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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:02:39 AM EDT
[#1]
Nope, I'm a lefty.
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:03:47 AM EDT
[#2]
I hate bull pups with a passion.
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:03:56 AM EDT
[#3]
i've had a strong hankerin for a m-17s but i've heard that you can't see after a few shots from powder fumes. i want to shoot one before i buy.
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:08:37 AM EDT
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I like em. Its just another tool for the toolbox, for certain situations they are great, and in other situations they are not optimal. You can say that about the AR15, the AK47, or any other system. I don't think it would be the ONLY rifle I would own, above all other systems, but I think they can be a useful tool to add to the toolbox.
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:09:30 AM EDT
[#5]
No, they are gay looking....
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:10:49 AM EDT
[#6]
 
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:11:02 AM EDT
[#7]
I do have a m17s and I really like mine.
No malfunctions so far after 1500+ rounds with good ammo. More accurate than I thought. Fun Little plinker. 
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:11:29 AM EDT
[#8]
No
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:12:24 AM EDT
[#9]
Most pups can be configured lefty and in a pinch you can fire on other side if your smart enough to keep your face off the ejection port. Kinda like being near the muzzle blast but can be done in a pinch. |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:13:34 AM EDT
[#10]
Beautiful Twins you've got SteyrAUG.
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:14:25 AM EDT
[#11]
Well... If someone made a bullpup with bottom feed & bottom eject, modular upper/lower recievers, and a direct-impingement gas system (ala AR), I'd like it... In addition to the smaller gun, you get a more direct transmission of recoil (& thus more controllable fire)...
However, the vast majority of bullpup designs are either right-eject (so no weak-hand use allowed), use a strainge special top-loading mag (ala P90) to allow bottom eject, or use some convoluted & jam-prone shell-ejector system (ala FN2000)... Further, I'm a perticular fan of the AR-style gas system, and would consider it a 'must have' in any future rifle (not SAW or MG, but rifle) design... All of the bullpup designs (ex maybe the Bushy XM17) lack this feature... |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:16:22 AM EDT
[#12]
I know, but that still limits their usefulness to me. Perhaps a downward ejection would work better. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind having a couple in my collection (maybe a lefty AUG), but in general I'm not a big fan of bullpup configurations. I recognize the benefits (shorter overall length) but they also have downsides. |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:17:33 AM EDT
[#13]
Ive never had an interest in Bull Pup rifles, they just feel awkward to me, I like HK's better than the Steyer Augs.
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:18:59 AM EDT
[#14]
Good idea but mag feed would have to be from the side and not terribly condusive to a pup. P90 type top feed would be hard with 5.56 unless you go Bren style.
Again, you CAN fire weak hand but you gotta keep your face off the port. |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:19:16 AM EDT
[#15]
Yup, I love bullpup rifles but can't afford them or can't shoot them because they are for right handed shooters only. The BM M17 and the Steyr Aug (USR) come to mind.
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:20:54 AM EDT
[#16]
I like bullpup rifles, but I don't currently own one. I had an M17 and a bullpup-converted Marlin 9mm Camp Carbine. Sold/traded them both. I miss the M17, but not the Marlin. (I still have a traditionally-stocked Camp Carbine which I like very much.)
I've been tempted to build the bullpup AK conversion, but everything I've heard about them has been negative. How about bullpup shotguns?... I do still have a Mossberg Bullpup 12 Gauge. (no pics here at the office - I'll try to remember to take one tonight & post it tomorrow) |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:21:56 AM EDT
[#17]
I actually hate bullpup designed rifles.
I can't think of many more unpleasant manners in which to fire a rifle. And if you're firing full-auto, you will understand why having the action pressed closely against your face is NOT a very good idea. Eric The(BeenThere,DoneThat)Hun 
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:22:42 AM EDT
[#18]
When you were complaining about owning ANOTHER UZI, I developed a strong sense of jealousy. Now, that is turning into a severe dislike! I hate you! 
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:22:49 AM EDT
[#19]
I have found myself attracted to them lately, however I shoot lefty so I have not thought hard of buying one.
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:27:11 AM EDT
[#20]
They do nothing for me
 and in the tradition of Markm they should be banned
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:28:59 AM EDT
[#21]
Bottom feed & eject... Have the port behind the mag, buffer tube along & below the axis of the barrel (ala ZM or OA-93)... When the bolt travels back, it passes over the top of the mag, impacts the ejector & dumps the spent case, then proceeds forward to strip off & load the next round... A little less space saving, but a better design... |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:29:41 AM EDT
[#22]
...for the children!
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:33:36 AM EDT
[#23]
I`ve only shot my 10/22 with my Muzzlelite Bullpup stock on it. I like it but I gotta keep my right arm down so it won`t get sprayed with hot burning powder!
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:36:00 AM EDT
[#24]
Almost forgot to ask.....
Why does it seem that most people here hate/dislike Bullpups in general but almost everyone here would give their left nut for a Steyr AUG? |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:36:27 AM EDT
[#25]
As far as the "action" being close to the shooter's face, my M17 has a hefty upper casing, and I'd be much more apprehensive about firing one of those 50BMG bullpups than a .223.
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:37:59 AM EDT
[#26]
Because the gubbamint says you shouldn't have a Steyr Aug, and they have banned them from import! If it's bad for me, I usually want 2!
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:40:38 AM EDT
[#27]
How Ya Like Me Now..?   
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:44:15 AM EDT
[#28]
Nope, not me! I've got much better plans for my left nut! Eric The(I'veGrownAttachedToIt)Hun
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:47:52 AM EDT
[#29]
From watching "Die Hard" in the late '80s. Seriously, I wanted one since I saw that movie. Maybe if they were cheap (close to the price of an AR) I would get one, but that will never happen. Even if DSA (or someone else) makes them, I'd guess the price will but at least $1500 but probably upwards around $1700-1900. But to be honest, if I got one, I'd probably not use it much and would eventually sell it when I got bored. |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:48:05 AM EDT
[#30]
HAHA
But really... A lot of people say Bullpups = yuck I`d rather have a Hexxe/Vulcan Arms..... And then they say Steyr AUG = take my car this is the ultimate autorifle Or is it just cause its a rare preban? |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:50:07 AM EDT
[#31]
Oh, I HATE YOU TOO. Can I come over and play?
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:54:07 AM EDT
[#32]
The funny thing is when they were available you couldn't sell a... Steyr AUG $600 HK 94 $600 SIG 550 $900 before the ban. People used to balk at $400 for a HK91 or HK 93 in the early 80s. And a LOT of people simply couldn't think of a practical reason for something like a AR15 or a AK. They were pretty much looked at like "survivalists" guns and even those guys didn't buy the choice stuff and had a shotload of SKS rifles and a few ARs. Before 1989 it was rare to find someone with military style rifles in their collection and I only knew about a dozen guys out of 100s of shooters who collected them almost exclusively, mosly ex military. How things have changed.
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:56:12 AM EDT
[#33]
Same here. |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 9:59:57 AM EDT
[#34]
Steyr AUG $600!
HK 94 $600!! SIG 550 $900!!! Damn, where the hell was I in the 80's!!! Oh, yeah, high school. So what makes the AUG so much better than the other bullpups? Other than the nice curves. |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 10:00:20 AM EDT
[#35]
To me the major drawback to a bull-pup is that the chamber is THAT much closer to my brain bucket.Unreasonable, shure but I like a little distance between me and the chamber.
Also it does'nt do any thing greater better then a standard rifle/carbine can do. (JMHO) |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 10:00:25 AM EDT
[#36]
For some reason I cannot wrap my head around whether a Bushy M17s would be legal to own in California.
It's a centerfire semi that take detachable mags plus has a pistol grip...so that a negatory in CA correct? |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 10:03:09 AM EDT
[#37]
For some reason the only bullpup I like is the israeli Tavor bullpup. I'd love to get one of those, but not the mutilated civilian version, I want an evil semi-auto version of the military one. which I don't think is even in the states or importable.
  Check this shit out from a sight with pics from the 2002 shot show.
As far as I know that never happened, anyone know how/where I can find out more I really want one of these guns. |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 10:06:39 AM EDT
[#38]
Sorry to tell you, you're correct. I had to register/marry mine. Now it's mine for life.
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Posted: 7/22/2004 10:07:47 AM EDT
[#39]
Very interesting discussion.
Assuming the receiver/stock is reinforced by the face (to protect from kabooms), I wouldn't be afraid to use it. It is a really nice idea to be able to put a long barrel into a rifle and have the overall length be relatively short. Imagine a long range sniping/sharpshooter rifle with an overall length shorter than the average M16! Of course, to do that they would have to design a bullpup with a really good trigger. That is the devil in the details. Bullpups seem to rely heavily on optics and I haven't seen any with real iron sights. Optics are a wonderful thing, but they're expensive and it's good to have irons to fall back on when something breaks. |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 10:12:28 AM EDT
[#40]
I love bullpups - I think they are the logical evolution of the assault rifle. As long as they are left/right switchable, they are definitely a superior and smarter design.
Worrying about kabooms is like driving an Amish horsebuggy instead of a car because you're afraid of the gasoline exploding and killing you. Remember that the Mauser Broomhandle was a great design until the Luger (or earlier Borchard) put the magazine BEHIND the trigger, rather than in front, so the overall gun could be shorter, better balanced, and still retain the same (or longer) barrel length. |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 10:12:49 AM EDT
[#41]
I too am a lefty, and I'd love an AUG. It's about the only bullpup that will work for southpaws. |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 10:15:04 AM EDT
[#42]
The SAR-21 caught my eye a while back. It'd be fun to own.
world.guns.ru/assault/sar21_2.jpg world.guns.ru/assault/sar21_3.jpg |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 10:15:37 AM EDT
[#43]
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggggg..... |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 10:17:37 AM EDT
[#44]
Just better made than most. |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 10:36:42 AM EDT
[#45]
It is the IIRC phillipine version of the Tavor. |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 10:42:08 AM EDT
[#46]
I guess you couldn't make a bullpup rifle without a pistol grip since it has no stock.
 That would mean no bullpups in all the banned states. |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 10:44:07 AM EDT
[#47]
IIRC the Tavor is made here & exported to Israel, as part of their aid deal... |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 10:45:57 AM EDT
[#48]
Yet no one here sells them? That sucks if it's true. I put in an e-mail to Barrett asking about it to see if I could get some info, I hope they can give me something. |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 10:58:17 AM EDT
[#49]
i whas thinking that a bulpup rifle might be good for a car gun eg the shorter bbl would alow for more manuvrablity
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Posted: 7/22/2004 10:59:08 AM EDT
[#50]
I have the Ruger 10/22 bull pup and for under arm shooting its ok. The gun is not held firmly in place by the stock so for shooting with sights, don't bother. Of course I bought it before the preban days with high cap clips so they may be better now. Dont shoot it much. I like accurate.
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