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Posted: 12/22/2005 2:15:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/27/2011 11:26:23 PM EST by vermont2nd]
Of all the threads that are tacked, I don't really see any specifically on AR pistol uppers (barrels less the 16"). So, I thought I'd start one. The purpose of this thread is to list manufactuers/links that offer pistol uppers and a summery of their products. The reason I am doing this is, the market is changing, new places offer uppers for AR pistols keep popping up. I read a thread and saw a company that I did not recoginze, but the description of their product seems interesting. I figured that listing a bunch of companies in one thread that offer pistol stuff, it would make a Newbie's search easier....

If anyone has a company, please add it. I'll try to edit my original post so that the information is right on the top posting. (I might creat a few blanks spots right below this post for future expanision incase the original posting gets filled).


Bohica
5.56 barrel lengths from 6.25" to 8.8". Offers an unique gas block that allows custom tuning for different loads or use of suppressor. Also has 50 Beowulf uppers for pistols.
This site also has a chart that shows the different velocities that different barrel lengths have. To view this chart, click here: Velocity from different barrel lengths This is from this perticular company's barrel, so other barrels maybe different, but it gives a indication of what to expect (and for those who are curiouse).

Olympic Arms
.223 6.5" self contained upper that does not require a recoil tube.

Model 1 Sales
7.5"-11.5" AR pistol uppers in 223. A 11.5" 7.62x39 is available. AR pistol parts also (barrels alone)

Gunsmoke Enterprises
8" barreled upper. Barrel only available.
*Questionable dealings- buyer beware (added 5/27/2006)

CMMG, Inc.
Sells DPMS* Kitty Kat uppers (7.5"). Also available 10.3" & 11.5". Used Colt uppers. (sells on site)
*=purchasing the DPMS Kitty Kat upper directly from DPMS is said not to be possible due to "PC" issues.

R Guns (fixed 1.8.2006)
DPMS 7.5" Kitty Kat upper.

MSTN (Mid State Tactical Network)
7.5" upper. 10.5" & 14.5" available (sells on site)

Rock River Arms (RRA)
Direct Link to Pistol section
RRA started to offer complet AR pistols and parts. Above link is to the main page, while the second goes to the pistol section. (added 2/20/2006)

Spikes Tactical AR pistol uppers, sidecharging 9mm uppers, also sells other uppers for .223 pistol, handgun pistol upper (6/10/06)

Custom barrels. Below are some places that have stated they make AR pistol barrels, for you who want a "custom" project. (Please, if I didn't list a company that does this line, it was not intentional... the list is constantly changing & I don't know ALL of them out there...only what I read and have experiance w/).



Teppo Justsu
(Do I really need to say something about Marty's company? Oh wait, this is for Newbies....) Has made vaiouse AR related products. Working on a 7.62x25 cal AR upper (both pistol length and carbine).



Note: Pistol caliber uppers. I know of one or posters that have stated they make a 9mm upper for pistols. Other places that cut barrels down for 9mm AR pistols. I'll have to dig up the posts and look for links. I didn't forget those....

(More links/business will be added.... )



Link Posted: 12/22/2005 2:16:11 AM EST
Tagged. (Space for future expansion)
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 2:16:52 AM EST
(Space for future expansion)
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 2:17:27 AM EST
One more.... (Space for future expansion)
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 2:18:20 AM EST
OKay, LAST ONE! (Space for future expansion. Hey, if 4 spots fills up w/ pistol upper stuff......)
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 2:36:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/22/2005 2:37:58 AM EST by NAM]
(reserved for future space in the future, so it looks like it was in the past, but was really in the future when it was in the past)


a.k.a. tag

ETA: DPMS Kitty Kat

CMMG
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 9:11:39 AM EST
CMMG also sells a 10.3" and 11.5" upper that they build... and they have Colt used and refurb 11.5" uppers.

The Kitty Kat is built by DPMS I believe..
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 1:36:44 PM EST
DPMS has the Kitty Kat.

Sabre sells uppers in 10.5 and 11.5" if memory serves. I got my 11.5" there.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 2:50:04 PM EST
"R" Guns sells the Kitty Kat upper as well, I think his DPMS prices are very good.
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 10:23:59 PM EST
The R guns link does not work.
Link Posted: 1/9/2006 12:55:16 AM EST
rguns does not have the best rep or customer service



Link Posted: 1/9/2006 12:58:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By killingmachine123:
The R guns link does not work.


Fixed.


Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:
rguns does not have the best rep or customer service






No idea... never delt w/ them.
Link Posted: 1/9/2006 1:45:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By Kaliburz:

Originally Posted By killingmachine123:
The R guns link does not work.


Fixed.


Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:
rguns does not have the best rep or customer service






No idea... never delt w/ them.




might as well buy from joken
Link Posted: 1/9/2006 11:01:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/15/2006 10:41:18 PM EST by ecestu]
deleted
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 12:18:41 PM EST
I was wondering about Spike's Tactical? There is another thread about their pistol upper that is side charging.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 3:28:31 PM EST
RRA now has uppers and complete pistols, both 5.56 and 9mm!
Link Posted: 3/1/2006 6:58:40 PM EST
Bushmaster sells an 11.5" upper and barrels. I'm happy with mine.
Link Posted: 3/9/2006 10:42:26 PM EST
Anyone have a pistol build using the Eagle Firearms 11.5" LW upper? Any issues with quality/functioning?
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 12:46:54 AM EST
Should Gunsmoke Enterprises be included in this list of manufacturers/dealers? I found them through this thread, placed an order and later learned they have a horrible reputation. Unfortunately I ended up being burned by them too, I was sold a fake Vortex Flash Hider.

Buyer beware!

1Negative

2 Negative


Link Posted: 5/25/2006 12:12:51 AM EST
just got my AR pistol stuff thru Spikes Tactical, he does have AR pistol uppers, sidecharging 9mm uppers, from what i remember, jarvis machine upper/barrel with a 4 rail freefloat guard with a threaded barrel front with fake can attachment, want to say in the 550-600 range for complete upper, also sells other uppers for .223 pistol, handgun pistol upper and hangun rifle uppers

sales@spikestactical.com
407.928.2666
www.spikestactical.com

website still being worked on, but call him for pricing and ordering, the owner is named mike, great guy, soon to be getting my 4th AR from him and other people on this board have dealt with him
Link Posted: 6/4/2006 8:19:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By lumberjacker:
RRA now has uppers and complete pistols, both 5.56 and 9mm!



Wasn't there a vendor in the EE that had them for sale?
I can't seem to find them.
Link Posted: 6/10/2006 11:22:00 PM EST
ok, I have heard really bad things about gunsmoke Ent. but I finally tried out my pistol buffer that he sent VERY fast and answered email questions VERY fast and it worked great. Just thought I would throw my 2 cents in.
I'm happy and would buy from him again.
Link Posted: 6/12/2006 6:26:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/12/2006 6:27:10 PM EST by five2one]
whoops. deleted.
Link Posted: 6/17/2006 9:20:21 PM EST
Can we please post some links to threads and web pages w/ info on barrel lengths and muzzle velocities for different rounds to aid the arfcommer who is wanting to make a pistol for a certian purpose?

Of particular concern to many is what barrel length is required to ensure fragmentatnio w/ different cartridges.

I am having a hard time finding info on the performance of rounds such as the TAP out of sub 14.5" barrels.

Here are a couple links for military cartridges out of 10" and greater barrels:

#1

#2

#3

Notice they don't seem to give all the exact same data
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 7:50:31 PM EST
M&A Parts Inc.

7" Kit (Complete -/Lower receiver)
Forged Flattop Upper
Aluminum Freefloat Tube
Pistol Buffer
Heavy 1:9 Chrome-Moly Barrel
A2 Hider
Picatinny Gas Block front sight base
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 8:18:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By Kaliburz:
<center><table width=85% border=0><tr><td width=100% class=textQuote><hr height=1px color=black noshade>Originally Posted By killingmachine123:
The R guns link does not work.
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Fixed.

<center><table width=85% border=0><tr><td width=100% class=textQuote><hr height=1px color=black noshade>Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:
rguns does not have the best rep or customer service



<hr height=1px color=black noshade>

No idea... never delt w/ them.


There are 2 entities called RGuns. The one in IL who sends out the fold-out flyer/advertisement I have dealt with and had great service from.
Link Posted: 3/7/2007 9:43:37 AM EST
Is M16.pigtails.com still in Business, their web site and phone# 505.757.3303 doesn't work>>>
JR
Link Posted: 10/2/2007 5:18:14 PM EST
The reason manufacturers are offering 7" barrels is that a carbine barrel can be converted, losing the existing gas port in the process. My 7 1/2 incher from a 20":

Thx!
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 11:54:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By mob:
just got my AR pistol stuff thru Spikes Tactical, he does have AR pistol uppers, sidecharging 9mm uppers, from what i remember, jarvis machine upper/barrel with a 4 rail freefloat guard with a threaded barrel front with fake can attachment, want to say in the 550-600 range for complete upper, also sells other uppers for .223 pistol, handgun pistol upper and hangun rifle uppers

sales@spikestactical.com
407.928.2666
www.spikestactical.com

website still being worked on, but call him for pricing and ordering, the owner is named mike, great guy, soon to be getting my 4th AR from him and other people on this board have dealt with him


+1 for Spike's Tactical
Link Posted: 2/8/2008 7:47:45 PM EST


I linked to the J&T add above but it had limited information on their product line. My new pistol has a Star-15 5.56 lower with the J&T 10.5" crome lined A3 upper and ACE tube. The reason for shareing this pdf file is simple, I had a hard time finding this info and though you may find it informative if you are contemplating any type of build including AR or M60, boy when I saw that it brought back memories of being on a gunboat over in Viet Nam. Hope this is helpful, I saved the whole catalog onto my hard drive.


http://jtdistributing.com/pdf/cat06.pdf
Link Posted: 4/13/2008 12:57:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By KurtsKustom:
The reason manufacturers are offering 7" barrels is that a carbine barrel can be converted, losing the existing gas port in the process. My 7 1/2 incher from a 20":
kurtskustomfirearms.citymax.com/i/section_10960/DEAPistol2.jpg
Thx!


I thought ATF has said no forward grips on pistols?
Link Posted: 4/13/2008 1:55:37 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 12:10:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/21/2009 10:14:14 AM EST by wise_jake]
Ko-tonics / Cardinal Armory

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=234&t=157179

I wanted a short-barreled pistol upper, but I didn't want it in 5.56 (link to original thread). Then Tim answers my prayers and tells the world about his soon-to-be-released 12.5" upper in 6.8 SPC.

There will also be an 8.5" barreled upper in 6.8 for those of you who like 'em even shorter.

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=234&t=159657

=================================================

Alexander Arms

www.alexanderarms.com/siteshopper.htm?cat=15&item=91

6.5 Grendel 10.5" SBR upper

(member "Grendelizor" was the one who let me know about this upper in my original "Variant Calibers For Home Defense..... Out Of Short Barrels?" thread)



[edited 05/21/2009 to reflect Cardinal Armory going out of business last year]
Link Posted: 1/25/2009 3:00:00 PM EST
Please remove www.ar15barrels.com (Randall Rausch) from the links in the first post. His website is not up, and he has a bad reputation - never delivers custom barrels. Some people still have small jobs done by him, but he's completely defaulted on many custom barrel jobs.
Link Posted: 2/21/2009 6:27:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/21/2009 6:36:01 PM EST by poesraven]
Being a NEWBIE to the ARpistol - what exactly does that mean ? About the shorter barrels being modified ?
Also, who does have the most reasonable kits available ? Thanks
Link Posted: 7/14/2009 3:07:52 PM EST
U FORGOT P.O.F. SWEETEST UPPERS YET!
Link Posted: 10/16/2009 4:46:32 PM EST
Originally Posted By GABBYG2:
U FORGOT P.O.F. SWEETEST UPPERS YET!

and a link?

Link Posted: 10/16/2009 4:49:13 PM EST
I see M1 sales says pistols only on the barrels...what if you want to turn it into a form 1 legal SBR later.Are the barrels marked as pistol? Are RRA uppers marked as pistol?
I don't want a upper or barrel marked as pistol if i can't do form 1 SBR at a later time.
Link Posted: 10/20/2009 3:23:21 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 2:42:29 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/3/2009 1:15:22 AM EST
I built a gunsmoke kit on an EA lower with good customer service and no issues with the weapon.
Link Posted: 12/7/2009 10:24:06 PM EST
Anyone know some good sources for short-barrelled uppers in variant calibers?

Tim Hicks (Cardinal Armory) used to be a good source for short-barrelled uppers in 6.8SPC, but he's been out of business for a while now...
Link Posted: 1/28/2010 8:42:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/31/2010 1:07:21 PM EST by mmcbeat]
..........................
Link Posted: 2/28/2010 7:06:06 PM EST
Need to clean up the links.

And if you havent heard, Kurt died. Great man, did great work and his absence is a great loss to the community.
Link Posted: 6/15/2010 11:13:03 AM EST
IIRC J&T makes some great low-prices units
Link Posted: 6/16/2010 10:59:41 PM EST
Originally Posted By BlackRidge:
IIRC J&T makes some great low-prices units


i was looking at a J&T 7.5" pistol kit. what twist rate are their barrels? I'm looking for a 7.5" with a 1x7 twist. i can build one, but if i can buy a kit cheaper then i will go that route.
Link Posted: 6/19/2010 3:19:25 PM EST
Link Posted: 7/16/2010 12:10:45 AM EST
black hole weaponry makes pistol barrels in different lengths: www.blackholeweaponry.com
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 5:37:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/4/2011 4:38:03 PM EST by pcsutton]
Link Posted: 12/28/2010 10:13:56 AM EST
Originally Posted By wise_jake:
Anyone know some good sources for short-barrelled uppers in variant calibers?

Tim Hicks (Cardinal Armory) used to be a good source for short-barrelled uppers in 6.8SPC, but he's been out of business for a while now...


http://cardinalarmory.com/
Link Posted: 1/9/2011 7:54:45 PM EST
Noveske with their Diplomat offerings in 5.56 and 6.8 SPC
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