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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:21:42 PM EDT
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Has a mod said which coc was violated?
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:23:15 PM EDT
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Bike Lives Matter?
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:24:13 PM EDT
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The law functioned as designed? Are you actually serious? The law was not put in place to cover cops that recklessly and negligantly kill innocent people. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not normally a cop basher, but if I did that exact same thing, I'd be typing this from jail. Hope the family gets a decent settlement. You'd be in jail because state law doesn't specifically exempt you from certain laws prohibiting using a computer when you drive. In this case, the law functioned exactly as designed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The law functioned as designed? Are you actually serious? The law was not put in place to cover cops that recklessly and negligantly kill innocent people. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Legislators wrote it. Governor signed it. Their intent must have been to shield cops from criminal charges based in use of MDTs. What other explanation is there? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:25:50 PM EDT
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So you would abandon the rule of law in favor of feels based "morality". Slippery slope there. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What are we allowed to say about this?? I'll take a shot at it.... The deputy should be charged. What a department or state's policy is, or what exemptions they may have, doesn't substitute for morality. Fact: Guy driving a car allowed something to distract him and that resulted in the death of someone who was just minding his own business. I just can't imagine that the content of a email was worth the risk of hurting someone, much less was more important than a life. So you would abandon the rule of law in favor of feels based "morality". Slippery slope there. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile As has been pointed out, just because the action that distracted you was legal does not make you immune from negligence charges. Eating a sandwich while driving is not illegal, but if you're so busy stuffing your face that you swerve off the road and run someone over you're still guilty of negligence. You're trying awful hard to defend this guys actions. You spend a lot of time emailing while driving officer? |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:26:35 PM EDT
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Legislators wrote it. Governor signed it. Their intent must have been to shield cops from criminal charges based in use of MDTs. What other explanation is there? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not normally a cop basher, but if I did that exact same thing, I'd be typing this from jail. Hope the family gets a decent settlement. You'd be in jail because state law doesn't specifically exempt you from certain laws prohibiting using a computer when you drive. In this case, the law functioned exactly as designed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The law functioned as designed? Are you actually serious? The law was not put in place to cover cops that recklessly and negligantly kill innocent people. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Legislators wrote it. Governor signed it. Their intent must have been to shield cops from criminal charges based in use of MDTs. What other explanation is there? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Wow. I was hoping you were just trolling.  Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:26:52 PM EDT
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Thanks for the insight. I often chafe against cell phone bans while driving because I used to have to handle a lot of commstuff while flying really close to the water, trees, ship superstuctures, etc, but even with that background, I won't try to text/e-mail while driving. You give up too much SA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can't speak for that agency but at mine the criminal side has to be disposed of, normally, before the administrative side can begin. What that would mean is that just because he was found criminally innocent he will now be judged by department standards and guidelines. I would assume that they have something about maintaining control of the patrol vehicle at all times and other similar policies which will cover this incident. My guess is the deputy will be unemployed soon and the department's risk manager or insurance company will be cutting a check to keep the civil suit from happening. Just a guess from my side of the blue line though. Thanks for the insight. I often chafe against cell phone bans while driving because I used to have to handle a lot of commstuff while flying really close to the water, trees, ship superstuctures, etc, but even with that background, I won't try to text/e-mail while driving. You give up too much SA. You're also using a headset and PTT, not to mention another pilot in the cockpit with an extra set of hands and eyes. Not even remotely close to the idiots on the road that have a hard enough time staying between the lines when not staring at a phone in one hand with traffic all around them. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:27:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:30:16 PM EDT
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What its like to be the kings men.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:31:46 PM EDT
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Legislators wrote it. Governor signed it. Their intent must have been to shield cops from criminal charges based in use of MDTs. What other explanation is there? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not normally a cop basher, but if I did that exact same thing, I'd be typing this from jail. Hope the family gets a decent settlement. You'd be in jail because state law doesn't specifically exempt you from certain laws prohibiting using a computer when you drive. In this case, the law functioned exactly as designed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The law functioned as designed? Are you actually serious? The law was not put in place to cover cops that recklessly and negligantly kill innocent people. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Legislators wrote it. Governor signed it. Their intent must have been to shield cops from criminal charges based in use of MDTs. What other explanation is there? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile What was the purpose of the law ? To make running people over illegal, or to make using devices while driving illegal? One is not equal to the other. The law of prohibiting using devices is a law to discourage using devices to try to prevent other crimes of negligence related to that activity. The purpose of being exempted from the devices law, is to allow LE to continue to perform critical job related duties while driving. That's all. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:34:34 PM EDT
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That's the whole point of a negligence charge, is it not? Not that your action was inherent unlawful, but rather your performance of said duty was not keeping within a reasonable standard of due diligence. You are correct. This is about as negligent as you can get. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:35:43 PM EDT
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But even with that exception the vehicle operator still has a duty to drive without runnung people over because he's distracted. Unless killing random bikers is a job related activity. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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if i am answering a work related email on my phone, and i hit and kill someone, i'm good to go? ar-jedi Can't speak for your state probably covered under distracted driving or vehicular manslaughter. The state this occurred in the legislature put an exemption to allow law enforcement and I'd assume emergency services such as fire and ems the ability to use electronic communication devices in a moving vehicle. Some states ban all use of non handsfree equipment so the exemptions are in place to allow for radio use. Some departments even where it is allowed restrict the use to non-moving and will have administrative penalties for violations. But even with that exception the vehicle operator still has a duty to drive without runnung people over because he's distracted. Unless killing random bikers is a job related activity. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Do not forget lying in his report and blaming the dead guy. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:37:05 PM EDT
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Solution: Lock out computer while car in in drive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Solution: Lock out computer while car in in drive. Some departments across the country are already using some of these techniques. In Fort Wayne, Indiana, police officers' in-car computer won't allow them to keep typing after going 10 to 15 miles per hour. And in Fort Worth, Texas, after NBC station KXAS started reporting on the issue, the chief of police ruled that officers aren't allowed to use their computers at all while driving, unless it's an emergency. When the car is in drive it out to be locked. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:37:22 PM EDT
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Do not forget lying in his report and blaming the dead guy.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:38:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Being on lists makes me feel special. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OP just made the The Secret List. Being on lists makes me feel special. Tell us that after they strip search you.  |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:39:15 PM EDT
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. a criminal charge is minor and the least of the officers problems. I've never had a client whose first thought was "Oh man, I'm going to lose my job." It's always more like "Oh shit, I might have to serve a bid for this." |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:41:21 PM EDT
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No comment..........
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:41:43 PM EDT
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I've never had a client whose first thought was "Oh man, I'm going to lose my job." It's always more like "Oh shit, I might have to serve a bid for this." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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. a criminal charge is minor and the least of the officers problems. I've never had a client whose first thought was "Oh man, I'm going to lose my job." It's always more like "Oh shit, I might have to serve a bid for this." There seems to be a direct relatioinsip for most folks between going to jail and losing their job anyways. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:42:03 PM EDT
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Not only did he kill Olin, he lied about it. He initially claimed that Olin swerved in front of him. Several days later when confronted with evidence that Olin was in the bike lane at all times, he changed his story. Way to serve and protect. Blue lives matter. Fixed your typo... Gross negligence, bordering on flatout wanton disregard, doesn't lend credence to that mantra being true with this person. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:44:36 PM EDT
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Yes. What a miscarriage of justice that this asshole wasn't charged criminally. #muhpolicies |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:47:08 PM EDT
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There seems to be a direct relatioinsip for most folks between going to jail and losing their job anyways. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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. a criminal charge is minor and the least of the officers problems. I've never had a client whose first thought was "Oh man, I'm going to lose my job." It's always more like "Oh shit, I might have to serve a bid for this." There seems to be a direct relatioinsip for most folks between going to jail and losing their job anyways. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yeah, but if you had to choose between time behind the wall or unemployment, which are you taking? |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:47:37 PM EDT
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They are prosecuting Bruce Jenner but not this guy? Both were neglegent. Manslaughter?
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:49:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know what I'd like to say, but nowadays I don't know what I'm allowed to say here.  Membership renewal is coming up...might have to ponder it for a bit. A bunch of you are posting petty bullcrap. right back at ya'.There is NOTHING wrong with criticizing this incident and the officer in question. He screwed up. So get over your "WOE IS ME - I MIGHT GET BANNED FOR SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT A POLICE OFFICER, WAH WAH WAH" nonsense. If you want to blame someone, blame the city council that came up with the law that makes it OK for cops to drive distracted. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:49:43 PM EDT
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Solution: Lock out computer while car in in drive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Solution: Lock out computer while car in in drive. Some departments across the country are already using some of these techniques. In Fort Wayne, Indiana, police officers' in-car computer won't allow them to keep typing after going 10 to 15 miles per hour. And in Fort Worth, Texas, after NBC station KXAS started reporting on the issue, the chief of police ruled that officers aren't allowed to use their computers at all while driving, unless it's an emergency. I like it |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:52:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what, we aren't allowed to say when a LEO has done wrong around here now? What a joke. Posts such as yours are the newest version of "Hands up! Don't shoot!" |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:53:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A bunch of you are posting petty bullcrap. right back at ya'.There is NOTHING wrong with criticizing this incident and the officer in question. He screwed up. So get over your "WOE IS ME - I MIGHT GET BANNED FOR SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT A POLICE OFFICER, WAH WAH WAH" nonsense. If you want to blame someone, blame the city council that came up with the law that makes it OK for cops to drive distracted. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know what I'd like to say, but nowadays I don't know what I'm allowed to say here. Membership renewal is coming up...might have to ponder it for a bit. A bunch of you are posting petty bullcrap. right back at ya'.There is NOTHING wrong with criticizing this incident and the officer in question. He screwed up. So get over your "WOE IS ME - I MIGHT GET BANNED FOR SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT A POLICE OFFICER, WAH WAH WAH" nonsense. If you want to blame someone, blame the city council that came up with the law that makes it OK for cops to drive distracted. Thanks for that. I've been critical of LE in plenty of threads and supportive of LE in plenty of others and I don't expect that to change even after the recent hullabaloo. If criticizing someone who's done wrong or supporting someone who has done right is going to get me banned, I'm OK with it. To the best of my knowledge, they haven't changed the CoC to include "thou shalt never speak ill of LE" and until they do I'll proceed as usual. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:55:27 PM EDT
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A bunch of you are posting petty bullcrap. right back at ya'.
There is NOTHING wrong with criticizing this incident and the officer in question. He screwed up. So get over your "WOE IS ME - I MIGHT GET BANNED FOR SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT A POLICE OFFICER, WAH WAH WAH" nonsense. If you want to blame someone, blame the city council that came up with the law that makes it OK for cops to drive distracted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know what I'd like to say, but nowadays I don't know what I'm allowed to say here.
Membership renewal is coming up...might have to ponder it for a bit. A bunch of you are posting petty bullcrap. right back at ya'.
There is NOTHING wrong with criticizing this incident and the officer in question. He screwed up. So get over your "WOE IS ME - I MIGHT GET BANNED FOR SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT A POLICE OFFICER, WAH WAH WAH" nonsense. If you want to blame someone, blame the city council that came up with the law that makes it OK for cops to drive distracted. Yet i see a system message saying that the thread contained coc violations. Not even the mods are on the same page about this vague, and unwritten rule |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:55:52 PM EDT
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So a motorist was reading an electronic device and allowed it to distract his attention from the road that lead to killing someone.
How is this acceptable and not cause for termination of employment and jail time? Who could possibly defend this bullshit? How do they sleep at night!?! |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:56:34 PM EDT
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Hey! Surprise! Life's not fair.
Am I on the list now? |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:56:54 PM EDT
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I don't understand what the warnings were issued for.
Were those posts deleted? |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:57:48 PM EDT
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A bunch of you are posting petty bullcrap. right back at ya'.
There is NOTHING wrong with criticizing this incident and the officer in question. He screwed up. So get over your "WOE IS ME - I MIGHT GET BANNED FOR SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT A POLICE OFFICER, WAH WAH WAH" nonsense. If you want to blame someone, blame the city council that came up with the law that makes it OK for cops to drive distracted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know what I'd like to say, but nowadays I don't know what I'm allowed to say here.
Membership renewal is coming up...might have to ponder it for a bit. A bunch of you are posting petty bullcrap. right back at ya'.
There is NOTHING wrong with criticizing this incident and the officer in question. He screwed up. So get over your "WOE IS ME - I MIGHT GET BANNED FOR SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT A POLICE OFFICER, WAH WAH WAH" nonsense. If you want to blame someone, blame the city council that came up with the law that makes it OK for cops to drive distracted. Nobody made it okay to drive distracted. All they did was exclude public safety folks from being cited for the device while driving law. Nowhere in the statutes does it remove the requirement to drive with due regard. Many folks, including the department that investigated itself, are missing that for accidental or even worse purposeful reasons. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 12:58:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet i see a system message saying that the thread contained coc violations. Not even the mods are on the same page about this vague, and unwritten rule Was the thread not unlocked? Are you going to nickel and dime everything? Good friggin' grief. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:00:23 PM EDT
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Was the thread not unlocked? Are you going to nickel and dime everything? Good friggin' grief.
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Yet i see a system message saying that the thread contained coc violations. Not even the mods are on the same page about this vague, and unwritten rule Was the thread not unlocked? Are you going to nickel and dime everything? Good friggin' grief.
Yes, which means someone thought it was CoC violations, and someone didn't. Which was the point. There's also: Multiple CoC violations, warnings are coming Based on what I've read from the thread, I don't even have a hint what posts could have violated any terms of CoC that I'm familiar with. Were posts removed, or are there new rules I'm not aware of? Because at this point, I don't have any idea what is acceptable to post anymore. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:01:39 PM EDT
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Was the thread not unlocked? Are you going to nickel and dime everything? Good friggin' grief.
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Yet i see a system message saying that the thread contained coc violations. Not even the mods are on the same page about this vague, and unwritten rule Was the thread not unlocked? Are you going to nickel and dime everything? Good friggin' grief.
I see that. Why was it locked in the first place? I just want to see what is allowed, and what isn't, in cop threads As evidenced by the lock and unlock, it seems to be a point of confusion for lots of people, even the ones who enforce the rules |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:01:43 PM EDT
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So I get that he's exempt from the texting/driving law, but what about laws regarding distracted driving?
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:01:43 PM EDT
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Absolutley true. The deputy could have been filed on by the D.A., fired by his agency, sued by the victim's family, and even filed on by the Federal Govt. for denial of civil rights. Yup, some animals are more equal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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some animals are more equal than others Absolutley true. The deputy could have been filed on by the D.A., fired by his agency, sued by the victim's family, and even filed on by the Federal Govt. for denial of civil rights. Yup, some animals are more equal. But he won't be because of his status... But the man who accidentally hits a trooper on the sidavof thecroad would be... |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:02:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:02:14 PM EDT
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Was the thread not unlocked? Are you going to nickel and dime everything? Good friggin' grief.
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Yet i see a system message saying that the thread contained coc violations. Not even the mods are on the same page about this vague, and unwritten rule Was the thread not unlocked? Are you going to nickel and dime everything? Good friggin' grief.
To be fair, I see a lot of people who are just not sure what is or is not ok anymore. Since the rules appear to be in flux at the mod/staff level that seems reasonable. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:02:33 PM EDT
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A bunch of you are posting petty bullcrap. right back at ya'.
There is NOTHING wrong with criticizing this incident and the officer in question. He screwed up. So get over your "WOE IS ME - I MIGHT GET BANNED FOR SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT A POLICE OFFICER, WAH WAH WAH" nonsense. If you want to blame someone, blame the city council that came up with the law that makes it OK for cops to drive distracted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know what I'd like to say, but nowadays I don't know what I'm allowed to say here.
Membership renewal is coming up...might have to ponder it for a bit. A bunch of you are posting petty bullcrap. right back at ya'.
There is NOTHING wrong with criticizing this incident and the officer in question. He screwed up. So get over your "WOE IS ME - I MIGHT GET BANNED FOR SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT A POLICE OFFICER, WAH WAH WAH" nonsense. If you want to blame someone, blame the city council that came up with the law that makes it OK for cops to drive distracted. No law excuses the negligence. There's a reason you can't usually waiver negligence. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:02:42 PM EDT
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So what, we aren't allowed to say when a LEO has done wrong around here now? What a joke.
Posts such as yours are the newest version of "Hands up! Don't shoot!" The internet is serious business. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:02:48 PM EDT
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Was the thread not unlocked? Are you going to nickel and dime everything? Good friggin' grief.
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Yet i see a system message saying that the thread contained coc violations. Not even the mods are on the same page about this vague, and unwritten rule Was the thread not unlocked? Are you going to nickel and dime everything? Good friggin' grief.
If I may, what posts were the cause of the temporary lock? I ask because it was reopened and I didn't see any edits. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:03:05 PM EDT
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OP just made the The Secret List. Being on lists makes me feel special. Tell us that after they strip search you.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:03:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:03:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:04:08 PM EDT
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So what, we aren't allowed to say when a LEO has done wrong around here now? What a joke.
Posts such as yours are the newest version of "Hands up! Don't shoot!" Not being a smartass at all, but is there a particular thread where this stuff gets laid down? I'm fine with being the mine detector otherwise. 
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:05:11 PM EDT
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No criminal charges - but what is his civil liability?
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:05:25 PM EDT
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Maybe there is something wrong, in two days we have had a no charges , the owner of a house shot and what looks like a guy with his jands up need more info on this one though.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:07:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A bunch of you are posting petty bullcrap. right back at ya'.There is NOTHING wrong with criticizing this incident and the officer in question. He screwed up. So get over your "WOE IS ME - I MIGHT GET BANNED FOR SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT A POLICE OFFICER, WAH WAH WAH" nonsense. If you want to blame someone, blame the city council that came up with the law that makes it OK for cops to drive distracted. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know what I'd like to say, but nowadays I don't know what I'm allowed to say here. Membership renewal is coming up...might have to ponder it for a bit. A bunch of you are posting petty bullcrap. right back at ya'.There is NOTHING wrong with criticizing this incident and the officer in question. He screwed up. So get over your "WOE IS ME - I MIGHT GET BANNED FOR SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT A POLICE OFFICER, WAH WAH WAH" nonsense. If you want to blame someone, blame the city council that came up with the law that makes it OK for cops to drive distracted. Further proof that the staff / mods are out of touch with what is bothering some of us lowly members. Yes, people have said negative things about "cops". Yes, they have been ban. Yes, a lot of the members are afraid of YOU and people like you. Yes Zhukov, woe is me. Yes Zhukov, I will pick up that can. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:08:04 PM EDT
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Few are called, fewer are held accountable..
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:09:42 PM EDT
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account lives matter.
did I just see a quadruple post account suicide? |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:12:01 PM EDT
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I hope the guy's family torts the officer into the poor house.
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