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Posted: 12/4/2014 9:58:14 PM EDT
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If your goal is the constructors title, which is just that for every team - you use the 'old farts'. If you're Honda you also want to strike while Renault and Ferrari are on the backfoot with development 'tokens' so you're not in a four way battle.
MAG may be a future driver, but he didn't bring home points when it mattered. Button Does. Whomever is signed shouldn't be signed for an extended contract - one and done. Make way for the next generation. |
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Posted: 12/5/2014 9:49:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If your goal is the constructors title, which is just that for every team - you use the 'old farts'. If you're Honda you also want to strike while Renault and Ferrari are on the backfoot with development 'tokens' so you're not in a four way battle. MAG may be a future driver, but he didn't bring home points when it mattered. Button Does. Whomever is signed shouldn't be signed for an extended contract - one and done. Make way for the next generation. In all honesty, I think Mclaren would have been better off sticking with JB and Kmag.. Spending the money to get Alonso seems like a waste, but it also keeps him away from other teams like Williams and RBR, which will be their main competitors next year. |
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Posted: 12/5/2014 1:19:50 PM EDT
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In all honesty, I think Mclaren would have been better off sticking with JB and Kmag.. Spending the money to get Alonso seems like a waste, but it also keeps him away from other teams like Williams and RBR, which will be their main competitors next year. solid truth in this - however with Prodromou onboard and a works Honda engine, RD / McLaren only needed a "super star" Driver to extinguish the last excuse for not winning a Manufacturer crown again. They have the components in place, time will tell if they mesh properly. |
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Posted: 12/5/2014 9:29:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: solid truth in this - however with Prodromou onboard and a works Honda engine, RD / McLaren only needed a "super star" Driver to extinguish the last excuse for not winning a Manufacturer crown again. They have the components in place, time will tell if they mesh properly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In all honesty, I think Mclaren would have been better off sticking with JB and Kmag.. Spending the money to get Alonso seems like a waste, but it also keeps him away from other teams like Williams and RBR, which will be their main competitors next year. solid truth in this - however with Prodromou onboard and a works Honda engine, RD / McLaren only needed a "super star" Driver to extinguish the last excuse for not winning a Manufacturer crown again. They have the components in place, time will tell if they mesh properly. RD and Fernando meshed SO well that last time they worked together. Alonso got bounced out on his ass... Mclaren ended up with a constructors ban AND they managed to gift a drivers championship to Ferrari even though it was clear that Mclaren had a better car that year. I wonder if they will be able to top that season.  Hell, next season will be great just hearing what those two say about each other.. RD is a stone cold asshole, and Fernando is a great driver but he has issues with keeping his mouth shut if things go just a little bit sideways of what he expects. |
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Posted: 12/5/2014 9:36:11 PM EDT
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RD and Fernando meshed SO well that last time they worked together. Alonso got bounced out on his ass... Mclaren ended up with a constructors ban. I wonder if they will be able to top that season.
Hell, next season will be great just hearing what those two say about each other.. RD is a stone cold asshole, and Fernando is a great driver but he has issues with keeping his mouth shut if things go just a little bit sideways of what he expects. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In all honesty, I think Mclaren would have been better off sticking with JB and Kmag.. Spending the money to get Alonso seems like a waste, but it also keeps him away from other teams like Williams and RBR, which will be their main competitors next year. solid truth in this - however with Prodromou onboard and a works Honda engine, RD / McLaren only needed a "super star" Driver to extinguish the last excuse for not winning a Manufacturer crown again. They have the components in place, time will tell if they mesh properly.
Hell, next season will be great just hearing what those two say about each other.. RD is a stone cold asshole, and Fernando is a great driver but he has issues with keeping his mouth shut if things go just a little bit sideways of what he expects. A couple of folks are floating the idea that if Ron gains control, Alonso might be SOL for 2015. |
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Posted: 12/5/2014 11:12:00 PM EDT
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100 L O N G days until Australia.
99 until McLaren announces a driver. |
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Posted: 12/5/2014 11:34:10 PM EDT
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100 L O N G days until Australia. 99 until McLaren announces a driver. How many until crazy ole uncle Bernie retires? |
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Posted: 12/5/2014 11:44:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A couple of folks are floating the idea that if Ron gains control, Alonso might be SOL for 2015. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In all honesty, I think Mclaren would have been better off sticking with JB and Kmag.. Spending the money to get Alonso seems like a waste, but it also keeps him away from other teams like Williams and RBR, which will be their main competitors next year. solid truth in this - however with Prodromou onboard and a works Honda engine, RD / McLaren only needed a "super star" Driver to extinguish the last excuse for not winning a Manufacturer crown again. They have the components in place, time will tell if they mesh properly. Hell, next season will be great just hearing what those two say about each other.. RD is a stone cold asshole, and Fernando is a great driver but he has issues with keeping his mouth shut if things go just a little bit sideways of what he expects. A couple of folks are floating the idea that if Ron gains control, Alonso might be SOL for 2015. McLaren isn't paying for Alonso, Honda is and they have the money. |
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Posted: 12/5/2014 11:57:27 PM EDT
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McLaren isn't paying for Alonso, Honda is and they have the money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In all honesty, I think Mclaren would have been better off sticking with JB and Kmag.. Spending the money to get Alonso seems like a waste, but it also keeps him away from other teams like Williams and RBR, which will be their main competitors next year. solid truth in this - however with Prodromou onboard and a works Honda engine, RD / McLaren only needed a "super star" Driver to extinguish the last excuse for not winning a Manufacturer crown again. They have the components in place, time will tell if they mesh properly.
Hell, next season will be great just hearing what those two say about each other.. RD is a stone cold asshole, and Fernando is a great driver but he has issues with keeping his mouth shut if things go just a little bit sideways of what he expects. A couple of folks are floating the idea that if Ron gains control, Alonso might be SOL for 2015. McLaren isn't paying for Alonso, Honda is and they have the money. I agree that Honda wants Alonso and are probably willing to foot the bill, but.. 
Maybe they are fighting over the second driver or maybe just Fernando, but there is a power struggle holding up the announcement. |
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Posted: 12/6/2014 12:06:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 100 L O N G days until Australia. 99 until McLaren announces a driver. |
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Posted: 12/6/2014 12:25:18 AM EDT
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So is the worst season of Formula boring over yet? Who won? Please tell me it was not the A O Hamilton.
If they do the turbo BS again next year I hope they can dubb in some real F-1 sound |
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Posted: 12/6/2014 12:58:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So is the worst season of Formula boring over yet? Who won? Please tell me it was not the A O Hamilton. If they do the turbo BS again next year I hope they can dubb in some real F-1 sound  In other news, since you've been under a rock, next year looks like it might be interesting. |
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Posted: 12/6/2014 8:36:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/6/2014 10:21:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryFerrari's going to get them one way or another
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Posted: 12/6/2014 6:35:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThing is they had night "guards" So what did they do, yell at them and say "hey don't take that!" Then again this is in europe where the criminals have more right than the free sheeple 
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Posted: 12/6/2014 7:16:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat pic shows the main case, but they had the really nice stuff in an even more  location.
The below vid came out a few months ago and shows everything. Hell, might have been the catalyst for the theft. (my first thought when seeing it was the relatively insecure location of the trophies) ETA: The intro shows Horner driving his car right up to the building. Skip to 4:20 for the trophies.
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Posted: 12/6/2014 11:41:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote Historymany of the trophies on display were replicas. I hope this is true |
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Posted: 12/7/2014 2:35:33 AM EDT
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many of the trophies on display were replicas. I hope this is true Even if they were real, it would be akin to stealing a Monet and then trying to sell it. The people who did the robbery either plan on keeping the trophies or threatening to damage/destroy them if Red Bull doesn't pay out some money. |
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Posted: 12/7/2014 2:51:25 AM EDT
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Even if they were real, it would be akin to stealing a Monet and then trying to sell it. The people who did the robbery either plan on keeping the trophies or threatening to damage/destroy them if Red Bull doesn't pay out some money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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many of the trophies on display were replicas. I hope this is true Even if they were real, it would be akin to stealing a Monet and then trying to sell it. The people who did the robbery either plan on keeping the trophies or threatening to damage/destroy them if Red Bull doesn't pay out some money. But just like stolen art you know there's a black market for this stuff...or just some really dumb criminals. I legitimately wonder if the Pink Panthers, a European crime gang, are involved. Check out the Pink Panthers here. |
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Posted: 12/9/2014 10:00:05 AM EDT
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Just waiting for a McLaren decision...
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Posted: 12/10/2014 11:23:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/10/2014 12:28:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/10/2014 7:42:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/10/2014 8:12:14 PM EDT
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I sure hope the hell so Quote HistoryI have now read stories confirming, yes, CONFIRMING Magnussen at McLaren in 2015. I have also read that Jenson has ABSOLUTELY 100% locked in his contract with McLaren for 2015. It makes me almost hope that it's not a driver announcement just to mess with the media. |
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Posted: 12/11/2014 3:09:01 AM EDT
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I have now read stories confirming, yes, CONFIRMING Magnussen at McLaren in 2015. I have also read that Jenson has ABSOLUTELY 100% locked in his contract with McLaren for 2015. It makes me almost hope that it's not a driver announcement just to mess with the media. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I have now read stories confirming, yes, CONFIRMING Magnussen at McLaren in 2015. I have also read that Jenson has ABSOLUTELY 100% locked in his contract with McLaren for 2015. It makes me almost hope that it's not a driver announcement just to mess with the media. The British media is making this more than it is. I don't have any insider information, but I watch the season, and it's clear that Magnussen deserves to be there next year. It would be a damn shame if he weren't. It looks like JEV is going to be in Indycar next year, so I'll have someone else to root for after RHR. |
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Posted: 12/11/2014 4:11:32 AM EDT
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I have now read stories confirming, yes, CONFIRMING Magnussen at McLaren in 2015. I have also read that Jenson has ABSOLUTELY 100% locked in his contract with McLaren for 2015. It makes me almost hope that it's not a driver announcement just to mess with the media. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I have now read stories confirming, yes, CONFIRMING Magnussen at McLaren in 2015. I have also read that Jenson has ABSOLUTELY 100% locked in his contract with McLaren for 2015. It makes me almost hope that it's not a driver announcement just to mess with the media. Button has signed for McLaren for 2015 and the press conference will be later today |
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Posted: 12/11/2014 7:44:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/11/2014 8:36:52 AM EDT
[#28]
Congrats Plumber--you got your guy back!
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Posted: 12/11/2014 9:57:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Alonso and button confirmed as drivers at Mclaren for 2015. Mag test driver/reserve driver here |
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Posted: 12/11/2014 10:05:38 AM EDT
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Goes to show what I know, I think it's a damn shame that Magnussen lost his ride after a season like that though.
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Posted: 12/11/2014 10:09:32 AM EDT
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True mag was a great driver for a rookie but having two world champs driving new Honda engines and then having a great rookie reserve driver as backup seems to make a lot of sense
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Posted: 12/11/2014 10:14:59 AM EDT
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True mag was a great driver for a rookie but having two world champs driving new Honda engines and then having a great rookie reserve driver as backup seems to make a lot of sense Exactly--plus mag was a little rough on the cars. |
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Posted: 12/11/2014 10:18:47 AM EDT
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Alonso and button confirmed as drivers at Mclaren for 2015. Mag test driver/reserve driver here 
The smartest decision they could have made IMO |
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Posted: 12/11/2014 10:33:08 AM EDT
[#34]
I'mm happy with their choice
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Posted: 12/11/2014 1:49:34 PM EDT
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Glad we got that out of the way. Now... I'm just hoping that SOMEONE can figure-out a way to at least make it a bit more interesting for Merc next season. I don't care who does it... maybe Ricciardo and RBR can ratchet their game up a hair or something.
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Posted: 12/11/2014 2:57:55 PM EDT
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Awkward...
I have to say I'm happy JB keeps his seat and it sounds like a multi-year deal. PLEASE don't think I dislike Magnussen. I think he's a GREAT driver and would love to see him in a McLaren again. If they go to 3 cars ever I hope he's immediately in. In the meantime, maybe he can race LeMans with his dad and Corvette Racing? That'd be badass. I'm just happy this announcement is over. |
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Posted: 12/11/2014 8:33:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Awkward... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4kile9IIAAusk1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/aM6XFwh.jpg  http://youtu.be/reYIHufWjJY http://youtu.be/y9_oSyg0siYhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4kiljaIYAA_E88.jpg I have to say I'm happy JB keeps his seat and it sounds like a multi-year deal. PLEASE don't think I dislike Magnussen. I think he's a GREAT driver and would love to see him in a McLaren again. If they go to 3 cars ever I hope he's immediately in. In the meantime, maybe he can race LeMans with his dad and Corvette Racing? That'd be badass. I'm just happy this announcement is over. I think he's going to be looking for a Merc powerplant, and only the works team could afford him... Maybe Nico gets pissed off and leaves next year, and Lewis and 'nando are partners again? I don't think even Merc is that stupid. Final note, Anyone know if Alonso's Santander backing followed him to Mclaren? |
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Posted: 12/12/2014 7:31:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/12/2014 7:49:04 AM EDT
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That pic shows the main case, but they had the really nice stuff in an even more location.
The below vid came out a few months ago and shows everything. Hell, might have been the catalyst for the theft. (my first thought when seeing it was the relatively insecure location of the trophies) ETA: The intro shows Horner driving his car right up to the building. Skip to 4:20 for the trophies. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNuQMmnTpoo
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That pic shows the main case, but they had the really nice stuff in an even more location.
The below vid came out a few months ago and shows everything. Hell, might have been the catalyst for the theft. (my first thought when seeing it was the relatively insecure location of the trophies) ETA: The intro shows Horner driving his car right up to the building. Skip to 4:20 for the trophies. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNuQMmnTpoo
I like Newey's filing system and the stormtrooper helmet.
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Posted: 12/12/2014 7:53:50 AM EDT
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Alonso and button confirmed as drivers at Mclaren for 2015. Mag test driver/reserve driver here Wow, McLaren is rolling deep. |
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Posted: 12/12/2014 7:55:33 AM EDT
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Is he driving the F2013? Quote History2012 car. |
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Posted: 12/12/2014 11:00:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/12/2014 2:55:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's all well and good, but until they dump the fuel restrictions, the engines are still going to be neutered. |
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Posted: 12/12/2014 5:08:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's all well and good, but until they dump the fuel restrictions, the engines are still going to be neutered. Quote HistoryQuoted: That's all well and good, but until they dump the fuel restrictions, the engines are still going to be neutered. but the fact that there is now an active movement for it is a start.. hopefully they still need to allow the manufacturers to decide what engine, induction, etc they want. above all i want open rules and cost caps. |
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Posted: 12/12/2014 5:09:22 PM EDT
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cost caps. How in the world would you ever enforce something like that? |
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Posted: 12/12/2014 5:22:35 PM EDT
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How in the world would you ever enforce something like that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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cost caps. How in the world would you ever enforce something like that? You can't. Well....technically you could. But the money, manpower and legal requirements are pretty unrealistic. |
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Posted: 12/12/2014 5:27:19 PM EDT
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You can't. Well....technically you could. But the money, manpower and legal requirements are pretty unrealistic. Agreed. Especially when you think about "works" teams.... that literally have millions of dollars of car/engine expertise and testing facilities available to them for free. Capping costs just isn't feasible. More equitable sharing of revenue among the teams is the only way you're going to have anything even approaching equipment parity. |
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Posted: 12/12/2014 9:09:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. Especially when you think about "works" teams.... that literally have millions of dollars of car/engine expertise and testing facilities available to them for free. Capping costs just isn't feasible. More equitable sharing of revenue among the teams is the only way you're going to have anything even approaching equipment parity. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You can't. Well....technically you could. But the money, manpower and legal requirements are pretty unrealistic. Agreed. Especially when you think about "works" teams.... that literally have millions of dollars of car/engine expertise and testing facilities available to them for free. Capping costs just isn't feasible. More equitable sharing of revenue among the teams is the only way you're going to have anything even approaching equipment parity. |
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Posted: 12/12/2014 10:14:04 PM EDT
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sure it is. would just take a team of accountants and weekly expense reports that ALL team activities must be on.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can't. Well....technically you could. But the money, manpower and legal requirements are pretty unrealistic. Agreed. Especially when you think about "works" teams.... that literally have millions of dollars of car/engine expertise and testing facilities available to them for free. Capping costs just isn't feasible. More equitable sharing of revenue among the teams is the only way you're going to have anything even approaching equipment parity. It's too easy to hide stuff (particularly on the contracting side) using just an expense report. It would require accountants watching each team and all of their suppliers and contractors. Those accountants would require full access to the books of dozens, possible hundreds of different private companies. They would also need to determine who actually owned those companies. Add on top of all of that, they would also be dealing with different accounting and banking rules for different countries. It would end up requiring a FBI grade investigation (with FBI grade access) to monitor each team.......and they still wouldn't be able to find everything. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 7:34:23 AM EDT
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