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Posted: 11/29/2014 5:18:42 PM EDT
So forgive me if there's a thread i've missed, I know there's a lot of them out there with great info, but had some questions about painting an entire receiver barrel and all.
Got the wife an AK finally, she didn't want one of the more expensive ones as she doesn't shoot as much as I do, and she wisely pointed out the value of not running so many rounds through the high dollar ones, she wanted a "shooter" and something that would work for a "truck gun". So I scored an older WASR from another cool arfcommer on the EE, he made me a real good deal and the rifle is in super shape for it's age, trunnion says it's a 1985, GP WASR 10/63. Perfect for the purpose and a great project for me to tinker with as I love doing it. It does have some well-deserved character, some scratches and some worn spots in the finish and I need to correct just a hair of cant in the front sight. Putting some different furniture on it that works better for the wife, may not be correct but will still look great when i'm done. So since paint is cheap, i'm considering giving the whole thing a fresh finish on the outside, I have painted a lot of AK parts with good success, high-temp engine paint works pretty well followed by baking, but again this is mostly small parts i've done. Wondering how it will hold up on the larger surfaces and on the barrel especially, how much sanding/prep is necessary, would bead-blasting be better than trying to sand all the nooks and crannies, is any primer or etching necessary first, and if there's a specific paint that works better than others, if there's a specific protocol for protecting the paint afterwards (oiling etc.), and any warnings about gun cleaning solvents when cleaning it down the road. I know Finslayer has done a bunch, Nictra too and others. Any and all tips greatly appreciated, this was Mrs. Dragynn's birthday present this year and I want to make it super nice for her. Thanks! |
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I've used high temperature ceramic break caliper spray can paint, bought it at Auto Zone or Advance auto parts store. Spray it on, cured in oven then reapply and cure again.
Low cost coating and easy to touch up and reapply. Full disclosure. I didn't do this to a WASR but when I bought a Saiga sport model I did recoat the entire rifle with the caliper paint when I did the conversion. |
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Are you wanting camo or black?
Camo - use krylon as it dries very fast and is durable for what it is. The beauty is that you can touch up as it wears should it bother you. Aervoe will have the best color choices but can be tacky for a while - best used in conjunction with an old oven for curing. The rustoleum stuff blows IMO. No prep other than a quick wipe down with dry cloth. Tape your rear sight and pull the safety and paint it seperate. I also pull the carrier out and stuff a paper towel in the gap. If you want black - the semi gloss engine enamel works great - used it on the draco. Only difference in prep was to wipe down with an alcohol swab to get surface grease off. Bake it or cure it under a heat lamp. |
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Just krylon the bastard.
Take elements from your AO and experiment. It's your canvas. |
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the degrease and prep are important. I degrease, then sweat the rifle in the oven for about 30 mins. That gets all the hidden grease in the pins and center support to come out. Then degrease again, dry and paint.
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Thanks for the replies guys!
Finslayer: I'm just going with black, and I thought I remembered you using the engine paint on the Draco, one of the big reasons I want use it here as I thought the Draco turned out really nice. It's gonna look a little wierd to some, as the Mrs. likes how chicom stocks fit her and leave her head in a better position for a proper cheek weld, but the wood should should look great with a fresh coat of black on the receiver I think. Oven is just barely large enough I can fit the receiver in. Didn't think about the park being a good base for paint, but that's been my experience too on small parts, thanks for pointing that out, now i'm thinking maybe just a brisk rub-down with 0000 steel wool and degreasing for prep. |
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No prep other than a quick wipe down with dry cloth. Tape your rear sight and pull the safety and paint it seperate. I also pull the carrier out and stuff a paper towel in the gap. Why's that? Think about it. If you don't then you are going to have a big safety shaped spot that doesn't get painted. |
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No prep other than a quick wipe down with dry cloth. Tape your rear sight and pull the safety and paint it seperate. I also pull the carrier out and stuff a paper towel in the gap. Why's that? Think about it. If you don't then you are going to have a big safety shaped spot that doesn't get painted. this. if the safety is up or down you won't get full paint coverage on the receiver. |
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I painted the rifle last night, I took the advice of sksmedic and went with appliance epoxy, and it turned out just stunningly well, I used the prep tips here too, and got the whole thing squeaky clean prior to painting, and heated the parts and paint before applying then baking, the rifle looks better than new. I also straightened the front sight block so it's dead-on now, going to do a custom winter/urban tiger strip job on the furniture, will post pics when done, thanks again guys!
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De-greased and painted.......no real special prep. <a href="http://s48.photobucket.com/user/mvician/media/AK47/P1200711_zps7743c002.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f240/mvician/AK47/P1200711_zps7743c002.jpg</a> View Quote Very nice!! |
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Degreased with carb cleaner and painted with auto chassis paint http://oi58.tinypic.com/153l1j7.jpg View Quote Looks like an anteater, but I like it. |
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Degreased and painted. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pptsWH" target="_blank">https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7503/15361843733_71c3c0d595_c.jpg</a>Untitled by ostaF, on Flickr View Quote I like it! Nice job. |
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Degreased and painted. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pptsWH" target="_blank">https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7503/15361843733_71c3c0d595_c.jpg</a>Untitled by ostaF, on Flickr I like it! Nice job. +1 |
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Quoted: Degreased and painted. https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7503/15361843733_71c3c0d595_c.jpgUntitled by ostaF, on Flickr View Quote |
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I tend to over do things, so I took mine down to bare metal with a wire wheel, degreased it with hot water and an auto parts degreaser, dried it thoroughly, applied high heat automotive paint, then baked it in the oven per the instructions on the can. It came out looking like a dark, flat gray so I rub oil into it occasionally to give it a dark, semi-gloss sheen similar to oiled park.
I should have sweated out the grease like an earlier post mentioned, I had some adhesion issues around the rivets caused by either leftover water during painting or old oil seeping out during the bake. Oil doesn't harm it at all, but I've had some come off the front face of the front sight tower, which I believe was caused by Hoppe's 9 being wrung out of patches as they're stuffed into the bore. I wrapped one layer of painters tape around a spent case and gently tapped it into the chamber to keep paint out of the barrel (I just stuffed a piece of paper towel in the muzzle end). |
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I should have sweated out the grease like an earlier post mentioned, I had some adhesion issues around the rivets caused by either leftover water during painting or old oil seeping out during the bake. Oil doesn't harm it at all, but I've had some come off the front face of the front sight tower, which I believe was caused by Hoppe's 9 being wrung out of patches as they're stuffed into the bore. View Quote That was one of the best tips i've seen, I did it and even after heating once and thoroughly degreasing and washing, on the second trip in the oven I still had oil or old cosmo that came out. And not just in riveted areas and seams, the gas tube had some come out from under where the spot-welded handguard retainer area is. Working on painting the wood is next project for me, but had almost a complete set of black plastic furniture, found a Tapco stock cheap and got it in, old rifle looks brand new and actually really good with the black furniture and new black paint job. And of course nothing goes together quite so well as Tapco and WASR's, lol, f**k yeah, 'Murica! |
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Quoted: Was trying to wait until I got the other furniture done, or at least for a day with some good light to take pics, but apparently both are going to take a while. So here's some crappy pics, turned out nice, Mrs. Dragynn really warmed up to it after I got done with the refinishing. The Damage industries brake looks great, it actually has a little taper to it which is hard to see in the pics on their site, nice slim profile looks good with the slim barrel. I replaced the rear sight with a Vepr windage adjustable leaf and I corrected the tiny amount of front sight cant, now need to take it out and see how she shoots! http://oi61.tinypic.com/29z654x.jpg http://oi60.tinypic.com/ivxopf.jpg http://oi58.tinypic.com/jqngcz.jpg View Quote |
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Painted mine today actually.
Used Rust-Oleum Camo spray paint and a sponge. I'm going to let it cure a few days then hit it with a matte clear coat enamel. image hosting gif how to take a screen shot |
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Painted mine today actually. Used Rust-Oleum Camo spray paint and a sponge. I'm going to let it cure a few days then hit it with a matte clear coat enamel. <a href="http://postimage.org/" target="_blank">http://s2.postimg.org/jnp3rft4p/10846080_10204017917701497_5323331395542371902_n.jpg</a> image hosting gif <a href="http://postimage.org/" target="_blank">http://s2.postimg.org/4qgmqffw9/10685604_10204017917741498_7294575772435015013_n.jpg</a> how to take a screen shot View Quote Looks great. Good job |
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Looks like I need to paint my AK and that we need a painted AK pic thread.
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Painted mine today actually. Used Rust-Oleum Camo spray paint and a sponge. I'm going to let it cure a few days then hit it with a matte clear coat enamel. <a href="http://postimage.org/" target="_blank">http://s2.postimg.org/jnp3rft4p/10846080_10204017917701497_5323331395542371902_n.jpg</a> image hosting gif <a href="http://postimage.org/" target="_blank">http://s2.postimg.org/4qgmqffw9/10685604_10204017917741498_7294575772435015013_n.jpg</a> how to take a screen shot View Quote Looks great! That matte clear coat will really make it pop, dang good way to prevent small scratches from digging into the color too, I usually always do that when I paint a stock. |
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Hey guys. What's the durability on all this? 2000 rounds? 3000? Also when you bake, is this oven bake in your oven?
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Tempted to give one of mine a once over. I love that kryptec looking one.
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Quoted: Yep. And actually Mrs. Dragynn doesn't mind it, she's uber cool though, lotta wives might get bent out of shape over it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Also when you bake, is this oven bake in your oven? And Yep. And actually Mrs. Dragynn doesn't mind it, she's uber cool though, lotta wives might get bent out of shape over it. |
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Was trying to wait until I got the other furniture done, or at least for a day with some good light to take pics, but apparently both are going to take a while. So here's some crappy pics, turned out nice, Mrs. Dragynn really warmed up to it after I got done with the refinishing. The Damage industries brake looks great, it actually has a little taper to it which is hard to see in the pics on their site, nice slim profile looks good with the slim barrel. I replaced the rear sight with a Vepr windage adjustable leaf and I corrected the tiny amount of front sight cant, now need to take it out and see how she shoots! http://oi61.tinypic.com/29z654x.jpg http://oi60.tinypic.com/ivxopf.jpg http://oi58.tinypic.com/jqngcz.jpg View Quote Good job. Looks great. Where did you get that sling? |
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Good job. Looks great. Where did you get that sling? View Quote Thanks! Got it right here on the EE a few months ago from another cool arfcommer, I have a couple of them, NOS Romy leather, I really like 'em, they look the best when paired with some nice wood furniture. And I really like to buy from fellow enthusiasts here when I can, lot of benefits to doing so. |
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Rifle looks GREAT !!! Have you had a chance to fire it with the DI brake on it yet ?? Was wondering how you liked it since I just ordered one tonight.
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Dragynn,
All I can say is that is a fine looking AK. Awesome, actually. |
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Installed some laminate furniture I just got done re-finishing, still working on the painted furniture, it's a long process due to multiple colors and having to wait out drying time on each one. Wife really likes the wood better, so this may be how it stays. View Quote Nice job! I assume yours is one of the newer manufactured ones. The markings look pretty straight. Another tip for next time is use a phosphate prep available at the hardware store. It will clean and prep the metal for better paint adhesion. Let us know how the appliance epoxy holds up to solvents. |
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Thanks a lot guys! And much credit to all of y'all that not only replied to my questions in this thread, but in all the other threads in all the sections, i've really learned a lot here in the last couple of years, and been repeatedly inspired to try and be a better craftsman myself.
Merry Christmas to one and all, have a safe and happy holiday, I look forward to another great year in 2015 and my New Year's resolution is to try and not badmouth Arsenal products or aggravate their owners anymore. |
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Quoted: Thanks a lot guys! And much credit to all of y'all that not only replied to my questions in this thread, but in all the other threads in all the sections, i've really learned a lot here in the last couple of years, and been repeatedly inspired to try and be a better craftsman myself. Merry Christmas to one and all, have a safe and happy holiday, I look forward to another great year in 2015 and my New Year's resolution is to try and not badmouth Arsenal products or aggravate their owners anymore. View Quote Well said, and Merry Christmas to you also.
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Quoted: Thanks a lot guys! And much credit to all of y'all that not only replied to my questions in this thread, but in all the other threads in all the sections, i've really learned a lot here in the last couple of years, and been repeatedly inspired to try and be a better craftsman myself. Merry Christmas to one and all, have a safe and happy holiday, I look forward to another great year in 2015 and my New Year's resolution is to try and not badmouth Arsenal products or aggravate their owners anymore. View Quote |
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I've heard good things about Brownell's Aluma-Hyde II and their TCE degreaser. Only issue with this is that you need to let it cure for 2 weeks before handling. Looks like the appliance epoxy turned out pretty smokin' though!
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