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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:37:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like the Saudi Armor lieutenants I went to Armor school with at Knox? Welp, their money bought me lots of Yeager bombs Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Don't like to see that, even if it is an export model. I doubt the crew survived. I don't get too torn up over dead bad guys. Like the Saudi Armor lieutenants I went to Armor school with at Knox? Welp, their money bought me lots of Yeager bombs |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:37:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup...been making the engine components (Diffuser and Trans Case) since '06... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Doesn't seem like monkey models: In July 2006 the US DSCA informed Congress external link [PDF] that the government of Saudi Arabia wished to purchase 58 M1A1 Abrams tanks external link, then upgrade these M1A1s, along with its existing 315 M1A2s, to create 373 M1A2S (Saudi) Abrams configuration main battle tanks. The sale will include kits, spare and repair parts, communications and support equipment, publications and technical data, personnel training and training equipment, contractor engineering and technical support services and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $2.9 billion. Yup...been making the engine components (Diffuser and Trans Case) since '06...  Nick |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:42:38 PM EDT
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Mideast tank tactics. Drive 1 or 2 tanks into ATGM country and sit there with the AC on doing nothing because you have no infantry. This. And in a valley no less. This video doesn't represent a tank as much as a tactics problem. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:46:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No depleted uranium armor on those export models! Nor any electronic counter measures and that special waffer like layered armor. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:51:48 PM EDT
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Barely any RPG-29s made it into Iraq. The few that were used successfully took out US and UK MBTs. The ability of most ATGMs is grossly higher than even a RPG-29 tandem round. The US has never had to face a significant ATGM threat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this ATGM comparable to what engaged our tanks in Iraq? Isn't the RPG-29 a credible threat against our current tanks? Barely any RPG-29s made it into Iraq. The few that were used successfully took out US and UK MBTs. The ability of most ATGMs is grossly higher than even a RPG-29 tandem round. The US has never had to face a significant ATGM threat. On a global stage (China, Russia, Iran, etc...) what systems pose the biggest threat? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:54:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Barely any RPG-29s made it into Iraq. The few that were used successfully took out US and UK MBTs. The ability of most ATGMs is grossly higher than even a RPG-29 tandem round. The US has never had to face a significant ATGM threat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is this ATGM comparable to what engaged our tanks in Iraq? Isn't the RPG-29 a credible threat against our current tanks? Barely any RPG-29s made it into Iraq. The few that were used successfully took out US and UK MBTs. The ability of most ATGMs is grossly higher than even a RPG-29 tandem round. The US has never had to face a significant ATGM threat. There is Army testing footage of Abrams shrugging off Hellfire missiles. If that ain't a ATGM, I dont know what is. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:54:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nor any electronic counter measures and that special waffle like layered armor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No depleted uranium armor on those export models! Nor any electronic counter measures and that special waffle like layered armor. there's nothing special about the spaced steel armor. tanks have been using that since WWII  |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:55:13 PM EDT
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Barely any RPG-29s made it into Iraq. The few that were used successfully took out US and UK MBTs. The ability of most ATGMs is grossly higher than even a RPG-29 tandem round. The US has never had to face a significant ATGM threat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this ATGM comparable to what engaged our tanks in Iraq? Isn't the RPG-29 a credible threat against our current tanks? Barely any RPG-29s made it into Iraq. The few that were used successfully took out US and UK MBTs. The ability of most ATGMs is grossly higher than even a RPG-29 tandem round. The US has never had to face a significant ATGM threat. Don't the Izzys have some countermeasure for this, some sort of a tank CIWS? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:57:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: there's nothing special about the spaced steel armor. tanks have been using that since WWII http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/mbt/armor.american.m1.abrams-side-hull-exposed.flags=opsec.abrame.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No depleted uranium armor on those export models! Nor any electronic counter measures and that special waffle like layered armor. there's nothing special about the spaced steel armor. tanks have been using that since WWII http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/mbt/armor.american.m1.abrams-side-hull-exposed.flags=opsec.abrame.jpg  It's layered with various composites and metals. It's not spaced metal sheets |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:57:36 PM EDT
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Don't the Izzys have some countermeasure for this, some sort of a tank CIWS? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this ATGM comparable to what engaged our tanks in Iraq? Isn't the RPG-29 a credible threat against our current tanks? Barely any RPG-29s made it into Iraq. The few that were used successfully took out US and UK MBTs. The ability of most ATGMs is grossly higher than even a RPG-29 tandem round. The US has never had to face a significant ATGM threat. Don't the Izzys have some countermeasure for this, some sort of a tank CIWS? Trophy. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 7:59:34 PM EDT
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That picture looks like an M60 turret to me.
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Posted: 8/25/2015 8:03:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's layered with various composites and metals. It's not spaced metal sheets Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No depleted uranium armor on those export models! Nor any electronic counter measures and that special waffle like layered armor. there's nothing special about the spaced steel armor. tanks have been using that since WWII http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/mbt/armor.american.m1.abrams-side-hull-exposed.flags=opsec.abrame.jpg It's layered with various composites and metals. It's not spaced metal sheets composite (Chobham/Dorchester) sections are in the front turret and front hull and front half of the side skirts. side turret is spaced steel  man, these topics make me miss ManicMoran. we'd have some great discussions like this here and over at tank-net |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 8:06:32 PM EDT
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Nor any electronic counter measures and that special waffer like layered armor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No depleted uranium armor on those export models! Nor any electronic counter measures and that special waffer like layered armor. What electronic counter measures (outside of Russian and Israeli active protection systems) can defeat optically guided missiles? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 8:07:15 PM EDT
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http://www.iai.co.il/2013/36563-43354-en/ELTA%20-%20Systems%20by%20Product%20Lines.aspx
This little gadget detects ATGM launch and then precisely locates the position of the launcher. I think it is part of the trophy system. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 8:08:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What electronic counter measures (outside of Russian and Israeli active protection systems) can defeat optically guided missiles? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No depleted uranium armor on those export models! Nor any electronic counter measures and that special waffer like layered armor. What electronic counter measures (outside of Russian and Israeli active protection systems) can defeat optically guided missiles? There is a laser ratheon has been testing that will "blind" the incoming missile. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 8:08:43 PM EDT
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What electronic counter measures (outside of Russian and Israeli active protection systems) can defeat optically guided missiles? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No depleted uranium armor on those export models! Nor any electronic counter measures and that special waffer like layered armor. What electronic counter measures (outside of Russian and Israeli active protection systems) can defeat optically guided missiles? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 8:09:36 PM EDT
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It is most likely following the point of aim of the operator's shaky hands. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why does the missile knuckle ball and not fly straight? It's probably fly by wire, and microcorrects to the actual point of aim. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 8:10:36 PM EDT
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IR jammer Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No depleted uranium armor on those export models! Nor any electronic counter measures and that special waffer like layered armor. What electronic counter measures (outside of Russian and Israeli active protection systems) can defeat optically guided missiles? How will an IR jammer jam Mk1 eyeballs? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 8:14:15 PM EDT
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How will an IR jammer jam Mk1 eyeballs? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No depleted uranium armor on those export models! Nor any electronic counter measures and that special waffer like layered armor. What electronic counter measures (outside of Russian and Israeli active protection systems) can defeat optically guided missiles? How will an IR jammer jam Mk1 eyeballs? MACLOS missiles are immune to them, with SACLOS missiles it cause steering errors to be transmitted to the missile because the jammer imitates the IR beacon in the tail of the missile that is tracked by the launcher. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 8:16:14 PM EDT
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How will an IR jammer jam Mk1 eyeballs? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No depleted uranium armor on those export models! Nor any electronic counter measures and that special waffer like layered armor. What electronic counter measures (outside of Russian and Israeli active protection systems) can defeat optically guided missiles? How will an IR jammer jam Mk1 eyeballs? Smoke? Or is that too old-fashioned? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 8:17:47 PM EDT
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No air assets? No infantry? Just park in the middle of the field and fuck goats? Looks a lot like Syrian Government tank videos, too. Same shitty tactics will result in the same shitty results. In before a Saudi version of Sylvan educates you and makes this a CAS failure thead.
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Posted: 8/25/2015 8:30:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do realize the tank crew was trying to kill Iranian supported terrorists? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Don't like to see that, even if it is an export model. I doubt the crew survived. I don't get too torn up over dead bad guys. You do realize the tank crew was trying to kill Iranian supported terrorists? They were muslim. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 8:50:39 PM EDT
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Is this ATGM comparable to what engaged our tanks in Iraq? Isn't the RPG-29 a credible threat against our current tanks? Barely any RPG-29s made it into Iraq. The few that were used successfully took out US and UK MBTs. The ability of most ATGMs is grossly higher than even a RPG-29 tandem round. The US has never had to face a significant ATGM threat. Don't the Izzys have some countermeasure for this, some sort of a tank CIWS? Trophy. It's not operational yet is it? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 9:07:13 PM EDT
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Meanwhile, the govt of the tank crew is allied with Yemen's own Al Qaeda affiliate. Remember those guys? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't like to see that, even if it is an export model. I doubt the crew survived. I don't get too torn up over dead bad guys. You do realize the tank crew was trying to kill Iranian supported terrorists? Meanwhile, the govt of the tank crew is allied with Yemen's own Al Qaeda affiliate. Remember those guys? Salafist to the right of me, Houthis to the left, stuck in the middle... Hey! The makings of a cool song! Actually the Saud's were perfectly happy for the Yemeni's to chase AQAP around. When the Madrassa's started producing AQAP by the metric buttload, the pucker factor went way high. Then the little incident of the Yemeni President getting blown up and going to SA for hospitalization sort of sealed the deal. Iran saw the chance to make great inroads to reaching Mecca and Medina from the south and made their move. Now SA is faced with the choice of stopping Iran (which will aid AQAP affiliates in Yemen) or smacking AQAP and letting Iran get a more solid foothold. My guess is they will push back the Houthis first (most immediate threat) then push out AQAP to 'restore the properly elected government' (cough cough). Three way cluster no matter how you look at it. Here's a funny thought... What would happen if Al Shabab sends forces to Yemen to fight Iranian influence, but are intercepted enroute by U.S. and Kenyan forces? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 9:39:39 PM EDT
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There is Army testing footage of Abrams shrugging off Hellfire missiles. If that ain't a ATGM, I dont know what is. There is also ISIS testing footage of Iraqi Abrams getting their turrets sent into the next county. If I had to be stuck in a steel box when things were going boom around me I'd prefer to be in a Challenger 2 or Leopard 2, but we're stuck with what we got. Somehow the richest country on earth must use 30 year old designs for most everything. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 9:42:11 PM EDT
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It's not operational yet is it? There's at least a few of them... "No tanks were damaged during Operation Protective Edge, with the Trophy Active Protection system performing over a dozen interceptions of anti-tank weapons including Kornets, Metis and RPG-29.[31] The system, by identifying the source of fire, on occasion also allowed tanks to kill the Hamas anti-tank team.[32]" ...which is nice since the Merks rep got exposed so badly by Hez a while back. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 9:57:28 PM EDT
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How many Abrams have we lost to enemy fire since gwot started?
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Posted: 8/25/2015 9:58:23 PM EDT
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man, these topics make me miss ManicMoran. we'd have some great discussions like this here and over at tank-net Wait! What? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 10:02:39 PM EDT
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The Saudi's got plenty of money, how do we know if this wasn't just them sacrificing a tank to test armor capabilities? They don't have plenty of money right now. See: oil prices. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 10:03:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is also ISIS testing footage of Iraqi Abrams getting their turrets sent into the next county. If I had to be stuck in a steel box when things were going boom around me I'd prefer to be in a Challenger 2 or Leopard 2, but we're stuck with what we got. Somehow the richest country on earth must use 30 year old designs for most everything. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is Army testing footage of Abrams shrugging off Hellfire missiles. If that ain't a ATGM, I dont know what is. There is also ISIS testing footage of Iraqi Abrams getting their turrets sent into the next county. If I had to be stuck in a steel box when things were going boom around me I'd prefer to be in a Challenger 2 or Leopard 2, but we're stuck with what we got. Somehow the richest country on earth must use 30 year old designs for most everything. to the Abrams. I personally would take the one with the DU armor package, which I believe only the U.S. uses in the M1A1 HA and M1A2 variants. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 10:05:50 PM EDT
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It is most likely following the point of aim of the operator's shaky hands. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why does the missile knuckle ball and not fly straight? All TOWs fly that way. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 10:09:56 PM EDT
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man, these topics make me miss ManicMoran. we'd have some great discussions like this here and over at tank-net Wait! What? Yea, what happened? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 10:10:08 PM EDT
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It's not operational yet is it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this ATGM comparable to what engaged our tanks in Iraq? Isn't the RPG-29 a credible threat against our current tanks? Barely any RPG-29s made it into Iraq. The few that were used successfully took out US and UK MBTs. The ability of most ATGMs is grossly higher than even a RPG-29 tandem round. The US has never had to face a significant ATGM threat. Don't the Izzys have some countermeasure for this, some sort of a tank CIWS? Trophy. It's not operational yet is it? Its operational. IDF credited it with 5 tank saves in gaza. whether true or not who knows? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 10:13:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is also ISIS testing footage of Iraqi Abrams getting their turrets sent into the next county. If I had to be stuck in a steel box when things were going boom around me I'd prefer to be in a Challenger 2 or Leopard 2, but we're stuck with what we got. Somehow the richest country on earth must use 30 year old designs for most everything. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is Army testing footage of Abrams shrugging off Hellfire missiles. If that ain't a ATGM, I dont know what is. There is also ISIS testing footage of Iraqi Abrams getting their turrets sent into the next county. If I had to be stuck in a steel box when things were going boom around me I'd prefer to be in a Challenger 2 or Leopard 2, but we're stuck with what we got. Somehow the richest country on earth must use 30 year old designs for most everything. No tank can reliably survive an off axis hit from a multistage atgm. Hence the rise of active protection. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 10:17:16 PM EDT
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How many Abrams have we lost to enemy fire since gwot started? Not many, most were due to large IEDS. But the Iraq insurgency never really had the weapons capable of taking one out. The insurgents in Syria and Yemen are better armed in that regards. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 10:21:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So Al Qaeda versus Rev guard led tribals? And both sides now have first world weapons? I hope they dont ever decide to kiss and make up. Unlikely. Shi'a and Sunni hate each other more than they hate Christians or America. They might form an alliance if it meant killing Jews, however. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 10:22:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea, what happened? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: man, these topics make me miss ManicMoran. we'd have some great discussions like this here and over at tank-net Wait! What? Yea, what happened? sorry, i just meant that he's not around anymore as far as i've seen |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 10:22:43 PM EDT
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Unlikely. Shi'a and Sunni hate each other more than they hate Christians or America. They might form an alliance if it meant killing Jews, however. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So Al Qaeda versus Rev guard led tribals? And both sides now have first world weapons? I hope they dont ever decide to kiss and make up. Unlikely. Shi'a and Sunni hate each other more than they hate Christians or America. They might form an alliance if it meant killing Jews, however. Or Americans. Shai Iran supported numerous Sunnit terrorist organizations in the past |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 10:28:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or Americans. Shai Iran supported numerous Sunnit terrorist organizations in the past Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So Al Qaeda versus Rev guard led tribals? And both sides now have first world weapons? I hope they dont ever decide to kiss and make up. Unlikely. Shi'a and Sunni hate each other more than they hate Christians or America. They might form an alliance if it meant killing Jews, however. Or Americans. Shai Iran supported numerous Sunnit terrorist organizations in the past One of the stranger facts of history is that Israel sold weapons and parts to Iran in the 1980s. At the time Iraq was seen as the bigger threat, so keeping Iran in the fight was more important to the Israelis. Now that Saddam is gone and Iraq is weak and divided Iran is the biggest threat to Israel. So big that the Jews are now making nice with the Saudis, who are eager to form alliances against Iran. That's the problem in that part of the world: It's difficult to form lasting alliances, because there are no "good guys" and everyone is bad to some degree. An ally one day might become your worst enemy the next. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 10:28:35 PM EDT
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When did anybodies tanks become impenetrable...??
There called tactics for a reason.. and not having any is what makes most of these tanks go boom... For every tank, there is going to be an Anti tank...History has proven it time and time again. Stop running a tank by it self, with no combined arms support (or wing man) and then sit there.. waiting to be shot. A great tactic the Izzy's learned was when they detect a ATGM launch signature( Flash, Puff of smoke) have the Plt start pumping WP rds in that area... Better be a hardcore disciplined ATGM gunner to be able to stay on target and keep steering his missile to the target when his ass is on fire. And movement goes a long way towards making it a bit harder for the gunner to steer on to the target. I've watched plenty of these video's, and they all have one thing in common... poor to no tactics employed. with no combined arms at all. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 10:44:52 PM EDT
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When did anybodies tanks become impenetrable...?? There called tactics for a reason.. and not having any is what makes most of these tanks go boom... For every tank, there is going to be an Anti tank...History has proven it time and time again. Stop running a tank by it self, with no combined arms support (or wing man) and then sit there.. waiting to be shot. A great tactic the Izzy's learned was when they detect a ATGM launch signature( Flash, Puff of smoke) have the Plt start pumping WP rds in that area... Better be a hardcore disciplined ATGM gunner to be able to stay on target and keep steering his missile to the target when his ass is on fire. And movement goes a long way towards making it a bit harder for the gunner to steer on to the target. I've watched plenty of these video's, and they all have one thing in common... poor to no tactics employed. with no combined arms at all. If that tank was supposed to be pulling security in that valley indefinitely, how is it supposed to do that without being a target for a TOW? It can't drive in non stop circles all day, every day. Immobility is the nature of counter insurgencies. Often units are stuck pulling security in a single location, with vehicles stationary for entire days in one spot. The US was guilty of this big time in Iraq and Afghanistan. Dudes get complacent, officers issue shitty orders. The only wake up call for a unit is often to take causalities, and even then leaders are often still too stubborn or stupid to adopt. C'est la guerre. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 11:00:03 PM EDT
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Hmmm, thought that only happened to Russian trash. Turret stayed on. Looked like someone kept trying to get out as well. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 11:06:18 PM EDT
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Can someone please explain to me what a "monkey model" Abrams is? What is lacking besides the advanced armor array? The gunner's primary sight is made by Tapco, the LRF is the same one Cabela's sells, and the FBCB2 was replaced with a tablet from Best Buy. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 11:14:32 PM EDT
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Ouch.
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Posted: 8/25/2015 11:30:21 PM EDT
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Crew was definitely KIA.
Moral? Don't sit around without infantry support and your ammo doors open so you can reload faster. |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 11:51:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is also ISIS testing footage of Iraqi Abrams getting their turrets sent into the next county. If I had to be stuck in a steel box when things were going boom around me I'd prefer to be in a Challenger 2 or Leopard 2, but we're stuck with what we got. Somehow the richest country on earth must use 30 year old designs for most everything. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is Army testing footage of Abrams shrugging off Hellfire missiles. If that ain't a ATGM, I dont know what is. There is also ISIS testing footage of Iraqi Abrams getting their turrets sent into the next county. If I had to be stuck in a steel box when things were going boom around me I'd prefer to be in a Challenger 2 or Leopard 2, but we're stuck with what we got. Somehow the richest country on earth must use 30 year old designs for most everything. Oh bullshit. Abrams is every bit as good as those two and maybe better. And all the Western tanks are as old as the Abrams are pretty damn . You don't need to invent a new tank every 5 years to stay up to date.
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Posted: 8/25/2015 11:58:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Crew was definitely KIA. Moral? Don't sit around without infantry support and your ammo doors open so you can reload faster. Or any support? The idiots looked like they were all alone. And Arabs aren't smart enough to use dispersion. So, I doubt they were just alittle bit behind
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Posted: 8/26/2015 12:04:08 AM EDT
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Am I the only one who noticed that the shot was as near a top attack as you're likely to get short of an aircraft. Ain't a tank in the 'verse properly armored against a top attack.
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Posted: 8/26/2015 12:11:18 AM EDT
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Can someone please explain to me what a "monkey model" Abrams is? What is lacking besides the advanced armor array? usually it means not the latest armor package and maybe less advanced targeting systems. i think when Australia got their M1's, they had normal composite armor just not the DU layer I realize the composite (or lack thereof) armor will be less technologically advanced, but what is it *specifically* about the FCS that's less advanced? No auto inputs in the GPS? What? By today's standards, the '86-'88 M1A1s (pre-DU) are pretty basic compared to what came after, and especially the M1A2 SEPs. Regardless, I wouldn't hesitate to fight in one against Arab or Russian crews. Our ammo and FCS in the M48A5s (let alone the M1 IPs) were and are light years ahead of export T-72s and Toyota's. |
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Posted: 8/26/2015 12:11:39 AM EDT
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Can someone please explain to me what a "monkey model" Abrams is? What is lacking besides the advanced armor array? Export models. Without all the special features. What are the "special features" you speak of? |
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