And what about the people that aren't religious and don't want the government in their lives? Marriage has become an institution of the state. You can be committed without signing a bunch of papers for a tax status.

Yep.

is it really an attack if someone points out the truth? [i think not]

Stating an obvious truth isn't a personal attack; it is stating an obvious truth.

Time for a change.  It was either this or cut my hair.  

Nice to know you haven't *given up* and refuse to be attractive.  

I'm well aware of how to treat women, thanks. The point is that a lot of them expect an early 2000's Brat Pitt or whoever the current obsession is. Kinda like how people here don't like pointy elbows, it goes both ways.

Christ, make some more assumptions...

As a soon to be divorced guy of 55 years of age, you people are depressing me  

Not disagreeing there, easy to see they're not worth my time with antics like that; just frustrating seeing this often resulting in having the tendency to give me cynical moods.

hey, you're the one who's single.. I've been with my wife for over 15 years and have 3 children.  so you might try closing your mouth and taking some notes, because you're doing it wrong..

I'd say that you're fishing outside your slot limit for starters..

Don't be.  

Want a date?  Here's how-

1) Raise your dating stock price- go out with good looking friends, male or female, they make you look desirable.
2) Be desirable.  Keep yourself looking sharp, not 3-piece suit sharp but ditch the grungy t-shirt in public.
3) Go talk to people, lots of them, you'll have no clue where the connection will be made so shotgun approach.  Know something about everything and everything about something, now you can communicate with anyone.
4) Be reasonable in your expectations.  45lbs overweight and balding?  That 21 year old bombshell doesn't care about you, move along.

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I suppose that may be the case sometimes. And and sometimes, they're just not interested. And sometimes, guys just can't take a hint no matter how you lay it on them.

if she's even thinking about dating someone else while she's dating you, you're doing it wrong.
(either you picked the wrong girl, or you dont bring enough to the table to afford the ante)
-based on your grammatical errors, I'd say it's probably the latter.

It's well known that most people put up a front in the beginning of relationships. They want to show the best and none of the worst. A man would be a fool to rush into something that may destroy him financially. I guess that's why marrying while young is a better option. Most haven't acquired much, so there's not a whole lot to lose at first.



 

You're assuming that I am searching or desperate. I am neither, thank you very much. I don't need notes, I just haven't found a good match yet since I have unpopular interests. No big deal. God damn man...

Any other assumptions, or are you done being a prick?

you're the one posting about how it's always the woman's fault and never yours.. (in a thread on dating woes).
they're not assumptions, they're observations..

Maybe go younger?

Not really that strange for a girl who is 20-24 to date a guy that's 25-30.

You should have all of the qualities that you are looking for in a mate. If you don't you may miss out. She may be your perfect match but you may not be hers.

You are really, REALLY bad at "observing."

Here is an exact copy/paste of what I typed that you quoted:

"I'm 25 and will admit that I've never really had much luck with dating. Part of the problem is definitely the absurd criteria on the part of the other half... and the fat ones...

That being said I chalk it up to fairly short, fit but not terribly attractive, gun-loving, video gamers not being in particularly high demand... Meh. "

I literally said that it goes both ways and that in my case it is probably me and I'm fine with that. I did not say " it's always the woman's fault and never mine.. "... Not even close. The exact opposite, in fact.

Wanna try again?

See, Naamah was right: if I said this, I'd be thought a bitch.

Growing up, my father told me it was a man's world - and would likely remain one for my lifetime - so I should look like a lady, act like a woman, and think like a man.  I've lived his advice and been generally content with the results, if for no other reason than it tends to weed out the whiney little bitchmales.

Doesn't get any better. My ex of just over 10 years left last October. In just over a year. I haven't really found a single woman worth the time. I mean there is one im kinda close with but shes got her own issues to deal with.

Most are single because they are fucking NUTS

Please consider the context in which I said what I did there. It was in reference to my original post in the thread:

"I'm 25 and will admit that I've never really had much luck with dating. Part of the problem is definitely the absurd criteria on the part of the other half... and the fat ones...

That being said I chalk it up to fairly short, fit but not terribly attractive, gun-loving, video gamers not being in particularly high demand... Meh. "

Tappered-pin merely did a great job of "creatively interpreting" my words. Better yet, simply read the post directly above yours.

You still can't deny that some women have really, unreasonably high expectations, just like some men.

Sorry to break this to you bud , but these guys are lamenting the pool of available women in their late 20's early 30's,

This is multiplied 100 times by the time you hit 40s ( I was divorced when I was 39 ) , I was dating in my late 30's and yes it was easy to run though hood rats but trying to find a woman worthy of a long term relationship was a serious challenge!

I lucked out big time and found one thank god (35 no kids , career, total sweet heart) , and we met totally randomly , no tinder involved.....


I'd recommend forgot the dating sites, women pretty much put the age limit on searching at 40-41, just get out there and try and meet them.

Once they hit 40, all they have left to offer is Bitching.

Seems to be common among single folks from both genders once they hit that age.

not by anyone that matters, ma'am..


Obrez, I'm sorry if i hurt your feelings or otherwise implied something that was NOT a trait of yours.
My extremely general statements DO actually apply to many many peopleyoung men your age.

Meh, can't argue with that one.

And my feelings are not hurt by mere words on the internet. I simply like making sure what I mean is clear The way things were quoted certainly did not work in my favor.

Water seeks it's own level.

If they seek losers, then they fall into that category.... Always, No exceptions.

The process by which a peanut plant creates shoots from the flower into the soil to form a peanut?



 

Marriage holds no benefit to men anymore, why in the H3LL do you think that should be an end goal.

Yes, he's going to rejoint their dovetails.

I have always had good luck with 18-24 year olds.  I have what they are looking for.  A nice house on a nice piece of land, nice car, truck, motorcycle, boat, and I wear a uniform for work.  I take the occasional community college class and it's like shooting fish in a barrel and my looks are definitely not what they used to before 30... but I'm not a beta little bitch when it comes to talking to women.  Heck I took the short state required life insurance sales class for one weekend and got two from there.  Just frequent the places the women are and have a little game and you will profit.  And it helps if you're not a basement dwelling neck beard pussy weirdo.

Plenty of them have been crazy, getting the cops called on us, one stabbing me with a butterfly knife, just plain psycho, and a whole host of other issues but I'm having fun which is what I want.  

I will not date a chick with kids, I'm there to play daddy for her not her offspring from another man.

Keep in mind I have been married three times and do not care to be in a long relationship at this time.

Sorry, I forgot what advice I was going to offer when I started typing.

That sounds amazing. *swoon*

What's the geography of the naysayers here?

I'm in the Dallas area, and finding attractive and successful women to go out with is not difficult.  It takes patience to find one you really click really well with, but that's a feature, not a bug.

It's a similar scene in most major cities in the US.  Attractive and successful guys in their 20s or very early 30s are more rare than attractive and successful girls. The numbers are in our favor. But you're not attractive if you have a "fuck women, they just want to stare at their smart phone" attitude. You ooze it.

Fix yourself and refocus your game.  If you live somewhere like Cheyenne, then sorry, you're going to have to play the hand you're dealt.

Have a good job, drive a nice car, be funny, and you'll clean up your pick of the litter.

Or bitch about women on the internet. Surely it's not your fault.

Dating

You're not going to do very well with women who read books, Don.

I find this to also be an important factor. Resentful, bitter, and/or utterly disinterested people don't tend to make a person feel welcome or appreciated, unless they're complete sociopaths. Attitude can make a big difference.

Boys do the same thing.

*gasp*

You put out what you are looking in a woman.

If you want a woman who is in shape, do you think they want to date a fatty? If you want a woman who wants kids and a serious relationship do you go to the bar 3 or 4 nights a week?

I'm running on around 4 hours sleep, so if I sound like an angry asshole I apologize ahead of time.

I'm 32. Never been married. No kids. I've been told I have a good sense of humor, up until two weeks ago I had two jobs (worked 60-70 hours a week between them). I have my own apartment, and my own car. I was somewhat close to marriage once, but fate decided that wasn't going to happen.

I have absolutely zero luck dating. I've since deleted my profiles from the two dating things I've used (Tinder and OKC). Prior to the "quickmatch" thing that has become so common (you know, back when you had to send and actually read messages) my rate of return was somewhere in the nature of 2-5% (I'm not joking), and of those 2-5% I literally would get maybe 2-3 dates out of them and them they would ghost. Once the quickmatch (read: Tinder) thing started, I messed with it, and had a higher rate of initial return, maybe 10-15%, but the percentage of those that would go out was  lower than the previous people, so I stopped that as well.

There were a couple of things I noticed that were constants in the profiles I would look at: All claimed to want nice guys, all claimed to want to settle down, all claimed to be down to Earth, and most had kids. The overwhelming majority of them wouldn't send replies to any messages, no matter how they were worded, or what pictures I'd use in my profile. I'd see that they had looked at my profile after I sent them the message, then they'd obviously see shit in my profile that they didn't like and *poof* they're gone. I had at least one ask me what my education level was, and I told her I had an associate's degree (in reality I'm about a year away from a Bachelor's) and then she ghosted on me, but not before telling me that she "didn't think it would work out in the long run because I didn't have a Bachelor's." Jesus H Christ people, what happened to trying to go on a journey and adventure? When did we start living life based on a manual?

As time goes on, I find myself becoming increasingly bitter and frustrated with the whole dating thing. Most of my friends are married and/or have kids. I have people tell me all the time that "it will happen when it's time" or that I'm a "nice guy," and all of the people that say that shit are married (and a few have been married multiple times). Every time I hear someone say that shit I want to slap them square in the face.

I have no fucking clue how any of it works. All I know is that I don't have fun trying anymore. It's a game that's rigged, with rules that constantly change, that were written by big fat liars who either aren't honest with themselves or aren't honest with other people. The only way to win is not to play, which is ironic because when everyone does that, everyone loses.

I can't imagine being that young and single today. With Tinder, online dating, and the hookup culture I would be kayaking down a Class 5 rapids of vagina.

There are a lot of bots on Tinder, so that might be part of your problem.

Its really hard to meet good girls anymore. Somehow though I get really lucky!

You speak with a lot of confidence for someone who has no idea what they're talking about.

Seriously. I would put a year dating to be a bare minimum.  A lot of new things can be learned from a person 8-10-12-14 months after knowing them.

It's a euphemism? Huh.  Between my roommate and I, we have so many actual furniture requests from women that we could furnish a house!

Maybe you're better after more sleep, but you sound completely undateable to me.

Not necessarily. A woman on Tinder can literally have her pick from the 1-3% of super attractive men who have a lot going for them. Your average guy is nothing more then a chump on there. An average woman can swipe 1000 times and will match with EVERY single male. An average guy can swipe 1000 times and will get bots/people running scams and average looking females. You need to look like a freaking model or millionaire to really be successful.


I put a few pics of me around he city I live in and would get maybe 1 match per day. I put up pics of me traveling/doing things in other states and my matches more then tripled.  Same person, same looks, same profile... Just the impression that I travel a lot/do expensive things (Snowboarding, scuba diving, mountain climbing, etc.) increased the matches. Also noticed when I'm traveling out of state and they know your just passing through you have a massive increase of matches.


Females on social media can afford to be super picky because they get hundreds of messages/matches a week. Imagine that. Imagine if you had several hundred women messaging you a week wanting to date/fuck/hang out. Why not pick the top 1-3%
. Thats why most women never message back on Tinder an stuff.... They get so many messages it takes forever to dig through them all.