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Here we go. No sighters, no warmups. Got to the range and made all shots for record. No mulligans, no excuses. First gun is a TOZ-35. It's a USSR-made free pistol, and it's my match gun for 50m men's pistol. It dos NOT like this ammo, but it's all I had. No excuses. Here's my club' long distance pistol range: It's KD 25 and 50 yard. Target is at 25 yards. Yes, the clouds were moving in and out and the evening sun was nasty. No excuses. http://i60.tinypic.com/fwhxro.jpg TOZ-35 Free Pistol (limited rimfire): http://i59.tinypic.com/16lgwt1.jpg http://i59.tinypic.com/2wdolr5.jpg http://i61.tinypic.com/wu5dmp.jpg A 1955-manufacture original Ruger Single Six (stock rimfire): http://i59.tinypic.com/28sxb2e.jpg http://i62.tinypic.com/10eg950.jpg http://i57.tinypic.com/30mu9w6.jpg A stock Glock 19 w/ Sevigny night sights (stock): Note: I caught the upper right edge of the paper with one shot, but all 25 did hit the paper. I estimated the outside ring by putting a bullet over the hole. Yes, I'm aware that increased the group size by a little. I thought that was the fair way to do it. No excuses there - I very nearly missed the paper completely and I shouldn't have. Calipers are set at 6". I made a mark (you can't see because it's in the black) and added the two measurements to get the full 11.48" group size. If that's not cool, I can get another picture with a tape measure or something. http://i58.tinypic.com/14kfdjc.jpg http://i57.tinypic.com/nxl1ti.jpg http://i58.tinypic.com/29yfpjp.jpg My S&W Shield 9mm w/ Trijicon HDs and the Apex trigger package (carry): - NOTE: I only count 17 shots on paper and my target carrier had too many holes elsewhere for a fair assessment. I did not shoot it again with more paper because, lets face it - I missed. However, this is an interesting comparison that shows just how much better of a fighting gun a duty-size handgun (Glock 19) is than a subcompact. Even as nice as the Shield is, small guns are harder to shoot. Still, no excuses; I need more practice. http://i62.tinypic.com/2cmu00i.jpg Limited Rimfire - TrojanMan - TOZ-35 - Factory free pistol - Aguila Match Pistol - one hand - 5.55 - MOA Stock Rimfire - TrojanMan - Ruger Single Six (1955 manf.) - none - Aguila Match Pistol - one hand - 5.41 - MOA Stock - TrojanMan - Glock 19 Gen4 - Sevigny night sights - 115gr Hornady FMJ handload - two hand - 11.48 - MOA Carry - TrojanMan - S&W Shield 9mm - Trojicon HD night sights & Apex trigger package - 115gr Hornady FMJ handload - two hand - More than 14" - DNF View Quote Next time I go to the range, I will shoot a target with my TOZ-35. Let's see if I can meet or beat you |
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GREAT job. That is really impressive shooting with the G19. Really impressive. I don't believe such things exist, but this thread has me wondering what a reduction of 2 pounds on my P250's would do for me. They are all DAO of course. Mmmm.. Again, GREAT shooting. View Quote Thank You! Yeah the lighter trigger definitely helped it out. A lot of people don't like that on their carry but I've shot enough ammo through it that I trust it. That is also about the only handgun I have shot regularly since carrying about 7-8 years ago. First was a gen3 g19 with 3.5# kit, then I tried my luck with M&P9. I couldn't get better groups than about 3-4" at 7-10 yds. Come to find out some of the early M&P9's had accuracy problems, only on the full size. You can watch my Cola Warrior videos. Every one that I shot with the M&P I left targets after going through two mags. I blamed me the first time. So I shot it a lot more and decided it was the gun. Everybody still blamed me. Sold it and got a g19 gen 4 and cleared this years targets with 11 shots. 5 8" plates at 25yds and one peep shaped 8" at 40 yds. I've been very happy with that gun and I doubt I'll have the nerve to try much else. It really is a perfect gun for me. I think I just need about 5 more. |
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Green_Canoe: I won't accept non-official targets. TrojanMan: I couldn't count 25 holes on your .22 targets and you didn't show the clean target backer. I included it anyways but you should reshoot them |
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TrojanMan: I couldn't count 25 holes on your .22 targets and you didn't show the clean target backer. I included it anyways but you should reshoot them View Quote I should reshoot them anyhow because I did a shitty job of it. I just didn't adequately prepare. I should have put a clean piece of cardboard on my carrier, I should have bought some good ammo, hell, I should have actually gotten some sleep and not had the midnight watch all week. As for the hole count, I had some touching pretty close. I thought I counted them all at the time, but do what you gotta do. It's not like it's good enough performance to be in the top tier anyhow, so it is what it is. I'll go back and do it again with a clean piece of cardboard. No promises on when. |
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Pics and measurments will be up soon for my two most recent entries. Same range as last time. I was with my brother who is an Arf member and appears too embarrassed to post his attempt using my G22. I will get a range picture he took if need be. My first entry is my limited division entry. Vostok Toz-35 with SK Jagd Standard Plus. One handed. The second entry is the one that counts and, needless to say I'm very happy with it. The first attempt wasn't bad either, and may measure within spec was just over 26 MOA- but I was disappointed with a couple of specific shots and the fact that it really seemed like I had two groups going. Mods are limited to grip shaping, which included removing wood and attaching leather to various points of the grip and palm shelf, by a previous user in Russia. 19.44 MOA. <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/mp510sd/media/P1260808_zps3bafbdeb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y432/mp510sd/P1260808_zps3bafbdeb.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/mp510sd/media/P1260799_zpsb63668f1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y432/mp510sd/P1260799_zpsb63668f1.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/mp510sd/media/P1260807_zps9c711b5a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y432/mp510sd/P1260807_zps9c711b5a.jpg</a> The second entry that I am contributing could not hold the 25 MOA standard, though it is a very good target none the less. I shot it with my just acquired Glock 27 using UMC 180 Grain FMJ. Two handed. The gun is equipped with Trijcon night sights and also had a pearce grip extension, which interestingly does not impact carryability. 32.27 MOA. <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/mp510sd/media/P1260805_zpsd33b9c8f.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y432/mp510sd/P1260805_zpsd33b9c8f.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/mp510sd/media/P1260801_zps5fabfa36.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y432/mp510sd/P1260801_zps5fabfa36.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/mp510sd/media/P1260809_zps1cc6ca3f.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y432/mp510sd/P1260809_zps1cc6ca3f.jpg</a> View Quote Very nice! Compact and sub-compact Glocks are amazing accuracy-wise, compared to many of their peers. I was never all that accurate with the G27 I used to have, but the groups I was able to shoot with my G26 and G19 were far better than most reasonable expectations. |
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well. tried it out today. only 19 out of 25 on the BIG target and that group was 17". done with my EDC Taurus PT1911 and WWB ammo. gun is a little loose and i need some practice, methinks will try again next week possibly
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Very nice! Compact and sub-compact Glocks are amazing accuracy-wise, compared to many of their peers. I was never all that accurate with the G27 I used to have, but the groups I was able to shoot with my G26 and G19 were far better than most reasonable expectations. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Pics and measurments will be up soon for my two most recent entries. Same range as last time. I was with my brother who is an Arf member and appears too embarrassed to post his attempt using my G22. I will get a range picture he took if need be. My first entry is my limited division entry. Vostok Toz-35 with SK Jagd Standard Plus. One handed. The second entry is the one that counts and, needless to say I'm very happy with it. The first attempt wasn't bad either, and may measure within spec was just over 26 MOA- but I was disappointed with a couple of specific shots and the fact that it really seemed like I had two groups going. Mods are limited to grip shaping, which included removing wood and attaching leather to various points of the grip and palm shelf, by a previous user in Russia. 19.44 MOA. <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/mp510sd/media/P1260808_zps3bafbdeb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y432/mp510sd/P1260808_zps3bafbdeb.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/mp510sd/media/P1260799_zpsb63668f1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y432/mp510sd/P1260799_zpsb63668f1.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/mp510sd/media/P1260807_zps9c711b5a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y432/mp510sd/P1260807_zps9c711b5a.jpg</a> The second entry that I am contributing could not hold the 25 MOA standard, though it is a very good target none the less. I shot it with my just acquired Glock 27 using UMC 180 Grain FMJ. Two handed. The gun is equipped with Trijcon night sights and also had a pearce grip extension, which interestingly does not impact carryability. 32.27 MOA. <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/mp510sd/media/P1260805_zpsd33b9c8f.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y432/mp510sd/P1260805_zpsd33b9c8f.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/mp510sd/media/P1260801_zps5fabfa36.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y432/mp510sd/P1260801_zps5fabfa36.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/mp510sd/media/P1260809_zps1cc6ca3f.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y432/mp510sd/P1260809_zps1cc6ca3f.jpg</a> Very nice! Compact and sub-compact Glocks are amazing accuracy-wise, compared to many of their peers. I was never all that accurate with the G27 I used to have, but the groups I was able to shoot with my G26 and G19 were far better than most reasonable expectations. So far, I have found that I don't shoot it all that much worse than my G22- in fact in some drills (at 7-10 yards) I actually find that I shoot it better, perhaps because I'm forced to concentrate more. I mentioned that my brother refuses to post his 25 MOA all day challenge target that he shot with my G22- which by all accounts is bad. After that target, I let him try both using larger B-27 targets. Shooting 5 round strings, he was much more consistent with the 27. |
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I shot my Glock 17 today at 25 yards using the 12" grid target I normally use.
I got almost all my shots in the 8" ring in the center and left of it (7.375" OTO)... but I pulled 1 shot and it was way outside the 12" ring (~10" OTO). I'm approaching 25 Glock MOA though. |
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I shot my Glock 17 today at 25 yards using the 12" grid target I normally use. I got almost all my shots in the 8" ring in the center and left of it (7.375" OTO)... but I pulled 1 shot and it was way outside the 12" ring (~10" OTO). I'm approaching 25 Glock MOA though. View Quote You'll get there. Glocks are definitely capable of better than 20 MOA, on average. A few people in this thread have clearly proven such- but I'm sure you already noticed that. Mastering that unusual trigger squeeze is the key, in my experience. |
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You'll get there. Glocks are definitely capable of better than 20 MOA, on average. A few people in this thread have clearly proven such- but I'm sure you already noticed that. Mastering that unusual trigger squeeze is the key, in my experience. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I shot my Glock 17 today at 25 yards using the 12" grid target I normally use. I got almost all my shots in the 8" ring in the center and left of it (7.375" OTO)... but I pulled 1 shot and it was way outside the 12" ring (~10" OTO). I'm approaching 25 Glock MOA though. You'll get there. Glocks are definitely capable of better than 20 MOA, on average. A few people in this thread have clearly proven such- but I'm sure you already noticed that. Mastering that unusual trigger squeeze is the key, in my experience. Trigger parts help too. |
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I shot my Glock 17 today at 25 yards using the 12" grid target I normally use. I got almost all my shots in the 8" ring in the center and left of it (7.375" OTO)... but I pulled 1 shot and it was way outside the 12" ring (~10" OTO). I'm approaching 25 Glock MOA though. You'll get there. Glocks are definitely capable of better than 20 MOA, on average. A few people in this thread have clearly proven such- but I'm sure you already noticed that. Mastering that unusual trigger squeeze is the key, in my experience. Trigger parts help too. Some of us don't need that kind of help. |
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I got my G35 this week and shot it today. I'll have a new entry soon |
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I shot my Glock 17 today at 25 yards using the 12" grid target I normally use. I got almost all my shots in the 8" ring in the center and left of it (7.375" OTO)... but I pulled 1 shot and it was way outside the 12" ring (~10" OTO). I'm approaching 25 Glock MOA though. View Quote I've been making an effort with my 26... I can almost pull it off but there always seems to be one or two fliers. |
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Maybe I should try again, I just shot my best GSSF score with my 26.
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Finally got my 1911 RO range ready. I'll try to get out soon.
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I shot my Glock 17 today at 25 yards using the 12" grid target I normally use. I got almost all my shots in the 8" ring in the center and left of it (7.375" OTO)... but I pulled 1 shot and it was way outside the 12" ring (~10" OTO). I'm approaching 25 Glock MOA though. You'll get there. Glocks are definitely capable of better than 20 MOA, on average. A few people in this thread have clearly proven such- but I'm sure you already noticed that. Mastering that unusual trigger squeeze is the key, in my experience. Trigger parts help too. Some of us don't need that kind of help. Speak for yourself I need all the help I can get lol |
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Tried to edit my post to add the Division, User Name, etc but got error message that new accounts were limited to 2000 characters. I'll list it here.
Open - Gwelo - Tanfoglio Witness Elite Limited .45 ACP - UltraDot MatchDot II - 200 SWC hand loads - 2 handed - 4.468" CTC - 17.07 MOA |
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Long time lurker. First time poster. As noted above, the challenge showed up on Brian Enos' forum so I thought I would give it a whirl. I shot 2 groups. The first group was with my Open Division pistol. The gun is a .38SC built by Matt McLearn. I am shooting 124 MG gold bullets, Lapua Brass, Fed. SR primers, and 9.5 grains of VV 3n38 powder. The set up and distance. Camera depth of view looks shallow. The berm in the back ground is 65 yards but looks closer. Groups were shot two hands standing without support. http://www.rtconnect.net/~rankeny/75.jpg http://www.rtconnect.net/~rankeny/setup.jpg Pic of the target and gun: http://www.rtconnect.net/~rankeny/open.jpg And lastly, the group size being measured: http://www.rtconnect.net/~rankeny/open_size.jpg The flier at 11:00 kind of messd things up. If you shoot it you own it. I didn't see any point in shooting more than one group. The second effort was with my primary carry gun. The gun is a Colt .38 Super with some custom work. The pistol is now in .38 Lapua. The load was a 115 Berry over 5.0 of Tite Group. Set up and distance same as above. Pic of the target and gun: http://www.rtconnect.net/~rankeny/carry.jpg Pic of the group being measured: http://www.rtconnect.net/~rankeny/carry_size.jpg I thought I would do better with the Open gun. The flier kind of hurt. This seems like more of an endurance test than a consistency test. I have been shooting in competition since junior high school (1968). Along the way I have made Master, High Master, or Grandmaster in five handgun shooting sports. I sure wish we get some of the folks who don't compete (but post about abilities that would smoke us all like a cheap cigar), would get into competition so they could represent the country at the Olympics, IPSC World Shoot, etc. View Quote Nice first post and nice shooting. Welcome. |
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Quoted: Nice first post and nice shooting. Welcome. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Long time lurker. First time poster. As noted above, the challenge showed up on Brian Enos' forum so I thought I would give it a whirl. I shot 2 groups. The first group was with my Open Division pistol. The gun is a .38SC built by Matt McLearn. I am shooting 124 MG gold bullets, Lapua Brass, Fed. SR primers, and 9.5 grains of VV 3n38 powder. The set up and distance. Camera depth of view looks shallow. The berm in the back ground is 65 yards but looks closer. Groups were shot two hands standing without support. http://www.rtconnect.net/~rankeny/75.jpg http://www.rtconnect.net/~rankeny/setup.jpg Pic of the target and gun: http://www.rtconnect.net/~rankeny/open.jpg And lastly, the group size being measured: http://www.rtconnect.net/~rankeny/open_size.jpg The flier at 11:00 kind of messd things up. If you shoot it you own it. I didn't see any point in shooting more than one group. The second effort was with my primary carry gun. The gun is a Colt .38 Super with some custom work. The pistol is now in .38 Lapua. The load was a 115 Berry over 5.0 of Tite Group. Set up and distance same as above. Pic of the target and gun: http://www.rtconnect.net/~rankeny/carry.jpg Pic of the group being measured: http://www.rtconnect.net/~rankeny/carry_size.jpg I thought I would do better with the Open gun. The flier kind of hurt. This seems like more of an endurance test than a consistency test. I have been shooting in competition since junior high school (1968). Along the way I have made Master, High Master, or Grandmaster in five handgun shooting sports. I sure wish we get some of the folks who don't compete (but post about abilities that would smoke us all like a cheap cigar), would get into competition so they could represent the country at the Olympics, IPSC World Shoot, etc. Nice first post and nice shooting. Welcome. |
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Right click > View Image for larger image. Shot with my buddies PMR30 and was like dang this thing is very accurate. But that actually translated into it is easier for me to keep it on the bullseye. I shoot my glock better but at 25 yds. I have to hold at the bottom 1/4 of my 8" plate to hit bullseye. The PMR was right on. This is with an aim of aligning the tops of the sights to intersect with the POA. On the target I held my sights to intersect the middle just so it was an easier POA. Like I said I know to hold low with it for bullseye. Target. I stuck a little twig in the bottom because the wind was blowing. The tear at the bottom left is from my buddy snatching the target out. http://i.imgur.com/9mHe7oF.jpg Range measured with a tape http://i.imgur.com/idvIei5.jpg AAR http://i.imgur.com/Ny2qLZN.jpg The line is because I measured CTC in the field instead of OTO. So I drew a line and copied it in PS and moved it to the tape. http://i.imgur.com/AdNDCdy.jpg 6.1875 - .223 = 5.9645 5.9645 / .26175 = 22.787 MOA This is my G19 Daily carry. It has a 3.5 connector and light springs, rest is stock besides the tlr3. http://i.imgur.com/al1ZbcU.jpg http://i.imgur.com/0QMdeno.jpg http://i.imgur.com/JPuRbOr.jpg 4.250 - .355 = 3.895 3.895 / .26175 = 14.880 MOA PMR better bullseye shooter for me. G19 better group shooter for me. Maybe I'll try some different sights when I get the money. ETA ammo used was WWB for G19 not sure what was in the PMR View Quote I missed this somehow. That is absolutely phenomenal shooting with a stock G19, factory plastic sights, and WWB. I'm amazed. Wow, nice job! |
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I gave this one a try today. One bad "flyer". I was taking up slack prior to firing and Oops! Oh well! The Range <a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/gspointer/media/IMG_0317_zps73sqm9ja.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/gspointer/IMG_0317_zps73sqm9ja.jpg</a> The Target, with Ruler. (I gotta do better! My dial calipers don't go this big!) <a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/gspointer/media/IMG_0325_zpslulko5fa.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/gspointer/IMG_0325_zpslulko5fa.jpg</a> The gun. <a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/gspointer/media/IMG_0324_zpsanr21dlc.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/gspointer/IMG_0324_zpsanr21dlc.jpg</a> I used Federal in the 555 box. Coulda shoulda woulda! <a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/gspointer/media/IMG_0326_zpsj7yg2do7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/gspointer/IMG_0326_zpsj7yg2do7.jpg</a> I am going to have to do this again! I think I can beat 4-1/2" Full disclosure. I tried with my PPQ and my 5906. I was under 6-1/2 with the PPQ but 8 shots were just to the left of the target. I need to drift my sight and try it again. I had a few awful shots with the 5906 and opened up to about 9". I may clean it and try something other than WWB. I had fun. It is difficult to not screw up one time when doing this! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Bump for more participants I guess this thead died Never! I gave this one a try today. One bad "flyer". I was taking up slack prior to firing and Oops! Oh well! The Range <a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/gspointer/media/IMG_0317_zps73sqm9ja.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/gspointer/IMG_0317_zps73sqm9ja.jpg</a> The Target, with Ruler. (I gotta do better! My dial calipers don't go this big!) <a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/gspointer/media/IMG_0325_zpslulko5fa.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/gspointer/IMG_0325_zpslulko5fa.jpg</a> The gun. <a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/gspointer/media/IMG_0324_zpsanr21dlc.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/gspointer/IMG_0324_zpsanr21dlc.jpg</a> I used Federal in the 555 box. Coulda shoulda woulda! <a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/gspointer/media/IMG_0326_zpsj7yg2do7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/gspointer/IMG_0326_zpsj7yg2do7.jpg</a> I am going to have to do this again! I think I can beat 4-1/2" Full disclosure. I tried with my PPQ and my 5906. I was under 6-1/2 with the PPQ but 8 shots were just to the left of the target. I need to drift my sight and try it again. I had a few awful shots with the 5906 and opened up to about 9". I may clean it and try something other than WWB. I had fun. It is difficult to not screw up one time when doing this! Oh, I got 6.59" with the .22 |
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Bump, in hopes I will finally be able to add to this thread this weekend.
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Yeah, there's only been a few qualifying entries since August. It'd be nice to get the list updated again, though.
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I'm warmin up fellas! 2 handed, irons... I see I have much more practice to do...but settled into my stance a bit today....I've done the 25 yard target thing around ten times now. Cant wait to see if groups tighten up at 50 times or 100. getting contact lenses and match ammo monday too! I like what the S&W 17 did for me today with Thunderbolt... 7" 1/16 or thereabouts. Everything else was 8 3/4, 8 1/8, 8 1/4, 8 3/4... pistols: 22/45, buckmark, 22s, and single six it was gusty up to 10kts. https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t31.0-8/10553663_10205081316605105_4742676318138354201_o.jpg My buckmark rifle came in at 5 5/8... View Quote Hope the new peepers and ammo help you out some Bounce. |
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