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tru_m4n: hi all
T0J0: hey Stalin: sup Churchill: hi tru_m4n: OMG OMG OMG i got all his stuff! tru_m4n: NUKES! HOLY **** I GOT NUKES Stalin: d00d gimmie some plz tru_m4n: no way i only got like a couple Stalin: omg dont be gay gimmie nuculer secrets T0J0: wtf is nukes? T0J0: holy ****holy****hoylshti!!!111 *T0J0 has been eliminated.* *The Allied team has won the game!* |
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Bockscar had a malfunctioning fuel pump and were unable to utilize the 600 gallons of fuel in that tank. They made three passes over the primary target but because of smoke and cloud/haze cover they were unable to see the target. They were low on fuel at this point and immediately diverted to Nagasaki. AFAIK they were never subjected to any flak. www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/abomb/mp07.htm#n On the morning of August 9th, 1945, at about 7:50 A.M., Japanese time, an air raid alert was sounded in Nagasaki, but the "All clear" signal was given at 8:30. When only two B-29 superfortresses were sighted at 10:53 the Japanese apparently assumed that the planes were only on reconnaissance and no further alarm was given. A few moments later, at 11:00 o'clock, the observation B-29 dropped instruments attached to three parachutes and at 11:02 the other plane released the atomic bomb. |
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"Operation Downfall"
Now THAT is a name for a military operation! Not "Iraqi Freedom" Not "Enduring Freedom" Not "Philadelphia Freedom" Fucking "INFINITE JUSTICE" had such an AWESOME ring to it before we went PC. |
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Not what I have read in a number published accounts… Also found this reference on the web… "Staff Sergeant DeHart, in the tail-gun position, reported flak "wide, but altitude is perfect." Fighters were detected on radar; Staff Sgt. Gallagher thought he saw fighters through the haze. http://history1900s.about.com/library/prm/blbombthatended4.htm |
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I don't understand it either. My FIL was a U.S. Marine and saw combat in many of the major battles in the Pacific. My SO's father joined the Navy at 17 and served aboard an aircraft carrier during WWII. He also fought in many of the major Pacific battles against the Japanese. His ship was hit by a Kamikaze attack during one of the battles. They were not violent men after the war and just married, got jobs, bought houses and started families. After the attack on Pearl they both would have killed every man, woman and child in Japan had they been given the chance. They never questioned what needed to be done. They just went and did it. |
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Concerning the article posted by Tarazoo....
Sweet Jesus. "Bloodbath" doesn't even come close. The OCEAN would have run red! Thank God for a pair of B-29's and their cargo. |
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Here is another reference to flak over Kokura. www.uwosh.edu/home_pages/faculty_staff/earns/olivi.html Based on earlier weather reports, the crew of Bockscar flew to Kokura fully expecting to drop its bomb on the city and return quickly to Okinawa. Upon arrival, however, the military arsenal at Kokura was obscured by industrial haze and smoke from a nearby fire. The bombardier had specific orders not to drop the bomb unless he could see the target. Three times Sweeney passed overhead, but without success. With the fuel supply now an even greater concern and enemy flak becoming a problem, Sweeney took Bockscar on the most direct route to Nagasaki. |
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In honor of the 60th anniversary the Air Force should have fueled up the Enola Gay and flown it over Hiroshima at the exact time of day. No announcement or PR crap, just a lone B29 flying over the City. People would have shit and run for cover.
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So what was Chester like in person? |
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Do you remember the political SHTF when the Confederate Air Force flew their B-29 FIFI over their field and lit off a huge pyrotechnic fireball in commemoration of the Hiroshima & Nagasaki Bombings? The Jap government went absolutely fucking nuts!!!!! Andy |
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This is the link of the site where I got that article from. Besides the article, there are also maps of the invasion that make Normandy look like playing in a sandbox.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/8141/downfall.html |
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It was one of the greatest acts of human decency of that century.
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Hooray for the end of the war in the Pacific. Hooray for every bullet and bomb that made that happen. I'm not likely to celebrate with a minute of silence, I'm likely to celebrate with a firecracker. Light black cat. Kaboom. Multiply by 100,000,000. God Bless America, and may the dead from both sides rest in peace. Jim |
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We need a little more of this attitude today... Edit: And thank God for the crews of the Enola Gay and Bockscar. They saved a ton of lives. I STILL cheer everytime I see a movie, news story, or archive footage of Fat Man or Little Boy exploding. Is that wrong? I surely don't think so. |
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One of my grandfathers was a doctor serving in the Pacific during the war. He treated many victims of Japanese torture. He said the two bombs were the best thing the Americans did. He also said that he didn't know any Americans who wanted to invade Japan.
So why do we have to hear about all these Japanese "victims"? Screw them, they were given ample opportunity to surrender. They shouldn't have started something that they had no hope of finishing. |
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The Confederate Air Force has gotten all PC and changed their name to The Commemorative Air Force |
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It wasn't just Japan that had problems with their food crops at the time. European food production was significantly down for several years after WW2 ended and the UK didn't end it's food rationing until the very late 40's. My mother can remember helping her mother prepare packages of food to send to the UK (from Australia) around '47 - '48 because rationing was still in place. As for the use of the bombs, I have no doubt at all that using them killed fewer people than an all out invasion or a blockade of Japan, but I did some digging on the topic of the bombs during the last week and the number of senior US military leaders from WW2 who are on public record saying they thought the use of the bombs unneccesary is very suprising. Eisenhower (on record objecting to using the bombs before they were used). USN Admirals Leahy, Nimitz, Halsey, King (all of the USN 5 star admirals of WW2) and Lewis. USAF Generals Arnold, Spaatz, LeMay and Chennault (Commander of the "Flying Tigers"), US Army Brigadier Generals Clarke and Bonners. General Marshall stated that the use of the bombs was a political decision, not a military one but does not appear to have said outright that they didn't need to be used at all, only that in his opinion the decision to use them was made for political reasons, not military necessity. Herbert Hoover's diary has an entry of a conversation with MacArthur:
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No, a LOT more. |
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I didn't know that! |
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AWSOME!!! AHGHAHAHAHAHAHAAH |
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The reason is that we are now infected with "Blame America First" liberals who are still totally pissed off that the Soviet Union has died and turned to ashes. They see US as the true evil in the world...the one true impediment to their socialist nirvana. What bullshit! If NYC was fucking NUKED, and thousands of the bed-wetter libs were smoked, those assholes would STILL blame the US. |
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So...junior...are we looking forward to being in hack during our next really sweet liberty port...say Haifa, Nice...or maybe Pattaya Beach? Keep it up...!!! |
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Hundreds of thousands of Allied troops were saved by the Bomb...and millions of Japs were too.
In September 1945, my father was in Denver CO teaching gunnery school. Before that he was a waist gunner on a B-24. He completed his 30 missions over Europe with the 8th AF in early 1944 and returned hom to marry my mother on New Years Eve 1944. When the war ended, my father had orders to a B-29 group then forming up in Kansas. He was on his way to bomb Japan in late 1945 had the war continued. I was born nine months and four days after the surrender in Tokyo Bay. They were both very happy to see it end. |
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It never ceases to amaze me how much I learn from this site. Everything from history to the best brand of washer and dryer to buy and even a little about AR-15s.
It does help to have a bunch of old guys, like LWilde, that have lived through most of history to provide perspective. Throw me in hack, it was worth it. Seriously, this has been fascinating. Now I have a book to go buy. |
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I'd like to take the time to say Thank You President Truman ( I realize he's deceased )
I'm sure that he agonized over the decision beforehand And afterwards probably had some regret or sleepless nights after seeing the Power of the Weapons which we brought to bear on the Japanese But unlike the SPINELESS politicians that we have in office today ( Both Democrat and Republican ) that talk a good talk but refuse to act or those that are constantly committing acts of sedition Harry Truman made a tough decision to use whatever was necessary to defeat our enemies |
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All I can think about is the line from Aliens, "You want some of this?"
Yep, to quote
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