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Posted: 8/25/2015 6:19:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2015 6:22:19 PM EDT
[#1]
dupe
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Posted: 8/25/2015 6:27:04 PM EDT
[#2]
No depleted uranium armor on those export models!
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Posted: 8/25/2015 6:28:30 PM EDT
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That missile looked like it was going awfully slow.
Does the Saudi Army get the same Abrams our guys get or the monkey model? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 6:29:01 PM EDT
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That missile looked like it was going awfully slow. Does the Saudi Army get the same Abrams our guys get or the monkey model? Monkey model. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 6:30:22 PM EDT
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Hmmm, thought that only happened to Russian trash.
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Posted: 8/25/2015 6:30:47 PM EDT
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1. Export model or not, for the crews sake, I hope the ammunition compartment doors and blow-out system worked.
2. Where the heck is their infantry? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 6:32:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmmm, thought that only happened to Russian trash. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 6:34:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No depleted uranium armor on those export models! the DU on the US models is only in the front turret. the atgm hit the side of the turret which is only spaced steel armor. looks like the haylon fire suppression system was overwhelmed too |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 6:35:32 PM EDT
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Pretty sure that's how it's designed. The ammo is stored in the back of the turret and it has blow off panels to vent the propellant when it cooks off. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 6:40:18 PM EDT
[#10]
Don't like to see that, even if it is an export model. I doubt the crew survived.
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Posted: 8/25/2015 6:41:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure that's how it's designed. The ammo is stored in the back of the turret and it has blow off panels to vent the propellant when it cooks off. it looked like flames were coming out of the drivers and loaders hatches too |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 6:43:10 PM EDT
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These are the guys we're allowing to develop nukes.
I don't have words 
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Posted: 8/25/2015 6:46:06 PM EDT
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Doesn't seem like monkey models:
In July 2006 the US DSCA informed Congress external link [PDF] that the government of Saudi Arabia wished to purchase 58 M1A1 Abrams tanks external link, then upgrade these M1A1s, along with its existing 315 M1A2s, to create 373 M1A2S (Saudi) Abrams configuration main battle tanks. The sale will include kits, spare and repair parts, communications and support equipment, publications and technical data, personnel training and training equipment, contractor engineering and technical support services and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $2.9 billion. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 6:54:51 PM EDT
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Can someone please explain to me what a "monkey model" Abrams is?
What is lacking besides the advanced armor array? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 6:58:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can someone please explain to me what a "monkey model" Abrams is? What is lacking besides the advanced armor array? usually it means not the latest armor package and maybe less advanced targeting systems. i think when Australia got their M1's, they had normal composite armor just not the DU layer |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:01:58 PM EDT
[#16]
Geeeeeeezus........ :/
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:02:38 PM EDT
[#17]
So if Saudis go to war against Iran, their tanks are meat on a plate. Interesting.
Can anyone tell if that was a Russian ATGM, or an Iranian made TOE copy? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:03:27 PM EDT
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Can someone please explain to me what a "monkey model" Abrams is? What is lacking besides the advanced armor array? Export models. Without all the special features. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:05:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Export models. Without all the special features. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can someone please explain to me what a "monkey model" Abrams is? What is lacking besides the advanced armor array? Export models. Without all the special features. i think it depends on who is getting them. iirc, the Australian M1 were refurbished USMC M1A1s |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:06:06 PM EDT
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Who is shooting at the Saudi's with advanced ATM's and where?
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:06:18 PM EDT
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The Saudi's got plenty of money, how do we know if this wasn't just them sacrificing a tank to test armor capabilities?
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:07:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who is shooting at the Saudi's with advanced ATM's and where? probably around the border with Yemen. the Saudi's have been launching attacks there for the last year or so |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:07:50 PM EDT
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There are ways to prevent this.
Sitting in an open field within atgm range of high ground is not one of them. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:08:04 PM EDT
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Can someone please explain to me what a "monkey model" Abrams is? What is lacking besides the advanced armor array? Roll up windows .no cruise control and a base radio. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:08:25 PM EDT
[#25]
If hit the back of the turret and into the round storage if the door was shut they are fine and thanking General Dynamics for designing such a safe vehicle.
New turret, maybe. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:09:38 PM EDT
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Why does the missile knuckle ball and not fly straight?
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:10:55 PM EDT
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So if Saudis go to war against Iran, their tanks are meat on a plate. Interesting. Can anyone tell if that was a Russian AGTM, or an Iranian made TOE copy? No one, including the US, ever thought the M1 Abrams was invulnerable. Getting taken out by a modern ATGM isn't outrageous at all, we lost them in Iraq to RPG-29s, which have less penetration than a ATGM. Missile is most likely an Iranian ATGM, a local copy of the TOW. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:11:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: probably around the border with Yemen. the Saudi's have been launching attacks there for the last year or so Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Who is shooting at the Saudi's with advanced ATM's and where? probably around the border with Yemen. the Saudi's have been launching attacks there for the last year or so Shia rebels backed by Iran. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:12:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't like to see that, even if it is an export model. I doubt the crew survived. I don't get too torn up over dead bad guys. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:12:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why does the missile buckle ball and not fly straight? because it's making adjustments depending on where the gunner is aiming with the launcher |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:12:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why does the missile knuckle ball and not fly straight? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:14:04 PM EDT
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i think it depends on who is getting them. iirc, the Australian M1 were refurbished USMC M1A1s Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can someone please explain to me what a "monkey model" Abrams is? What is lacking besides the advanced armor array? Export models. Without all the special features. i think it depends on who is getting them. iirc, the Australian M1 were refurbished USMC M1A1s The first Marine M1s were refurbished Army ones I thought. I served with the first Marine M1s in the first Gulf war. The poor Aussies got one of USMCtanker old tanks. 
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:14:17 PM EDT
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Doesn't seem like monkey models: 2006 Saudi Shopping Spree: $2.9B to Upgrade Their M1 Tank Fleet Quote HistoryQuoted:
Doesn't seem like monkey models: In July 2006 the US DSCA informed Congress external link [PDF] that the government of Saudi Arabia wished to purchase 58 M1A1 Abrams tanks external link, then upgrade these M1A1s, along with its existing 315 M1A2s, to create 373 M1A2S (Saudi) Abrams configuration main battle tanks. The sale will include kits, spare and repair parts, communications and support equipment, publications and technical data, personnel training and training equipment, contractor engineering and technical support services and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $2.9 billion. Yup...been making the engine components (Diffuser and Trans Case) since '06... |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:16:28 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So if Saudis go to war against Iran, their tanks are meat on a plate. Interesting. Can anyone tell if that was a Russian AGTM, or an Iranian made TOE copy? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:16:57 PM EDT
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Is this ATGM comparable to what engaged our tanks in Iraq?
Isn't the RPG-29 a credible threat against our current tanks? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:17:47 PM EDT
[#36]
Mideast tank tactics. Drive 1 or 2 tanks into ATGM country and sit there with the AC on doing nothing because you have no infantry.
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:18:07 PM EDT
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Embed made into link. Damn, I wish that embedded videos worked for me. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:18:11 PM EDT
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It is most likely following the point of aim of the operator's shaky hands. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why does the missile knuckle ball and not fly straight? So you're saying the goat is putting up a fight? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:18:18 PM EDT
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Who is shooting at the Saudi's with advanced ATM's and where? Iranian supplied Yemenis. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:18:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't get too torn up over dead bad guys. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Don't like to see that, even if it is an export model. I doubt the crew survived. I don't get too torn up over dead bad guys. Like the Saudi Armor lieutenants I went to Armor school with at Knox? Welp, their money bought me lots of Yeager bombs |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:19:00 PM EDT
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So you're saying the goat is putting up a fight? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why does the missile knuckle ball and not fly straight? So you're saying the goat is putting up a fight? Well, when you push up against a ridge like that, they tend to push back. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:19:15 PM EDT
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Why does the missile knuckle ball and not fly straight? Wire-guided. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:20:07 PM EDT
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Who is shooting at the Saudi's with advanced ATM's and where? Houthi Repels, from Yemen Yemen is split almost evenly between Sunni and Shia. A civil war brought down the govt, rebels control most of the country, fighting between Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), supported by Saudi Arabia, and the Houthis, supported by Iran. The Houthis are winning, all the Sunnis are running away, lots crossing over into Saudi Arabia. A few months ago, Saudi invaded Yemen to stop border incursions and because they don't want another powerful Shia country nearby, that is a Iranian proxy. The tank that was taken out was located in a contested area within Yemen. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:22:31 PM EDT
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I don't get too torn up over dead bad guys. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't like to see that, even if it is an export model. I doubt the crew survived. I don't get too torn up over dead bad guys. You do realize the tank crew was trying to kill Iranian supported terrorists? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:25:18 PM EDT
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Is this ATGM comparable to what engaged our tanks in Iraq? Isn't the RPG-29 a credible threat against our current tanks? Barely any RPG-29s made it into Iraq. The few that were used successfully took out US and UK MBTs. The ability of most ATGMs is grossly higher than even a RPG-29 tandem round. The US has never had to face a significant ATGM threat. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:26:50 PM EDT
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You do realize the tank crew was trying to kill Iranian supported terrorists? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't like to see that, even if it is an export model. I doubt the crew survived. I don't get too torn up over dead bad guys. You do realize the tank crew was trying to kill Iranian supported terrorists? Meanwhile, the govt of the tank crew is allied with Yemen's own Al Qaeda affiliate. Remember those guys? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:32:48 PM EDT
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No air assets? No infantry? Just park in the middle of the field and fuck goats?
Looks a lot like Syrian Government tank videos, too. Same shitty tactics will result in the same shitty results. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:33:49 PM EDT
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So Al Qaeda versus Rev guard led tribals?
And both sides now have first world weapons? I hope they dont ever decide to kiss and make up. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:36:17 PM EDT
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There are ways to prevent this. Sitting in an open field within atgm range of high ground is not one of them. Pays to know threat weapons. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:36:41 PM EDT
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that car didn't haul ass out of there nearly as fast as I would have
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