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Posted: 8/15/2001 6:06:44 AM EDT
Maybe its time for me to go.
I'm not allowed to quote Scripture. I'm supposed to separate my biblical beliefs from my personal opinions. I'm considered by at least two people on this forum to be a "religious bigot." According to one member, I'm not allowed to have an opinion about the dealing of a non-member oif this forum and his endeavors outside this forum, because I'm a moderator of THIS board. Basically, I'm not allowed to have an opinion about anything. I'm not supposed to try to present a logical opinion on any issue if I come from a Scriptural POV, as I am "proseletyzing. My question is this - how are many of you any different than the Leftist / Marxist / Liberal / commie / pinkos who simply want to silence any opinion they dislike??? So let's have it out right here, right now. Vote. Go or stay. |
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Bud I would hate it if you left. I think you are a great moderator and a great person. Personally I would do with a bit of toning down on the religious chatter, but I realize you are doing so out of the kindness of your heart to help and not harm.
If you left I would be very disappointed. You're not here to please everyone, you're here to enjoy yourself. Moderator or not, I think you are a wonderful addition to the culture of the site. We've already lost one solid member due to the confederate flag issue, I would hate to lose another because some people disagree with him. Stand firm in your beliefs and in yourself. -- GB |
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[rolleyes]
If you do leave, please please don't post a message saying I'm leaving because of such n' such. [;)] |
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Quoted: Stand firm in your beliefs and in yourself. -- GB View Quote My beliefs don't change. I'm just a bit disgusted by the Leftist muzzle certain people keep trying to fit over my head. |
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Stay.
BTW - I got that raise I emailed you about awhile back. Thanks for your prayers. [:D] |
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Stay. Everybody's view is their religion. Besides religion promotes society to do better.
[8D][uzi] |
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You stay now!
No where for you to go! You stay here! No rice for you today! |
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[b]Stay.[/b]
I simply don't understand why you would consider otherwise. The beliefs you have shape who you are, and by God, I feel we could use a few more like you. People are entitled to their opinions, right or wrong, no matter how they derive them. It doesn't mean you or I have to like it. havoc |
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Please stay.
Maybe you should consider this: If a moderator participates in a thread, especially when a heated, emotional, or controversial topic is being debated and discussed, he should recuse himself from "locking-duty/ability" (unless he is the author of the thread). |
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I'm no "Leftist / Marxist / Liberal / commie / pinkos" whatever that diatribe is supposed to refer to?
I think it would be great for this board if you left as moderator. I feel you have done a very poor job and have let your personal and religous beliefs skew the level judement a moderator SHOULD have. I have gone back and forth with you about such things and you simply refuse to listen. Maybe as a user of ar15.com you have had some good input, but as a moderator you have much to learn. Just my 2c, you did ask for it. Flame away, I know you guys can't resist. |
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I will say that one of the main reasons that I have frequented this board is the amount of diverse opinions that I have been able to read. I agree with some, but disagree with others, as I am pretty sure some people have done with my postings.
The one thing that I attempt to do is realize that I have values, and my values are not necessary the same as the other individuals on this board. My values are most likely not correct for other people, and because of that, I try to not impose my values on other individuals. I guess that is my definition of tolerence. Garandman, although I am not a very religous man, I have read your postings, and have not seen you trying to impose your values on anyone, which I respect quite highly. You state your mind, which I thought was the purpose of the board, and in a rather clear manner too. I have found you to be fair and extremely tolerant in the threads that I have read, and feel that you are a good example of what I believe is a good individual, and I would feel sorrow to see you leave. If my voice and vote makes a difference, I would like to see you stay. |
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Quoted: Please stay. Maybe you should consider this: If a moderator participates in a thread, especially when a heated, emotional, or controversial topic is being debated and discussed, he should recuse himself from "locking-duty/ability" (unless he is the author of the thread). View Quote I believe the record shows I've done exactly that. If anyone can find otherwise, please bring it to my attention. I despise hypocrites, especially when they are me. |
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Are moderators like referees? Keep your personal beliefs separate from your duties and everything will be cool.
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Quoted: Besides religion promotes society to do better. [8D][uzi] View Quote Uhhh...yeah...let's take a trip to Isreal or Palestine right about now. Surely you can't be serious? Religion has caused more murder than any other organized group. Your claim is outlandish at best. |
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If you leave, where do you go?....McCuzi.com?..He! He! He! [:D]
You can't leave us! We are family. Stay! |
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You locked the "creation vs. evolution" thread for very good reasons -it had turn into an insult swapping thread.
But because we are so aware of your beliefs, combined with the subject of said named thread, might lead one to suspect bias. Then again, WHO CARES! it's the internet, not the Supreme Court. Do what you want, say what you want. Anyone who gets too bent out of shape about it needs to find a new hobby. |
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I am not a god fearing man.... I don't care if you are. I think you round things out around here. We need a good cross section of perople, and I think we got it.
You don't have to make everyone happy all the time. |
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Evidently you didn't read the fine print before you signed on. Like a very wise man pointed out to me once, you can't quit. You have to either die, or be sold. [;)] Now, would you kindly get back to work??
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Quoted: Then again, WHO CARES! it's the internet, not the Supreme Court. Do what you want, say what you want. Anyone who gets too bent out of shape about it needs to find a new hobby. View Quote You don't know much about moderator then. Between 86 and 89 I was a USE Net moderator for several NG's What Garandman does and doesn't do are not the skills of a true moderator. You may simply see moderator as some elitist title, but it is a job. Garandman does not do a good job as a forum moderator. Like I said before, maybe he has some good input as a user of ar15.com. Moderator skills are poor. Garandman Lose the "Moderator" title. I'm sure they will grant you some "Elite Member" or "AR15.com Staff" or something like that. I have a feeling though that this all boils down to being "Better" or having a "Higher Rank" than the masses as this has long been your angle in most of the threads you "Moderate". Don't take it personally. |
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[size=5]STAY[/size=5]
As long as you remain impartial in your moderating duties,you have as much right to state what you believe in, than those who think that religion is worthless and undesirable. |
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Garandman, this gentleman said it best:
Quoted: You don't have to make everyone happy all the time. View Quote Amen, and pass the ammo.!!! You remind me of some of the LEO's here who get all torqued over the six who are virulently anti-LEO. Keep in mind it is six or so out of 12,000!!! Same exact thing applies to you. Please don't let it get you down. You are valuable here. I am not religious, but have read the Bible in years past. I don't think Christ said anything about tucking one's tail between the legs and fleeing. I do recall something mentioned to the effect of "fight the good fight." Do what you think you must, but please take to heart the preponderance of thoughts in this thread. Best wishes, my friend. |
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Aw, stick around.
I think you've done a pretty fair job of wearing two hats...moderator and member-with-an-opinion-like-everyone-else....considering the intensity of your beliefs. (And this from someone who will never come close to agreeing with you on religion.) Of course you're a religious bigot. We're all bigoted about something. You say it like it's a bad thing. |
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Stay!
You are doing your best. Good or bad it's you. Keep the faith! |
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Hey g-man, don't leave. Much as we disagree on things, I still like having you around.
If you feel that being a moderator cramps your style, quit the moderator job but stay on the board. I personally don't feel you've abused your moderator authority at all. |
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I agree with Don!!!
Cut this sissy do you like me crap and get back to work!!! The office floors are still filthy and RBAD has bathroom duties... ]=) Seriously, can't you see that you make an impact and do matter to many of us. I warned you that this job required an uncanny ability to take abuse, the one thing I forgot to mention is that abuse only matters when it comes from people who care about you. Any moron can come in and tell you to go F yourself, but their opinion shouldn't matter, it's the guys who've been to war with you and back who count. -- GB |
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Quoted: You don't know much about moderator then. View Quote You, sir, know less about Garandman's role as a mod. Garandman does not do a good job as a forum moderator. Like I said before, maybe he has some good input as a user of ar15.com. Moderator skills are poor. Garandman Lose the "Moderator" title. I'm sure they will grant you some "Elite Member" or "AR15.com Staff" or something like that. I have a feeling though that this all boils down to being "Better" or having a "Higher Rank" than the masses as this has long been your angle in most of the threads you "Moderate". Don't take it personally. View Quote If you think he does this crap to be "above" the rest of us, you are nucking futs--don't take it personally. You, apparently unlike Garandman, are entitled to your opinion, but he does NOT mix his personal beliefs into his efforts at moderating. I have watched him from day one as a mod and he simply does not mix the two. We know where he stands on issues of right and wrong as they apply to his religious convictions, but he does NOT use that as a basis to moderate. This is not meant as a personal attack on you, but it ticks me off to have you be so unfair to him, in my opinion, which I hope I am entitled to, when you are obviously not knowledgeable about the man. |
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Just to be different, I'll say go. Go get a beer, or go somewhere to relax, or whatever you do to stop thinking about a bunch of whiny toads who are too busy whining about your opinions to notice when you're helpful.
Moderators, as well as owners have a right to their opinions. Anyone who doesn't like them, can set up their own board. I agree with some that there is a little too much political correctness enforced here, but overall, it's a good group of people with some common interests. Let those who offer alternatives that they pay for out of their own pocket cast the first flame. I don't get why some people around here want to alienate others. We're all on many politicians' lists for the first people to go when they can open concentration camps. When "representatives" like Perata of CA can openly suggest all law abiding gun owners be kicked out of the state, there is something seriously wrong. These people don't care about anything about you other than your interest in firearms. Being a good person, law abiding citizen, a christian, whatever mean nothing. If they're not differentiating between us, why should any of us do that for them? JPFO didn't care that I wasn't Jewish when I joined. They consider anyone who agrees with their views as a friend - Jewish or not, member or not. I could live without your religious tirades, but they're a small price to pay. Everyone has flaws, why shouldn't you be allowed one that does no harm? |
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Stay
You have never been unfair or tried to force your beliefs on me when we have disagreed. My spouse frequents a chat site. [url]www.lordofthe.net[/url] which bans people for defending themselves or disagreeing with an admin. it is a very childish site if any of you feel you are being treated unfairly here go to the site and see what unfairness is. just pick an admin and start disagreeing with him/her and you will see childish admins and unfairness Garandman has done a good job! |
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Quoted: [size=5]STAY[/size=5] As long as you remain impartial in your moderating duties. View Quote I think that says it all. I think this board would be boring as hell without all the diverse opinions. Just dont let it interfere with the Moderator duties. RLTW |
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yo G in the overall spirit of brotherhood against the oppressors, I am happy to have you as a brother in arms. On the religious stuff.....I am sorry but I would rather not hear it....but that is up to me to read it, debate it, or ignore it. Just one point...someone with opposing views or something that you consider
obscene or profane should have the same consideration. As long as it meets forum rules-- right Goatboy.... |
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Stay, what other's think don't matter. Your beliefs are yours, last time I checked the thought police hasn't taken over the country yet. Thebeekeeper1 put it best. [smoke]
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Stay.
First of, this is America, a country based on freedom of religion. You really haven't ever seemed to me like you came off like your were preaching religion. And if you do It's my right to not read your posts if I choose not to. Secondly this is a discussion forum, what would there be to discuss if we all were exact clones of each other and totally agreed on everything? |
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garandman, show us those Mod-skills.....
.....please lock this thread. |
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Does this statement mean anything:
"I may not agree with what you say, but I will die trying to defend the right for you to say it." I don't agree with some of the view that a lot of the people here. As I am assure some feel the same way about me. However, we have one common bond that keeps us together. Hell that is a basis for some of the marriages in this country. You can't please everyone. Not saying you should stay or go, eventually that is your decision. Me personally I have been frequenting a particular gunboard less and less cause of some of the members and their views, not cause they wanted me to leave. Its your decision. What can you put up with? |
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Stay, if you stay, I will stay.
If you go. I will stay.[smoke] I can stay, right? Besides, you are the SWORD of DAMOCLES and you have to stay till all the heathen have been sent to meet their maker, which they don't believe in. You have cool job! |
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Ok Garandman, here's another little point of view, and then my vote....
First off, I do not agree with your religious views. I'm agnostic, and am not likely to change these views without some serious incontrovertible proof or large amounts of drugs (which would probably just wear off and leave us in the same boat we are now). HOWEVER, you seem to have thought out your views thoroughly and have formed your opinions through means other than having them brow-beaten into you. In my opinion, you have freely given your views in topics to give others the chance to do the same, without pressure. I have not seen you abuse your Mod powers for this purpose, ONLY in support of guidelines which have been placed by the owners of this board. If others do not wish to abide by the terms, then they run the risk of having their threads locked. So be it. IMHO, you have done a good job of separating personal opinion from the Mod job and think you bring an enlightened viewpoint to this rag-tag fleet as we wander through the galaxy looking for that point of light to guide us (oh, goodness, this is getting hokey - must be time to lower the dose on the meds). In short, STAY. Keep up the good work. [8D] WWoodworth |
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I think you should stay.
And you certainly ought not to give your detractors the satisfaction of your quitting. Most of them seem to me to be the types to whine and cry at the drop of a hat. You, as moderator, just happen to be the cause du jour of their current hissy-fit. Illegitimi non carborundum. |
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[size=4][red]Stay![/red][/size=4]
Eric The('IllegitimiNonCorborundum')Hun[>]:)] |
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You can't leave! All the plants will die!
Seriously, I think you should stay. Nothing wrong with letting your beliefs known. If people can't take that, they don't have to read it. But please, do stay. -Gloftoe |
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garandman,
I say, "stay." I do not share many your views in most of the religious capacities. But you have a set of opinions I do not and that is of great value to me. More than anything I want to understand...the Truth. Your theological opinions, as long as they are not the basis for closing down a thread, are the most welcome because they are different than my own. Even if they make me mad as hell [:)] I sometimes do think they are a bit preachy, or even just trite and blind. But aren't we all at times. So carry on, keep them coming. Our roads, ultimately, are to the same place, I feel. I am curious as to your journey. I'd hope you are curious as to mine. Zaz PS and I was kidding about the CAPS. you can use them if you want. [;)] |
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I personally find it offensive when people start quoting passages of their scriptures to me, like it ought to have some sort of meaning in my life.
But hey, it's a big world, room for every crazy notion and belief that is out there. Stay or go, up to you, your a big boy....right? (edited cuz I had a brain fart) |
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This is the whole problem with the moderator stuff. People either kiss your ass or hate your guts and you can never just have normal conversations again without someone feeling bad because a moderator disagrees with them or they get mad because they think you should be neutral on every subject.
There are always gonna be those out there who just can't stand authority figures and will take a jab at them every chance they get. I say you should stay and just forget about all of the crybabies. If you ignore them long enough they will eventually shut up. I've learned that no matter how hard you try its impossible to please everyone, so you just have to do the best you can and leave it at that. Michael |
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Stay!
Quoted: I'm considered by at least two people on this forum to be a "religious bigot." View Quote Consider the source. According to one member, I'm not allowed to have an opinion about the dealing of a non-member oif this forum and his endeavors outside this forum, View Quote Consider the source again. I'm not supposed to try to present a logical opinion on any issue if I come from a Scriptural POV, as I am "proseletyzing. View Quote While I rarely agree with you concerning religion I've found that you're an honorable person with strong beliefs. I respect you for that. My question is this - how are many of you any different than the Leftist / Marxist / Liberal / commie / pinkos who simply want to silence any opinion they dislike?? View Quote About the only person here I ever wanted to silence was Drew and that was only because he would get Glockcop all riled up. [:)] Loooooooooong threads with neither side really reading what the other said. I haven't seen either since my return here so that's moot. I think that's one of the problems you've run into. Your antagonists often either don't read what you write or read something into what you write. Regardless, they're not interested in considering your opinion, just shooting it down to see the fireball. Like I said, Stay. CB |
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[b] [size=6] STAY! [/b] [size=6]
...or I'll whoop yer ass! I'll guarantee ya! I'll put a knot on yer head so big a calf can suck on it fer a month. God and I haven't been on speaking terms for the last thirty-three years, but I am glad you are...doesn't bother me anymore than the porn posting crowd. I just won't be bothered with nonsense! Neither should you. Roy D. |
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