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Posted: 1/18/2017 10:56:19 PM EDT
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The echo looks interesting, but it will probably be banned in wa. The other one is already banned here and the reviews I saw showed it outrunning the bolt home causing it to not fire.
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Posted: 1/18/2017 10:59:39 PM EDT
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Kinda cool. Not $350 cool.
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Posted: 1/18/2017 10:59:50 PM EDT
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We got in 12 Echo triggers and have already sold 11. No complaints so far. Business partner got one and he said "IT ROCKS!!"
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Posted: 1/18/2017 11:03:38 PM EDT
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The echo looks interesting, but it will probably be banned in wa. The other one is already banned here and the reviews I saw showed it outrunning the bolt home causing it to not fire. I want to put an Echo in the 300 BLK I'm building. I came to the same conclusion on the other trigger as well, way too many issues with review videos. |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 11:05:39 PM EDT
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Kinda cool. Not $350 cool. Where you finding Echo triggers for $350???? I'm a dealer and that's below cost, even when you buy 12 of them. Hook us up!! Or is I missing a link since I'm on Chrome??? |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 11:08:23 PM EDT
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Where you finding Echo triggers for $350???? I'm a dealer and that's below cost, even when you buy 12 of them. Hook us up!! Or is I missing a link since I'm on Chrome??? There are other binary triggers besides the fostech ;) |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 11:10:10 PM EDT
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I'm currently looking Franklin Armory but am open to suggestions.
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Posted: 1/18/2017 11:11:32 PM EDT
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Where you finding Echo triggers for $350???? I'm a dealer and that's below cost, even when you buy 12 of them. Hook us up!! Or is I missing a link since I'm on Chrome??? OP never said whose trigger. Botach (LOL) has or had Frankin Armory for $360 |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 11:14:23 PM EDT
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Watch a few youtube vids, they run like shit
would not bang |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 11:19:02 PM EDT
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Watch a few youtube vids, they run like shit would not bang Good suggestion since I have only watched manufacturer videos at this point. |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 11:44:18 PM EDT
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What is a binary trigger?
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Posted: 1/18/2017 11:48:25 PM EDT
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Watching a video on the Eco trigger it shows it will not work with a full auto carrier. I think all of my rifles are running full auto carriers. Haven't seen that mentioned with Franklin Armory.
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Posted: 1/18/2017 11:49:21 PM EDT
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What is a binary trigger? |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 11:50:26 PM EDT
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Watching a video on the Eco trigger it shows it will not work with a full auto carrier. I think all of my rifles are running full auto carriers. Haven't seen that mentioned with Franklin Armory. Isn't that the one that comes with a stripped carrier? |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 11:56:07 PM EDT
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Isn't that the one that comes with a stripped carrier? Yes, Franklin might also but I don't know. |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 11:56:45 PM EDT
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Fostech provides a carrier for you.
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Posted: 1/19/2017 12:01:42 AM EDT
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My vote is build a #Bumpsaw
- Clint |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 12:07:09 AM EDT
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Franklin does not require a different Bolt carrier.
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Posted: 1/19/2017 12:13:13 AM EDT
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Franklin does not require a different Bolt carrier. It also seems to be open to hammer follow |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 12:30:47 AM EDT
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It also seems to be open to hammer follow Seeing that in the early ones on video but not the new Gen3. ????? Might get both systems at some point and see which is better. Fifteen ARs so it could get really expensive if I go crazy lol. I can haz a Franklin tomorrow!!! |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 12:33:38 AM EDT
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My vote is build a #Bumpsaw - Clint I have a Bumpfire Stock. Love the thing on my 9mm. At least it is somewhat affordable to shoot that way! 
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Posted: 1/19/2017 12:50:05 AM EDT
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Franklin Armory BFS gen 3 for the winz.
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Posted: 1/19/2017 12:58:50 AM EDT
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Franklin Armory BFS gen 3 for the winz. Seriously thinking of foing! 
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Posted: 1/19/2017 1:15:15 AM EDT
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What is a binary trigger? An expensive waste of money. Check the poll. |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 1:19:26 AM EDT
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They're not good for anything except making YouTube videos.
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Posted: 1/19/2017 1:19:42 AM EDT
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How could this accident have been avoided.
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Posted: 1/19/2017 1:38:02 AM EDT
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How could this accident have been avoided. This. |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 4:06:27 AM EDT
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I have one of the 2nd gen Franklin Armory BFS triggers in a rifle. It is neat, but a huge PITA to install. I'm pretty sure the 3rd gen BFS triggers are easier to install.
Sure, it is a waste of money, but so is a lot of the other cool stuff I have. At least I can make use of the pictogram auto markings on that Spikes lower. |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 10:28:02 AM EDT
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An expensive waste of money. Check the poll. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is a binary trigger? An expensive waste of money. Check the poll. Wrong. |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 10:42:42 AM EDT
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My Echo is fun as shit. No problems so far. There is a lot of engineering in there, and it comes with a stripped carrier. People spend a lot more on dumber shit when it comes to guns.
It does take some getting used to. You have to be sure to pull the trigger all the way back, then release. |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 11:06:19 AM EDT
[#31]
I'd worry about muscle memory, having a gun that goes off when you release the trigger seems like a recipe for a ND.
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Posted: 1/19/2017 11:13:22 AM EDT
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I'd worry about muscle memory, having a gun that goes off when you release the trigger seems like a recipe for a ND. That is a definite concern, especially if handing the gun to an inexperienced shooter. Very awkward movement holding the trigger back and hitting the selector back to semi to prevent the second shot! |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 9:51:05 PM EDT
[#33]
Double tap deluxe.
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Posted: 1/19/2017 10:06:08 PM EDT
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I have a Franklin gen 2. fun fun fun
With a AIM lightweight bolt and a springco red, I can't get it to hammer follow even if I try. They are great but you have to be prepared to tweak the gun to get them to work perfectly. |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 10:10:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/19/2017 10:15:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWell maybe if MAGA I can afford one 
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Posted: 1/19/2017 10:16:27 PM EDT
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Here is my Fostech Echo.
 Fostech Echo 100rd Surefire Dump https://youtu.be/5zCXcdkOtL8  Fostech Echo 650RPM run. https://youtu.be/sZROXPG1ZTA Here is my gen II Franklin.(single malfunction is due to a loose carrier key)  SF 100 with Franklin Binary trigger https://youtu.be/t9O5NAHCp7Y No video from my Franklin gen III, it just showed up and I haven't had time for a range trip yet. |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 10:17:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/19/2017 10:19:09 PM EDT
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I'd worry about muscle memory, having a gun that goes off when you release the trigger seems like a recipe for a ND. |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 10:19:20 PM EDT
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I have a gen2 BFS in my MPX, I can easily outrun the bolt and get annoyed.
I will likely pull it and try it in one of my AR's with a light weight BCG and springco orange spring. If the hammer outruns that combo (which works great with bumpfire) I guess it will be pulled and thrown in the back of the drawer or sold. |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 10:19:46 PM EDT
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Don't some of the retro clone guys reweld demilled M16 lower bits (specifically, just the part with the rollmark) to 80% lowers? Do one of those and drop in an Echo trigger.
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Posted: 1/19/2017 10:21:26 PM EDT
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It also seems to be open to hammer follow |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 10:23:16 PM EDT
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My vote is build a #Bumpsaw - Clint You also get better stock choices with the binary type triggers. |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 10:25:00 PM EDT
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The echo looks interesting, but it will probably be banned in wa. The other one is already banned here and the reviews I saw showed it outrunning the bolt home causing it to not fire. |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 10:26:39 PM EDT
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Watch a few youtube vids, they run like shit would not bang |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 10:36:38 PM EDT
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For an SMG clone, absolutely.
For an AR, no... |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 10:40:03 PM EDT
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The key is to keep cycle speed of the carrier faster than cycle speed of your hammer. A little extra spring and a little extra gas or less carrier mass and you can't outrun it if you want to. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It also seems to be open to hammer follow Franklin Gen3 comes with a much stiffer spring in the kit. There is a video of Franklin Arsenal Gen3 shooting faster than a full auto M4. Machinegungirl or something like that. ETA here it is  Franklin Armory BFS Gen 3 Beats A Fully Auto M4! |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 10:47:40 PM EDT
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Here is my Fostech Echo.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zCXcdkOtL8
https://youtu.be/5zCXcdkOtL8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZROXPG1ZTA
https://youtu.be/sZROXPG1ZTA Here is my gen II Franklin.(single malfunction is due to a loose carrier key) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9O5NAHCp7Y
https://youtu.be/t9O5NAHCp7Y No video from my Franklin gen III, it just showed up and I haven't had time for a range trip yet. Finger getting tired????
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Posted: 1/19/2017 11:07:02 PM EDT
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Finger getting tired???? A 30rd mag is easy to keep the speed uniform. Drop a 100rd mag in and you definitely slow down towards the end.
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Posted: 1/19/2017 11:08:20 PM EDT
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i am waiting for the rash of AD's from them to hit the fb page. it's honestly just a matter of time before some mouth breathing retard shoots himself.
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