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Posted: 4/27/2005 7:39:28 AM EDT
Please make sure that every Maine resident you know learns about this.

A piece of (trash) anti-gun legislation was just introduced that actually managed to shocked me. I have been through so many different pieces of gun legislation in the last 2 decades, on both a State and National level, that I thought nothing would be surprising anymore. Guess what... I was wrong.  I have my hands on a copy of Senator Strimglings "LD-1579 - An Act to Extend the Ban on Assault Weapons" and I have never seen such a draconian piece of legislation introduced this side of Nazi Germany. Just in case you think I may think I am being an alarmist or just getting carried away, read a few of these words included in the bill and decide for yourself.

Banning of "Manufacture, Transfer or Possession" of currently owned, completely legal firearms and ammunition.

"Confiscation" and "Seizure" and "Forfeiture" of currently owned, completely legal firearms and ammunition.

The firearms this bill concerns are just regular, run of the mill firearms that are not a part of the crime problem in this state or any other. You can mark my words that if this is allowed to pass, NO FIREARM you own will ever be safe from this kind of knee-jerk reactionary legislation. Senator Strimgling knows this and has been well trained by his handlers.

The last time things looked this bleak was in 1994. On July 2nd of that year we had thousands of people on the lawn in front of the Capitol building demanding that our politicians no longer usurp our rights and would be held accountable for their actions should they continue to do so. We helped organize similar rallies in every state in the US and in Washington DC and over 100,000 people stood up and declared the same. 4 months later something called the "Republican Revolution" happened and the anti gun Democrats lost control of the congress for the first time in 40 years. Please never believe your voice or vote does not matter.

At the Maine Rally, Governor Baldacci (then running for Congress) stood in front of us and declared that "You are the patriots of 1994" and he denounced this same kind of legislation being proposed on a national level.  This is more than a Republican thing or a Democrat thing or a Libertarian thing…..IT IS A FREEDOM THING.

There was just a hasty date set for a hearing on this piece of legislation. It is NEXT MONDAY, May 2 at 10:00am in room 200 of the Cross building. We need to be there in numbers these legislators never thought possible and testify against this. Even if you do not testify your presence will speak volumes.

Please contact your legislators and urge them to vote against this anti-American, anti-freedom bill and let them know you do not take your freedom for granted. E-mail, call, and write to everyone you know and urge them to do the same. Make arrangements to be at the Cross building in Augusta for that hearing on Monday and bring everyone you know. This one is to be taken extremely serious and is not just another pesky gun bill.

The sponsors of this bill are as follows. Please contact them and let them know you will not allow them to play games with our rights and will be happy to replace them in the next election cycle if they continue to support something so draconian.

If you know people who do not understand the "Great Assault Weapons Lie" e-mail them this poster or print it and give it to them. Get these in every business in the State to help people understand how they are being lied to. http://www.asmainegoes.com/ubb-scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=030969

Here are the sponsors. Let's let them know we will NEVER stand for this foolishness.

(D) Carol Grose (Woolwich) District 65 443-2843
[email protected]

(D) Arthur Lerman (Augusta) District 57 623-6358
[email protected]

(D)Ethan Striming(Cumberland) District 8 828-8634
[email protected]

(D) Stan Gerzofsky(Brunswick)District 66 373-1328
[email protected]

(D)Patricia Blanchette(Bangor)District16 942-8692
[email protected]

(D)Michael Brennan(Cumberland)District 9 773-1995
[email protected]

(R)Kimberly Davis (Augusta) District 56 622-2968
[email protected]

(R)John Churchill (Washburn) District 7 455-4632
[email protected]



Link Posted: 4/27/2005 7:45:43 AM EDT
[#1]
Which firearms do they want to take away? I wish you folks good luck! I hope your attendence at the hearings will help...but I don't know how prevasive this anti-gun mentality is in your state.

Molon Labe!
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 7:47:14 AM EDT
[#2]
2 Republican?  RINOs?  Assfucks?  
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 7:49:56 AM EDT
[#3]
As a last resort, the Constitution does provide for voting from the rooftops.

I just pray it never comes to that.
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 7:58:38 AM EDT
[#4]
Isn't that little company based in Maine?

Yanno, that AR company. Starts with a B.

Oh yeah, Bushmaster. I wonder what the government would think if they stopped getting (property, sales, income from the employees) taxes from a manufacturering company like that if they up and outlawed their main product.

Almost sounds like Michigan outlawing V8 engines.
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 8:06:39 AM EDT
[#5]
Be it enacted by the People of the State of Maine as follows:

Sec. 1.  17-A MRSA §1058 is enacted to read:

§1058.  Manufacture, transfer or possession of assault weapon or
.50 caliber rifle or ammunition

1.  A person is guilty of manufacture, transfer or possession of an assault weapon, a .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition if, without authority to do so, the person knowingly manufactures or causes to be manufactured, knowingly transfers or knowingly possesses an assault weapon, a .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition.

2.  As used in this section, unless the context otherwise indicates, the following terms have the following meanings.

A.  "Antique firearm" means any firearm manufactured prior to January 1, 1899.

B.  "Assault weapon" means:

(1)  The following specified rifles:

(a) All AK series, including, but not limited to, the models identified as follows:

(i) Made in China AK, AKM, AKS, AK47, AK47S, 56, 56S, 84S and 86S;

(ii) Norinco 56, 56S, 84S and 86S;

(iii) Poly Technologies AKS and AK47;

(iv) MAADI AK47 and ARM;

(v) UZI and Galil;

(vi) Beretta AR-70;

(vii) CETME Sporter;

(viii) Colt AR-15 series;

(ix) Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100 and AR110 C;

(x) Fabrique Nationale FAL, LAR, FNC, 308 Match and Sporter;



(xi) MAS 223; and

(xii) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and HK-PSG-1;

(b) The following MAC types, including, but not limited to:

(i) RPB Industries, Inc. sM10 and sM11;

(ii) SWD Incorporated M11;

(iii) SKS with detachable magazine;

(iv) SIG AMT, PE-57, SG 550 and SG 551;

(v) Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48;

(vi) Sterling MK-6;

(vii) Steyer AUG;

(viii) Valmet M62S, M71S and M78S;

(ix) Armalite AR-180;

(x) Bushmaster Assault Rifle;

(xi) Calico M-900;

(xii) J&R ENG M-68; and

(xiii) Weaver Arms Nighthawk;

(2)  The following specified pistols, including, but not limited to:

(a) UZI; and

(b) Encom MP-9 and MP-45;

(3)  The following MAC types:

(a) RPB Industries, Inc. sM10 and sM11;

(b) SWD Incorporated M-11;

(c) Advance Armament Inc. M-11;

(d) Military Armament Corp. Ingram M-11;



(e) Intratec TEC-9;

(f) Sites Spectre;

(g) Sterling MK-7;

(h) Calico M-950; and

(i) Bushmaster Pistol;

(4)  The following specified shotguns:

(a) Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12;

(b) Striker 12; and

(c) The Streetsweeper type S/S Inc. SS/12;

(5)  A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:

(a) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

(b) A thumbhole stock;

(c) A folding or telescoping stock;

(d) A grenade launcher or flare launcher;

(e) A flash suppressor; or

(f) A forward pistol grip;

(6)  A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds;

(7)  A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches;

(8)  A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:

(a) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer;

(b) A second handgrip;



(c) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer's hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel; or

(d) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip;

(9)  A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds;

(10)  A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:

(a) A folding or telescoping stock; and

(b) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock or vertical handgrip;

(11)  A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine; and

(12)  Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

"Assault weapon" does not include any antique firearm or competition pistol.

C.  "Capacity to accept more than 10 rounds" means capable of accommodating more than 10 rounds, but may not be interpreted to include a feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.

D.  "Competition pistol" means a pistol that is sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee and by the national governing body for international shooting competition in the United States and that is used for Olympic target shooting purposes, including the following pistols:

(1)  Benelli MP90 .22LR;

(2)  Benelli MP90 .32 S&W LONG;

(3)  Benelli MP95 .22LR;

(4)  Benelli MP95 .32 S&W LONG;



(5)  Hammerli 280 .22LR;

(6)  Hammerli 280 .32 S&W LONG;

(7)  Hammerli SP20 .22LR;

(8)  Hammerli SP20 .32 S&W LONG;

(9)  Pardini GPO .22 SHORT;

(10)  Pardini GP-SCHUMANN .22 SHORT;

(11)  Pardini HP .32 S&W LONG;

(12)  Pardini MP .32 S&W LONG;

(13)  Pardini SP .22LR;

(14)  Pardini SPE .22LR;

(15)  Walther GSP .22LR;

(16)  Walther GSP .32 S&W LONG;

(17)  Walther OSP .22 SHORT; and

(18)  Walther OSP-2000 .22 SHORT.

E.  "Fifty caliber rifle"  or ".50 caliber rifle" means a centerfire rifle that can fire .50 caliber ammunition and is not an assault weapon pursuant to paragraph B;  ".50 caliber rifle" does not include any antique firearm.

F.  "Magazine" means any ammunition feeding device.

G.  "Series" includes all other models that are only variations, with minor differences, of those models listed in this section, regardless of the manufacturer.

H.  "Transfer" means to sell, furnish, give, lend, deliver or otherwise provide, with or without consideration.

3.  Manufacture, transfer or possession of an assault weapon, a .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition is a Class D crime.

4.  The Attorney General and the Chief of the State Police shall create a system for identifying and exempting new models of competitive pistols that would otherwise fall within the definition of "assault weapon" pursuant to this section from


being classified as assault weapons.  The exempt competitive pistols may be based on recommendations by the national governing body for international shooting competition in the United States consistent with the regulations contained in that organization's official rules or may be based on the recommendation or rules of any other organization that the department deems relevant.

5.  The Attorney General and the Chief of the State Police shall create a system for identifying any other models of assault weapons that are only variations of those weapons with minor differences that are prohibited by this section, regardless of the manufacturer.

6.  The Attorney General shall adopt rules to implement the purposes of this section.  Rules adopted pursuant to this section are routine technical rules as defined in Title 5, chapter 375, subchapter 2-A.

Sec. 2.  17-A MRSA §§1052 to 1054, as enacted by PL 1975, c. 499, §1, are amended to read:

§1052. Right to possess, carry or transport machine gun, assault
weapon, .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition

Any law enforcement officer of the State of Maine, any law enforcement officer of another state or a territory of the United States, members of the Armed Forces, Maine National Guard and Maine State Guard may possess a machine gun, assault weapon or.50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition if the possession or carrying of such that weapon or ammunition is in the discharge of his that person's official duties and has been authorized by his that person's appointing authority.

Machine guns, assault weapons and .50 caliber rifles and ammunition manufactured, acquired, transferred or possessed in accordance with the National Firearms Act, as amended, shall be are exempt from this chapter.

§1053. Confiscation and seizure of machine gun, assault weapon or
.50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition

Any machine gun, assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or  .50 caliber ammunition possessed in violation of section 1051 or section 1058 is declared to be contraband and is subject to forfeiture to the State. Any law enforcement officer shall have has the power to seize the same with due process.

When a machine gun, assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition is seized as provided, the officer seizing the same shall immediately file with the judge before whom such


warrant is returnable, a libel against the machine gun, assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition, setting forth the seizure and describing the machine gun, assault weapon or.50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition and the place of seizure in a sufficient manner to reasonably identify it, that it was possessed in violation of law and pray for a decree of forfeiture thereof. Such The judge shall fix a time for the hearing of such libel and shall issue his the monition and notice of same to all persons interested, citing them to appear at the time and place appointed to show cause why such machine gun, assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition should not be declared forfeited, by causing true and attested copies of said the libel and monition to be posted in 2 public and conspicuous places in the town and place where such machine gun, assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition was seized, 10 days at least before said the libel is returnable. In addition, a true and attested copy of the libel and monition shall must be served upon the person from whom said the machine gun, assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition was seized and upon the owner thereof, if their the person's whereabouts can be readily ascertained 10 days at least before said the libel is returnable. In lieu of forfeiture proceedings, title to such seized machine gun, assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition may be transferred in writing to the State of Maine by the owner thereof.  If title to and ownership in the machine gun, assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition is transferred to the State, a receipt for the machine gun shall, assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition must be given to the former owner by the law enforcement officer who seized the machine gun, assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition.

§1054. Forfeiture of machine gun, assault weapon, .50 caliber
rifle or .50 caliber ammunition

If no claimant for a machine gun, assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition seized under the authority of section 1053 appears, the judge shall, on proof of notice, declare the same to be forfeited to the State. If any person appears and claims such machine gun, assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition, as having a right to the possession thereof at the time when the same was seized, he the person shall file with the judge a claim in writing stating specifically the right so claimed, the foundation thereof, the item so claimed, any exemption claimed, the time and place of the seizure and the name of the law enforcement officer who seized the machine gun, assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition, and in it declare that it was not possessed in violation of this chapter, and state his that person's


business and place of residence and sign and make oath to the same before said the judge. If any person so makes claim, he shall that person must be admitted as a party to the process, and the libel, and may hear any pertinent evidence offered by the libelant or claimant. If the judge is, upon hearing, satisfied that said the machine gun, assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition was not possessed in violation of this chapter, and that claimant is entitled to the custody thereof, he the judge shall give an order in writing, directed to the law enforcement officer having seized the same, commanding him the law enforcement officer to deliver to the claimant the machine gun, assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition to which he the claimant is so found to be entitled, within 48 hours after demand. If the judge finds the claimant not entitled to possess the machine gun, assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition, he the judge shall render judgment against him the claimant for the libelant for costs, to be taxed as in civil cases before such judge, and issue execution thereon, and shall declare such machine gun, assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition forfeited to the State. The claimants may appear and shall recognize with sureties as on appeals in civil actions from a judge. The judge may order that the machine gun, assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or.50 caliber ammunition remain in the custody of the seizing law enforcement officer, pending the disposition of the appeal. All machine guns, assault weapons or .50 caliber rifles or .50 caliber ammunition declared forfeited to the State, or title titles to which have been transferred to the State in lieu of forfeiture proceedings shall must be turned over to the Chief of the Maine State Police. If said the machine gun, assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition is found to be of a historic, artistic, scientific or educational value, the State Police may retain the machine gun, assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition for an indefinite period of time. Any other machine gun, assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition declared forfeited and in possession of the State Police shall must be destroyed by a means most convenient to the Chief of the State Police.


SUMMARY

This bill creates the Class D crime of knowingly manufacturing, transferring or possessing an assault weapon, a.50 caliber rifle or .50 caliber ammunition.  The Legislature has defined assault weapons as the types, series and models listed in this bill because it was the most effective way to identify and restrict a specific class of semiautomatic weapons.  The new crime defines several terms, including "assault weapon" and ".50 caliber rifle" and directs the Attorney General and the Chief of


the State Police to create a system for identifying, exempting and adding new models as necessary.  "Assault weapon" and ".50 caliber rifle" do not include antique firearms.  Pistols that are sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee and by the national governing body for international shooting competition in the United States and that are used for Olympic target shooting purposes are also exempted.

The bill amends current law regarding the confiscation, seizure and forfeiture of machine guns, so that the same procedures and due process apply to the confiscation, seizure and forfeiture of assault weapons and .50 caliber rifles and ammunition.  Machine guns, assault weapons and .50 caliber rifles and ammunition manufactured, acquired, transferred or possessed in accordance with the National Firearms Act, as amended, are exempt from these laws.

The crime of knowingly manufacturing, transferring or possessing an assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or ammunition does not apply to any law enforcement officer of the State, any law enforcement officer of another state or a territory of the United States or a member of the Armed Forces, Maine National Guard or Maine State Guard who possesses an assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle or ammunition if the possession or carrying of the weapon or .50 caliber ammunition is in the discharge of that person's official duties and has been authorized by that person's appointing authority.

Link Posted: 4/27/2005 8:07:35 AM EDT
[#6]
Wow, just...wow.
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 8:11:28 AM EDT
[#7]
Nevermind - I caught the updated post.
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 8:11:46 AM EDT
[#8]
Edited after I read the list.

Bastards!
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 8:11:56 AM EDT
[#9]
Damn, will it ever end!?    

These idiots are getting pretty brave by suggesting confiscation.  Maybe they feel it's time to actually show their hand.

I'm glad I don't live in a state like that.  But I will gladly come there and vote twice to try to help.  
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 8:12:44 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Curious...they name only Colt AR-15.  My AR-15 doesn't have Colt on it anywhere. Is it legal?

I'm curious as to why they didn't specify: AR-15 rifles ?



That was my question too, but the post got changed.
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 8:14:10 AM EDT
[#11]
If this happens there is only one thing to do...and you know what it is.

Hint: This does NOT involve any boating accidents either
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 8:16:34 AM EDT
[#12]
jeez, even in DC when the gun ban took effect there was no confiscation.
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 8:21:16 AM EDT
[#13]
That well written garbage defines both UZIs and AR-15s as "AK series."

ETA:  Any AR would fall under the following:

(5) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:

(a) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
...

Link Posted: 4/27/2005 8:21:21 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Curious...they name only Colt AR-15.  My AR-15 doesn't have Colt on it anywhere. Is it legal?

I'm curious as to why they didn't specify: AR-15 rifles ?


Because the gun banners apparently get their lists of bannable weapons from reading 15 year old Gun Digests.
I used to love the old ban attempts that had relatively rare weapons like the "Wilkinson Linda pistol". When was the last time you saw one of those? I actually had to look up many of the guns that they used to mention in older bans.
In the older state and federal ban attempts, they would often mention "Colt AR-15". So Colt changed the name to "Colt Sporter" to get around it. Recently they've gotten wise and added language to include "all similar models" as is the case with the AK line item.
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 8:27:03 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
That well written garbage defines both UZIs and AR-15s as "AK series."



I caught that too.  Dumbasses.
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 8:30:46 AM EDT
[#16]
6 Democrats.  What did you expect?  Good luck.
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 8:49:00 AM EDT
[#17]
Thanks for the info.  I've had post on this going over in the NewEngland Hometown forum but I didn't have the full wording.

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=26&t=198595
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 8:49:05 AM EDT
[#18]
Mods, How about a tack for this important topic?

Everyone please write in and tell these clowns this is rediculous!

Guess it may be time to "sell" my guns to my father in Vermont...

Damn, and I can't go to Augusta next monday...
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 8:56:56 AM EDT
[#19]
btt
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 9:11:51 AM EDT
[#20]
It would be awesome if Bushmaster just moved out of state to punish them for even bringing that bill up.
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 9:19:00 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
It would be awesome if Bushmaster just moved out of state to punish them for even bringing that bill up.



Except for the majority of Bushy's employees having to either lose their jobs or uproot their families to follow the company.

Hell, might be too expensive for Bushy to relocate and they could just shut down and sell their name to another company.

Ban appears modeled after the Caliban.  We truly do lead the country.  
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 9:19:39 AM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
It would be awesome if Bushmaster just moved out of state to punish them for even bringing that bill up.



Not to all the people that work for them and would lose their jobs it's not.
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 9:33:19 AM EDT
[#23]
ETA: JUST SENT TO MY REP IN PRESQUE ISLE

John,

This is the first time I have ever written to a representative.  I chose this time to write to you as, this bill really scares me.  I am a gun owner, and an ex-police officer for the towns of Bar Harbor, and Fort Fairfield.  This bill, as written would mean that officers of the state would come to my home and confiscate my guns?  Isn't this a clear violation of the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United Sates?  I see this as a bill that had little or no research behind it.  These guns, in the hands of rational, responsible gun owners possess no threat to anyone.  I own these guns because they are fun to shoot - at paper.  If it is a matter of lack of knowledge regarding firearms, I would be more than happy to teach you all that I know regarding firearms, gun safety, and the fun of shooting.  

I think that it is irresponsible to ban a certain class of guns just because they look scary.  Take for example, the Bushmaster series of rifles.  (Incidentally, are you aware that this company is based here in Maine?)  These rifles are no more dangerous than any other firearm.  Any weapon that can fire a bullet can kill someone.  Would you then ban every gun in the state?  That would be absurd, as I feel is LD1579.  To take away my right to own/possess a certain kind of weapon just because it looks scary, that is not responsible law-making.  

Why would there be no grandfathering clause for current guns/owners?  Even the 1994 Crime bill (Assault Weapons Ban) had provisions for weapons that were already in the hands of citizens.  Why is it necessary for the State to confiscate weapons already in the hands of responsible citizens?  What purpose could that serve?  Maine is not currently being overrun by terrorists, gang-bangers, or other gun violence.  I live in Maine because I feel that It is the way life should be.  What was the impetus for this bill, why was it introduced?  I can see no reason, other than certain agendas, for this type of legislation to be introduced into Maine.  

Please don't back this bill, it is ridiculous, and uneducated law-making.  

Thank you for your time.

Donald L. Gibson
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 9:33:20 AM EDT
[#24]
This legislation looks very similar to HB 2414 here in Illinois.  This is the new strategy of the Anti-Bill of Rights faction.  They know they can't anything in the Federal System so they are now taking it to the States in an attempt to divide and conquer us.

It's time to put a stop to this permamently! Call and write the NRA, your local representatives and most importantly your Federal Representatives.  It sounds crazy, it sounds superfluous, but I for one think it's high time some legislation was passed affirming that the Second Ammendment does indeed guarantee an individual right and is NOT about duck hunting!!!

Link Posted: 4/27/2005 9:37:12 AM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:

Quoted:
It would be awesome if Bushmaster just moved out of state to punish them for even bringing that bill up.



Not to all the people that work for them and would lose their jobs it's not.




Bring them too.


Hey Bushmaster. PA has these Keystone Opportunity Zones. No state taxes. Come on down to PA.
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 9:39:59 AM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:
It would be awesome if Bushmaster just moved out of state to punish them for even bringing that bill up.



Not to all the people that work for them and would lose their jobs it's not.



If my employer decided to pack it up and move to a freer state, I'd be overjoyed!  Part of the downside of moving is getting another job.  If you keep your job by moving, then the worst part is the hassle of selling your house.
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 9:42:10 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
As a last resort, the Constitution does provide for voting from the rooftops.

I just pray it never comes to that.



Until we, the gunowners, do this to show we will NOT let our guns be taken away and live under and oppressive regime, we will continually see these Bills introduced.
Its unfortunate, but the only way to send a firm message will be the day we start gunning the asshats that want to take away the Rights bestowed upon us by the Constitution and the Amendments.
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 9:43:02 AM EDT
[#28]
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 9:47:05 AM EDT
[#29]
Holy crap.

I think this deserves a tack?  mods?
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 9:48:05 AM EDT
[#30]
That well-written piece of legislation bans ALL 50 caliber modern firearms. That includes your Sharps. Any rifles shoot .500 S&W?

Link Posted: 4/27/2005 9:51:51 AM EDT
[#31]
WTF
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 9:55:53 AM EDT
[#32]
I have written every senator in Augusta, Hopefully this will help.

I do not think it has come to roof-top diplomacy...

Don
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 9:56:08 AM EDT
[#33]
There are two new tactics the anitgun nitwits are using.  One is going after guns at the state level, as has already been mentioned.  The other, in effect on this bill, is to reach to the stars, so to speak.  By including confiscation in the bill, they have something to give away in conference.   Thinking the gun owners will be so happy to avoid outright confiscation they'll accept the rest of the ban.  I hope Maine doesn' let that happen...

Alpine
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 9:58:14 AM EDT
[#34]
C'Mon everyone!  Cowboy Up, Let them know who elects them.  Please help us out and send them emails, Phone calls, Faxes etc....We can't let this stand....

Link Posted: 4/27/2005 10:01:19 AM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:
Damn, will it ever end!?    

These idiots are getting pretty brave by suggesting confiscation.  Maybe they feel it's time to actually show their hand.

I'm glad I don't live in a state like that.  But I will gladly come there and vote twice to try to help.  



+1  It's a short drive for me.....
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 10:20:23 AM EDT
[#36]
Jesus.
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 10:35:13 AM EDT
[#37]
Damn.  I would have a hard time not calling my reps and asking them to vote FOR it.  

Since the incremental destruction of our rights will lead to us falling one by one, a law like this might precipitate the confrontation, and get this issue out in the open once and for all.  Once the socialists realize we won't lay down, the bullshit will end.  It's a civil rights issue after all - they might as well pass a law introducing slavery again.

These asshats need to remember that we're the ones with the guns.  If we were half as violent as these idiots claim we are, they'd already be dead.
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 11:00:32 AM EDT
[#38]
What a massive pile of suck
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 11:05:24 AM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:
These asshats need to remember that we're the ones with the guns.  If we were half as violent as these idiots claim we are, they'd already be dead.



Mind if I borrow that for a new sig?
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 11:08:15 AM EDT
[#40]


I can't believe that. I lived in Maine for years and was almost thinking of going back at some point. But that is now a resounding HELL NO! What are the democrats trying to do to us? Make us like the fucking Brits (no offense) and not allowed to have firearms! I guess they're looking at it from the point that since the Federal Ban is gone they'll try and do it state by state. Stupidity rules i guess.
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 11:10:43 AM EDT
[#41]
Just got this in from one of the reps I emailed today.

Don, it has no chance of passing.  John




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From: Don Gibson [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:59 PM
To: Martin, SenJohn
Subject: RE: LD1579



Great!  Thanks for your continued support!  Do you think that this legislation has a chance of passing?



Sounds like this legislation would directly contradict your article of the Maine Constitution



Don



The Only Thing Necessary For The Triumph Of Evil Is For Good Men To Do Nothing

--Edmund Burke






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From: Martin, SenJohn [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:53 PM
To: Don Gibson
Subject: RE: LD1579

Don, I was the sponsor of the right to bear arms presently in the Maine



constitution.  John




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From: Don Gibson [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:51 PM
To: Martin, SenJohn
Subject: LD1579



Greetings!



I am writing to encourage you not to support LD1579.  As an ex-police officer, I feel that it is an unreasonable intrusion on my Second Amendment rights.  I am a responsible gun owner who enjoys shooting for fun.  To think of officers of the state coming to take my firearms which have never threatened anyone, makes me very upset.  Maine has always been a state of good citizens, and responsible gun ownership.  Please do not support taking that away from responsible citizens.



I support the Second Amendment to the US Constitution, and I hope you will as well.



Sincerely.



Donald L. Gibson
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 11:13:50 AM EDT
[#42]
That bill basically Sets the civillian owned gun technology level back to the 1880's
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 11:18:54 AM EDT
[#43]
At least this will help protect the people of Maine from the extremly large and violent street gangs/ militias that reside in the state of Maine, we all know that hes been a problem for years.
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 11:35:51 AM EDT
[#44]
Sounds like this is just another effort by the antis to test our will.  Having said that, what a great opportunity these jerks have given us to show our resolve.  E-mails are off to my rep and senator, and I'll be in Augusta Monday.

BTW, this will be a topic on the WGAN morning news-talk show tomorrow between 5:30 and 9:00AM on AM 560.

Almost forgot-gun show at the Biddeford Ice Arena this weekend.  
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 11:47:34 AM EDT
[#45]
I wonder what the VPC/Brady Bunch are promising these state legislators to get them to introduce this cookie-cutter legislation all over the place. It's blatantly coordinated.
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 12:11:19 PM EDT
[#46]

Quoted:

Quoted:
These asshats need to remember that we're the ones with the guns.  If we were half as violent as these idiots claim we are, they'd already be dead.



Mind if I borrow that for a new sig?



Sure, be my guest
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 12:43:30 PM EDT
[#47]
The "FUCKTARD""ASSHAT""CROTCHMONKEY" that "WROTE" this bill was on the radio this morning telling about how these dangerous "AUTOMATIC" weapons were being used in crimes etc. Though I know that this bill will most likely not pass, It pisses me off that this guy is just trying to get his name in the news this way, state elections are comming soon.
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 12:48:29 PM EDT
[#48]

Quoted:
As a last resort, the Constitution does provide for voting from the rooftops.

I just pray it never comes to that.



...nice save
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 1:03:20 PM EDT
[#49]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Curious...they name only Colt AR-15.  My AR-15 doesn't have Colt on it anywhere. Is it legal?

I'm curious as to why they didn't specify: AR-15 rifles ?



That was my question too, but the post got changed.



They didn't name anyother's because Bushmaster is located in Maine.  These people sound pretty arrogant show up protest if you have a petition online I will sign it.  Remember if they do manage somehow to get this crap through sue the shit out of them as soon as they attempt the first confiscation that is a violation of your 4th ammendment right.  
Link Posted: 4/27/2005 2:05:10 PM EDT
[#50]

Quoted:
Be it enacted by the People of the State of Maine as follows:

Sec. 1.  17-A MRSA §1058 is enacted to read:






I think I know where they got this... it reads almost exactly the same as our old Bill C-68......


Good luck guys, this legislation screwed us up pretty badly up here
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