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Posted: 8/29/2015 1:03:59 PM EDT
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The 61-year-old bystander hit by a stray bullet when an undercover NYPD cop opened fire during a gun buy-and-bust gone bad has died, officials said Saturday.

Felix Kumi, of Mount Vernon, died of his wounds at Jacobi Medical Center at 12:55 a.m. Saturday, police said.

He was shot twice in the midsection about 4 p.m. Friday when an undercover officer blasted away at a man armed with a fake firearm trying to steal the cash the cop was about to use to purchase two guns as part of an undercover investigation in Mount Vernon.
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Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:05:06 PM EDT
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Another proud Union moment.
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:05:11 PM EDT
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Good grief.
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:06:38 PM EDT
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Only the police should have guns.
Hand up, don't shoot.
#innocentbystanderlivesmatter
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:07:09 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:07:47 PM EDT
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Yeah but the guy trying to buy the gun would have killed atleast 3 people right?

So the officer is still 2 in the green.
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:08:10 PM EDT
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Batf managed to shoot up a grocery store parking lot upstate once when what they thought was a buy turned out to be a robbery, I think one officer was killed
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This same unit had two undercovers killed in '03 when their buy and bust went south.
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:08:17 PM EDT
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Another proud moment at the NYPD.


Who should the people be the most concerned with ??   How do you tell the good guys from the bad guys .  Or is there such a thing any more ???




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Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:09:04 PM EDT
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Cop must have been wearing his storm trooper underoos!
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:09:34 PM EDT
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Are they still using those terrible 10lb triggers?
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:09:54 PM EDT
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12 lbs.
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:10:07 PM EDT
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Why is NYPD doing gun buys in Mount Vernon?
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:11:27 PM EDT
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Why is NYPD doing gun buys in Mount Vernon?
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Why is NYPD doing gun buys in Mount Vernon?

Perp changed the location after they met up.

The undercover cop picked Aristy up in the Bronx, but the pistol broker said they had to go to Beekman Ave. and Tecumseh Ave. in Mount Vernon to meet his "cousin," according to police sources.
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:12:53 PM EDT
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only one bystander?
their aim is getting better
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:15:06 PM EDT
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I predict a lawsuit.
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:17:26 PM EDT
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You think so Nostradamus?
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:19:17 PM EDT
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You think so Nostradamus?
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You think so Nostradamus?

Extorris, you are da man... such a breath of fresh air here......
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:21:49 PM EDT
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12 lbs.
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12 lbs.




That's even safer!
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:22:30 PM EDT
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ibow

Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:23:08 PM EDT
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Dude should be charged with manslaughter.

I garuntee you that if a normal person shot someone with their chl and missed and killed a person they'd be up on manslaughter charges.
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:23:37 PM EDT
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Extorris, you are da man... such a breath of fresh air here......
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You think so Nostradamus?

Extorris, you are da man... such a breath of fresh air here......



Lol why? Because of that comment? Even the most hated cops on here would agree that the estate of the deceased is gonna get paid. That's how it works.
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:24:08 PM EDT
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Shit, "cousin". I'm gonna ask all my cousins if they have pistols for sale. Safer to keep it in the family. Oh wait... it's unSAFE..
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:24:37 PM EDT
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Dude should be charged with manslaughter.

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They will probably charge the perp with murder and give the officer a pat on the back.
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:25:25 PM EDT
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Was it ever released how much the 9 bystanders received after getting hit by gun fire in 2012?
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:25:53 PM EDT
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How many cops who were on vacation that day will be named?
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:26:12 PM EDT
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Was it ever released how much the 9 bystanders received after getting hit by gun fire in 2012?

No idea.
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Lol why? Because of that comment? Even the most hated cops on here would agree that the estate of the deceased is gonna get paid. That's how it works.
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You think so Nostradamus?

Extorris, you are da man... such a breath of fresh air here......



Lol why? Because of that comment? Even the most hated cops on here would agree that the estate of the deceased is gonna get paid. That's how it works.

No because he like nostradaumus...duh...
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:28:09 PM EDT
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lol  
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Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:28:09 PM EDT
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Does the alleged gun seller get charged with manslaughter?   Bystander killed as result of criminal act?
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:28:56 PM EDT
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#ohwell
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:28:56 PM EDT
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I guarantee you're wrong. Go research "transferred intent." It applies to this situation.

Civil suits are another matter,  a lot more ways you can plead that.
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:29:33 PM EDT
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No idea but the family of the grandmother my co-worker killed only got $800k.
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You think so Nostradamus?

Was it ever released how much the 9 bystanders received after getting hit by gun fire in 2012?

No idea but the family of the grandmother my co-worker killed only got $800k.

Oh wow that is low. Charlotte paid $2.25 million to the thug's family who was killed bum rushing an officer.
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Felony murder.
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:31:23 PM EDT
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Oh wow that is low. Charlotte paid $2.25 million to the thug's family who was killed bum rushing an officer.
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No idea but the family of the grandmother my co-worker killed only got $800k.

Oh wow that is low. Charlotte paid $2.25 million to the thug's family who was killed bum rushing an officer.

Disregard my post, I had that confused with another case. I'm pretty sure her family's case is still pending because the city is fighting it.
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:34:08 PM EDT
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All the while thugs are running rampant across the city using "gravity knives"

Fuck NYC and fuck NYPD
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:34:28 PM EDT
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Wrong place at the wrong time, shit happens. Illegal activity and stings/busts can't always happen in the middle of no where, they tend to happen in public. That said, realistic training under stress and requiring much higher marksmanship from officers should be required from nearly all P.D. I was always taught if you don't hit what you shoot at, you mid as well not be shooting, so you better plucking aim! As a police officer I HIGHLY doubt there would be many times you could ever mount any sort of argument for "suppressive fire". Esp. in a highly populated area.
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Good luck with that. My friends that are instructors say they have been trying to get the department to approve better training for over a decade with barely any luck.
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:35:37 PM EDT
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#ohwell


Listgate 2.0, you made it.
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:37:14 PM EDT
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Wrong place at the wrong time, shit happens. Illegal activity and stings/busts can't always happen in the middle of no where, they tend to happen in public. That said, realistic training under stress and requiring much higher marksmanship from officers should be required from nearly all P.D. I was always taught if you don't hit what you shoot at, you mid as well not be shooting, so you better plucking aim!
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Start crunching the numbers on that for the NYPD.
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:37:16 PM EDT
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That's what I would think but a murder charge instead of manslaughter.
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Come on, NYPD.  You are not doing the rest of the country's LEos any favors...
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Felony murder.
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Felony murder.

And rather appropriate for an armed robbery.
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You think so Nostradamus?

http://thatsthejoke.net/thatsthejoke.jpg

Someone was calling Sanford Rubenstein before the body was cold.
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:45:40 PM EDT
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What else is new?
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I guarantee you're wrong. Go research "transferred intent." It applies to this situation.

Civil suits are another matter,  a lot more ways you can plead that.
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I garuntee you that if a normal person shot someone with their chl and missed and killed a person they'd be up on manslaughter charges.


I guarantee you're wrong. Go research "transferred intent." It applies to this situation.

Civil suits are another matter,  a lot more ways you can plead that.


Touche`.  However it wouldn't suprise me if a DA tried charging the person with a CHL with manslaughter.
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:47:55 PM EDT
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Felony murder.
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Felony murder.


Is there any other time of Murder?

Capitol murder is just semantics.
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What is it with the lack of shooting skills in the NYPD?

Seems like you hear of them accidentally shooting bystanders more than you hear of them intentionally shooting bad guys.



I swear a 3 year old child could shoot better...
Link Posted: 8/29/2015 1:51:48 PM EDT
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Lack of training.
50 rounds at paper twice a year isn't training.
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Good luck with that. My friends that are instructors say they have been trying to get the department to approve better training for over a decade with barely any luck.
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Good luck with that. My friends that are instructors say they have been trying to get the department to approve better training for over a decade with barely any luck.


Funny/sad part is most gun people shoot better than most cops because they don't take the time to become proficiant in shooting.

Even when shooting was work I enjoyed the shit out of it.
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