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Posted: 7/23/2013 5:54:39 PM EDT
[#1]
Haha Cops are better than the rest of us. Didn't you get the memo?
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Posted: 7/23/2013 5:56:02 PM EDT
[#2]
Why am I not really shocked at all?
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Posted: 7/23/2013 5:57:43 PM EDT
[#3]
Didn't you read the first line of the article?
They were FORCED to break in. Clearly they had no choice in the matter. 
--------------------- BTW, Stop costing me money, dammit. 
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:00:11 PM EDT
[#4]
There is a huge difference between lending support in a time of need because it is the right thing to do, and having somebody come into your place of business, loot whatever they want, and then screw around and haggle over payment are two very different things.
Looting is looting no matter what the rationalizing behind it. Are the law enforcement agencies giving the people they arrested for looting the opportunity to pay what they feel is fair for what they took and letting them go? |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:02:11 PM EDT
[#5]
Having watched the video... They didn't even pay the whole bill.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:03:04 PM EDT
[#6]
I don't have a problem with this in an extreme emergency situation as long as the city fully compensates the owner for any products as well as any damage incurred.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:03:41 PM EDT
[#7]
But, But.....it was an emergency!
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:04:42 PM EDT
[#8]
So they stole a case of .22LR?
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:06:25 PM EDT
[#9]
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Having watched the video... They didn't even pay the whole bill. Yeah, that really seems shitty. Yeah, we stole your shit. But we are also gonna stiff you for about $30,000 after holding out paying for almost a year. He is lucky he was able to survive that kind of loss. Being out $200,000+ plus for almost a year will put most small business under. Hell, a $30,000 loss like that will too. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:07:18 PM EDT
[#10]
"Mayor Bill Akers says first responders had little choice when they were soaked and needed dry clothes."
No offense, but dress for the weather. Keep spare uniforms at work in your locker. "Mayor Akers says the situation was a learning lesson and the borough is now putting together proper protocol for situations like this." Typical politicians who never plan for anything ahead of time. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:07:26 PM EDT
[#11]
At least the dag survived
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:10:08 PM EDT
[#12]
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I don't have a problem with this in an extreme emergency situation as long as the city fully compensates the owner for any products as well as any damage incurred. There is at least a decent way to do it. These guys didn't even try. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:12:06 PM EDT
[#13]
In my day, we called people who broke into places and took stuff that didn't belong to them thieves.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:14:00 PM EDT
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In my day, we called people who broke into places and took stuff that didn't belong to them thieves. They still are. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:14:25 PM EDT
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There is at least a decent way to do it. These guys didn't even try. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't have a problem with this in an extreme emergency situation as long as the city fully compensates the owner for any products as well as any damage incurred. There is at least a decent way to do it. These guys didn't even try. Agreed. Sounds like a very shitty situation. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:14:38 PM EDT
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I don't have a problem with this in an extreme emergency situation as long as the city fully compensates the owner for any products as well as any damage incurred. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:15:14 PM EDT
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There is at least a decent way to do it. These guys didn't even try. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't have a problem with this in an extreme emergency situation as long as the city fully compensates the owner for any products as well as any damage incurred. There is at least a decent way to do it. These guys didn't even try. Yup, disgraceful! |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:15:28 PM EDT
[#18]
No matter how you spin it ,it is Breaking and Entering.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:16:06 PM EDT
[#19]
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I don't have a problem with this in an extreme emergency situation as long as the city fully compensates the owner for any products as well as any damage incurred. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I don't have a problem with this in an extreme emergency situation as long as the city fully compensates the owner for any products as well as any damage incurred. Mayor Bill Akers says first responders had little choice when they were soaked and needed dry clothes. I have no way to relate to this, not even though I'm from New Jersey and did EMS there. Build a fire and throw yourselves in it, Sleazeside. You belong there. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:17:40 PM EDT
[#20]
LMAO .gov and big business don't care about us peons. I got called out by CT light and power on my birthday. To go do an emergency call. I was called by a supervisor. They were given a copy of the bill signed and all. The supervisor confirmed he called us out. I had the workers names, truck number, pole number. date and time of the call and our arrival.
Accounts refused to pay us. Why? They didn't have a work order( It was an emergency call. THEY called US ). They admitted to having full knowledge and doccumentation of everything but refused to pay. GO battle in court over a couple hundred dollars? They know most wount because it would cost more to do so.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:18:15 PM EDT
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"Mayor Bill Akers says first responders had little choice when they were soaked and needed dry clothes." No offense, but dress for the weather. Keep spare uniforms at work in your locker. "Mayor Akers says the situation was a learning lesson and the borough is now putting together proper protocol for situations like this." Typical politicians who never plan for anything ahead of time. Plan? Like make sure peeople bring more clothes that they already own...... Ahhhh fuck it, just steal what ytou want and pay 75 percent. Its what people build businesses for right? To help over paid responders to plus up their supply of military gear. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:18:30 PM EDT
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In my day, we called people who broke into places and took stuff that didn't belong to them looters thieves.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:18:45 PM EDT
[#23]
Nothing more than government looting, just like April 15 th.
In all honestly those evolved should be prosecuted for the crime they committed. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:19:28 PM EDT
[#24]
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LMAO .gov and big business don't care about us peons. I got called out by CT light and power on my birthday. To go do an emergency call. I was called by a supervisor. They were given a copy of the bill signed and all. The supervisor confirmed he called us out. I had the workers names, truck number, pole number. date and time of the call and our arrival. Accounts refused to pay us. Why? They didn't have a work order( It was an emergency call. THEY called US ). They admitted to having full knowledge and documentation of everything but refused to pay. GO battle in court over a couple hundred dollars? They know most wount because it would cost more to do so.
Well, you know what to do next time they have an "emergency".
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:19:59 PM EDT
[#25]
Citizen! We're the government and we're here to take what we want! 
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:20:01 PM EDT
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Haha Cops are better than the rest of us. Didn't you get the memo? wut |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:20:29 PM EDT
[#27]
C'MON IT'S JERSEY WHATTA YA EXPECT?
Good thing the shop wasn't full of fudge and peanut brittle, that bloated sack of crap, Christie Kreme would have cleaned it out. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:23:10 PM EDT
[#28]
Cop basher!!!!
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:23:11 PM EDT
[#29]
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I have no way to relate to this, not even though I'm from New Jersey and did EMS there. Build a fire and throw yourselves in it, Sleazeside. You belong there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't have a problem with this in an extreme emergency situation as long as the city fully compensates the owner for any products as well as any damage incurred. Mayor Bill Akers says first responders had little choice when they were soaked and needed dry clothes. I have no way to relate to this, not even though I'm from New Jersey and did EMS there. Build a fire and throw yourselves in it, Sleazeside. You belong there. I was speaking generally. I did not mean to imply that this was such a situation, as I have not even read about any details. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:24:41 PM EDT
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I don't have a problem with this in an extreme emergency situation as long as the city fully compensates the owner for any products as well as any damage incurred. I kind of do... The USG makes its crazy easy and nearly free for the municipalities to prep for eventualities like this. First rule of responding to emergencies is "don't become part of the emergency." I understand the concept of extingent need. I just think that a bunch of first responders treated this guys private property like their own personal COSTCO. Honestly, they, not the city should be paying this guy back. I'm the most pogue of pogue Reserve officers, but I keep enough stuff on hand to be of assistance, versus being "That Guy" who shows up to a SuperStorm thinking that some theater level sustainment brigade is there. Perhaps its just my Navy upbringing, but if you think you'll need it, you better have that shit with you. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:27:28 PM EDT
[#31]
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Haha Cops are better than the rest of us. Didn't you get the memo? We ARE better than you, but I'd like to point out, it was the fire dept. 
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:28:03 PM EDT
[#32]
Wow, I have several bags in my patrol truck. Granted, I live in a large (4,309 square mile county), and am a SAR tech, SWAT guy, and teach land nav/map and compass, and high altitude/rough country survival. But how hard is it to carry a snivel gear bag at least?
My truck: 4 rolls of TP Fast rescue bag (Surplus 3 day pack with gear for rock rescue ops and sustainment supplies) Long term rescue pack (Surplus large MOLLE pack with shelter, sleeping bag, food for a week, extra dry clothes, etc) Snowmobile fast rescue pack, with survival shelter and IFAK, extra warm clothing, Clif bars, etc. SWAT gear. Yeah, if I ever wreck, it'll look like a Supply Sergeant exploded.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:28:10 PM EDT
[#33]
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I kind of do... The USG makes its crazy easy and nearly free for the municipalities to prep for eventualities like this. First rule of responding to emergencies is "don't become part of the emergency." I understand the concept of extingent need. I just think that a bunch of first responders treated this guys private property like their own personal COSTCO. Honestly, they, not the city should be paying this guy back. I'm the most pogue of pogue Reserve officers, but I keep enough stuff on hand to be of assistance, versus being "That Guy" who shows up to a SuperStorm thinking that some theater level sustainment brigade is there. Perhaps its just my Navy upbringing, but if you think you'll need it, you better have that shit with you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't have a problem with this in an extreme emergency situation as long as the city fully compensates the owner for any products as well as any damage incurred. I kind of do... The USG makes its crazy easy and nearly free for the municipalities to prep for eventualities like this. First rule of responding to emergencies is "don't become part of the emergency." I understand the concept of extingent need. I just think that a bunch of first responders treated this guys private property like their own personal COSTCO. Honestly, they, not the city should be paying this guy back. I'm the most pogue of pogue Reserve officers, but I keep enough stuff on hand to be of assistance, versus being "That Guy" who shows up to a SuperStorm thinking that some theater level sustainment brigade is there. Perhaps its just my Navy upbringing, but if you think you'll need it, you better have that shit with you. And if it comes down to having to take something like this, be decent about it. Have somebody in charge, limit what is taken, leave an inventory of what is taken for the shop owner, secure the building behind you, pay him in full and don't take a year to do it. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:29:55 PM EDT
[#34]
you notice this always happens in leftist shit holes.
remember the NOPD looting? |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:31:25 PM EDT
[#35]
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I kind of do... The USG makes its crazy easy and nearly free for the municipalities to prep for eventualities like this. First rule of responding to emergencies is "don't become part of the emergency." I understand the concept of extingent need. I just think that a bunch of first responders treated this guys private property like their own personal COSTCO. Honestly, they, not the city should be paying this guy back. I'm the most pogue of pogue Reserve officers, but I keep enough stuff on hand to be of assistance, versus being "That Guy" who shows up to a SuperStorm thinking that some theater level sustainment brigade is there. Perhaps its just my Navy upbringing, but if you think you'll need it, you better have that shit with you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't have a problem with this in an extreme emergency situation as long as the city fully compensates the owner for any products as well as any damage incurred. I kind of do... The USG makes its crazy easy and nearly free for the municipalities to prep for eventualities like this. First rule of responding to emergencies is "don't become part of the emergency." I understand the concept of extingent need. I just think that a bunch of first responders treated this guys private property like their own personal COSTCO. Honestly, they, not the city should be paying this guy back. I'm the most pogue of pogue Reserve officers, but I keep enough stuff on hand to be of assistance, versus being "That Guy" who shows up to a SuperStorm thinking that some theater level sustainment brigade is there. Perhaps its just my Navy upbringing, but if you think you'll need it, you better have that shit with you. This. During my service years, and after, I'd get chided for carrying extras, or what some though was unnecessary gear, that is until something occurred and the same folks would say, "Hey, do you have an extra ___________, I forgot/lost/left it at home/never had it in the first place?" It got so bad that others wouldn't carry stuff because they knew I'd have it. I finally had to just say, "No". |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:32:59 PM EDT
[#36]
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We ARE better than you, but I'd like to point out, it was the fire dept.
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Haha Cops are better than the rest of us. Didn't you get the memo? We ARE better than you, but I'd like to point out, it was the fire dept.
I was going to say why do they assume it was just cops. They say first responders, and kept panning the camera to the fire station.
Regardless, this doesn't sound like it meets the extreme situation I previously posted. Having watched the video, they also took unneeded items which is completely unacceptable. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:34:15 PM EDT
[#37]
my nephew worked for the seaside heights PD during that time span, he was on duty during Sandy.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:35:08 PM EDT
[#38]
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my nephew worked for the seaside heights PD during that time span, he was on duty during Sandy. Did he show up at your house with an extra Gortex? 
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:35:19 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't have a problem with this in an extreme emergency situation as long as the city fully compensates the owner for any products as well as any damage incurred. And here lies the problem with the city not compensating the store for the items taken and damages occurred to the store |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:37:54 PM EDT
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Eh, not to go against GD on this one but.. . The store owner says the matter is settled and he has no hard feelings so who are we to get pissed.? I wonder if the difference in loss vs amount re paid was because he estimated his losses a bit on the high side (given the circumstances I don't blame him). Army Navy store prices are often pretty high at least at the mom and pop ones. I could be wrong on that since I'm basing this purely on the idea that the owner didn't seem to ticked off about it.
They still messed up big time though. If bad weather leaves you raiding local business for supplies than obviously your emergency plan needs a lot of work. Maybe the survivalist types aren't so off base thinking the .gov would confiscate their stuff in an emergency. At least if you have a business dealing in that type of stuff. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:38:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:38:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: Eh, not to go against GD on this one but.. . The store owner says the matter is settled and he has no hard feelings so who are we to get pissed.? I wonder if the difference in loss vs amount re paid was because he estimated his losses a bit on the high side (given the circumstances I don't blame him). Army Navy store prices are often pretty high at least at the mom and pop ones. I could be wrong on that since I'm basing this purely on the idea that the owner didn't seem to ticked off about it. They still messed up big time though. If bad weather leaves you raiding local business for supplies than obviously your emergency plan needs a lot of work. Maybe the survivalist types aren't so off base thinking the .gov would confiscate their stuff in an emergency. At least if you have a business dealing in that type of stuff. That emergency they stole HIS stuff. Maybe next time, they steal YOURS. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:40:46 PM EDT
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you notice this always happens in leftist shit holes. remember the NOPD looting? YES, we lived it...  The same thing occurred down here in the days after Katrina, but in our case most of what was left had already been looted by the fine citizens that stayed even though they were told repeatedly to GTFO! Pic to prove it, "Protect and Serve Thyself" 
Of course in our case shit was out of control...need an nfl jersey after a major catastrophe, some new nikes?? 
But like true afrcomers we took the bull by the horns, I give you the drunk militia! 
I truly hope none of us ever has to endure this type of situation ever again... 
But like I say our case was extreme. Can u say Martial Law... |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:42:26 PM EDT
[#44]
And how much you want to bet if they found some "illegal" weapons the owner would have been arrested.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:46:37 PM EDT
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Thieves with badges: the legend goes on...
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:49:42 PM EDT
[#46]
The thieves needed to break in, steal merchandise so they can serve and protect someone else's property. It was for the greater good.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:49:44 PM EDT
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Don't forget that Obummer has already signed orders that everything you own is his in an emergency..Even if your a private citizen and its only an emergency because the government says so..all your preps is mine.....
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:50:34 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, I have several bags in my patrol truck. Granted, I live in a large (4,309 square mile county), and am a SAR tech, SWAT guy, and teach land nav/map and compass, and high altitude/rough country survival. But how hard is it to carry a snivel gear bag at least? My truck: 4 rolls of TP Fast rescue bag (Surplus 3 day pack with gear for rock rescue ops and sustainment supplies) Long term rescue pack (Surplus large MOLLE pack with shelter, sleeping bag, food for a week, extra dry clothes, etc) Snowmobile fast rescue pack, with survival shelter and IFAK, extra warm clothing, Clif bars, etc. SWAT gear. Yeah, if I ever wreck, it'll look like a Supply Sergeant exploded. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:53:46 PM EDT
[#49]
Theft is theft, unless it's the government, and then it's just a temporary reallocation of resources.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:53:57 PM EDT
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It's nice to be prepared but what happens when your truck and entire building go under water, or you're sent on a patrol in a vehicle with no room for all that shit because it's filled with rescue personnel and more important shit and your stuff is a goner when you get back. Notice where I'm from, we had fresh uniforms trucked to us from a base 1 hr away, 14 days after the storm hit and we aren't some local PD. Walmart gave us the go ahead to rape one of their stores and I'll always be grateful for that, I had four days worth of drawers and putting on that fresh set from wally world was wonderful. Shit happens and things never work the way you plan, they didn't go and rape a best buy, the guy got paid and he knows he made out good. God forbid a guy who stays back to save all the dumb fucks who stayed be able to get a dry pair of boots and socks to put on in between working 20 hour days in the water. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow, I have several bags in my patrol truck. Granted, I live in a large (4,309 square mile county), and am a SAR tech, SWAT guy, and teach land nav/map and compass, and high altitude/rough country survival. But how hard is it to carry a snivel gear bag at least? My truck: 4 rolls of TP Fast rescue bag (Surplus 3 day pack with gear for rock rescue ops and sustainment supplies) Long term rescue pack (Surplus large MOLLE pack with shelter, sleeping bag, food for a week, extra dry clothes, etc) Snowmobile fast rescue pack, with survival shelter and IFAK, extra warm clothing, Clif bars, etc. SWAT gear. Yeah, if I ever wreck, it'll look like a Supply Sergeant exploded. God bless you. My squadron deployed there, and the day after they hit the ground in New Orleans, the team's two entire pallets were stolen, right off the tarmac. They were then sent to Baton Rouge, with only their MOLLE packs and the gear they'd kept on them. I am not faulting you for what you did, please see my others posts in regards to this matter. Yes, I've considered the other scenarios you've posited, and plan accordingly, to the best of my ability. |
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