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Posted: 7/29/2015 9:50:34 AM EDT
http://www.forbes.com/sites/henrymiller/2015/07/29/why-organic-agriculture-is-a-colossal-hoax/
Organic agriculture is an unscientific, heavily subsidized marketing gimmick that misleads and rips off consumers. The federal government should stop promoting and subsidizing it. Consumers of organic foods are getting both more and less than they bargained for. On both counts, it’s not good. Many people who pay the huge premium—often more than a hundred percent–for organic foods do so because they’re afraid of pesticides. If that’s their rationale, they misunderstand the nuances of organic agriculture. Although it’s true that synthetic chemical pesticides are generally prohibited, there is a lengthy list of exceptions listed in the Organic Foods Production Act, while most “natural” ones are permitted. However, “organic” pesticides can be toxic. As evolutionary biologist Christie Wilcox explained in a 2012 Scientific American article (“Are lower pesticide residues a good reason to buy organic? Probably not.”): “Organic pesticides pose the same health risks as non-organic ones.”... View Quote Heh. |
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Same nonsense goes for the "free range chicken" that suckers are paying a premium for.
The chickens are raised in mega chicken coops like all the rest, but they have an exit door that leads to a small outdoor area that the chickens can "choose" to walk around in which few ever do. |
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For me personally, the key is "the fewer the better" when it comes to something that is designed to kill something else (bugs, parasites, etc).
I tend to buy things based on the Dirty Dozen and the Clean 15 lists. On the dirty dozen, the fewest amount of pesticides found was 46 in each of the cases. As far as the clean 15, buying the non organic versions of them is fine as there were trace pesticides found on even the non organic versions. |
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This chick I know on FB who has a roadside produce stand when asked about organic produce, shows pics of the side by side comparison. She said no one would buy the organic stuff from her.
It didn't look bad, but the other stuff look great in comparison. I couldn't tell if they were her pics of not, but I figured she knew more about it than me. |
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Reminds me of someone I know. Self-made millionaire. Technical genius. Graduate school education. Buys the organic thing hook, line, and sinker.
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Endless babes in yoga pants you say?
Shit, I'll have to go shop there |
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You mean it's not all this?? http://i.imgur.com/sAU54mE.jpg I also don't care for steaks sold as 'grass fed'. Something 'off' about them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Same nonsense goes for the "free range chicken" that suckers are paying a premium for. The chickens are raised in mega chicken coops like all the rest, but they have an exit door that leads to a small outdoor area that the chickens can "choose" to walk around in which few ever do. You mean it's not all this?? http://i.imgur.com/sAU54mE.jpg I also don't care for steaks sold as 'grass fed'. Something 'off' about them. Some of them are. |
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Same nonsense goes for the "free range chicken" that suckers are paying a premium for. The chickens are raised in mega chicken coops like all the rest, but they have an exit door that leads to a small outdoor area that the chickens can "choose" to walk around in which few ever do. View Quote do you know how I know you don't know shit about chickens? |
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do you know how I know you don't know shit about chickens? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Same nonsense goes for the "free range chicken" that suckers are paying a premium for. The chickens are raised in mega chicken coops like all the rest, but they have an exit door that leads to a small outdoor area that the chickens can "choose" to walk around in which few ever do. do you know how I know you don't know shit about chickens? Hes probably talking about those fatty meat birds. I don't remember what they're called, but after a few weeks they park their ass next to the feeder for the rest of their short life. |
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Same nonsense goes for the "free range chicken" that suckers are paying a premium for. The chickens are raised in mega chicken coops like all the rest, but they have an exit door that leads to a small outdoor area that the chickens can "choose" to walk around in which few ever do. do you know how I know you don't know shit about chickens? Give a cornish cross the chance to feed on grain or forage. Let me know what it does... |
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Ypu. Organic food is a scam. American people fall for this stupid bullshit all the time. It's a myth, just like "Oh well the reason the pharmaceuticals don't cure cancer is because they wont have a way to make money anymore!" or "vaccinations of children cause autism!" or that nuclear power is more unsafe than Coal, solar and wind.
People getting rich off of the stupidity of Americans. |
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I only eat organic chicken breast and grass fed beef because i read that the hormones in regular meat will make me grow tits brah
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lol, anyone that just blindly trusts/assumes that some .gov labeling program has their best interest in mind is stupid.
Ultimately, it's up to the consumer to be responsible for what they put in their body. I love seeing carts at the grocery store filled with all organic produce, but also loaded down with junk like wheat bread and other "heart healthy" garbage. Sheeple. Do your own research, find local and responsible sources for stuff. Yeah it's way more effort and probably more expensive and you will be limited in what you can find -- but not getting the beetus or cancer from eating shitty fucking food is worth it. |
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its really about the soil, and whether or not micronutrients and major nutrients are present and available to the plant. i don't see the quality of nutrition that plants grown on sand or depleted soils is comparable to plants grown on fertile soils. it sounds silly, but the tongue has taste buds that detect different compounds and elements. most veggies in a grocery store are bland compared to the same veggie grown in a garden, at least in my experience.
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Meh. I have a garden/animals for a reason. If I really want to know about something I'll grow or raise it.
Most of the time I buy the regular shit. Organic is hoax. |
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My wife is all about the organic stuff. I don't mind as it doesn't cost nearly as much as it once did when the whole organic thing started to take off.
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lol, anyone that just blindly trusts/assumes that some .gov labeling program has their best interest in mind is stupid. Ultimately, it's up to the consumer to be responsible for what they put in their body. I love seeing carts at the grocery store filled with all organic produce, but also loaded down with junk like wheat bread and other "heart healthy" garbage. Sheeple. Do your own research, find local and responsible sources for stuff. Yeah it's way more effort and probably more expensive and you will be limited in what you can find -- but not getting the beetus or cancer from eating shitty fucking food is worth it. View Quote Pretty much this. I eat a lot of "organic" veggies and meats, but I know the farmers who produce it. I'm not relying on a label in a store, I'm going to my neighbors farm/CSA. As for price, sometimes it is more expensive, sometimes not. The quality is definitely better; tomatoes for example, taste great - not at all like the flavorless crap you get at the supermarket. |
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My wife is all about the organic stuff. I don't mind as it doesn't cost nearly as much as it once did when the whole organic thing started to take off. View Quote When the organic movement started in the '70s, the food was much less chemicalized than it is now. "Organic" started out as a movement towards responsible farming, living soil, and quality food. Then big agriculture got involved. |
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Depends.
One of my clients is an in-the-process-of-being-certified organic farm. It's hard work but the food is not the hyperspecialized, bland stuff you generally get at Kroger of wherever. Heirloom tomatoes vs. Hothouse bland tomatoes, that kind of thing. Thay said, most of the marketing for organics focuses on the egos of the target audience, who feels they're worth it. |
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When the organic movement started in the '70s, the food was much less chemicalized than it is now. "Organic" started out as a movement towards responsible farming, living soil, and quality food. Then big agriculture got involved. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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My wife is all about the organic stuff. I don't mind as it doesn't cost nearly as much as it once did when the whole organic thing started to take off. When the organic movement started in the '70s, the food was much less chemicalized than it is now. "Organic" started out as a movement towards responsible farming, living soil, and quality food. Then big agriculture got involved. Yep. And the certification is a multi year process to boot. Reeks of big agriculture trying to stomp out the little guy who'd been doing it that way all along. |
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This is what we've been trying to tell tards in the anti GMO threads here for years.
"certified organic" does not mean what they think it does. |
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The quality is definitely better; tomatoes for example, taste great - not at all like the flavorless crap you get at the supermarket. View Quote Which has exactly nothing to do with being "organic" and everything to do with local farmers not having to grow varieties with tougher skin that is necessary for the big stores shipping tomatoes all over the place if they don't want to end up with a truck full of ketchup at the end of the road. |
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Yep. And the certification is a multi year process to boot. Reeks of big agriculture trying to stomp out the little guy who'd been doing it that way all along. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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My wife is all about the organic stuff. I don't mind as it doesn't cost nearly as much as it once did when the whole organic thing started to take off. When the organic movement started in the '70s, the food was much less chemicalized than it is now. "Organic" started out as a movement towards responsible farming, living soil, and quality food. Then big agriculture got involved. Yep. And the certification is a multi year process to boot. Reeks of big agriculture trying to stomp out the little guy who'd been doing it that way all along. It's for-profit certification too, lol. You pay some "qualified inspector" some fee that he chooses, and it's up to him whether or not you pass. I'm sure a lot play by the book, but how many farms out there were qualified by some inspector through sheer bribery? I'm sure all of us at one time or another got an inspection sticker on our cars from a buddy's garage even though that car needed brakes and had a blinker out. |
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Same nonsense goes for the "free range chicken" that suckers are paying a premium for. The chickens are raised in mega chicken coops like all the rest, but they have an exit door that leads to a small outdoor area that the chickens can "choose" to walk around in which few ever do. View Quote I buy free range chicken eggs. $2 doz (mixed size) and $3 (all large). I know both sellers and their chickens are free range. The eggs do taste better. |
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I like buying "organic" items because they usually don't have artificial ingredients. I don't really care about "organic" produce or pesticides.
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The "Farm to Table" restaurants really get me. I'm amazed that most city health departments will even allow them. |
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I generally don't worry too much about. My wife and I grow our own green beans and corn so we have that covered. The wife made a shitload of pickles this year. We are also going to get a chicken coup going within a year. I do know that grass beef tastes a hell of lot better than mass produced, corn fed beef. I'm not saying the mass produced beef is bad for you, but the last calf we bought from a neighbor and had butchered was a lot better than grocery store beef. YMMV.
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I have 420 acres of certified organic alfalfa and about another 400 in barley/wheat.
About 1/4 of my farming operations are organic. I aint going to talk about specifics but the contents of that article are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to some of the shady shit that goes on in organic farming. I will give you a hint though: Organic dairies/mills don't give a hoot in hell if what they receive is "organic" as long as they have the cert that says it is. Many, if not most, organic producers have amazingly high yields on their organic crops. |
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Which has exactly nothing to do with being "organic" and everything to do with local farmers not having to grow varieties with tougher skin that is necessary for the big stores shipping tomatoes all over the place if they don't want to end up with a truck full of ketchup at the end of the road. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The quality is definitely better; tomatoes for example, taste great - not at all like the flavorless crap you get at the supermarket. Which has exactly nothing to do with being "organic" and everything to do with local farmers not having to grow varieties with tougher skin that is necessary for the big stores shipping tomatoes all over the place if they don't want to end up with a truck full of ketchup at the end of the road. Makes sense. We grow several varieties of tomatoes and the flavor is Sooo much better than generic grocery store tomatoes. |
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I've done a lot of reading on this topic and have dug pretty deep. I encourage anyone who is interested to do the same.
I buy select items organic, and I try to limit my intake of synthetic chemical pesticides. There is also, in my experience, a difference in locally grown organic veggies and conventionally grown big box veggies in many cases. They do taste better, and come from better soils. That's a choice I make for myself. I like the fact that there is a way to tell what I'm buying and eating, so I can choose. You can choose what you want to eat too. If there was no certified organic program, which is actually pretty robust as of my last research a couple of years ago, It would be very difficult to determine what I'm buying/eating. This program is useful because it sets some guidelines that have to be followed, given current circumstances. I do think it would be better for the government to get out of it all together, and that would open things up for farmers and eaters to follow whatever practices they want, and establish relationships based on trust and/or private verification mechanisms, which exist. I don't think that the government should be telling me what I will eat, or supporting big agriculture, small agriculture, or bio-tech (pesticide) companies in any form. The free market should be allowed to function, let the people who buy food determine who wins or loses. 'Murica! |
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This is what we've been trying to tell tards in the anti GMO threads here for years. "certified organic" does not mean what they think it does. View Quote Bingo, It's more of a marketing gimmick. That's how one of our Senators made his money. I looked into it for beef cattle, but the price of beef went crazy and I got deployed. Not going to try to get in at the top of the market. |
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We need to combine this thread with the gluten and paleo ones.
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If I hear some douchenozzle on Food Network say 'Locally-sourced' one more time... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The "Farm to Table" restaurants really get me. I'm amazed that most city health departments will even allow them. If I hear some douchenozzle on Food Network say 'Locally-sourced' one more time... I'm interested in why. What we don't grow we usually get at the farmer's market. It tastes/feels fresher, supports the local economy, and isn't covered in human waste/TP |
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Which has exactly nothing to do with being "organic" and everything to do with local farmers not having to grow varieties with tougher skin that is necessary for the big stores shipping tomatoes all over the place if they don't want to end up with a truck full of ketchup at the end of the road. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The quality is definitely better; tomatoes for example, taste great - not at all like the flavorless crap you get at the supermarket. Which has exactly nothing to do with being "organic" and everything to do with local farmers not having to grow varieties with tougher skin that is necessary for the big stores shipping tomatoes all over the place if they don't want to end up with a truck full of ketchup at the end of the road. Which may be true. But that still doesn't negate the point that if you want quality - organic or not - you have to seek it out and not rely merely on a label. Ultimately YOU are responsible for what you put in your body. Quality matters to me, and I do notice a difference in taste so I buy local when possible. I cant remember the last time i had a tomato from the store worth a shit. I also like supporting the small businesses of my friends and neighbors rather than the big supermarkets, just like I'd rather support my local gun store rather than Walmart. |
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The label "Organic" or "Gluten Free" are the new buzzwords, a few years ago it was "Lite" or "Light" or "Whole Grain". It's marketing hype for the most part.
Having said that I still prefer my own home grown veggies or those of a local farm as well as eggs, poultry and meats from small local farms. I went last Saturday to buy my meat for a month or two from a farm near me. A guy up the road has fresh eggs and another has some of the best tasting chickens I've ever eaten, Freedom Rangers. You can't get that kind of quality or freshness at Kroger or Publix, I don't care what label they sell it under. |
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I'm trying to convince my wife that it doesn't matter much. She keeps buying these "organic" chocolate chip granola bars for the kids which they go through in no time flat and are expensive. we spend $800 a month on groceries, it would be nice to shave a few bucks off. I do prefer to give my kids the organic milk, but I can't say that I'm entirely educated on the subject.
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The government got involved ....subsidies...
Nothing wrong with buying beef from a local grower you know and trust. |
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It's interesting to me how something as basic and heavily studied as human food and nutrition can have so many diametrically opposed opinions that are all supposedly supported by the data.
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Quoted: The label "Organic" or "Gluten Free" are the new buzzwords, a few years ago it was "Lite" or "Light" or "Whole Grain". It's marketing hype for the most part. Having said that I still prefer my own home grown veggies or those of a local farm as well as eggs, poultry and meats from small local farms. I went last Saturday to buy my meat for a month or two from a farm near me. A guy up the road has fresh eggs and another has some of the best tasting chickens I've ever eaten, Freedom Rangers. You can't get that kind of quality or freshness at Kroger or Publix, I don't care what label they sell it under. View Quote And before that, it was "Fat Free" People thought fat in the food got you fat. When it's actually calories. |
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I buy free range chicken eggs. $2 doz (mixed size) and $3 (all large). I know both sellers and their chickens are free range. The eggs do taste better. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Same nonsense goes for the "free range chicken" that suckers are paying a premium for. The chickens are raised in mega chicken coops like all the rest, but they have an exit door that leads to a small outdoor area that the chickens can "choose" to walk around in which few ever do. I buy free range chicken eggs. $2 doz (mixed size) and $3 (all large). I know both sellers and their chickens are free range. The eggs do taste better. They do taste better. I was skeptical until the wife insist I do a few blind taste tests. |
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I only buy organic milk.
I don't use a lot of milk, and the organic milk lasts about four times longer than the regular stuff. |
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