD/WATER
•CANTEEN W/ CUP
•SPORK
•WATER PURIFICATION TABLETS
•WATER FILTER
•BULK WATER STORAGE
•PASTA MEALS
•SNACK FOODS
•OAT MEAL PACKS
•FLASK W/ RUM
SHELTER/CLOTHES
•100’ 550 PARACORD
•TARP, 6X8
•FLEECE JACKET W/WATERPROOF SHELL
•WATCH CAP AND BALL CAP
•WOOL/SYNTHETIC SOCKS, BASELAYER, UNDIES
•CONVERTIBLE PANTS
•SHIRT
•BANDANA
•SLEEPING BAG
•GLOVES
•PONCHO
TOOLS
•BEAR GRYLLS ULTIMATE FIXED BLADE KNIFE
•BUCKMASTER FOLDING KNIFE
•B.O.B FISHING KIT
•TOILET PAPER
•2 BIC LIGHTERS
•DRYER LINT FIRE STARTERS
•CHAR CLOTH
•WATERPROOF MATCHES
•HAND SANITIZER
•COMPASS
•FLASHLIGHT W/ EXTRA BATTERIES
•CONTRACTORS TRASH BAGS
•2 MICROFIBER TOWELS
•ZIP TIES, ASSORTED SIZES
•MULTI-TOOL
•DUCT TAPE
•ZIP LOCK BAG, ASSORTED SIZES
•FIRST AID KIT
•PEN AND PAPER
•SUNSCREEN
•SUNGLASSES
WEAPONS SYSTEM (B.O.B)
•2, RUGER 9MM HANDGUNS
•ROCK RIVER/ANDERSON AR15
•MOSSBERG 500 12GA. (optional)
•9MM, .223/5.56, 12GA.

Where are you bugging out to?
Do you have a BOL?
How will you resupply?

What does this all weight?
Ever hiked with a pack?
How are your boots? How are you feet?

Signal mirror?
Tooth brush, family photo (wallet size) and maybe. Laminated piece of scripture - 3 amazing morale boosters

Maps of AO and surrounding AO. No gps? protractor?

Thumb drive with personal info

Money? Cash, coins - you need an alternative for dealing with people - can't shove a loaded gun in everyone's face.

How are you cooking food? MSR pocket rocket? canteen cup? fuel?

Don't mean to sound condescending but the lack of foot powder or mole skin tells me you may be in over your head...

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I know everyone loves these new Maxpedition type sling packs, but I have hiked with small bags with wide, padded straps, and they are much more uncomfortable than a standard pack. I mean, think about it. You are hanging all the weight off one shoulder, so 50% of the area. A regular pack distributes the weight better, and is better for your spine as well. This isn't a Steven King novel, it's real life. I only did it a couple times, because I wanted to try a smaller, lighter setup - it just doesn't work as well. If you want to carry 1/2 as much, fine, but carry it 10 miles with the same weight you'd have in a regular pack, and you'll be sorry you did. Just my .02

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My comments were supposed to be thought provoking.
Sleep system should balance weight, temp rating, and budget
Are you going to be near water where fishing is viable?
A lot of that stuff looks copy/pasted from a generic internet list with zero thought into his situation or AO.
etc, etc.

You seem to be overly sensitive about my criticism and questions.

Without saying that the internet is serious business, I'd like to point out that we're all adults and things in the SF have real world implications. I'd rather come off as a jerk and Shimmon improve his gear and mindset than tell him it's GTG and have him fail.
Call it tough love.
I am sincerely here to help and if I'm out of line, I'll redact

It has really good features, I got it for riding a motorcycle, its really easy to swing around and get to the contents.

 

Thanks for the input from both of you, very thought provoking.  this is just my idea list I gathered while reading this thread.  I have started gathering the items, most of which I already owned for hunting, camping, ect..  my list is long and do plan to live out of the bag to help me evaluate it and remove and add stuff as needed.  so every bit of help is appreciated.

in reality I don't really plan to bug out of my home, I live on 50 acres, 1/2 woods 1/2 farm land, with a pond and creek.  but was building it if we were forced out of the house.  

WATER FILTER: still shopping for this one
SNACK FOODS: nuts, cliff bars, M&M's
OAT MEAL: I'm going to keep as its easy to prepare and light, plus I eat it regularly so it would give me the feeling of normalcy
HATS: I'm a hat kind of guy, so going to stick with both.
BANDANA: would offer multiple uses for its weight
SLEEPING BAG: I have 2 different ones for different season, rotated as needed.
BOB FISHING KIT: many ponds and lakes in my area. 6 hooks of multiple sizes, sinkers of different sizes, 2 small bobbers, small spool of fishing line 8lb test  
BIC LIGHTERS: 2 lighters weight next to nothing and don't take up much space
FLASH LIGHTS: Maglite XL50 (139 lumen, weight 3.68 oz.) Energizer headlamp, both LED and run on AAA batts (extra batteries also packed)
ZIP TIES: also light and easy to pack, but they are a 1 and done kinda thing... I do keep 550 as well
DUCT TAPE: I have not taken it off the roll yet, but will be going on a card or possibly my pen/pencil

but I do want to thank you both again for checking out my list and helping me get some more thoughts.  once I "complete" my BOB i'll get some pics and a finalized list... but is a BOB ever complete or is it always changing with the season, technology, item availability...



EDIT: i'll touch on the other items I didn't in the above post.

BULK WATER STORAGE: 2 quart collapsible canteen,
PASTA MEALS: assorted flavors, very good point
FLASK: yeah this was added for a backpacking list I had, but probably not very useful in B.O. situation
PONCHO, just a cheap pocket one, might be good for other uses; rain water collection, putting over my pack while carrying it, etc
GLOVES: leather/mesh mechanix gloves and some cheap jersey gloves
BEAR GRYLLS ULTIMATE: it's heavy 14oz, but has multiple uses, has fire starter, knife sharpener... pretty decent knife really
BUCKMASTER KNIFE FOLDER: its actually browning, but you're right don't need it as my multitool and fixed blade will do, plus my EDC knife would be on hand too
MICROFIBER TOWELS: gonna take it down to 1, thought it would good for washing myself and canteen cup... but might be able to use the bandana instead...
FAK: still shopping for this, probably adventure medical, but have a generic homemade kit for now.
PEN AND PAPER: I think I will add a pencil, wont dry out and might be able to use the shavings as fire starter...
BOB WEAPONS SYSTEM: probably just have my EDC ruger SR9c and AR15 (3-9X scope with BUIS)


other BOB WEAPONS thoughts: if it does hit the fan, the wife will have her .380 bersa thunder and also will pack the marlin 22.

the Mossberg 500 does have 18" and stock hunting barrel, birds are easier to hunt with a scatter gun.
I just don't want to leave any weapons behind... but I can pack them all :(

thanks again for your thoughts!

You're headed in the right direction

I have been keeping a record of all the stuff in my bob, the weight, the cost and where to buy it. Did so much research... it's exhausting. My bob is just right for me, but won't be for everyone. You could buy all the stuff I have from the amazon link, but customize and make it your own.

I have it all sorted by category. There are totals for each category. Weight will be very important, since you can only get so far on foot based on your load.

I did not include the weight or price of water, food, guns and ammo.

My BOB is a little on the heavy side, and thus is always a work in progress. Will work on getting a pic of everything at once later. Some weights have a ?, that's because it is approximate or too light to include.

[STRIKE]My bag has been able to easily fit all the stuff below and then some, with the exception of the sleeping bag, tent and tent roll. I have more room and could possible fit that stuff inside, but I have it strapped to the pack instead of inside.[/STRIKE]

With some shifting and organizing, everything fits inside except my sleeping bag and there is still more room. I'll add some pics of what it looks like packed later.

Shelter
Brand New Fashion Us Waterproof Hooded Ripstop Wet Festival Rain Poncho Black
1.1lbs
$35.88
Click here for Amazon link

Liner ACU Digital Previously Issued
2lbs?
$34.99
Click here for Amazon link

Zippo Hand Warmer
4oz/.25lbs
$13.15
Click here for Amazon link

Rothco 550lb. Type III Nylon Paracord X34.8oz X 3/14.4oz/.9lbs
$8.49X 3
Click here for Amazon link

Texsport Reinforced Rip-Stop Polyethylene Tarp (Camouflage, 12 x 16-Feet)
7.2oz/.45lbs
$20.99
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Olive Drab Army Issue Foam Sleeping Pad Mat - 24 x 72 x 3/8, Survival/Camping
?
$20.64
Click here or Amazon link

Military Modular Sleep System 4 Piece with Goretex Bivy Cover and Carry Sack
12lbs
$129.95
Click here for Amazon link

Alpinismo 4 Season Tent with Aluminum Poles
6.5lbs
$155.45
Click here for Amazon link

Blizzard Survival Sleeping Bag (Bivvy) - Tactical / Reversible
13.3oz/.83lbs
$39.95
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Emergency Mylar Thermal Blankets (Pack of 10)1lb
$9.90
Click here for Amazon link

Shelter  Total
25.03lbs
$486.37

Water & Food
Condor HCB Molle Hydration Carrier With 2.5 L Bladder - Black
2lbs
$40.00
Click here for Amazon link

3 N 1 Stainless Steel Camping Hiking Emergency Eating Utensil Set, Knife, Fork & Spoon
2.6oz/.16lbs
$5.33
Click here for Amazon link

Texsport Black Ice The Scouter Hard Anodized Cook Set
1.8lbs?
$22.03
Click here for Amazon link

Edible Wild Plants: A North American Field Guide to Over 200 Natural Foods
1.2lbs?
$10.50
Click here for Amazon link

Katadyn Hiker Pro Microfilter Water Filter
?
$67.99
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Potable Aqua Plus Water Purification Tablets
$7.99
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Water & Food Total
5.16lbs
$153.84

Fire
Zippo Black Crackle Lighter
2oz/.125lbs
$12.35
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Magnesium Fire Starter
1.4oz/.0875lbs
$4.39
Click here for Amazon link

UCO Stormproof Match Kit with Waterproof Case, 25 Stormproof Matches and 3 Strikers
5oz?.31lbs
$7.41
Click here for Amazon link

Fire Total
.52lbs
$24.15

Equipment
Signal Mirror - 2"x 3" Pouch - Olive Drab
2.1oz/.13lbs
$10.28
Click here for Amazon link

JetScream Whistle.3oz/.02lbs$5.63Click here for Amazon link
Huntington MG1 Military Bearing / Lensatic Compass, Professionally Liquid-Dampened,Full Metal Body with Bearing Prism / Lens System (K4580 GR US)
1.8oz/.11lbs
$14.45
Click here for Amazon link

Solar Powered Backup Battery and Charger for Portable Devices
3.5oz/.22lbs
$24.29
Click here for Amazon link

Unisex Tactical 5.11 Durable Rush Tier Rifle Sleeve
3lbs?
$43.60
Click here for Amazon link

Coghlan's Signal Mirror
?
$10.30
Click here for Amazon link

5.11 Rush 72 Back Pack
3lbs
$142.85
Click here for Amazon link

5.11.58722 H20 Carrier
3lbs?
$23.29
Click here for Amazon link

Condor Tactical Cap - BLACK
12oz/.75lbs
$9.99
Click here for Amazon link

Gerber 22-01769 Shard Keychain Tool
?
$6.35
Click here for Amazon link

Leatherman Wave Black Oxide Finish Multi Tool with Nylon MOLLE Sheath , 830246
11.2oz/.7lbs
$68.90
Click here for Amazon link

Estwing E24A Sportsman's Hatchet Metal Handle
1.6lbs
$26.99
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Condor Tactical Belt
1lb?
$15.95
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Gerber 30-000075 E-Tool Folding Spade with Serrated Blade
2.6lbs
$45.08
Click here for Amazon link

Lansky Dual Grit Sharpener
8.8oz/.55lbs
$7.68
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Condor Drop Leg Dump Pouch - Black
.99lbs
$21.95
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Condor Tornado Tactical Leg Holster
?
$25.95
Click here for Amazon link

Midland XT511 GMRS Two-Way Emergency Crank Radio
3lb
$64.99
Click here for Amazon link

Midland GXT1000VP4 36-Mile 50-Channel FRS/GMRS Two-Way Radio (Pair)
3.2lb
$62.30
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Israeli Civilian Gas Mask with NBC NATO Filter and Drinking Hydration Tube
1lb
$30.90
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Equipment Total
24.87lbs
$661.63

First Aid
U.S. Army Special Forces Medical Handbook
1.1lbs
$18.79
Click here for Amazon link

UNIFY Silk Sutures - MEDIUM (FS-2/C-13) 19mm Reverse Cutting 3/8 Circle Needle. 3-0, 18"/45 cm Thread. 12 Per Box
3oz/.19lbs
$21.29
Currently Unavailable on Amazon

Pac-Kit 13-010 Burn Gel Packet (Box of 6)
3oz/.19lbs
$9.19
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Where There Is No Dentist
14.4oz/.9lbs
$14.11
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Ammonia Inhalant 33 cc 10 per box
8oz?/.5lbs
$5.35
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Where There Is No Doctor
1.6lbs
$19.42
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AMK - Quikclot Sport Pack
1.75oz X2/3.5oz/.22lbs
$14.99
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Prestige 5.5 inch Nurses Utility Scissors
1.6oz/.1lbs
$3.85
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Condor Rip-Away EMT Pouch
1lb
$18.35
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C-A-T Combat Application Tourniquet All black version
3.2oz/.2lbs
$27.43
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Tactical Trauma Dressing, Israeli Bandage, 4 Inch X 6
2.5oz X6/15oz/.94lbs
$37.80
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O+ Blood tag
?
$8.99
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Medic Cross Tactical Patch - Olive & Black
?
$5.85
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Nuclear Anti Radiation Tablets KIO3 170 mg Potassium Iodate
?
$11.37
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Rad Sticker
?
$4.90
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First Aid Total
5.84lbs
$212.72

Protection
Cold Steel Kukri Machetes
3lbs?
$24.29
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New Swedish Mil. Mora Knife
4oz/.25lbs
$15.49
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Protection Total
3.25lbs
$39.78

Gear Total
64.42lbs
$1578.49

... nice!

Wow jerhyn,with link and everything.

Now just start doing some ruck's with it and see how it works for you.

64lbs without water?  What kind of pack are you using?
Are you in shape for infantry ops?  That kind of weight would destroy most people within a day or two, unless they are fresh back from patrols in SW Asia.

 

You put it nicer than I would have.

I left a few things worth saying twice.

 

I thought I would mention that civilian backpackers have gone to the nicer internal frame 40L to 60L or 80L packs.  By "nicer", the mid priced to high end stuff seen at REI and competitors.

2 or 3oz canister mounted "butane" stoves are very common and work fantastic.  Cookware depends on what you want to cook.  If I'm eating freeze dried on the John Muir Trail, its  1L titanium.  If I'm hunting at the same altitudes its 2L, and in aluminum, sized to fit stuff I plan on shooting or catching.  Alcohol is pretty reliable, but more suitable for trips where you don't have big mileage goals to make, like making it to the BOL.  It just plain does not cook fast.  May or may not be a problem for you.

If you can keep them dry, expensive down bags squeeze down wonderfully small.

Your bob could be stocked much worse, than with a few strategic pieces of high end backpacking gear.  These days, so-called high speed civilian backpacking gear is going to usually be the best game in town, if it will do what you want.   When I hunt, I just add guns and ammo to my civilian backpack, and away I go.

I saw almost no external frames on the JMT.

I disagree that alcohol will not cook fast. I have an old 'spirit' stove made in the 1800's and it'll boil water in about three minutes. If you are doing high mileage, taking some down time to rest is important also. It's the design of the stove which counts, not the fuel. Alcohol can be an issue at extremely high altitudes, but I've used mine over 10,000 feet with no issues. I did have it flame out and set the entire stove on fire once in a very high wind in Oregon, which scared the hell out of me, but I'd rather be in that situation with alcohol than another, more volatile fuel. I found that alcohol also goes a long way - sips fuel compared to white gas stoves IMO, and is self-pressurizing. Still my favorite, even though adjusting the flame is impossible.

Yeah, after posting that, I knew I'd run afoul of the alcohol crowd  of which I are one FWIW.

My canister stoves boil a Liter of water in 3 or 4 mins.  My Trangia burner does it in 10 or 15 mins IME, just like the mfg says.  This is dependent on water temps, wind, and altitude, of course. Seems like everything is colder and windier at altitude, plus takes more fuel to simmer stuff due to the lower boiling point causing increased cooking times.  So, BO @ sea level?

Like I say, if spending extra time cooking isn't a problem, alcohol may be for you.  The price sure is right.  My Trangia 25 and Caldera Cone don't boil near as fast as my white gas or canister stoves.  On hunting trips, where I often don't have a particular destination in mind, alcohol is great.  It is dead quiet, there's nothing to break on the stove, and reliability is very high.  A simmer ring means that you can simmer maybe better than your gas stove at home.  The increased time to boil is not a factor, when all you're doing is sneaking around all day.  Holding still waiting for a leisurely boil counts as sneaking, in my book.  Find a good hide site, and scan for animals whilst stirring your chicken and rice soup.

If I had bigtime mileage goals, the leisurely part of alcohol stove cooking would drive me nuts.  Right stove for right situation.  People could even modify their goals to make their equipment right for the expected situation.

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Weight often fixes itself, my BOB was 55 pounds 4 years ago, but when I went hiking with it I realized I was as young as I used to be.  It sits at around 40 pounds now.  A few things to remember:

1. If you have a family, you may have to take their needs into account (if you have all young daughters like me...more weight for you :)
2. Wagons are extremely useful
3. If you are in an area where fresh water is easily available or found, just carrying purification tabs or camp filter might be worthwhile.
4. Consider where your bug out might be ( I have been displaced by wildfires out here, so being able to bring supplies with me while I stayed at a friends house helped tremendously)
5. Coordinate with like minded folks in your AO. (I know if SHTF I will consider every male a suspected therapist and may be unnecessarily hostile)

Not sure if this was intentional or Freudian, but it is funny!

That kind of weight would destroy most people within 5 miles of hiking through rough terrain.  Holy crap.

The OP was correct.  BOB weight should be around 25-30lbs to include food and water.

My stuff hardly exceeds 40 anymore with low 30 s to high 20 s the norm.
Lot of weight can be saved by gear choices alone. Never understood guys who will buy a 300$ pack but carry and 5 lb 30 f sleeping bag or a heavy tarp vs a 5 oz sil tarp...
But its their knees and back not mine...if a person can't hump it..and is just playing dress up th ey are setting themselves up for failure.

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Ridiculously good info in here. Subbed until I can read thru the whole thread

Tuff- DId you start your own thread on this (maybe i missed it)? I am often in the same situation as you (ranging from 1-2 and rarely 3 days a week). Would be interested in seeing responces from the group.

its 80 miles commute for me.

knowing your routes,,water sourcs etc are key. 100 miles can be 19 days or 5 depending on you set up/skill/physical level.

this is where cutting weight is key.

dont carry 5 knives ..8 fire steels or a 4 lb tent.

water and food are the heaviest items outside of weapons suppport.

but at that point your goingfor speed and low pro. no full load out..maybe just a sidearm..

cache points will help.



networking helps as well..co worker johnny lives 20 miles..maybe a "hey lets walk to your house" plan can be put into play if not prior least on spot..

Is there a GHB version of this thread?

They are pretty much the same thing with slightly different goals.

For getting home it is assumed that you already know your route and about how long it will take you to do it.

So you set up your bag with only the things you need to get from A to B.

For instance. On any given day I am working between 20-30 miles from home. I figure worst case it will take me 4 days to walk home (ideally it would be 2 or 3, but I plan for 4). My bag contains enough calories for a 4 day walk, things like caffeine and pain killers so I can take less or shorter breaks, and seasonal shelter for resting.

The idea is to keep it as light as possible so you can move faster to your destination. I think the general BOB idea gets confused with a never coming home again type scenario, and in that case one bag is probably not going to be enough.

That makes sense.