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Posted: 4/30/2016 12:34:37 PM EDT
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/call-6-carrier-said-it-might-stay-if-workers-cut-their-pay-to-585-an-hour
Call 6 Investigates found out that during those talks Carrier apparently told the union they could possibly stay if the workers agreed to cut their pay from about $23 an hour to $5.85 an hour. Carrier is supposed to save about $65 million a year when it moves to Mexico in 2017. |
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Atleast move to a free state and keep the jobs in the states.
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In before weird angry arfcom guys say that $5.85 is a perfectly fine wage.
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In before Carrier gets nailed with some Federal lawsuit for suggesting below minimum wage pay. |
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Who the fuck would authorize this statement? On what planet would this sort of statement garner support for the company? They need to fire their PR rep.
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What fucking retard would even suggest something so fucking stupid?
It's honestly just a fuck you to all of the people they will be firing. |
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Quoted: Atleast move to a free state and keep the jobs in the states. View Quote And then wages still kill their product, their AC units run 40-70% more then your wonderfully built Chinese piece of shit and they can no longer compete selling here or anywhere else. And Americans buy the cheap piece of crap Chinese units because, hey, it's cheaper. And then Carrier goes out of business. Americans, our own worst enemies. |
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http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/call-6-carrier-said-it-might-stay-if-workers-cut-their-pay-to-585-an-hour Call 6 Investigates found out that during those talks Carrier apparently told the union they could possibly stay if the workers agreed to cut their pay from about $23 an hour to $5.85 an hour. Carrier is supposed to save about $65 million a year when it moves to Mexico in 2017. View Quote Eff them. |
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If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model.
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Who the fuck would authorize this statement? On what planet would this sort of statement garner support for the company? They need to fire their PR rep. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote You should read the story. The statement from Carrier addresses the $5.85 claim as impossible. It's the union manipulating things. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Now that's what you call negotiating from a position of strength! Carrier holds all the cards on this deal.
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If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model. View Quote Competing against Chicom imports and Americans who want cheap shit. Maybe it's time Americans reexamine how we spend our money. |
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If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model. View Quote In your job who do you think your company would rather employ? You making xx an hour or someone who makes 1/20th of what you make? |
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Didn't Trump say he was bringing that wage back to the US? At least that's what came to my mind when he said he could build iphones here cheaper.
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Even a yuuuuge tariff might not split the difference on that wage gap. lol |
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There shouldnt be any minimum wage. If the market commands a certain hourly wage then it's capitalism. Look at singapore - they dont have a minmum wage. All their service sector McJobs consist of elderly and teens. Able bodied adults have to work on their skills and get a job that supports their families. None of this lazy FSA work 20 hours a week and get gov aid BS
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There shouldnt be any minimum wage. If the market commands a certain hourly wage then it's capitalism. Look at singapore - they dont have a minmum wage. All their service sector McJobs consist of elderly and teens. Able bodied adults have to work on their skills and get a job that supports their families. None of this lazy FSA work 20 hours a week and get gov aid BS View Quote I agree. A min. wage tells the business what it has to pay you not what the market should pay you. Get rid of min. wage and see how many jobs offer more money because they have to in order to employ people. |
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Quoted: There shouldnt be any minimum wage. If the market commands a certain hourly wage then it's capitalism. Look at singapore - they dont have a minmum wage. All their service sector McJobs consist of elderly and teens. Able bodied adults have to work on their skills and get a job that supports their families. None of this lazy FSA work 20 hours a week and get gov aid BS View Quote NO SHIT Only old people and teenagers have those jobs. If you started a family and are pushing 30 and making minimum wage, is it the company's obligation to support you with a commensurate wage? No, shit for brains, it's yours. What are you doing making minimum wage when you're 30? What are you doing having children you know you can't support? |
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Not sure where the truth begins in this matter, but if you read down into the article, Carrier's spokesperson claims they never made such an offer. According to Carrier, the only mention of the wage comparison was meant to demonstrate to the union that there was no concessions they could possibly make that would alter Carrier's intention to relocate -- it's been resolved.
No, I'm not taking Carrier's side, or saying either party is right or wrong here. Is Carrier being puron on their commitment? |
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Brutal fact about artificial minimum wages, you can always find cheaper labor somewhere else.
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No, that's confronting the workers with reality. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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... that's mean to even suggest it No, that's confronting the workers with reality. Yep. The union wanted to know what it would take for them to stay. The company said it. And who would have thought NAFTA would continue to benefit us? |
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Don't buy anything they built after Feb 10, 2016, there may be some defects not good for your house.
Just sayin' |
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If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model. Perhaps their business model has become shitty due to government's over regulation of everything. I wonder what payroll taxes the company pays for their $23/hour workers.... |
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Who the fuck would authorize this statement? On what planet would this sort of statement garner support for the company? They need to fire their PR rep. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote I'd guess the union, it was probably said in response to a question like "is there NO possible way to keep the place here in Indiana?", " yeah, at $5.85/HR maybe... " Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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"We are disappointed the union has apparently chosen to negotiate through the media, rather than engage in productive discussions with us. The company never suggested our employees should work for $5.85. The union was told that to achieve the $65 million in annual savings resulting from the relocation, the average hourly wage rate would need to be $5.85 per hour. That is not possible and shows why the company believes the union cannot offer concessions sufficient to change the company's intent to relocate. That’s why it’s time for the union to return to the table to talk about what’s important now, reaching an agreement that provides clarity and certainty for our employees during the transition." View Quote Looks like the union is just trying to cause problems... lol...Fuck unions..you get what you deserve. |
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I was thinking the same thing. It can't be legal to threaten someone's job unless they agree to take minimum wage. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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In before Carrier gets nailed with some Federal lawsuit for suggesting below minimum wage pay. I was thinking the same thing. It can't be legal to threaten someone's job unless they agree to take minimum wage. Is that what happened? Isn't it just as likely that the company told the workers, hey, here's the equivalent cost point. See? This doesn't work here. |
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You should read the story. The statement from Carrier addresses the $5.85 claim as impossible. It's the union manipulating things. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Who the fuck would authorize this statement? On what planet would this sort of statement garner support for the company? They need to fire their PR rep. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile You should read the story. The statement from Carrier addresses the $5.85 claim as impossible. It's the union manipulating things. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile And the arfcom statist union fucksticks lap it up. |
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Quoted: http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/call-6-carrier-said-it-might-stay-if-workers-cut-their-pay-to-585-an-hour Call 6 Investigates found out that during those talks Carrier apparently told the union they could possibly stay if the workers agreed to cut their pay from about $23 an hour to $5.85 an hour. Carrier is supposed to save about $65 million a year when it moves to Mexico in 2017. View Quote |
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How many of you remember the 92 debates between Perot and Gore??
Gore was saying NAFTA would bring the worlds wages up to our level,while Perot was saying they would bring ours down,along with the giant sucking sound of jobs leaving the country. "No one could have seen this coming" |
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Quoted: And if the value of your labor is only worth $5.85 an hour to a company maybe it's time to improve your skill set. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model. And if the value of your labor is only worth $5.85 an hour to a company maybe it's time to improve your skill set. |
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that's poorly considered, by Carrier. It's a slap in the face. Who the fuck thought of this? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/call-6-carrier-said-it-might-stay-if-workers-cut-their-pay-to-585-an-hour Call 6 Investigates found out that during those talks Carrier apparently told the union they could possibly stay if the workers agreed to cut their pay from about $23 an hour to $5.85 an hour. Carrier is supposed to save about $65 million a year when it moves to Mexico in 2017. The union is the one who released the "quote". The union is the ones who are causing the problems. Fuck them. |
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