They needed $185,000 worth of dry clothes.

that would have been a long drive, about 1300 miles



 

Yea fuck all those thieving scumbag responders (EMS and firefighters included) who worked day and night to help out those that refused to leave, or abide by warnings or common sense.

Yeah I was just pointing out that shit happens, the rest of my post was for the arfcom couch potato army that doesn't understand none of that shit matters when you have to go save people.

 

Wow ! that's fucked up ! Lots of herp in the story.....



As I've mention on here before, I own a bussiness in Seaside, or I did !



200K ? That place is tiny ! It's a little box on the corner



The storm hit on Monday morning. There was a recomended evacuation and 95% of the people left. A few stayed, some of the kids that worked for me stayed as they are young and poor and didn't have the means to go anywhere else.



By Tuesday the looting had started and a mandatory evecuation was enacted. Some of the little bastards that worked for me were responsible for the looting I'm sure.



After that the island was under quarunteen for almost 6 weeks. Only rescue personel, gas, electric and such. There were fires, gas leaks, sewage in the streets. A real mess. And they were only on the island from 9 A.M. till 3 P.M. It's not like the first responders didn't go home every night.



This whole story is fucked up ! ! ! !



Also, News12 NJ sucks balls to infinity.



Oh, as for the Mayor. He's well liked, very smart guy. Really on the ball. As for the posters here talking about a liberal shit hole. Mayor, town council, police chief and almost all the residents are R's. Capitolism and all that. Now, Seaside park, not so much.

So what you're saying is the store owner is lying?

Looted his store.  It is New Jersey.

I did like the end of the story.  "The borough has no hard feelings."  Sure...

Yup, I do emergency management for a living, there's no fucking reason this should have happened. Not to pay the money back especially, lord knows that town put in for FEMA reimbursement for every cent they could think of too. after Irene there was no excuse anymore, we had a year to learn from our mistakes and fix shit, they chose to too and robbed one of their citizens.

No, I wouldn't say that. The owner is a nice guy. The place is a closet though. Really small. Also, Like anything on the island, The mark up is HUGE ! The hardware store behind the Surplus store charges 8 bucks for a 2X4 that costs 3 dollars at home depot.



Like any story it has two sides, 3 sides when the media is involved. The owner is saying "No hard feelings" I bet if I drove down and talked to him tomorrow he'd say News12 NJ totally twisted the story...

Same.
 

theft is theft glad the victim got most of his $$ back

I wasnt aware that being wet constituted an emergency. Had I known I might have got a pass training on rainy days at Ft. Lewis.
The buget for emergency services swelled after 9/11 and Homeland Security giving even tiny depts loads of money to purchase gear. poor Planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine!!

If it was just needed items, and the city paid him back full retail immediatly after the emergency then maybe it was ok. But that was not the case on either count from what he said.

Bad apples in every croud...

Hi everyone,

I have been a member here for about a year but did not find this thread until I did a google search on my own store.  I have mainly just used the Equipment Exchange portion of the site (please don't hate me lol).  

My family has owned and operated Shore Army Navy (the store this thread is about) since 1995.  My username here is bdomar12, my real name is Blake Domaracki, and I am the son of the man interviewed in all of the articles (Theodore Domaracki).  The article you posted is one of many, most of the NJ newspapers have done some sort of piece on our store in the past months.  Proof can be obtained by googling Shore Army Navy, calling the store and asking for Blake.  They will tell you I am rarely there and take a message.  I have a full time job and work there about once a week, but I also take care of the air soft and tac gear side of the business so if you have requests let me know!  

I would like to thank the majority of you who have showed support in the form of acknowledging a town or any department should not breach private property without extraordinary reason.  To say we were caught off guard by this is an understatement, and it was not until weeks after the storm when my parents waited on line with the rest of the residents to take a bus in to town that they actually saw what had occurred in the store.   My parents have been absolute troopers through this, even continuing to side with the town.  We do have to maintain a business presence there afterall...

In the end the town did follow through with their word and paid a claim that was about 90% of what was owed.  To the people in this thread that questioned the amount that we billed the town - We did not overestimate a single item that was on that list.  We have owned and operated that store for almost 20 years, and over that time we had built inventory that wasn't even valued at today's costs.  Small store? Yes...Packed to the gills with product and do we have EVERYTHING an authentic Army/Navy should have...bet your ass we do.  Our prices aren't much higher than internet pricing, there was just an INSANE amount of product stolen and trashed during the storm.  

Feel free to ask any questions, I will keep an eye on this thread from now on...

All you guys who have some stuff put away in case of bad times, don't tell ANYONE about it! The powers that be will have no problem coming to you and confiscating it in the name of the greater good

No questions, I'm just glad the town decided to pay for what they took. They still deserve a black eye for making your family wait and trying to stiff you.

...the greater good.

It's not confiscating. It's just spreading the wealth around.

Theft, pure and simple.

Yep, theft is theft, no matter who is doing the thieving.

My brother's 1903 Copper Gutters and Down Spouts were stolen this past summer.  The thief claimed he needed the cash, I guess it was ok then under the NJLE standards.

I know this dude, name was John Matrix, that busted into a surplus store in LA. The guy drove a bulldozer through the front window and made off with all kinds of cool shit.

He scored an uzi, a tricked out Valmet, and a SPAS 12. Oh, and a Desert Eagle, a badass knife, and some flippers. This was back in the eighties before President Bush went wobbly so he also swiped some claymores and a four shot rocket launcher which I guess were legal at the time.

He just loaded that shit up on a shopping cart and wheeled it out of there.

Disgraceful.

This, the owner should be compensated handsomely.

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.  Expect to see more of this behavior as the law enforcement in this country becomes more militarized.  When people know that they possess superior force, and are protected by the law, they act accordingly.

Jesus Christ.......at least pay the owner what he paid for the items.

If only they had some way of knowing in advance that they would get wet by going out into a rainstorm...


Good thing he didn't sell beer too or the bills for "emergency supplies" would have been about triple.

Thanks for the update.

 

Cant wait to see how folks explain this.

Report: More than rescue items taken from Seaside Heights store during Sandy





http://www.northjersey.com/news/Report_Firemen_took_more_than_Sandy_storm_supplies_from_store.html

Funny, that is what happened also in NOLA/Katrina. The various hotels ordered buses and generators for their guesses, and the .GOV came and said we need this and took it, then many of the hotels guesses ended up tat the SuperDome. This is from various news reports.

Those young guys that recently paid for their stuff when the power was out had way more integrity.

No excuse.................the 1st responders should have been better prepared for the emergency, and the owners of that store should have gotten 100% of the value that was taken refunded to them.........

Theft

so, whats the local Rotary Club think of the situation?

This was my first thought. It was an "emergency," fine... pay the man, RFN.

 






 

I wonder if this has happened in any other country before?

Ones you may have heard of.....hhmmmm

East Germany, Poland, Haiti, Argentina, Venezuela, Cuba.....I don't know.........

On 9/11, I facilitated getting cases of bottled water to the Pentagon from a nearby restaurant. Beyond drinking water, the small bottles of clean water were used as an ersatz eye-wash to cleanse smoke/dust/debris from the eyes of victims and rescue personnel. When I told the Owner/Manager of the need, he simply said; "take it, take it all and anything else that is needed". He didn't ask for a receipt but I kept track of what was loaded onto the truck and gave him a written copy. Fast forward several months and I was directed by my agency contracting office to have this man submit an itemized request for reimbursement. I went back to him but he said he didn't want any money, he was simply glad it helped. I told him that the agency was insisting and he reluctantly gave me a figure based on the quantities I recorded and his retail pricing at the time (as directed by the contracting office). I submitted the reimbursement request and several weeks later I was told that his figure was too high. They wanted to negotiate a cheaper rate. Now, this was a guy who didn't want any reimbursement at all to begin with and reluctantly gave a figure calculated as directed by the contracting office. I went back to him and sheepishly told him of the issue. He laughed and said; "I don't want any reimbursement and I am not filling out any more forms. Tell them I want $0.00, take it or leave it ".

Sounds like they need to upgrade your suspension to take on all that gear

Sir, Welcome to the site, I'm sorry that this happened to you.



They absolutely need to be locked up end of story. I'm speaking as someone who was there as a First Responder by the State (NY not Dirty Jersey)  from minute one through to the bitter end. First off anyone who was there will immediately tell you that we were absolutely drowning in gear and materials like clothes, blankets, camp stoves, poncho liners, shelters, literally exactly  exactly the same stuff someone would rip off from an Army/Navy shop. The problem we had was that there was 4 million tons of supplies, clothing, food, water, soap, detergent etc. etc. that was just dropped anywhere and everywhere the issue was trying to get it squared away and out to the people who needed it, never for one minute was it ever a question of demand and especially not something like 2 dozen multicam parka's, goretex in every size and shape im sure, poncho liners and a bunch of other 'emergency supplies etc. who are they kidding.. there were no concerns at all about supply, people were coming out offering to do laundry for entire towns 2 days after the storm was over.
if any of that shit went down a few miles East of there, I would
happily roll on any of those idiots since I have no doubt they were out
thieving for themselves plain and simple.
At one point I rotated through our POD (mass medical point distribution site) and one of bizarre but vivid memories I have from those days was staring up at literally a pyrmarid that somone had built out of boredom most likely of just cases and cases of cosctco brand athletic socks, probably a thousand of them, just sitting there....






ps


If any of you guys ended up doing any of the early demo and/or contracting work during the early days of the cleanup on the south shore and were sent in to get a tetnus vaccine/booster before you were able to start because of how badly all of the structures were all torn to hell.





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Me (pretty strung out by this point): ok sir how long has it been since you last had a tetnus booster? STICK. O , actually don't worry about it, I see here from my sheet (looks down at list) it was 3 seconds ago. Great so your all current and good to go, please still work careful, and stay safe whos next?... I promise as shitty as I was being it was definitely going to beat the hell out of the alternative.
 

Red: why did they not contact your parents earlier to tell them that they had to break into your store and take things ?

Blue: why was the claim not 100% of what was owed ? Also do they pay for damages they are responsible for on  the store ?

I have a problem with it. It gives the gov an excuse to take whatever it wants/needs. Have food stored in your basement in case of an emergency? Here comes the gov to take it and pass it out. Have a 4x4? Nope, the gov needs that also. Got a generator? Gas? Water? Letting the gov get away with it one time sets a precedent for it to happen again.

So what do they spend the taxpayer's money on, if they aren't spending it on gear and equipment?

Sure, if you are subject to the law. These people clearly are not

Actually it did absolutely happen once that we all know about during the North hollywood shootout. At some point early on in the fight once they realized they were stuck with 9mm Beretta going up against Full Auto Ak's with shooters who were literally wrapped up in Kevlar a bunch of Officers drove to a gun shop ran inside explained what was going on and as I understand it the owner immediately started slamming boxes of rounds down on the counter and pulling long guns off the wall. It was a true life or death emergency, and that's how all sides treated it, and im sure the owner was compensated very well for his assistance and troubles.





Just to be crystal clear Sandy was absolutely nothing at all like that, eveyone was obviously on edge and the damage was very extensive and absolutely catastrophic in some areas, but we had plenty of warning first of all, and most importantly it became very clear probably by +12-16 hours into it that this was going to be a very serious storm  with massive amounts of property damage and displaced and homeless residents, but that thankfully loss of life was going to be minimal. Everybody was fully aware of that very early on. There was absolutely nothing in that mans store that would even remotely justify what they did even if  I believed they did so out of genuine concern and not stealing which I know wasn't the case.





IM saving most of my pictures for next week but again, September 11th 2001. Massive massive loss of life, complete chaos and panic early on, the primary Incident command center for the city being completely wiped out just out of bad luck of being located in WT. Thousands of people dead 343 First Responders and from what I recall at the time There were reports of exactly one instance of neccissary equipment or material being confiscated by the city without offering immediate reimbusement to the store keeper. That was done by a trio of Firefighters who were trying to treat who knows how many wounded and or dead at the scene who stumbled out of the massive dust cloud and into a Starbucks telling them they needed water and the pimply 20 something bumbling dumbass behind the counter tried to demand that these guys had to stop and pay for the case of water they were about to walk out and back into the storm with. They told him no and then left running right back into that hellhole that they just came out of.





Obviously starbucks offered an immediate apology a day or two later as if anyone even cared about that or the actions of that one dumbass behind a counter. That was pretty much it as I recall.




 
 

Doubtful. They had no legal grounds to be there. Any lawyer worth his salt could have squashed that. Besides, DA highly unlikely to press charges given the circumstances under which they were found. Not to mention, an unscrupulous first responder could walk away with something illegal. What's the owner going to do, report that his illegal XXX is missing?