I saw their promo for their show on Remington, and they are making it sound like Remington is disregarding some safety issue of 700 for (naturally) profit, with some fudds thrown in.  I have a feeling they are scraping bottom for new shows and is resorting to sensationalism.  Really disappointing.



Less this







and more of this







please.

If you can locate some video, I would love to see it!

Wasn't that something that happened years ago with the 700?

The show premiers Oct. 20.



 

Yes.  The following allegations have been made.  I don't know whether there is anything to it.

Doubletap
 

the "problem" was gasp! you have to take the rifle off safe to unload it

then throw in age and some "custom" triggers jobs  you get some ADs here and there
 

There allegedly is a problem with the fire control system. Here's a link to a lawsuit history. http://www.drinnonlaw.com/Texas-Defective-Remington700.php

I remember hearing a warning about it a couple of years ago. Supposedly the rifle can discharge sometimes when moving the safety lever from safe to fire. I have a friends 700 PSS in my safe as a favor to him. I can shoot it whenever I want. Every time I slide safety to fire, I'm always prepared for it to accidentally discharge. It hasn't happened yet though.

Please send me your defective Remington 700's for proper disposal.

Sounds to me like if you keep your rifle properly cleaned and maintained it's not so much of a problem.  Did I read that wrong?
-K



 

WAT?

How can a spent casing fire?

wait what?

that also made me  





 

They'd never "just go off" if no one ever touched them.



 

Didn't make too much sense to me, either.





 

CNBC or anything with NBC or CBS or ABC or MS or Public _______  has the effective intellectual capacity of a turnip and is the moral equivalent of HIV.  

Expect them to get everything wrong.  Everything.  

This is the culture that brought the world heroin-chic and the Voluntary Human Extinction Project.

I worked with a gunsmith around '96 or so, not long after Remington had released the .260 in the Model 7.  One of the issues with the rifles at the time was the twist rate wasn't fast enough to stabilize the longer/ heavier bullets (140gr), which was supposedley resulting in keyholing.  Well, sure enough, we had one come in with that complaint.  It was my first experience with the .260, so I wanted to see how much recoil the gun had.  So, I took it in our indoor range, loaded one in the chamber, and closed the bolt.  I flipped the safety off "SAFE" to "FIRE", and was immediately met with a "BOOM!!!".  The gun was at about a 30* angle pointed downrange when it went off, and the bullet went through the ceiling.  It scared the sheeeit out of me!

We immediately boxed the gun up, attached a note, and sent it directly to Remington.  I have owned countless Model 7s, 700s, 78s, etc over the years, and that is the only one I've ever had go off while manipulating the safety.

Well shit, my Winchester 75 does the same thing.

Did you pull the trigger just prior to flipping the rifle off safe?



 

No, what would the purpose be of pulling the trigger prior to taking it off "SAFE"??

I have 4 remington model 700's and they all work just fine and they are all perfectly safe and accurate. I already own 4 and i would have no trouble owning a fifth one. As far as this story is concerned, CNBS and MSLSD can go pound sand for all I care. Really, how seriously can I take a news organization whose "stars" include Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann and Jim Cramer? Rick Santelli is the only one on there that I would listen to on a regular basis. Dylan Ratigan is okay, too. As for the rest of them? Fah-git-about-it!

yeh, I seem to recall a story years ago (15-20) where someone was sueing Remington for their defective safeties.  If I recall correctly, the dumbfuck had a 700 with a cartridge in the chamber and had it pointed at son/relative/friend, and flicked on the safety and the gun went off and killed the dude.  So now said dumbfuck says that is Remington's fault.

IIRC

You lost me at Maria Bartiromo.

OK.  I went back and re-read your post.

I thought it was the OLD trigger that locked the bolt that was a problem. I have one of these old triggers, and I have yet to have it discharge when disengaging the safety, but I am prepared for it to happen any time.

I will gladly accept all Remington 700 rifles anyone may have for proper disposal. luckily both of mine where lost at sea.

I don't care for Remington triggers, safetys or (while I'm at it) extractors.



The safety is only a trigger blocking safety. If the sear engagement has been monkeyed with and the safety is the least bit sloppy, it can create a dangerous situation.



I don't know what they're talking about with the "trigger connector". I think they mean the sear.



Bottom line is, don't adjust your trigger if you don't know what you're doing. Don't let gunk build up in a precision mechanism. Follow the four rules of gun handling and there won't be a problem.



I'll take the Winchester style trigger/sear/safety, thanks. Still not idiot proof, though.

I used two of Remington's defective rifles.

The first one I bought brand new. It was a Rem 700 in .308 that I bought to take out of state on a deer hunting trip. While sighting it in & trying different ammos for accuracy I had problems. It would shoot when moving the safety from fire to safe. I kept thinking it was my fault - maybe I acidently touched the trigger while moving the safety or something. I wouldn't believe the it was malfunctioning, it was brand new after all. Finally, I put it on safe & stood up from the bench & it went off by itself without me even touching it. I took it back to the dealer who traded it out for a browning to save me from the hassle of fighting with remington over it - I was leaving to hunt the next week & couldn't afford another new gun.

The second rifle was another Rem 700 I borowed on a hunting trip with some friends. We went out to eat, then decided to go hunting without going back to the hotel where my gun was. A friend let me borrow his 30-06, 700. While cycling it & dry firing it to get the feel of the trigger, it dry fired by itself just like my own had.

I couldn't believe it happened to me with two different 700's. About 6 months to a year later one of the national news stations ran a piece on all of the people who had been shot with a defective rem 700. Remington denied any responsibility. I haven't had much respect for Rem since & have steered away from their guns (I do have an old 870, though)

If it were a legitimate problem it would have been beat to death in GD.  Kind of like the Glock boomers.

Yeah, ARFCOM GD.

I donot come here for logic.

Seems to me there may be some truth to the this when two posters have personal accounts of Rem 700s fire when switching from safe to fire.

The end of the clip with the police officer just touching the bolt and it going off looks pretty bad


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2oZtWRyDu8

Parent network: NBC

Remember the saddle gas tanks Dateline NBC was just sure they were a hazard? The ones that never ignited no matter how hard they tried...until they used model rocket motors to ignite the fuel?  

That NBC/CNBC?

These are just more lies from a souce that is utterly lacking in credibility.

Definition of PRONE
1: having a tendency or inclination : being likely <prone to forget names> <accident-prone> (from: Webster)

Definition of LIKELY
1: having a high probability of occurring or being true : very probable <rain is likely today> (same source as above)

Here is a link to a great explination of what is going on in the trigger.  http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9411043/m/8561091241

It is a long read but details very well what happens.  Not all 700s will do this but some do.

Some people tinkering with their trigger and not knowing what the world they are doing. Sure fire way to tell is to cock the rifle, put "On Safe", pull trigger, then just flip the safety off, if it fires, most likely someone has tried to "Lighten" their trigger pull and doesn't know what the hell they are doing.

May not be what is going on in this instance. But sure sounds the same.

Sort of a confusing situation like this classic claim.

I think I remember one of those murder mystery shows where a guy's wife got shot in the back, by him, and killed while they were hunting. IIRC, they determined that what he said about his rifle discharging either when or after dropped was the cause. Poor guy.
My custom Remington 600 scout rifle is carried with empty chamber for that reason. My Steyr, OTOH, I'll carry on double-lock safe...

Had a Rem 700 about ten years ago. Round in the chamber , scope cross hairs on target, finger off trigger, flipped the safety from safe to fire...."boom". The trigger was not modified , or adjusted in any way.

There is a grain of truth to these assertions, but it is NOT a common occurrence, or even a rare one, and not even 1% ('cause if it were, I would have noticed...I've fired a model 700 more than any other long arm I've ever owned.). I haven't seen the show, or even the ad, but I'd bet the "issue" revolves around how the Remington Model 600/700's safety works.

Remington 600/700 Series actions hold the striker in the cocked position using the sear, and the safety of the stock trigger holds the sear in place (as do many aftermarket triggers). The stock sear engagement specification on the Remington 700 is less than 0.015", and the sear is only about 1/8" wide. That's a fair amount of pressure on a fairly small area, but nowhere near the limits of the metal (For example: a typical screw puts far more pressure on it's threads than does a Remington 700 it's sear). The sear and cocking piece have angled faces: the sear is angled up toward the muzzle, and the cocking piece is angles down towards the butt, so when the cocking piece butts against it, pressure is exerted forward (toward the muzzle) and down on the sear, and the cocking piece is pushed up and towards the butt. Since this is a bolt action, all this happens fairly slowly: as the bolt is closed, the cocked striker is allowed to move forward against the sear, where it is captured by the sear. The stock Remington 700 Trigger, when released, allows the sear to actually rotate down out of the way of the cocking piece (kind of like a kid sitting on a one-sided teeter-totter, with a block of wood holding up the end, when the "block" of wood is kicked out from under it, the kid can tilt down).

Nearly every manual for both stock and aftermarket Remington triggers has a disclaimer cautioning that the rifle's trigger should be tested for reliability using the "jarring test". The "jarring test" is nothing more than an abuse test to make sure the striker will not jump the sear when the bolt is being operated very fast and vigorously. Rifles with excessively loose bolt-to-receiver fit can give a gunsmith trouble with trigger consistency (the bolt can rock up and down slightly at the rear from shot-to-shot while in battery, particularly if headspace is on the loose side). Extra-power firing pin springs could possibly exacerbate this problem as well.        

This is why so many people like the Mauser and Winchester Model 70 Safeties: this type of safety, which is on the bolt, locks the striker back using a cam, and does not rely on the sear at all to safe the rifle. With the Model 70 Three-position safety, it is possible to load and unload the rifle in complete safety without relying on the sear as a lockout mechanism. Which is why there are a couple of aftermarket Winchester Model 70-style safeties offered for Remingtons.

For the record, I have Jewell Triggers and Precise Metal Smithing safeties on both of my Model 700s, but not because I think the Remington system is unsafe, but that I don't like how the Jewell Trigger safety looks.

hard to tell but this could be a hang fire too (this is not the safety problem reported earlier). Remember the 4 rules and there will be no problems. If there is a problem I hope Remington steps up.



 

This is a problem if you adjust the trigger below 1.5 pounds on a factory trigger.. Not every factory trigger but a lot of them.. I have seen this on more then one rifle.. but it's not a fault of Remington's it's the do it your self gunsmith... I have a Got jug with a 17 cal hole in it from a trigger job my best friend did to his 700 BDL...

The issues is, however, that this has occurred on rifles where the trigger was not adjusted or tweaked in any way.

What! No Erin Burnett yet?

I don't know why I would be pulling the trigger with the safety off, but what happens when you are walking through the woods and a get the trigger caught on a tree branch with the safety on?

That's the scenario that would cause me concern, or hunting with a novice who does not practice trigger discipline who sits in a tree stand with the safety on and assumes that the gun is safe puts his finger on the trigger and sends a round down range? I know you all experienced hunters will talk about not touching the trigger until you are aiming at something but we all have to start somewhere and new guys hunting like myself forget sometimes that could lead to disaster.

I have 5 Remington 700 rifles.  Two of them have Jewell triggers with no safety.  If I had the money, all would have Jewell triggers and only my Deer rifle would have a safety.  Don't need no safety on a prairie dog rifle or a bench rifle.

I had a 243 Remington that I picked up at a gun show.  It would sometimes fire when the safety was moved from safe to fire.  The correction was to PROPERLY adjust the trigger.

Rule no.2 here was a big player in the original lawsuit against Remington.

Old history....but a family was out hunting years back...mom walks back to the RV camper with her loaded M700 rifle. procedes to unload the rifle....and blows a hole in the RV...and her 13 or 14 year old son on the other side of the camper too.

Seems the rifle fired as soon as she put the rifle off safe. Remington examined the rifle...and found it had been rusty underneath the stock...damaging the trigger/safety mechanism. Mom failed to keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction...the rifle was mechanicaly damaged by corrosion internaly....just a big sad story.

Remington changed the safety to where it doesn't prevent the bolt from opening when on safe....like years back. A Remington 700ADL I bought in 1999 already had the newer safty. The whole deal is really old history....about like Pinto's blowing up in rear end collisions...

I own bullet holes in the floor board of TWO friends pickups, one from closing the bolt, and one from opening the bolt of my UNMODIFIED, FACTORY Remington Model 600 .308. In both cases I had one hand on the forearm and one on the bolt. The rifles in question are pre 1979 with a safety that must be OFF to cycle the bolt. I took years of abuse from my buddies for my sloppy gun handling before finally finding This  safety recall from Remington. Partial vindication(it's not a good idea to load in the truck!), at least it wasn't me that made the gun go off. At the time it occured(20+ years ago), I took the rifle to everyone that would look at it and no one could duplicate it or explain it. No local gunsmith or shop was aware of a recall. We finally blamed the first one on a poorly resized reload with a high primer( it was tight) until the second occured. Here's a link to Remingtons Safety modification page, which includes the 700 and lists which ones are dangerous.
   Despite the fact it hasn't happened to you, and is exceedingly rare, the problem is real and Remington will fix it for free. Owners should take a moment to check out their rifles.

My truck...and my ears are both glad you ain't my hunting buddy with a rifle like that!!!......just sayin'....

My ears are still  ringing.....one of them was a 1964 Chevrolet with the thick hard vinyl floor covering that was brittle from age, the muzzle blast made about a ten inch vacancy in the floor covering, which shattered into hundreds of fragments, all of which seemed to hit me in the face strong enough to blow my hat off and leave hundreds of tiny cuts. My friend just kept driving into the woods, looked over and said" whuud you do that for?"

The other was a later model Nissan, I was actually standing outside the truck in the dark after a hunt and rested the muzzle on the floor in the light so I could see to catch the rounds as I unloaded the rifle. That one took out a fuel line that we had to splice with some vacum hose to get home....

The unpossible is real!

I only load outside the truck now.