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Posted: 7/29/2015 9:54:50 AM EDT
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Same nonsense goes for the "free range chicken" that suckers are paying a premium for.
The chickens are raised in mega chicken coops like all the rest, but they have an exit door that leads to a small outdoor area that the chickens can "choose" to walk around in which few ever do. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 9:56:05 AM EDT
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Anyone that cares about their food already knows this.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:00:01 AM EDT
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For me personally, the key is "the fewer the better" when it comes to something that is designed to kill something else (bugs, parasites, etc).
I tend to buy things based on the Dirty Dozen and the Clean 15 lists. On the dirty dozen, the fewest amount of pesticides found was 46 in each of the cases. As far as the clean 15, buying the non organic versions of them is fine as there were trace pesticides found on even the non organic versions. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:02:05 AM EDT
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This chick I know on FB who has a roadside produce stand when asked about organic produce, shows pics of the side by side comparison. She said no one would buy the organic stuff from her.
It didn't look bad, but the other stuff look great in comparison. I couldn't tell if they were her pics of not, but I figured she knew more about it than me. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:05:35 AM EDT
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Reminds me of someone I know. Self-made millionaire. Technical genius. Graduate school education. Buys the organic thing hook, line, and sinker.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:06:47 AM EDT
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Endless babes in yoga pants you say?
Shit, I'll have to go shop there 
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:07:09 AM EDT
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Same nonsense goes for the "free range chicken" that suckers are paying a premium for. The chickens are raised in mega chicken coops like all the rest, but they have an exit door that leads to a small outdoor area that the chickens can "choose" to walk around in which few ever do. You mean it's not all this?? 
I also don't care for steaks sold as 'grass fed'. Something 'off' about them. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:08:27 AM EDT
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Endless babes in yoga pants you say? Shit, I'll have to go shop there Get thee to the Whole Foods at Maple and Coolidge! |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:08:27 AM EDT
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You mean it's not all this?? http://i.imgur.com/sAU54mE.jpg I also don't care for steaks sold as 'grass fed'. Something 'off' about them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Same nonsense goes for the "free range chicken" that suckers are paying a premium for. The chickens are raised in mega chicken coops like all the rest, but they have an exit door that leads to a small outdoor area that the chickens can "choose" to walk around in which few ever do. You mean it's not all this?? http://i.imgur.com/sAU54mE.jpg I also don't care for steaks sold as 'grass fed'. Something 'off' about them. Some of them are. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:08:28 AM EDT
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Same nonsense goes for the "free range chicken" that suckers are paying a premium for. The chickens are raised in mega chicken coops like all the rest, but they have an exit door that leads to a small outdoor area that the chickens can "choose" to walk around in which few ever do. do you know how I know you don't know shit about chickens? |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:09:29 AM EDT
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do you know how I know you don't know shit about chickens? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Same nonsense goes for the "free range chicken" that suckers are paying a premium for. The chickens are raised in mega chicken coops like all the rest, but they have an exit door that leads to a small outdoor area that the chickens can "choose" to walk around in which few ever do. do you know how I know you don't know shit about chickens? Hes probably talking about those fatty meat birds. I don't remember what they're called, but after a few weeks they park their ass next to the feeder for the rest of their short life. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:12:14 AM EDT
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do you know how I know you don't know shit about chickens? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Same nonsense goes for the "free range chicken" that suckers are paying a premium for. The chickens are raised in mega chicken coops like all the rest, but they have an exit door that leads to a small outdoor area that the chickens can "choose" to walk around in which few ever do. do you know how I know you don't know shit about chickens? Give a cornish cross the chance to feed on grain or forage. Let me know what it does... |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:12:57 AM EDT
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Ypu. Organic food is a scam. American people fall for this stupid bullshit all the time. It's a myth, just like "Oh well the reason the pharmaceuticals don't cure cancer is because they wont have a way to make money anymore!" or "vaccinations of children cause autism!" or that nuclear power is more unsafe than Coal, solar and wind.
 People getting rich off of the stupidity of Americans. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:13:02 AM EDT
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I only eat organic chicken breast and grass fed beef because i read that the hormones in regular meat will make me grow tits brah
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:17:54 AM EDT
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lol, anyone that just blindly trusts/assumes that some .gov labeling program has their best interest in mind is stupid.
Ultimately, it's up to the consumer to be responsible for what they put in their body. I love seeing carts at the grocery store filled with all organic produce, but also loaded down with junk like wheat bread and other "heart healthy" garbage. Sheeple. Do your own research, find local and responsible sources for stuff. Yeah it's way more effort and probably more expensive and you will be limited in what you can find -- but not getting the beetus or cancer from eating shitty fucking food is worth it. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:19:44 AM EDT
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its really about the soil, and whether or not micronutrients and major nutrients are present and available to the plant. i don't see the quality of nutrition that plants grown on sand or depleted soils is comparable to plants grown on fertile soils. it sounds silly, but the tongue has taste buds that detect different compounds and elements. most veggies in a grocery store are bland compared to the same veggie grown in a garden, at least in my experience.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:22:13 AM EDT
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Meh. I have a garden/animals for a reason. If I really want to know about something I'll grow or raise it.
Most of the time I buy the regular shit. Organic is hoax. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:22:31 AM EDT
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I only eat organic chicken breast and grass fed beef because i read that the hormones in regular meat will make me grow tits brah Can confirm, got Gyno from eating hormonal chickens |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:25:17 AM EDT
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My wife is all about the organic stuff. I don't mind as it doesn't cost nearly as much as it once did when the whole organic thing started to take off.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:36:03 AM EDT
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lol, anyone that just blindly trusts/assumes that some .gov labeling program has their best interest in mind is stupid. Ultimately, it's up to the consumer to be responsible for what they put in their body. I love seeing carts at the grocery store filled with all organic produce, but also loaded down with junk like wheat bread and other "heart healthy" garbage. Sheeple. Do your own research, find local and responsible sources for stuff. Yeah it's way more effort and probably more expensive and you will be limited in what you can find -- but not getting the beetus or cancer from eating shitty fucking food is worth it. Pretty much this. I eat a lot of "organic" veggies and meats, but I know the farmers who produce it. I'm not relying on a label in a store, I'm going to my neighbors farm/CSA. As for price, sometimes it is more expensive, sometimes not. The quality is definitely better; tomatoes for example, taste great - not at all like the flavorless crap you get at the supermarket. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:36:42 AM EDT
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My wife is all about the organic stuff. I don't mind as it doesn't cost nearly as much as it once did when the whole organic thing started to take off. When the organic movement started in the '70s, the food was much less chemicalized than it is now. "Organic" started out as a movement towards responsible farming, living soil, and quality food. Then big agriculture got involved. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:37:12 AM EDT
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Depends.
One of my clients is an in-the-process-of-being-certified organic farm. It's hard work but the food is not the hyperspecialized, bland stuff you generally get at Kroger of wherever. Heirloom tomatoes vs. Hothouse bland tomatoes, that kind of thing. Thay said, most of the marketing for organics focuses on the egos of the target audience, who feels they're worth it. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:38:47 AM EDT
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When the organic movement started in the '70s, the food was much less chemicalized than it is now. "Organic" started out as a movement towards responsible farming, living soil, and quality food. Then big agriculture got involved. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My wife is all about the organic stuff. I don't mind as it doesn't cost nearly as much as it once did when the whole organic thing started to take off. When the organic movement started in the '70s, the food was much less chemicalized than it is now. "Organic" started out as a movement towards responsible farming, living soil, and quality food. Then big agriculture got involved. Yep. And the certification is a multi year process to boot. Reeks of big agriculture trying to stomp out the little guy who'd been doing it that way all along. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:39:55 AM EDT
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This is what we've been trying to tell tards in the anti GMO threads here for years.
"certified organic" does not mean what they think it does. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:42:40 AM EDT
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The quality is definitely better; tomatoes for example, taste great - not at all like the flavorless crap you get at the supermarket. Which has exactly nothing to do with being "organic" and everything to do with local farmers not having to grow varieties with tougher skin that is necessary for the big stores shipping tomatoes all over the place if they don't want to end up with a truck full of ketchup at the end of the road. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:42:56 AM EDT
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Yep. And the certification is a multi year process to boot. Reeks of big agriculture trying to stomp out the little guy who'd been doing it that way all along. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My wife is all about the organic stuff. I don't mind as it doesn't cost nearly as much as it once did when the whole organic thing started to take off. When the organic movement started in the '70s, the food was much less chemicalized than it is now. "Organic" started out as a movement towards responsible farming, living soil, and quality food. Then big agriculture got involved. Yep. And the certification is a multi year process to boot. Reeks of big agriculture trying to stomp out the little guy who'd been doing it that way all along. It's for-profit certification too, lol. You pay some "qualified inspector" some fee that he chooses, and it's up to him whether or not you pass. I'm sure a lot play by the book, but how many farms out there were qualified by some inspector through sheer bribery? I'm sure all of us at one time or another got an inspection sticker on our cars from a buddy's garage even though that car needed brakes and had a blinker out. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:43:15 AM EDT
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Same nonsense goes for the "free range chicken" that suckers are paying a premium for. The chickens are raised in mega chicken coops like all the rest, but they have an exit door that leads to a small outdoor area that the chickens can "choose" to walk around in which few ever do. I buy free range chicken eggs. $2 doz (mixed size) and $3 (all large). I know both sellers and their chickens are free range. The eggs do taste better. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:43:37 AM EDT
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I like buying "organic" items because they usually don't have artificial ingredients. I don't really care about "organic" produce or pesticides.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:48:54 AM EDT
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The "Farm to Table" restaurants really get me. I'm amazed that most city health departments will even allow them.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:52:40 AM EDT
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I generally don't worry too much about. My wife and I grow our own green beans and corn so we have that covered. The wife made a shitload of pickles this year. We are also going to get a chicken coup going within a year. I do know that grass beef tastes a hell of lot better than mass produced, corn fed beef. I'm not saying the mass produced beef is bad for you, but the last calf we bought from a neighbor and had butchered was a lot better than grocery store beef. YMMV.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:55:59 AM EDT
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I have 420 acres of certified organic alfalfa and about another 400 in barley/wheat.
About 1/4 of my farming operations are organic. I aint going to talk about specifics but the contents of that article are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to some of the shady shit that goes on in organic farming. I will give you a hint though: Organic dairies/mills don't give a hoot in hell if what they receive is "organic" as long as they have the cert that says it is. Many, if not most, organic producers have amazingly high yields on their organic crops. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:56:03 AM EDT
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The "Farm to Table" restaurants really get me. I'm amazed that most city health departments will even allow them. If I hear some douchenozzle on Food Network say 'Locally-sourced' one more time... |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:56:28 AM EDT
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Which has exactly nothing to do with being "organic" and everything to do with local farmers not having to grow varieties with tougher skin that is necessary for the big stores shipping tomatoes all over the place if they don't want to end up with a truck full of ketchup at the end of the road. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The quality is definitely better; tomatoes for example, taste great - not at all like the flavorless crap you get at the supermarket. Which has exactly nothing to do with being "organic" and everything to do with local farmers not having to grow varieties with tougher skin that is necessary for the big stores shipping tomatoes all over the place if they don't want to end up with a truck full of ketchup at the end of the road. Makes sense. We grow several varieties of tomatoes and the flavor is Sooo much better than generic grocery store tomatoes. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:57:31 AM EDT
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I've done a lot of reading on this topic and have dug pretty deep. I encourage anyone who is interested to do the same.
I buy select items organic, and I try to limit my intake of synthetic chemical pesticides. There is also, in my experience, a difference in locally grown organic veggies and conventionally grown big box veggies in many cases. They do taste better, and come from better soils. That's a choice I make for myself. I like the fact that there is a way to tell what I'm buying and eating, so I can choose. You can choose what you want to eat too. If there was no certified organic program, which is actually pretty robust as of my last research a couple of years ago, It would be very difficult to determine what I'm buying/eating. This program is useful because it sets some guidelines that have to be followed, given current circumstances. I do think it would be better for the government to get out of it all together, and that would open things up for farmers and eaters to follow whatever practices they want, and establish relationships based on trust and/or private verification mechanisms, which exist. I don't think that the government should be telling me what I will eat, or supporting big agriculture, small agriculture, or bio-tech (pesticide) companies in any form. The free market should be allowed to function, let the people who buy food determine who wins or loses. 'Murica! |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:57:45 AM EDT
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I see “ORGANIC”.........I buy the other shit.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:57:52 AM EDT
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This is what we've been trying to tell tards in the anti GMO threads here for years. "certified organic" does not mean what they think it does. Bingo, It's more of a marketing gimmick. That's how one of our Senators made his money.
I looked into it for beef cattle, but the price of beef went crazy and I got deployed. Not going to try to get in at the top of the market. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:58:01 AM EDT
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We need to combine this thread with the gluten and paleo ones.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:59:24 AM EDT
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This is what we've been trying to tell tards in the anti GMO threads here for years. "certified organic" does not mean what they think it does. It means exactly what I think it does. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 11:02:34 AM EDT
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If I hear some douchenozzle on Food Network say 'Locally-sourced' one more time... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The "Farm to Table" restaurants really get me. I'm amazed that most city health departments will even allow them. If I hear some douchenozzle on Food Network say 'Locally-sourced' one more time... I'm interested in why. What we don't grow we usually get at the farmer's market. It tastes/feels fresher, supports the local economy, and isn't covered in human waste/TP |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 11:04:25 AM EDT
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Which has exactly nothing to do with being "organic" and everything to do with local farmers not having to grow varieties with tougher skin that is necessary for the big stores shipping tomatoes all over the place if they don't want to end up with a truck full of ketchup at the end of the road. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The quality is definitely better; tomatoes for example, taste great - not at all like the flavorless crap you get at the supermarket. Which has exactly nothing to do with being "organic" and everything to do with local farmers not having to grow varieties with tougher skin that is necessary for the big stores shipping tomatoes all over the place if they don't want to end up with a truck full of ketchup at the end of the road. Which may be true. But that still doesn't negate the point that if you want quality - organic or not - you have to seek it out and not rely merely on a label. Ultimately YOU are responsible for what you put in your body. Quality matters to me, and I do notice a difference in taste so I buy local when possible. I cant remember the last time i had a tomato from the store worth a shit. I also like supporting the small businesses of my friends and neighbors rather than the big supermarkets, just like I'd rather support my local gun store rather than Walmart. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 11:11:12 AM EDT
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The label "Organic" or "Gluten Free" are the new buzzwords, a few years ago it was "Lite" or "Light" or "Whole Grain". It's marketing hype for the most part.
Having said that I still prefer my own home grown veggies or those of a local farm as well as eggs, poultry and meats from small local farms. I went last Saturday to buy my meat for a month or two from a farm near me. A guy up the road has fresh eggs and another has some of the best tasting chickens I've ever eaten, Freedom Rangers. You can't get that kind of quality or freshness at Kroger or Publix, I don't care what label they sell it under. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 11:12:15 AM EDT
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I'm trying to convince my wife that it doesn't matter much. She keeps buying these "organic" chocolate chip granola bars for the kids which they go through in no time flat and are expensive. we spend $800 a month on groceries, it would be nice to shave a few bucks off. I do prefer to give my kids the organic milk, but I can't say that I'm entirely educated on the subject.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 11:14:04 AM EDT
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The government got involved ....subsidies...
Nothing wrong with buying beef from a local grower you know and trust. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 11:16:59 AM EDT
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The government got involved ....subsidies... Nothing wrong with buying beef from a local grower you know and trust. Like Callicrate in S Colorado. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 11:26:44 AM EDT
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It's interesting to me how something as basic and heavily studied as human food and nutrition can have so many diametrically opposed opinions that are all supposedly supported by the data.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 11:28:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The label "Organic" or "Gluten Free" are the new buzzwords, a few years ago it was "Lite" or "Light" or "Whole Grain". It's marketing hype for the most part. Having said that I still prefer my own home grown veggies or those of a local farm as well as eggs, poultry and meats from small local farms. I went last Saturday to buy my meat for a month or two from a farm near me. A guy up the road has fresh eggs and another has some of the best tasting chickens I've ever eaten, Freedom Rangers. You can't get that kind of quality or freshness at Kroger or Publix, I don't care what label they sell it under. And before that, it was "Fat Free" People thought fat in the food got you fat. When it's actually calories. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 11:34:41 AM EDT
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I buy free range chicken eggs. $2 doz (mixed size) and $3 (all large). I know both sellers and their chickens are free range. The eggs do taste better. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Same nonsense goes for the "free range chicken" that suckers are paying a premium for. The chickens are raised in mega chicken coops like all the rest, but they have an exit door that leads to a small outdoor area that the chickens can "choose" to walk around in which few ever do. I buy free range chicken eggs. $2 doz (mixed size) and $3 (all large). I know both sellers and their chickens are free range. The eggs do taste better. They do taste better. I was skeptical until the wife insist I do a few blind taste tests. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 11:35:23 AM EDT
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The "Farm to Table" restaurants really get me. I'm amazed that most city health departments will even allow them. The one farm to table place I have been to is amazing. 
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Posted: 7/29/2015 11:38:51 AM EDT
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BTW organic fresh chicken is awesome.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 11:40:50 AM EDT
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I only buy organic milk.
I don't use a lot of milk, and the organic milk lasts about four times longer than the regular stuff. |
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