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We will get more ADM mounts. Will get a ETA on Monday. Already ordered/paid for the optic. Needed something for my next range day, as last one was aggravating. I will give you the upgrade price on the mount when we get them in. Cool. Thank you. |
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We will get more ADM mounts. Will get a ETA on Monday. Already ordered/paid for the optic. Needed something for my next range day, as last one was aggravating. I will give you the upgrade price on the mount when we get them in. Awesome gesture ... I saw they we're OOS as well but in the end decided I may not need it. I am not sure if I do but hopefully if I decide I do I might be extended this offer as well. So far out of the box this PA 4X Prism Scope seems very solid, clear, and overall a damn good optic for the money. Glass looks nice and crisp and crystal clear from what I can tell when I took it out yesterday on crazy bright sunny day. The reticle looks really nice and the illumination settings are perfect for any outside setting and the #11 setting even stand out in a the bright sun so that great. The reticle looks great but being new to optics I was not aware how my slight astigmatism was going to affect this ... It's bothersome a bit but nothing bad ab out the optic just my jacked up right eye! LOL I won;t be able to test this for a while as I don't think I'm gonna get to the range within the next month or two but I will be sure to post my thoughts once I do. But overall if you want a an ACOG'ish scope at a FRACTION of the price with a kick ass looking usable reticle and you are a weekend warrior like me and not invading foreign countries then these PA's seem like a KILLER deal for the price from what I can tell so far (I hope this hold true for when I shoot when it really matters, but out of the box they are noting short of stellar from what I can tell really). Great job PA and I hope to loop up one of those QD mounts for the upgrade price as well if possible. Thanks again. -Chris |
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Glass looks nice and crisp and crystal clear from what I can tell when I took it out yesterday on crazy bright sunny day. The reticle looks really nice and the illumination settings are perfect for any outside setting and the #11 setting even stand out in a the bright sun so that great. View Quote Great to read. So its got good light transmission? One of the things I was discussing on another forum, was with the lighted reticle optics, the glass is "dingy" (not as clear/crisp and usually darker). I see it especially on my Vortex, though, not so much on my PA micro dot. I showed him the one video with the 4x Prism on the AK... there's a long section focused on the roof across the way. Glass looks crisp, clear and bright to me. Though, that's off a video. His wish was for a non-lighted version of the same optic. I like having the option. |
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Great to read. So its got good light transmission? One of the things I was discussing on another forum, was with the lighted reticle optics, the glass is "dingy" (not as clear/crisp and usually darker). I see it especially on my Vortex, though, not so much on my PA micro dot. I showed him the one video with the 4x Prism on the AK... there's a long section focused on the roof across the way. Glass looks crisp, clear and bright to me. Though, that's off a video. His wish was for a non-lighted version of the same optic. I like having the option. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Glass looks nice and crisp and crystal clear from what I can tell when I took it out yesterday on crazy bright sunny day. The reticle looks really nice and the illumination settings are perfect for any outside setting and the #11 setting even stand out in a the bright sun so that great. Great to read. So its got good light transmission? One of the things I was discussing on another forum, was with the lighted reticle optics, the glass is "dingy" (not as clear/crisp and usually darker). I see it especially on my Vortex, though, not so much on my PA micro dot. I showed him the one video with the 4x Prism on the AK... there's a long section focused on the roof across the way. Glass looks crisp, clear and bright to me. Though, that's off a video. His wish was for a non-lighted version of the same optic. I like having the option. You can turn off the illumination and run it black, its how I run it. The glass is superb! You can look out 2000 yards+ and it still looks clear! Dimitri |
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Great to read. So its got good light transmission? One of the things I was discussing on another forum, was with the lighted reticle optics, the glass is "dingy" (not as clear/crisp and usually darker). I see it especially on my Vortex, though, not so much on my PA micro dot. I showed him the one video with the 4x Prism on the AK... there's a long section focused on the roof across the way. Glass looks crisp, clear and bright to me. Though, that's off a video. His wish was for a non-lighted version of the same optic. I like having the option. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Glass looks nice and crisp and crystal clear from what I can tell when I took it out yesterday on crazy bright sunny day. The reticle looks really nice and the illumination settings are perfect for any outside setting and the #11 setting even stand out in a the bright sun so that great. Great to read. So its got good light transmission? One of the things I was discussing on another forum, was with the lighted reticle optics, the glass is "dingy" (not as clear/crisp and usually darker). I see it especially on my Vortex, though, not so much on my PA micro dot. I showed him the one video with the 4x Prism on the AK... there's a long section focused on the roof across the way. Glass looks crisp, clear and bright to me. Though, that's off a video. His wish was for a non-lighted version of the same optic. I like having the option. The glass looks the same to me whether it's off using the etched black reticle or if I turn on the illumination to a nice setting of like 8 or so the glass looks exactly the same and from what I was able to see doesn't change or get dingy like you said at all. I will try this again next time I take it out back to test it more but I think your okay on that part of this optic. Oh ya looks great in the sunlight and like Dimitri said above you can run it with no illumination at all ... and I do agree I may actually run it that way as well, not much need for the illumination on a bright day but it's good to know it's there and like I said the setting #11 in the sunlight is actually "to" bright which is cool cause if you knock it down a few levels it's looks really neat in the daylight to see the reticle with a slight illumination if you prefer. But for sure having the option to have illumination is great and I would not buy one without it ... but I love that they etched the reticle in the glass cause that black etched dot is nice during the day and really doesn't need illumination at all really. Once thing I do wish though on the illumination is I wish the option to have certain parts illuminated and not others. I would prefer to have "Only" the horseshoe and dot illuminated without everything else if possible. currently it's all or nothing ..... that would have been neat to have but still okay I guess. The video is really dead on based on what you saw I think ... Like I have said before I am new to optics so really I have nothing to compare this to but it's perfectly clear to me ... no weird colored lens, everything is bright and crystal clear to me when testing in my backyard looking a few houses down and even up close within 20-30 yards as well ... all colors or correct and overall nice glass. The eye-relief though is a little weird and though it has nice eye relief length there is a small window you need to sit in to get the optic to not fish eye (I think thats the correct term) and have the entire area "open up" so the entire field of view is good ... and I wish that window of area to it right was a little better but maybe that's how these are I guess as opposed to the unlimited eye relief I have seen on the 1X stuff you know. But thats overall is the only thing I kinda didn't like after taking it out back again today to try with my contacts on (I got a slight astigmatism and wanted to see if I get this cleared up and see the reticle better .... it's not 100% but with targets at a good distance it was good, a bit hard to read the numbers etc. still but now bad, .... but like I have said before that has nothing to do with the optic just my own jacked up right eye...lol). I was not able to find much real world user feedback so I am happy to answer any questions anyone may have ... I am very green so really not sure if it;s gonna be good advice or feedback but for me I'll always tell it like is. Hope some of this helps :) |
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I had myself talked into the 2.5x, but I wonder if my 49 year old eyes would prefer the extra magnification. Any thoughts? I typically won't be shooting past 100 yards, 300 yards max. Also, how is this at cqb distances (is this where you acquire the target with both eyes opened)? My AR might also be used for home defense.
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I had myself talked into the 2.5x, but I wonder if my 49 year old eyes would prefer the extra magnification. Any thoughts? I typically won't be shooting past 100 yards, 300 yards max. Also, how is this at cqb distances (is this where you acquire the target with both eyes opened)? My AR might also be used for home defense. View Quote For CQB the 2.5X is a better choice. The reticle is setup for it and 2.5X is much better suited for it than higher magnification. |
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I was debating between the two and I almost went with the 2.5x, because of it. But, the more I thought about it... my AR is not my primary HD weapon. That's a Remington 870 with 7 loaded, 6 strapped and ready to go, always. My AR and Mini-14 (w/ PA fixed base micro dot) are locked in my safe, my sidearm is always close. I'd have to be under a pretty awesome attack, to have a need to get to my safe and grab either 5.56. I sure hope I'd have some cover fire, for that task also. Living in this part of CA, its all desert or farmland (being turned back into desert) and even when you get up into the mountains, ranges greater than 100 yds are commonplace. 200, 300 and beyond. Even a lot of the populated areas are flat and wide-open. The only places I know to go target shooting, are all well over 100 yds. Indoor is the only place you'll find anything less than that. I know SHTF topic makes some people jumpy, but I do look at it, from that perspective. Most would say, if you're outside of 100 yds, move. Get better position. Hide, if you haven't been seen. That wouldn't be an option a lot of times, out here. If you have to move from your location, you are going to end up out in the wide-open, at some point. The AR with the PA 4x Prism, will hopefully fill that role, a 1x red dot won't. I also think it will be a blast at our local range, where we have steel targets out to 550 yds. Out there, none of us shoot at anything inside of 200 yds. That's where the closest steel gong is setup and everyone wants to shoot at, next is at 220, then everything else is 300+ Oh! I found a picture of a local public land we shoot on (they actually still allow it around here). I hope I made the right choice in optic? What do you reckon the range is to that cover? http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff208/twidget59/elk_range01_zps241660e6.jpg~original View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I had myself talked into the 2.5x, but I wonder if my 49 year old eyes would prefer the extra magnification. Any thoughts? I typically won't be shooting past 100 yards, 300 yards max. Also, how is this at cqb distances (is this where you acquire the target with both eyes opened)? My AR might also be used for home defense. For CQB the 2.5X is a better choice. The reticle is setup for it and 2.5X is much better suited for it than higher magnification. I was debating between the two and I almost went with the 2.5x, because of it. But, the more I thought about it... my AR is not my primary HD weapon. That's a Remington 870 with 7 loaded, 6 strapped and ready to go, always. My AR and Mini-14 (w/ PA fixed base micro dot) are locked in my safe, my sidearm is always close. I'd have to be under a pretty awesome attack, to have a need to get to my safe and grab either 5.56. I sure hope I'd have some cover fire, for that task also. Living in this part of CA, its all desert or farmland (being turned back into desert) and even when you get up into the mountains, ranges greater than 100 yds are commonplace. 200, 300 and beyond. Even a lot of the populated areas are flat and wide-open. The only places I know to go target shooting, are all well over 100 yds. Indoor is the only place you'll find anything less than that. I know SHTF topic makes some people jumpy, but I do look at it, from that perspective. Most would say, if you're outside of 100 yds, move. Get better position. Hide, if you haven't been seen. That wouldn't be an option a lot of times, out here. If you have to move from your location, you are going to end up out in the wide-open, at some point. The AR with the PA 4x Prism, will hopefully fill that role, a 1x red dot won't. I also think it will be a blast at our local range, where we have steel targets out to 550 yds. Out there, none of us shoot at anything inside of 200 yds. That's where the closest steel gong is setup and everyone wants to shoot at, next is at 220, then everything else is 300+ Oh! I found a picture of a local public land we shoot on (they actually still allow it around here). I hope I made the right choice in optic? What do you reckon the range is to that cover? http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff208/twidget59/elk_range01_zps241660e6.jpg~original Where is this at? Dimitri |
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Where is this at? Dimitri View Quote This is near Buena Vista Lake and Tule Elk Preserve. But honestly, it could be anywhere. Riverside, Palmdale/Lancaster, Fresno. Most of mid/southern California would look exactly like this, if it weren't for the water, they won't let us have. |
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This is near Buena Vista Lake and Tule Elk Preserve. But honestly, it could be anywhere. Riverside, Palmdale/Lancaster, Fresno. Most of mid/southern California would look exactly like this, if it weren't for the water, they won't let us have. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Where is this at? Dimitri This is near Buena Vista Lake and Tule Elk Preserve. But honestly, it could be anywhere. Riverside, Palmdale/Lancaster, Fresno. Most of mid/southern California would look exactly like this, if it weren't for the water, they won't let us have. LOL ... ya after our massive drought this year Fresno does look basically like this now! :p ... I've been in Fresno and this area for about 20 years now. |
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This is near Buena Vista Lake and Tule Elk Preserve. But honestly, it could be anywhere. Riverside, Palmdale/Lancaster, Fresno. Most of mid/southern California would look exactly like this, if it weren't for the water, they won't let us have. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Where is this at? Dimitri This is near Buena Vista Lake and Tule Elk Preserve. But honestly, it could be anywhere. Riverside, Palmdale/Lancaster, Fresno. Most of mid/southern California would look exactly like this, if it weren't for the water, they won't let us have. reason I asked it looks just like the desert near me your right! Dimitri |
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I knew you were here in CA. Judging from your videos, I assumed you were up north, towards Sonora, Sonoma, etc...
Edit: OMG! I'm at Wal-Mart and my brand new optic is at home, all alone! (just arrived) Edit II: Update with lots of pics! |
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Any more clarity on when we'll see the .300BLK / 7.62x39 versions? My SKS bullpup build is dying for a 4x...
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If anyone is interested, I did both an inboxing review and a range review for the 4x Prism.
IMO, you can not beat this optic, in this price range, for its intended purpose. Engaging targets with speed and accuracy at ranges (in my experience) 100 - 600+ yds.. Clarity of glass/focus thru the whole sight picture is clear and sharp. The reticle is stupid easy to use. Don't even have to think really, range adjustments and corrections for wind are so easy. I had the advantage of knowing the ranges to the steel I was shooting at, but that meant I was able to quickly put the target on that line and put rnds on target, typically first shot. I know after zero, my first shot at 400 yds was dead on *DING*. At least 9/10 from every mag, was on target at that range... Primary Arms 4x Prism Range Review (50 yds to 550 yds) |
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Any ETA on the ADM mounts?
I really want to order one of these with the ADM mount option and a killflash as soon as possible. With my luck the scope will go out of stock when you get the mounts back in. |
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Any ETA on the ADM mounts? I really want to order one of these with the ADM mount option and a killflash as soon as possible. With my luck the scope will go out of stock when you get the mounts back in. View Quote Today. I signed up for the email alert, when they get them back in stock. Email came this morning and I ordered mine already. Hopefully be here this week. |
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Any ETA on the ADM mounts? I really want to order one of these with the ADM mount option and a killflash as soon as possible. With my luck the scope will go out of stock when you get the mounts back in. Today. I signed up for the email alert, when they get them back in stock. Email came this morning and I ordered mine already. Hopefully be here this week. Your talking about the mounts not the scope right? Dimitri |
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My newest Elk gunwith a 4x up top! https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-sMO2mN3bhVg/U6M6TrvEV1I/AAAAAAAAK1E/1O1o3DmUFm4/w1236-h695-no/IMG_20140619_123008256.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CG1dILWvptc/U6M6YNPi6NI/AAAAAAAAK1Q/HpwxR9Fm_U4/w1236-h695-no/IMG_20140619_123034389.jpg View Quote Nice would love to see a range report shooting off the quad handle bars. -Dimitri |
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Just a reminder to everyone to tighten and Loctite their bases (the 2 screws that attach from the bottom to the scope). I have the vanilla PA mount and it came loose right after I had it sighted in; was not remotely happy it happened but the RO was kind enough to give me some Loctite and a wrench. Bunch more shots and waiting through another ceasefire, and it was back to where it was; hopefully it won't loosen up again.
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Just a reminder to everyone to tighten and Loctite their bases (the 2 screws that attach from the bottom to the scope). I have the vanilla PA mount and it came loose right after I had it sighted in; was not remotely happy it happened but the RO was kind enough to give me some Loctite and a wrench. Bunch more shots and waiting through another ceasefire, and it was back to where it was; hopefully it won't loosen up again. Also beware that the vanilla PA mount is incredibly soft - wrench coming into slight contact with the base while tightening (I usually use a flathead but that wasn't available) gave it a couple gouges and shaved some material off. View Quote After locktight it will not come loose again. -Dimitri |
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Well, Dimitri already answered, but he's PA... he wants a sale. Yes, the FSB does ghost out. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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does the FSB ghost out with the 4x? Well, Dimitri already answered, but he's PA... he wants a sale. Yes, the FSB does ghost out. What drives me is range reports, hearing how peoples wives are out shooting all the tacticool guys at the range does it for me, or hearing how a Marine or Soldier loves the scope and it works as advertised. Dimitri |
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I'm seeing a number of you with the scope mounted all the way rearward in the ADM AD-B3 mount (ex. pics on PA website & medicman5000 on pg9). How are you accomplishing this? The screw holes on the scope mount don't line up with those in the ADM mount except for the ones that cut into each other to form an "8".
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I'm seeing a number of you with the scope mounted all the way rearward in the ADM AD-B3 mount (ex. pics on PA website & medicman5000 on pg9). How are you accomplishing this? The screw holes on the scope mount don't line up with those in the ADM mount except for the ones that cut into each other to form an "8". View Quote I enlarged the rear hole in the ADM mount with a dremel and carbide cutter. Kinda oval it out just enough to clear the screw hole. Not much material is removed. Hope that helps. |
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any updates when these will be available for order? Should be here early next month Dimitri Sounds good, I was thinking about the 2.5 but honestly with my 20" I think I'd like the 4x better and just get a micro for the top. |
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any updates when these will be available for order? Should be here early next month Dimitri Sounds good, I was thinking about the 2.5 but honestly with my 20" I think I'd like the 4x better and just get a micro for the top. For a 20" I run the 4-14XFFP soon to be out, it lines up with 75-77 gr perfect out a ways!! Read through it and click on all the pics. This is best for DMR https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_4_14X44_FFP_Scope_with_308_p/pa4-14xffp308.htm Another great option is the 1-6X ACSS best for running and gunning but still have the ability to shoot further out. https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_1_6X_Scope_with_Patented_ACSS_Reticle_p/paps1-6x.htm And last the 4X as you said, it would be a better choice for a 20" instead of 2.5X allowing you to reach out to 800 yards! Dimitri |
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Sorry if this has been asked already, but does the base have two mounting holes [like the ACOG or the 2.5x] or just one?
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I got the email notifying me that this is in stock about an hour ago. I ordered one and already got the notification that it shipped! I can't wait to try it out.
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Sorry if this has been asked already, but does the base have two mounting holes [like the ACOG or the 2.5x] or just one? Two. Will fit on any full size Acog base I assumed any ACOG base would fit. I'm just thinking about the 4x as an optic for a M16A1 clone I just built and want to be able to adjust it back if I need more eye relief (I don't like shooting NTCH). I've seen pics of the 2.5x in both fore and aft positions but not the 4x. |
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Sorry if this has been asked already, but does the base have two mounting holes [like the ACOG or the 2.5x] or just one? Two. Will fit on any full size Acog base I assumed any ACOG base would fit. I'm just thinking about the 4x as an optic for a M16A1 clone I just built and want to be able to adjust it back if I need more eye relief (I don't like shooting NTCH). I've seen pics of the 2.5x in both fore and aft positions but not the 4x. Their bodies are almost identical the 2.5X is a hair smaller. Dimitri |
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New guy, first post. Glad I read the whole thread, as I just got my 4x in, and was lacking some instruction on how to use the reticle. Downloaded the 2 pages posted earlier, and now I feel I'm GTG. One question about the mounts: does the ADM mount allow the scope to sit lower than the standard mount, or are they about the same? It looks lower, from some of the pics, which is what I want. I have about 5-6mm to spare until I'm right above the rear sight. As a point of reference, I'm running this on a PTR91 with MFI rail. Thanks, and glad to be here. I joined because of the Primary Arms subforum, but I'm sure I'll learn a bunch from the other areas too.
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New guy, first post. Glad I read the whole thread, as I just got my 4x in, and was lacking some instruction on how to use the reticle. Downloaded the 2 pages posted earlier, and now I feel I'm GTG. One question about the mounts: does the ADM mount allow the scope to sit lower than the standard mount, or are they about the same? It looks lower, from some of the pics, which is what I want. I have about 5-6mm to spare until I'm right above the rear sight. As a point of reference, I'm running this on a PTR91 with MFI rail. Thanks, and glad to be here. I joined because of the Primary Arms subforum, but I'm sure I'll learn a bunch from the other areas too. View Quote I believe its the same sight height -Dimitri |
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