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Posted: 2/7/2016 8:30:29 PM EDT
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Yes legalize it and all drugs. We don't have enough addicted , numb, high/stoned, people amongst us. It's no one's business what someone else does..... until they kill you or a loved one in an accident or while committing a robbery to support their habit. We should have the government supply the drugs, that way we can cut down on the associated negative behavior the drug addicted embrace. We should also stop any law suit that may arise when a drug addicted doctor, nurse, etc. fucks up and kills someone. We don't have enough addicted, abused, hungry, forgotten children out there. Yes, we should remove ALL stigma of drug abuse..... all drugs should be legalized and in effect have the government and society condone and encourage their use. AND, in a perfect world, we could all stop working and remain high and in a state of bliss. We could reach the utopia so many of us want...... we could become a country where no one works and money falls from the sky....... those of us that do work wouldn't mind our health care premiums going up by a factor of 10 to pay for the health problems so many of the drug addicted experience. Yes, lets legalize it and take away any and all stigma of drug use...... let's promote the use of drugs and condone it. All the problems that would arise can be easily dealt with. 
How many people presently want cocaine but can't get it due to its illegality? Do you think it would take you more than an hour or so to get some cocaine if you wanted some? Would you start using it if it were legal? |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 8:35:00 PM EDT
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As long as all of the people who say that all drugs should be legal have the addicts live with them so they get to experience the havoc that they wreak on their families. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes, stop wasting money on the war on drugs, if people want to kill themselves thats their problem. As long as all of the people who say that all drugs should be legal have the addicts live with them so they get to experience the havoc that they wreak on their families. Lol. I'll answer your red herring with a question: Of the war on drugs was working, I take it we don't have any addicts, or the addicts we have are availed of treatment for their addiction rather than severely punished to such a degree that they can never get another decent job after they pay for their sins..thereby providing a way for continued existence, no on tax payer $? Because punishment, no matter how extreme, seems to not work so well. we literally condemn people to scraping the bottom of the barrel, for life...and we still have addicts. time to try something new. I posit that taking 10% of the total $ spent on the WOD and using it for treatment focused on getting these people back to work. I bet we have more success and less cost (lost tax $ and money spent on the WOD) my way than doubling down on the current system. let the untreatables kill themselves off. and if you keep an addict around....joke is on you. and that is any addiction that has potential to cause behavior issues, alcohol is included. |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 8:36:57 PM EDT
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As having Libertarian views I say sure. Not my thing though..  +1 Dumbasses should be free to make dumb decisions, and they should also be free suffer the consequences of those dumb decisions. As long as I'm not paying for their health insurance, I don't care how many morons OD. |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 8:39:27 PM EDT
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I would like to have a small amount in my Coca-Cola instead of caffeine.
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Posted: 2/7/2016 8:40:01 PM EDT
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Yes, but don't prop up bad behavior on the taxpayer's dime. Legalize the product, control the quality, and don't ration the quantity. If it were cheaper to treat junkies than incarcerate them, is it a better deal for taxpayers? Are we more interested in just punishing people or solving problems? http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/choosing-substance-abuse-treatment-over-prison-could-save-billions-study/ Personally, I'm sick of the government spending money that they are borrowing from unborn generations. It isn't our money to spend at this point. Unless we want to pay a hell of a lot more taxes than we do right now, we need to decide what is really worth spending money on. Locking people up for getting high isn't high on my priority list anymore. I want to lock up people who steal my shit. |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 11:41:51 PM EDT
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I'd rather cocaine than marijuana if I had to choose. wtf?? |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 11:53:40 PM EDT
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Yes, stop wasting money on the war on drugs, if people want to kill themselves thats their problem. |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 11:56:51 PM EDT
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As long as all of the people who say that all drugs should be legal have the addicts live with them so they get to experience the havoc that they wreak on their families. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes, stop wasting money on the war on drugs, if people want to kill themselves thats their problem. As long as all of the people who say that all drugs should be legal have the addicts live with them so they get to experience the havoc that they wreak on their families. why do you hate freedom? oh yeah, NY.
Addicts can live on the fucking streets for all i care, and btw countries with no drug laws have lower drug use https://www.thefix.com/content/decrim-nation-portugal-ten-years-later Not to mention all the crime over drugs that would become non existent if drugs are legal. Who are you to tell other people what to do? And the war on drugs cost 1 TRILLION a year. |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 11:59:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We could have some really awesome energy drinks if it were legal. Coca-Cola???  |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:01:31 AM EDT
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OP needs to be more specific: Should cocaine be legalized for recreational use? Because it's already legal now for some medical uses.
And it's a moot point anyway, people will take it whether it is legal or not. Might as well save some money and civil liberties and get out of their way. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:04:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:04:25 AM EDT
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Fuck yo couch, OP.
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:07:56 AM EDT
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Prohibition hasn't worked.
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:20:28 AM EDT
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All drugs should be legal, but anti-overdose meds should be highly regulated. EMS/Hospitals should have it but it only be used in an accidental overdose by a medical professional while treating a patient. You OD on drugs, EMS/Hospital has no responsibility to attempt to revive/save your life.
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:24:51 AM EDT
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No. Druggies are one of the scourges of society. Someone who needs drugs like that is better served by walking off a cliff with waiting carnivores at the bottom. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:27:15 AM EDT
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Someone who needs drugs like that is better served by walking off a cliff with waiting carnivores at the bottom. So, everyone who has ever had their broken nose set? LOL |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:28:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:28:20 AM EDT
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Maybe...
I think we should probably just legalize cannabis at the federal level and see how that goes first. Then cautiously consider other drugs. My main issue with cocaine and meth is that the drugs can directly contribute to pharmacological violence. The addicts get all paranoid, strung out and violent sometimes. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:31:35 AM EDT
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Yes. Hookers and blow should be as readily available as delivery pizza. I concur. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:32:21 AM EDT
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Marijuana? Yes. Cocaine? No. Anyone who has done both knows why. Not all drugs are the same.
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:33:43 AM EDT
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sure,Brompton cocktail for the win.
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:37:18 AM EDT
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Yes. The government doesn't exist to protect me from my own poor decisions. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:38:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Marijuana? Yes. Cocaine? No. Anyone who has done both knows why. Not all drugs are the same. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:40:54 AM EDT
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Technically, it already is legal. It's a schedule 2 drug, used as a topical anesthetic in a lot of nasal surgery. Comes in a liquid form. And is NO fun at all to have sprayed in your nose before they pull those fucking plastic things out post-surgery. I mean, that shit was fucking heinously unpleasant. Unless procaine and cocaine are way different. I think the spray bottle said procaine. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:42:24 AM EDT
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I think we should have areas like islands where drugs of all kinds are legal, free and plentiful. Dumped by the boat loads where people can choose to go there, dope themselves out of their minds and then return to the mainland if they choose to.
Obviously, what we are doing now isn't working. As long as there is a illegal drug demand there will be an illegal drug supply and all the crime that goes along with it. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:44:03 AM EDT
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Absolutely.
Prohibition fixes nothing. Portugal did this and has fewer users as a result. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:44:15 AM EDT
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Yes legalize it and all drugs. We don't have enough addicted , numb, high/stoned, people amongst us. It's no one's business what someone else does..... until they kill you or a loved one in an accident or while committing a robbery to support their habit. We should have the government supply the drugs, that way we can cut down on the associated negative behavior the drug addicted embrace. We should also stop any law suit that may arise when a drug addicted doctor, nurse, etc. fucks up and kills someone. We don't have enough addicted, abused, hungry, forgotten children out there. Yes, we should remove ALL stigma of drug abuse..... all drugs should be legalized and in effect have the government and society condone and encourage their use. AND, in a perfect world, we could all stop working and remain high and in a state of bliss. We could reach the utopia so many of us want...... we could become a country where no one works and money falls from the sky....... those of us that do work wouldn't mind our health care premiums going up by a factor of 10 to pay for the health problems so many of the drug addicted experience. Yes, lets legalize it and take away any and all stigma of drug use...... let's promote the use of drugs and condone it. All the problems that would arise can be easily dealt with.
Yeah because being that drugs are illegal means that nobody can get them right? Wrong, anyone with $$ and motivation can get whatever they want. The war on drugs has done nothing to stop them from being obtained and used. It has created huge criminal organizations across the world. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:44:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Prohibition hasn't worked. Just because it hasn't stopped people from abusing it is not a valid argument to legalize it. Cocaine is a destructive drug without a doubt. It causes far more damage and at many more level where mj stops. And before it was just the harmless marijuana. No one ever dies from a mj ovedose. Until now. Why not add heroin and meth? The whole enchilada. And calling it a war on drugs is a joke. If it was dealt with as an actual war we wouldn't have this conversation today. But people wouldn't stand for it. Civil rights and stuff. We don't have a problem if it's treated like a war outside of our borders. With Blackhawks helos with Dillon mini-guns mowing down cartel guys. But folks here have an issue seeing a US cop wearing cargo pants. So..... But this country is on a steady decline, so why not? When we live in a country where our poor are not really poor, our homeless are actually mental health patients who cannot be compelled to live in a healthy manner, and drug addicts have diseases, we'll babysit, coddle, and take care of our drug consumers... for now. And remember, some countries put trafficker to death. They seem not to have a problem finding more death row convicts. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:53:37 AM EDT
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Child porn is prohibited. Still there are more CP cases now than any other time in history. Thanks to the internet. Should that be legal too because prohibition didn't eradicate the problem? Just because it hasn't stopped people from abusing it is not a valid argument to legalize it. Cocaine is a destructive drug without a doubt. And before it was just the harmless marijuana. No one ever dies from a mj ovedose. Until now. Why not add heroin and meth? The whole enchilada. And calling it a war on drugs is a joke. If it was dealt with as an actual war we wouldn't have this conversation today. But people wouldn't stand for it. Civil rights and stuff. We don't have a problem if it's treated like a war outside of our borders. With Blackhawks helos with Dillon mini-guns mowing down cartel guys. But folks here have an issue seeing a US cop wearing cargo pants. So..... But this country is on a steady decline, so why not? When we live in a country where our poor are not really poor, our homeless are actually mental health patients who cannot be compelled to live in a healthy manner, and drug addicts have diseases, we'll babysit, coddle, and take care of our drug consumers... for now. And remember, some countries put trafficker to death. They seem not to have a problem finding more death row convicts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Prohibition hasn't worked. Just because it hasn't stopped people from abusing it is not a valid argument to legalize it. Cocaine is a destructive drug without a doubt. And before it was just the harmless marijuana. No one ever dies from a mj ovedose. Until now. Why not add heroin and meth? The whole enchilada. And calling it a war on drugs is a joke. If it was dealt with as an actual war we wouldn't have this conversation today. But people wouldn't stand for it. Civil rights and stuff. We don't have a problem if it's treated like a war outside of our borders. With Blackhawks helos with Dillon mini-guns mowing down cartel guys. But folks here have an issue seeing a US cop wearing cargo pants. So..... But this country is on a steady decline, so why not? When we live in a country where our poor are not really poor, our homeless are actually mental health patients who cannot be compelled to live in a healthy manner, and drug addicts have diseases, we'll babysit, coddle, and take care of our drug consumers... for now. And remember, some countries put trafficker to death. They seem not to have a problem finding more death row convicts. If child porn was the same category of thing as cocaine, you might have a point. But it isn't. Child porn isn't illegal because "omg, pervs looking at pitchers! That's bad for you!" It's illegal because it requires the abuse of children to make. A better analogy to drug prohibition would be banning porn that includes underage cartoon characters. Or adult models photoshopped to look underage. Part of living in a free country means being free to make your own life choices. Even if they're bad or unhealthy. Or are we pretending that the framers created the Federal government, at least in part, so it could tell every living soul in the United States what they could or could not eat or drink? |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:59:26 AM EDT
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No one ever dies from a mj ovedose. Until now. No, that streak is unbroken. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 1:01:06 AM EDT
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So, everyone who has ever had their broken nose set? LOL Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Someone who needs drugs like that is better served by walking off a cliff with waiting carnivores at the bottom. So, everyone who has ever had their broken nose set? LOL WTF is that supposed to mean? I had my nose severely broken, laid down on the table and had a big gorilla doctor stick a rod up my nose and straighten it out ( as best he could ). After the 4th try at getting it right, he stopped. I got up, walked out of the ER, and drove the fuck home. No medication, no life saving coke...... no wonder drugs at all. Slept like a baby that night and woke up looking like a raccoon. Went to work the next morning and was fine. LOL!! |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 1:04:58 AM EDT
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I had my nose severely broken, laid down on the table and had a big gorilla doctor stick a rod up my nose and straighten it out ( as best he could ). After the 4th try at getting it right, he stopped. No medication Huh. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 1:08:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: legalizing vice is culturally suicidal Yeah. The country has really improved since we started making vices illegal. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 1:08:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If child porn was the same category of thing as cocaine, you might have a point. But it isn't. Child porn isn't illegal because "omg, pervs looking at pitchers! That's bad for you!" It's illegal because it requires the abuse of children to make. A better analogy to drug prohibition would be banning porn that includes underage cartoon characters. Or adult models photoshopped to look underage. Part of living in a free country means being free to make your own life choices. Even if they're bad or unhealthy. Or are we pretending that the framers created the Federal government, at least in part, so it could tell every living soul in the United States what they could or could not eat or drink? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Prohibition hasn't worked. Just because it hasn't stopped people from abusing it is not a valid argument to legalize it. Cocaine is a destructive drug without a doubt. And before it was just the harmless marijuana. No one ever dies from a mj ovedose. Until now. Why not add heroin and meth? The whole enchilada. And calling it a war on drugs is a joke. If it was dealt with as an actual war we wouldn't have this conversation today. But people wouldn't stand for it. Civil rights and stuff. We don't have a problem if it's treated like a war outside of our borders. With Blackhawks helos with Dillon mini-guns mowing down cartel guys. But folks here have an issue seeing a US cop wearing cargo pants. So..... But this country is on a steady decline, so why not? When we live in a country where our poor are not really poor, our homeless are actually mental health patients who cannot be compelled to live in a healthy manner, and drug addicts have diseases, we'll babysit, coddle, and take care of our drug consumers... for now. And remember, some countries put trafficker to death. They seem not to have a problem finding more death row convicts. If child porn was the same category of thing as cocaine, you might have a point. But it isn't. Child porn isn't illegal because "omg, pervs looking at pitchers! That's bad for you!" It's illegal because it requires the abuse of children to make. A better analogy to drug prohibition would be banning porn that includes underage cartoon characters. Or adult models photoshopped to look underage. Part of living in a free country means being free to make your own life choices. Even if they're bad or unhealthy. Or are we pretending that the framers created the Federal government, at least in part, so it could tell every living soul in the United States what they could or could not eat or drink? But CP is the best example to show, even though the mere possession of CP is illegal and a person will not get a break if caught, they still go after it. And other traffic it. And more so now because it's far more and easily available. Here in the US no one questions prohibiting that item. But the similarity between the two is at some point someone is victimize due to it's existence. And CP pervs will say they didn't victimize anyone on CP stuff and they need help. Hence they should receive treatment, JUST LIKE IT WAS A DRUG to which the are addicted. And if you don't think there is a victim at some level with drug addiction, you need some education. Drugs destroy lives and families. The reality is the US doesn't have a drug problem. It has a self-control and arrogance problem. And for FYI, in some of these countries which will put to death a drug trafficker, are silently ok with child porn or even child prostitution. Funny how that plays out. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 1:12:58 AM EDT
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Yeah because being that drugs are illegal means that nobody can get them right? Wrong, anyone with $$ and motivation can get whatever they want. The war on drugs has done nothing to stop them from being obtained and used. It has created huge criminal organizations across the world. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes legalize it and all drugs. We don't have enough addicted , numb, high/stoned, people amongst us. It's no one's business what someone else does..... until they kill you or a loved one in an accident or while committing a robbery to support their habit. We should have the government supply the drugs, that way we can cut down on the associated negative behavior the drug addicted embrace. We should also stop any law suit that may arise when a drug addicted doctor, nurse, etc. fucks up and kills someone. We don't have enough addicted, abused, hungry, forgotten children out there. Yes, we should remove ALL stigma of drug abuse..... all drugs should be legalized and in effect have the government and society condone and encourage their use. AND, in a perfect world, we could all stop working and remain high and in a state of bliss. We could reach the utopia so many of us want...... we could become a country where no one works and money falls from the sky....... those of us that do work wouldn't mind our health care premiums going up by a factor of 10 to pay for the health problems so many of the drug addicted experience. Yes, lets legalize it and take away any and all stigma of drug use...... let's promote the use of drugs and condone it. All the problems that would arise can be easily dealt with.
Yeah because being that drugs are illegal means that nobody can get them right? Wrong, anyone with $$ and motivation can get whatever they want. The war on drugs has done nothing to stop them from being obtained and used. It has created huge criminal organizations across the world. You are 100% correct. The war on drugs IS a joke and a scam....... "we" are being played while the connected get rich... no doubt. Funny, most want to talk about the fake "war on drugs" but many fail to mention the utter havoc and chaos drug use causes on society and families. It isn't just about the money spent on the fake war on drugs...... it is also about the destruction of the family, the abused children, the BILLIONS in medical costs/care, insurance rates, health care rates, etc. etc. Yeah, legalize that shit. If you believe legalization would not open up an entirely different set of problems and/or greatly increase the problems we already have I think you have not thought the problem through very well. I've seen several families utterly destroyed by drug addicted members...... legalize it, make it readily available, take the stigma away, condone it, etc. and see what happens. Yeah, you can stop the war on drugs and then get to enjoy living in a society that WILL see drug use skyrocket and all the problems associated with it greatly multiply. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 1:18:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are 100% correct. The war on drugs IS a joke and a scam....... "we" are being played while the connected get rich... no doubt. Funny, most want to talk about the fake "war on drugs" but many fail to mention the utter havoc and chaos drug use causes on society and families. It isn't just about the money spent on the fake war on drugs...... it is also about the destruction of the family, the abused children, the BILLIONS in medical costs/care, insurance rates, health care rates, etc. etc. Yeah, legalize that shit. If you believe legalization would not open up an entirely different set of problems and/or greatly increase the problems we already have I think you have not thought the problem through very well. I've seen several families utterly destroyed by drug addicted members...... legalize it, make it readily available, take the stigma away, condone it, etc. and see what happens. Yeah, you can stop the war on drugs and then get to enjoy living in a society that WILL see drug use skyrocket and all the problems associated with it greatly multiply. So if all drugs were legal you would go out and buy an eightball of coke, right? |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 1:22:13 AM EDT
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No. You missed my point. Om NO way was I even remotely placing CP with any illicit drug. I'd invite a cocaine trafficker to dinner before I'd ever gave the time a day to a perv in to kids. At least there is a level of honor amongst dealers and traffickers. But CP is the best example to show, even though the mere possession of CP is illegal and a person will not get a break if caught, they still go after it. And other traffic it. And more so now because it's far more and easily available. Here in the US no one questions prohibiting that item. But the similarity between the two is at some point someone is victimize due to it's existence. And CP pervs will say they didn't victimize anyone on CP stuff and they need help. Hence they should receive treatment, JUST LIKE IT WAS A DRUG to which the are addicted. And if you don't think there is a victim at some level with drug addiction, you need some education. Drugs destroy lives and families. The reality is the US doesn't have a drug problem. It has a self-control and arrogance problem. And for FYI, in some of these countries which will put to death a drug trafficker, are silently ok with child porn or even child prostitution. Funny how that plays out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Prohibition hasn't worked. Just because it hasn't stopped people from abusing it is not a valid argument to legalize it. Cocaine is a destructive drug without a doubt. And before it was just the harmless marijuana. No one ever dies from a mj ovedose. Until now. Why not add heroin and meth? The whole enchilada. And calling it a war on drugs is a joke. If it was dealt with as an actual war we wouldn't have this conversation today. But people wouldn't stand for it. Civil rights and stuff. We don't have a problem if it's treated like a war outside of our borders. With Blackhawks helos with Dillon mini-guns mowing down cartel guys. But folks here have an issue seeing a US cop wearing cargo pants. So..... But this country is on a steady decline, so why not? When we live in a country where our poor are not really poor, our homeless are actually mental health patients who cannot be compelled to live in a healthy manner, and drug addicts have diseases, we'll babysit, coddle, and take care of our drug consumers... for now. And remember, some countries put trafficker to death. They seem not to have a problem finding more death row convicts. If child porn was the same category of thing as cocaine, you might have a point. But it isn't. Child porn isn't illegal because "omg, pervs looking at pitchers! That's bad for you!" It's illegal because it requires the abuse of children to make. A better analogy to drug prohibition would be banning porn that includes underage cartoon characters. Or adult models photoshopped to look underage. Part of living in a free country means being free to make your own life choices. Even if they're bad or unhealthy. Or are we pretending that the framers created the Federal government, at least in part, so it could tell every living soul in the United States what they could or could not eat or drink? But CP is the best example to show, even though the mere possession of CP is illegal and a person will not get a break if caught, they still go after it. And other traffic it. And more so now because it's far more and easily available. Here in the US no one questions prohibiting that item. But the similarity between the two is at some point someone is victimize due to it's existence. And CP pervs will say they didn't victimize anyone on CP stuff and they need help. Hence they should receive treatment, JUST LIKE IT WAS A DRUG to which the are addicted. And if you don't think there is a victim at some level with drug addiction, you need some education. Drugs destroy lives and families. The reality is the US doesn't have a drug problem. It has a self-control and arrogance problem. And for FYI, in some of these countries which will put to death a drug trafficker, are silently ok with child porn or even child prostitution. Funny how that plays out. People can be victimized to make tennis shoes. Does that mean we should outlaw tennis shoes? Or does it mean we should outlaw abuse? No one must be abused to manufacture or sell cocaine. By contrast, a child must be abused for child pornography to be made. That is a fundamental difference between those two things. As to your point about victims... Addiction destroys lives and families. Does that mean government should regulate anything to which a human can become addicted? Porn addiction, alcohol addiction, tobacco addiction, unhealthy food addiction, Internet addiction, etc... This country may have a self-control problem. That doesn't mean the solution is outlawing all bad choices. No one ever got good at making life choices by being forbidden to make any life choices for themselves. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 1:23:25 AM EDT
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I think we should have areas like islands where drugs of all kinds are legal, free and plentiful. Dumped by the boat loads where people can choose to go there, dope themselves out of their minds and then return to the mainland if they choose to. Obviously, what we are doing now isn't working. As long as there is a illegal drug demand there will be an illegal drug supply and all the crime that goes along with it. It would undoubtedly be cheaper than what they do to society now. Our quality of life would improve also. Around here the crime rate would drop by 75% overnight. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 1:26:04 AM EDT
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You are 100% correct. The war on drugs IS a joke and a scam....... "we" are being played while the connected get rich... no doubt. Funny, most want to talk about the fake "war on drugs" but many fail to mention the utter havoc and chaos drug use causes on society and families. It isn't just about the money spent on the fake war on drugs...... it is also about the destruction of the family, the abused children, the BILLIONS in medical costs/care, insurance rates, health care rates, etc. etc. Yeah, legalize that shit. If you believe legalization would not open up an entirely different set of problems and/or greatly increase the problems we already have I think you have not thought the problem through very well. I've seen several families utterly destroyed by drug addicted members...... legalize it, make it readily available, take the stigma away, condone it, etc. and see what happens. Yeah, you can stop the war on drugs and then get to enjoy living in a society that WILL see drug use skyrocket and all the problems associated with it greatly multiply. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes legalize it and all drugs. We don't have enough addicted , numb, high/stoned, people amongst us. It's no one's business what someone else does..... until they kill you or a loved one in an accident or while committing a robbery to support their habit. We should have the government supply the drugs, that way we can cut down on the associated negative behavior the drug addicted embrace. We should also stop any law suit that may arise when a drug addicted doctor, nurse, etc. fucks up and kills someone. We don't have enough addicted, abused, hungry, forgotten children out there. Yes, we should remove ALL stigma of drug abuse..... all drugs should be legalized and in effect have the government and society condone and encourage their use. AND, in a perfect world, we could all stop working and remain high and in a state of bliss. We could reach the utopia so many of us want...... we could become a country where no one works and money falls from the sky....... those of us that do work wouldn't mind our health care premiums going up by a factor of 10 to pay for the health problems so many of the drug addicted experience. Yes, lets legalize it and take away any and all stigma of drug use...... let's promote the use of drugs and condone it. All the problems that would arise can be easily dealt with.
Yeah because being that drugs are illegal means that nobody can get them right? Wrong, anyone with $$ and motivation can get whatever they want. The war on drugs has done nothing to stop them from being obtained and used. It has created huge criminal organizations across the world. You are 100% correct. The war on drugs IS a joke and a scam....... "we" are being played while the connected get rich... no doubt. Funny, most want to talk about the fake "war on drugs" but many fail to mention the utter havoc and chaos drug use causes on society and families. It isn't just about the money spent on the fake war on drugs...... it is also about the destruction of the family, the abused children, the BILLIONS in medical costs/care, insurance rates, health care rates, etc. etc. Yeah, legalize that shit. If you believe legalization would not open up an entirely different set of problems and/or greatly increase the problems we already have I think you have not thought the problem through very well. I've seen several families utterly destroyed by drug addicted members...... legalize it, make it readily available, take the stigma away, condone it, etc. and see what happens. Yeah, you can stop the war on drugs and then get to enjoy living in a society that WILL see drug use skyrocket and all the problems associated with it greatly multiply. What about the families in Mexico living under the cartels that are a direct result of the war on drugs? Ill will venture to say these groups all through central and south America will kill more people and ruin more lives than what would occur in a legalized environment in the US. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 1:26:26 AM EDT
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If child porn was the same category of thing as cocaine, you might have a point. But it isn't. Child porn isn't illegal because "omg, pervs looking at pitchers! That's bad for you!" It's illegal because it requires the abuse of children to make. A better analogy to drug prohibition would be banning porn that includes underage cartoon characters. Or adult models photoshopped to look underage. Part of living in a free country means being free to make your own life choices. Even if they're bad or unhealthy. Or are we pretending that the framers created the Federal government, at least in part, so it could tell every living soul in the United States what they could or could not eat or drink? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Prohibition hasn't worked. Just because it hasn't stopped people from abusing it is not a valid argument to legalize it. Cocaine is a destructive drug without a doubt. And before it was just the harmless marijuana. No one ever dies from a mj ovedose. Until now. Why not add heroin and meth? The whole enchilada. And calling it a war on drugs is a joke. If it was dealt with as an actual war we wouldn't have this conversation today. But people wouldn't stand for it. Civil rights and stuff. We don't have a problem if it's treated like a war outside of our borders. With Blackhawks helos with Dillon mini-guns mowing down cartel guys. But folks here have an issue seeing a US cop wearing cargo pants. So..... But this country is on a steady decline, so why not? When we live in a country where our poor are not really poor, our homeless are actually mental health patients who cannot be compelled to live in a healthy manner, and drug addicts have diseases, we'll babysit, coddle, and take care of our drug consumers... for now. And remember, some countries put trafficker to death. They seem not to have a problem finding more death row convicts. If child porn was the same category of thing as cocaine, you might have a point. But it isn't. Child porn isn't illegal because "omg, pervs looking at pitchers! That's bad for you!" It's illegal because it requires the abuse of children to make. A better analogy to drug prohibition would be banning porn that includes underage cartoon characters. Or adult models photoshopped to look underage. Part of living in a free country means being free to make your own life choices. Even if they're bad or unhealthy. Or are we pretending that the framers created the Federal government, at least in part, so it could tell every living soul in the United States what they could or could not eat or drink? Freedom isnt free, and freedom isnt safe. Statistically the safest place to live is probably in solitary confinement. Not much of a life though. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 1:27:07 AM EDT
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You are 100% correct. The war on soft drinks IS a joke and a scam....... "we" are being played while the connected get rich... no doubt. Funny, most want to talk about the fake "war on tobacco" but many fail to mention the utter havoc and chaos tobacco use causes on society and families. It isn't just about the money spent on the fake war on promiscuity...... it is also about the destruction of the family, the abused children, the BILLIONS in medical costs/care, insurance rates, health care rates, etc. etc. Yeah, legalize that shit. If you believe legalization would not open up an entirely different set of problems and/or greatly increase the problems we already have I think you have not thought the problem through very well. I've seen several families utterly destroyed by internet porn addicted members...... legalize it, make it readily available, take the stigma away, condone it, etc. and see what happens. Yeah, you can stop the war on liqour and then get to enjoy living in a society that WILL see alcoholism skyrocket and all the problems associated with it greatly multiply. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes legalize it and all drugs. We don't have enough addicted , numb, high/stoned, people amongst us. It's no one's business what someone else does..... until they kill you or a loved one in an accident or while committing a robbery to support their habit. We should have the government supply the drugs, that way we can cut down on the associated negative behavior the drug addicted embrace. We should also stop any law suit that may arise when a drug addicted doctor, nurse, etc. fucks up and kills someone. We don't have enough addicted, abused, hungry, forgotten children out there. Yes, we should remove ALL stigma of drug abuse..... all drugs should be legalized and in effect have the government and society condone and encourage their use. AND, in a perfect world, we could all stop working and remain high and in a state of bliss. We could reach the utopia so many of us want...... we could become a country where no one works and money falls from the sky....... those of us that do work wouldn't mind our health care premiums going up by a factor of 10 to pay for the health problems so many of the drug addicted experience. Yes, lets legalize it and take away any and all stigma of drug use...... let's promote the use of drugs and condone it. All the problems that would arise can be easily dealt with.
Yeah because being that drugs are illegal means that nobody can get them right? Wrong, anyone with $$ and motivation can get whatever they want. The war on drugs has done nothing to stop them from being obtained and used. It has created huge criminal organizations across the world. You are 100% correct. The war on soft drinks IS a joke and a scam....... "we" are being played while the connected get rich... no doubt. Funny, most want to talk about the fake "war on tobacco" but many fail to mention the utter havoc and chaos tobacco use causes on society and families. It isn't just about the money spent on the fake war on promiscuity...... it is also about the destruction of the family, the abused children, the BILLIONS in medical costs/care, insurance rates, health care rates, etc. etc. Yeah, legalize that shit. If you believe legalization would not open up an entirely different set of problems and/or greatly increase the problems we already have I think you have not thought the problem through very well. I've seen several families utterly destroyed by internet porn addicted members...... legalize it, make it readily available, take the stigma away, condone it, etc. and see what happens. Yeah, you can stop the war on liqour and then get to enjoy living in a society that WILL see alcoholism skyrocket and all the problems associated with it greatly multiply. Changed the nouns to hopefully illustrate a point. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 1:29:27 AM EDT
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You are 100% correct. The war on drugs IS a joke and a scam....... "we" are being played while the connected get rich... no doubt. Funny, most want to talk about the fake "war on drugs" but many fail to mention the utter havoc and chaos drug use causes on society and families. It isn't just about the money spent on the fake war on drugs...... it is also about the destruction of the family, the abused children, the BILLIONS in medical costs/care, insurance rates, health care rates, etc. etc. Yeah, legalize that shit. If you believe legalization would not open up an entirely different set of problems and/or greatly increase the problems we already have I think you have not thought the problem through very well. I've seen several families utterly destroyed by drug addicted members...... legalize it, make it readily available, take the stigma away, condone it, etc. and see what happens. Yeah, you can stop the war on drugs and then get to enjoy living in a society that WILL see drug use skyrocket and all the problems associated with it greatly multiply. So if all drugs were legal you would go out and buy an eightball of coke, right? No, I would not..... BUT for everyone like myself, I honestly believe there are just as many that would. Especially young people who are more apt to experiment and "try new shit".... especially if it was legal and they were not looking at jail time, fines, records, forfeitures, etc. Then, we get to pay for those that are "to sick " ( that's what they say ) to work and support themselves. I am reminded and see the affects of drug abuse everyday and I get pissed knowing my tax dollars pay for people to be high all day long as they stumble up and down the street and the ambulance responds to their homes because they stopped breathing from dam near overdosing. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 1:34:31 AM EDT
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No, I would not..... BUT for everyone like myself, I honestly believe there are just as many that would. Especially young people who are more apt to experiment and "try new shit".... especially if it was legal and they were not looking at jail time, fines, records, forfeitures, etc. Then, we get to pay for those that are "to sick " ( that's what they say ) to work and support themselves. I am reminded and see the affects of drug abuse everyday and I get pissed knowing my tax dollars pay for people to be high all day long as they stumble up and down the street and the ambulance responds to their homes because they stopped breathing from dam near overdosing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are 100% correct. The war on drugs IS a joke and a scam....... "we" are being played while the connected get rich... no doubt. Funny, most want to talk about the fake "war on drugs" but many fail to mention the utter havoc and chaos drug use causes on society and families. It isn't just about the money spent on the fake war on drugs...... it is also about the destruction of the family, the abused children, the BILLIONS in medical costs/care, insurance rates, health care rates, etc. etc. Yeah, legalize that shit. If you believe legalization would not open up an entirely different set of problems and/or greatly increase the problems we already have I think you have not thought the problem through very well. I've seen several families utterly destroyed by drug addicted members...... legalize it, make it readily available, take the stigma away, condone it, etc. and see what happens. Yeah, you can stop the war on drugs and then get to enjoy living in a society that WILL see drug use skyrocket and all the problems associated with it greatly multiply. So if all drugs were legal you would go out and buy an eightball of coke, right? No, I would not..... BUT for everyone like myself, I honestly believe there are just as many that would. Especially young people who are more apt to experiment and "try new shit".... especially if it was legal and they were not looking at jail time, fines, records, forfeitures, etc. Then, we get to pay for those that are "to sick " ( that's what they say ) to work and support themselves. I am reminded and see the affects of drug abuse everyday and I get pissed knowing my tax dollars pay for people to be high all day long as they stumble up and down the street and the ambulance responds to their homes because they stopped breathing from dam near overdosing. Your taxpayer dollars are going to obese people, too. Should we outlaw food? Or should we, you know, stop giving other people your money? |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 1:34:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/8/2016 1:36:23 AM EDT
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What about the families in Mexico living under the cartels that are a direct result of the war on drugs? Ill will venture to say these groups all through central and south America will kill more people and ruin more lives than what would occur in a legalized environment in the US. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes legalize it and all drugs. We don't have enough addicted , numb, high/stoned, people amongst us. It's no one's business what someone else does..... until they kill you or a loved one in an accident or while committing a robbery to support their habit. We should have the government supply the drugs, that way we can cut down on the associated negative behavior the drug addicted embrace. We should also stop any law suit that may arise when a drug addicted doctor, nurse, etc. fucks up and kills someone. We don't have enough addicted, abused, hungry, forgotten children out there. Yes, we should remove ALL stigma of drug abuse..... all drugs should be legalized and in effect have the government and society condone and encourage their use. AND, in a perfect world, we could all stop working and remain high and in a state of bliss. We could reach the utopia so many of us want...... we could become a country where no one works and money falls from the sky....... those of us that do work wouldn't mind our health care premiums going up by a factor of 10 to pay for the health problems so many of the drug addicted experience. Yes, lets legalize it and take away any and all stigma of drug use...... let's promote the use of drugs and condone it. All the problems that would arise can be easily dealt with.
Yeah because being that drugs are illegal means that nobody can get them right? Wrong, anyone with $$ and motivation can get whatever they want. The war on drugs has done nothing to stop them from being obtained and used. It has created huge criminal organizations across the world. You are 100% correct. The war on drugs IS a joke and a scam....... "we" are being played while the connected get rich... no doubt. Funny, most want to talk about the fake "war on drugs" but many fail to mention the utter havoc and chaos drug use causes on society and families. It isn't just about the money spent on the fake war on drugs...... it is also about the destruction of the family, the abused children, the BILLIONS in medical costs/care, insurance rates, health care rates, etc. etc. Yeah, legalize that shit. If you believe legalization would not open up an entirely different set of problems and/or greatly increase the problems we already have I think you have not thought the problem through very well. I've seen several families utterly destroyed by drug addicted members...... legalize it, make it readily available, take the stigma away, condone it, etc. and see what happens. Yeah, you can stop the war on drugs and then get to enjoy living in a society that WILL see drug use skyrocket and all the problems associated with it greatly multiply. What about the families in Mexico living under the cartels that are a direct result of the war on drugs? Ill will venture to say these groups all through central and south America will kill more people and ruin more lives than what would occur in a legalized environment in the US. No, it's a direct result of corruption. Big difference. You I guess are ready to throw in the towel and admit defeat. I would rather the corruption be addressed and not throw my hands up in the air willing to "fix?" one problem and then have to deal with another. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 1:39:03 AM EDT
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Here's the problem with trying to outlaw bad choices:
We could invent a drug that would turn you into a literal walking dead zombie. 99.87% chance of it happening every time you tried it. You would be almost guaranteed to have a craving for braaaains when you took this drug. And there are people out there who would take it, knowing the potential effects and the odds. Go ahead and try to fix that with government. 
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Posted: 2/8/2016 1:41:53 AM EDT
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You are 100% correct. The war on drugs IS a joke and a scam....... "we" are being played while the connected get rich... no doubt. Funny, most want to talk about the fake "war on drugs" but many fail to mention the utter havoc and chaos drug use causes on society and families. It isn't just about the money spent on the fake war on drugs...... it is also about the destruction of the family, the abused children, the BILLIONS in medical costs/care, insurance rates, health care rates, etc. etc. Yeah, legalize that shit. If you believe legalization would not open up an entirely different set of problems and/or greatly increase the problems we already have I think you have not thought the problem through very well. I've seen several families utterly destroyed by drug addicted members...... legalize it, make it readily available, take the stigma away, condone it, etc. and see what happens. Yeah, you can stop the war on drugs and then get to enjoy living in a society that WILL see drug use skyrocket and all the problems associated with it greatly multiply. So if all drugs were legal you would go out and buy an eightball of coke, right? No, I would not..... BUT for everyone like myself, I honestly believe there are just as many that would. Especially young people who are more apt to experiment and "try new shit".... especially if it was legal and they were not looking at jail time, fines, records, forfeitures, etc. Then, we get to pay for those that are "to sick " ( that's what they say ) to work and support themselves. I am reminded and see the affects of drug abuse everyday and I get pissed knowing my tax dollars pay for people to be high all day long as they stumble up and down the street and the ambulance responds to their homes because they stopped breathing from dam near overdosing. Your taxpayer dollars are going to obese people, too. Should we outlaw food? Or should we, you know, stop giving other people your money? Oh wait, that's a fantastic point. Please let me know when food or overeating is listed as the cause of car or industrial accidents. Let me know when food or overeating or obesity is listed as the reason someone sold there child to a pervert, or mistreated and abused them, etc. Hey wait! Lets point out other bad behavior to justify another..... that always works. Let's just throw another log on the fire, sit back and watch all the fun. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 1:42:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/8/2016 1:43:53 AM EDT
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I say yes! Put you in a room with all the coke you want, snort it till your heart pops........
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Posted: 2/8/2016 1:46:28 AM EDT
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Oh wait, that's a fantastic point. Please let me know when food or overeating is listed as the cause of car or industrial accidents. Let me know when food or overeating or obesity is listed as the reason someone sold there child to a pervert, or mistreated and abused them, etc. Hey wait! Lets point out other bad behavior to justify another..... that always works. Let's just throw another log on the fire, sit back and watch all the fun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are 100% correct. The war on drugs IS a joke and a scam....... "we" are being played while the connected get rich... no doubt. Funny, most want to talk about the fake "war on drugs" but many fail to mention the utter havoc and chaos drug use causes on society and families. It isn't just about the money spent on the fake war on drugs...... it is also about the destruction of the family, the abused children, the BILLIONS in medical costs/care, insurance rates, health care rates, etc. etc. Yeah, legalize that shit. If you believe legalization would not open up an entirely different set of problems and/or greatly increase the problems we already have I think you have not thought the problem through very well. I've seen several families utterly destroyed by drug addicted members...... legalize it, make it readily available, take the stigma away, condone it, etc. and see what happens. Yeah, you can stop the war on drugs and then get to enjoy living in a society that WILL see drug use skyrocket and all the problems associated with it greatly multiply. So if all drugs were legal you would go out and buy an eightball of coke, right? No, I would not..... BUT for everyone like myself, I honestly believe there are just as many that would. Especially young people who are more apt to experiment and "try new shit".... especially if it was legal and they were not looking at jail time, fines, records, forfeitures, etc. Then, we get to pay for those that are "to sick " ( that's what they say ) to work and support themselves. I am reminded and see the affects of drug abuse everyday and I get pissed knowing my tax dollars pay for people to be high all day long as they stumble up and down the street and the ambulance responds to their homes because they stopped breathing from dam near overdosing. Your taxpayer dollars are going to obese people, too. Should we outlaw food? Or should we, you know, stop giving other people your money? Oh wait, that's a fantastic point. Please let me know when food or overeating is listed as the cause of car or industrial accidents. Let me know when food or overeating or obesity is listed as the reason someone sold there child to a pervert, or mistreated and abused them, etc. Hey wait! Lets point out other bad behavior to justify another..... that always works. Let's just throw another log on the fire, sit back and watch all the fun. I wasn't pointing out a bad behavior to justify another. I was addressing a point you made about your taxpayer dollars going to pay for other people's bad choices. That's ok. Alcohol leads people to get into car accidents and mistreat their family members. Just like other drugs. So... bring back alcohol prohibition? Why did we repeal that, anyways? |
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