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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:56:25 AM EDT

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I love my Glocks and am carrying one on duty right now.

But yeah, it won't fire with the slide pushed back.

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And that's why I want a second strike option on my pistol.

Glock would have worked on the first trigger pull

In before the 1911 crowd, they wont either

Not if it was out of battery like his sig was

I love my Glocks and am carrying one on duty right now.

But yeah, it won't fire with the slide pushed back.

Posted: 11/25/2014 8:57:49 AM EDT

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Glock would have worked on the first trigger pull

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And that's why I want a second strike option on my pistol.

Glock would have worked on the first trigger pull

Nope, but a revolver would have.

Posted: 11/25/2014 9:02:07 AM EDT

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Love me some Glock but carry an FNX as EDC for this reason.

Of course this can also work against you if bad guy gets gun away from you.

Posted: 11/25/2014 9:02:57 AM EDT

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Let's all go buy Sigs today.

Posted: 11/25/2014 9:15:33 AM EDT

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I'd keep my Glock and take my chances.

Posted: 11/25/2014 9:20:50 AM EDT

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And that's why I want a second strike option on my pistol.

Glock would have worked on the first trigger pull

If it wasn't out of battery. But the glock would have still fired once it got back into battery.

Posted: 11/25/2014 9:30:17 AM EDT

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And that's why I want a second strike option on my pistol.

Glock would have worked on the first trigger pull

Not necessarily. If anyone had their hand on the slide, and it had any bit of rearward pressure on it, it would be "out of battery," and thus, would not fire.

Posted: 11/25/2014 9:31:57 AM EDT

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My glock did not go off the first time I pulled the trigger when I had a suspect on top of me choking me, and it was not out of battery either. I had to raise it above my head with his hand still trying to grab it, rack it with my other hand, then shoot downwards at him. Never really figured out why it didn't fire.

Posted: 11/25/2014 9:36:52 AM EDT

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Does that mean GD likes these now?

http://www.cuttingedgearms.com/handguns/handgun-standoff/

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/228932/cz-tactical-block-with-bayonet-cz75-sp-01-p-01-40-s-and-w

Posted: 11/25/2014 9:42:42 AM EDT

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This thread has turned predictably stupid.

Posted: 11/25/2014 9:43:32 AM EDT

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My glock did not go off the first time I pulled the trigger when I had a suspect on top of me choking me, and it was not out of battery either. I had to raise it above my head with his hand still trying to grab it, rack it with my other hand, then shoot downwards at him. Never really figured out why it didn't fire.

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We're gonna need the full story.

Posted: 11/25/2014 9:49:43 AM EDT

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If it wasn't out of battery. But the glock would have still fired once it got back into battery.

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And that's why I want a second strike option on my pistol.

Glock would have worked on the first trigger pull

If it wasn't out of battery. But the glock would have still fired once it got back into battery.

Exactly. A Glock slide only needs to move a few millimeters to reset. It most certainly would have fired after Brown released the slide.

Posted: 11/25/2014 9:51:34 AM EDT

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if you read the testimony, Brown was pushing the gun down towards the officers body...gun was out of battery

Posted: 11/25/2014 9:53:49 AM EDT

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My glock did not go off the first time I pulled the trigger when I had a suspect on top of me choking me, and it was not out of battery either. I had to raise it above my head with his hand still trying to grab it, rack it with my other hand, then shoot downwards at him. Never really figured out why it didn't fire.

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Next time use his face or his side or back to rack the slide

Posted: 11/25/2014 9:56:02 AM EDT

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^This, in spades!

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^This, in spades!

Derp

Posted: 11/25/2014 9:56:44 AM EDT

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A thread of derp from Glock fanboys?!? What is this world coming to?

Posted: 11/25/2014 10:02:20 AM EDT

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We're gonna need the full story.

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My glock did not go off the first time I pulled the trigger when I had a suspect on top of me choking me, and it was not out of battery either. I had to raise it above my head with his hand still trying to grab it, rack it with my other hand, then shoot downwards at him. Never really figured out why it didn't fire.

We're gonna need the full story.

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Meh, it's a long one, and I feel it would make me look like an attention whore. I just wanted to point out that I have had an instance of a Glock not working the first time. I don't know if it was a bad round, but Speer Gold Dot is not known for bad rounds. I originally had the gun at my stomach, so I could see the slide, it did not appear out of battery, I also heard the distinctive click of the striker going off, as did the suspect.

Posted: 11/25/2014 10:10:40 AM EDT

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And that's why I want a second strike option on my pistol.

Glock would have worked on the first trigger pull

Ammo doesn't really care about the pistol it is fired from.

It's funny about that.

Posted: 11/25/2014 10:12:34 AM EDT

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And that's why I want a second strike option on my pistol.

Glock would have worked on the first trigger pull

If it fired while out of battery, it would have also blown Wilson's hand off.

Not a plus for Glock, unless you like Grenades going off in your hand.

Posted: 11/25/2014 10:12:39 AM EDT

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The second strike capability of a DA/SA pistol is a fine option in a handgun. In this case it may have saved Wilson's life.

Posted: 11/25/2014 10:14:09 AM EDT

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A DA/SA with RAILZ might offer a solid hand grip to a gentle giant

CZ-75b without RAILZ has a lower bore axis than a Sig- Best duty size gun in the world!

Posted: 11/25/2014 10:28:24 AM EDT

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A DA/SA with RAILZ might offer a solid hand grip to a gentle giant

CZ-75b without RAILZ has a lower bore axis than a Sig- Best duty size gun in the world!

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What is/are RAILZ

Nick

Posted: 11/25/2014 10:35:51 AM EDT

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I love my Glocks and am carrying one on duty right now.

But yeah, it won't fire with the slide pushed back.

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And that's why I want a second strike option on my pistol.

Glock would have worked on the first trigger pull

Not if it was out of battery like his sig was

I love my Glocks and am carrying one on duty right now.

But yeah, it won't fire with the slide pushed back.

Springfield XD extended recoil spring is designed to prevent an "out if battery" situation if muzzle is pressed into something. (Chadjetlag pokes glock fanboys where it is tender)

Posted: 11/25/2014 10:38:44 AM EDT

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What is/are RAILZ

Nick

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A DA/SA with RAILZ might offer a solid hand grip to a gentle giant

CZ-75b without RAILZ has a lower bore axis than a Sig- Best duty size gun in the world!

What is/are RAILZ

Nick

Itz whatz da beamz tatchez

Posted: 11/25/2014 10:45:06 AM EDT

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And that's why I want a second strike option on my pistol.

Glock would have worked on the first trigger pull

LoL hell no, you Glock fanbois are killing me. There is no way it would have fired given the situation at hand.

Posted: 11/25/2014 10:47:57 AM EDT

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Meh, it's a long one, and I feel it would make me look like an attention whore. I just wanted to point out that I have had an instance of a Glock not working the first time. I don't know if it was a bad round, but Speer Gold Dot is not known for bad rounds. I originally had the gun at my stomach, so I could see the slide, it did not appear out of battery, I also heard the distinctive click of the striker going off, as did the suspect.

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My glock did not go off the first time I pulled the trigger when I had a suspect on top of me choking me, and it was not out of battery either. I had to raise it above my head with his hand still trying to grab it, rack it with my other hand, then shoot downwards at him. Never really figured out why it didn't fire.

We're gonna need the full story.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2011/05/MichealJacksonPopcorn.gif

Meh, it's a long one, and I feel it would make me look like an attention whore. I just wanted to point out that I have had an instance of a Glock not working the first time. I don't know if it was a bad round, but Speer Gold Dot is not known for bad rounds. I originally had the gun at my stomach, so I could see the slide, it did not appear out of battery, I also heard the distinctive click of the striker going off, as did the suspect.

The loudest sound ever heard is a "click" when you are expecting a "bang". Glad that you won.:)

Posted: 11/25/2014 10:50:25 AM EDT

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Meh, it's a long one, and I feel it would make me look like an attention whore. I just wanted to point out that I have had an instance of a Glock not working the first time. I don't know if it was a bad round, but Speer Gold Dot is not known for bad rounds. I originally had the gun at my stomach, so I could see the slide, it did not appear out of battery, I also heard the distinctive click of the striker going off, as did the suspect.

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My glock did not go off the first time I pulled the trigger when I had a suspect on top of me choking me, and it was not out of battery either. I had to raise it above my head with his hand still trying to grab it, rack it with my other hand, then shoot downwards at him. Never really figured out why it didn't fire.

We're gonna need the full story.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2011/05/MichealJacksonPopcorn.gif

Meh, it's a long one, and I feel it would make me look like an attention whore. I just wanted to point out that I have had an instance of a Glock not working the first time. I don't know if it was a bad round, but Speer Gold Dot is not known for bad rounds. I originally had the gun at my stomach, so I could see the slide, it did not appear out of battery, I also heard the distinctive click of the striker going off, as did the suspect.

Speer Gold Dots do enjoy a stellar reputation for reliability, but nobody is 100%. I had a bad one 3 weeks ago, so it does happen, however exceedingly rare it is.

Posted: 11/25/2014 10:50:44 AM EDT

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I don't think it should be dismissed out of hand. Revolvers are more reliable than autos.

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So the lesson here is we should all carry revolvers.

I don't think it should be dismissed out of hand. Revolvers are more reliable than autos.

So now we all agree a double barrel derringer in .410 is all that was needed

Posted: 11/25/2014 10:53:00 AM EDT

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The second strike capability of a DA/SA pistol is a fine option in a handgun. In this case it may have saved Wilson's life.

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Sure is

Posted: 11/25/2014 10:55:05 AM EDT

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I wonder if he'll start carrying a retention knife.

Posted: 11/25/2014 10:59:10 AM EDT

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Springfield XD extended recoil spring is designed to prevent an "out if battery" situation if muzzle is pressed into something. (Chadjetlag pokes glock fanboys where it is tender)

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And that's why I want a second strike option on my pistol.

Glock would have worked on the first trigger pull

Not if it was out of battery like his sig was

I love my Glocks and am carrying one on duty right now.

But yeah, it won't fire with the slide pushed back.

Springfield XD extended recoil spring is designed to prevent an "out if battery" situation if muzzle is pressed into something. (Chadjetlag pokes glock fanboys where it is tender)

It's not designed that way. It's just shitty Croatian engineering that Springfield has decided to leverage to appeal to gun store commandos.

Posted: 11/25/2014 10:59:15 AM EDT

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I don't think it should be dismissed out of hand. Revolvers are more reliable than autos.

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So the lesson here is we should all carry revolvers.

I don't think it should be dismissed out of hand. Revolvers are more reliable than autos.

There was at least one incident where an officer had his revolver taken and saved his life by jamming the cylinder with his hand.

Posted: 11/25/2014 11:06:12 AM EDT

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Or Dindu had the decocker depressed?

Posted: 11/25/2014 11:11:24 AM EDT

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It's not designed that way. It's just shitty Croatian engineering that Springfield has decided to leverage to appeal to gun store commandos.

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Springfield XD extended recoil spring is designed to prevent an "out if battery" situation if muzzle is pressed into something. (Chadjetlag pokes glock fanboys where it is tender)

It's not designed that way. It's just shitty Croatian engineering that Springfield has decided to leverage to appeal to gun store commandos.

Love this place, this thread is now a Glock v XD fanboi purse swinging contest

Posted: 11/25/2014 11:11:30 AM EDT

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Glock would have blown up and killed them both.

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Glock would have blown up and killed them both.

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Posted: 11/25/2014 11:13:15 AM EDT

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Love this place, this thread is now a Glock v XD fanboi purse swinging contest

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Springfield XD extended recoil spring is designed to prevent an "out if battery" situation if muzzle is pressed into something. (Chadjetlag pokes glock fanboys where it is tender)

It's not designed that way. It's just shitty Croatian engineering that Springfield has decided to leverage to appeal to gun store commandos.

Love this place, this thread is now a Glock v XD fanboi purse swinging contest

I'm not a big fan of Glocks either, just responding to some drivel about XDs.

Posted: 11/25/2014 11:13:18 AM EDT

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yeah... i'm still gonna keep carrying a glock

Cheers.

Posted: 11/25/2014 11:14:37 AM EDT

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Does that mean GD likes these now?

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Well, the first one at least.... Same reason my backup is a Sig P232. Fixed barrel = contact shot won't push it out of battery!

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Posted: 11/25/2014 11:23:18 AM EDT

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This is why I detest "tap, rack, bang". Wilson had the gun with his strong hand and was fending off Brown with the other. How you gonna do a clearance drill with the bad guy holding the gun and you having only one hand to use with the gun? SIG for the win!

Posted: 11/25/2014 11:24:59 AM EDT

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And that's why I want a second strike option on my pistol.

Glock would have worked on the first trigger pull

Unless it was pushed out of battery as well. Doesn't take much on most semi auto pistols.

Posted: 11/25/2014 11:41:27 AM EDT

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Immediate action drill.

Tap, rack, bang. Rinse and repeat if firearm doesn't go bang.

Bigfeet

Posted: 11/25/2014 11:43:39 AM EDT

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This is an interesting thread.

Posted: 11/25/2014 11:43:58 AM EDT

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Immediate action drill.

Tap, rack, bang. Rinse and repeat if firearm doesn't go bang.

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Obviously no problem at all when the bad guy has a grip on your gun and your second hand is being used to try and hold him off.

Posted: 11/25/2014 11:46:06 AM EDT

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Nah. But if someone started cranking these out by next week they could sell a shit load of them here

Posted: 11/25/2014 11:46:48 AM EDT

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As a Glock guy this has always been a concern.

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After my wife managed to limp wrist my striker fired pistol, causing it to load a round but not cock, I sold my Glock and Walther.

Posted: 11/25/2014 11:54:21 AM EDT

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My glock did not go off the first time I pulled the trigger when I had a suspect on top of me choking me, and it was not out of battery either. I had to raise it above my head with his hand still trying to grab it, rack it with my other hand, then shoot downwards at him. Never really figured out why it didn't fire.

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I have a Gen 2.5 G29 that has failed to fire on two different occasions due to light primer strikes (using 175 gr. Winchester Silvertips). Luckily, my stakes weren't as high as yours since I was just target shooting during those times. I've never had that problem with any other round through that gun or with any of my other Glocks. I just no longer carry 175 gr. Silvertips in that G29.

Posted: 11/25/2014 11:55:19 AM EDT

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Nah. But if someone started cranking these out by next week they could sell a shit load of them here

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Nah. But if someone started cranking these out by next week they could sell a shit load of them here

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Or you could just use a weapon mounted light.

Whatever the cause I wonder if the citizens of Ferguson are glad they saved money by not having dash cams at the least.

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Posted: 11/25/2014 11:55:43 AM EDT

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Anyone recal the two British soldiers killed by the IRA, one of them had a pistol and there was a photo of him, standing on the roof of his car aiming at the mob.
He kept pulling the trigger and nothing happened so the mob beat the two of them and then executed them both, wwith his pistol after the killed did a tap, rack, bang drill.
As for revolvers, many years ago I was talking to an LAPD gunsmith who said he only saw two guns fail, both were revolvers, in one the officer was thrown against a cinder block wall the the cylinder was tweaked in the frame enough to bind up solid, in the other case the officer hit the suspect with his pistol during a struggle and the trigger guard bent enough to lock the trigger.
Nothing is fool proof.