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Originally Posted By mettee: You could try the 46 caliber front cap first. If that changes anything go from there. It's most likely back pressure related, which causes more bolt speed, the ports can only do so much to flow then pressure takes over. Your bolt is bouncing and back forward faster than normal. Next option will be spring and buffer changes. That AAC 150 says 2850 muzzle velocity which is somewhat hotter given m80 ball is about 2800 for a 147 grn. View Quote I only run the 46 cap. I know it's not as efficient, but they want too much $$ for their end caps for me to buy more; especially when you see the db change is minimal. I appreciate the input brother. I'm gonna play with it some more with M80. Wouldn't unsuppressed mode be even faster then (bolt speed wise), being it's wide open? I assumed suppressed "mode" closed the port size down to reduce gas in the system? |
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Originally Posted By mettee: Well yes and no depending on if you have the can installed in both switch positions. The suppressed port is small, and the normal port is about twice its size. Switching to the unsuppressed setting with the can on with multiply the issue View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mettee: Originally Posted By Muad: I only run the 46 cap. I know it's not as efficient, but they want too much $$ for their end caps for me to buy more; especially when you see the db change is minimal. I appreciate the input brother. I'm gonna play with it some more with M80. Wouldn't unsuppressed mode be even faster then (bolt speed wise), being it's wide open? I assumed suppressed "mode" closed the port size down to reduce gas in the system? Well yes and no depending on if you have the can installed in both switch positions. The suppressed port is small, and the normal port is about twice its size. Switching to the unsuppressed setting with the can on with multiply the issue That's the thing, it runs 100% with my can installed and the GB in the unsuppressed setting. Moving the GB to the suppressed setting causes the issues. So far the only ammo I've shot was the AAC 150gr black tip. After work today I'm going to try and test this same scenario with Fed M80 and see if it reproduces. Sorry the thread jack all! |
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Originally Posted By Muad: That's the thing, it runs 100% with my can installed and the GB in the unsuppressed setting. Moving the GB to the suppressed setting causes the issues. So far the only ammo I've shot was the AAC 150gr black tip. After work today I'm going to try and test this same scenario with Fed M80 and see if it reproduces. Sorry the thread jack all! View Quote This is what we are here for. Okay that makes more sense now, while not making sense So now I'm thinking you don't have enough gas to cycle the action. Could try smaller end cap and or a lighter buffer and or spring, but I would rather you use the end cap so the gun functions without the can reliably. I added two photos to my post above. |
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Originally Posted By mettee: This is what we are here for. Okay that makes more sense now, while not making sense So now I'm thinking you don't have enough gas to cycle the action. Could try smaller end cap and or a lighter buffer and or spring, but I would rather you use the end cap so the gun functions without the can reliably. I added two photos to my post above. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mettee: Originally Posted By Muad: That's the thing, it runs 100% with my can installed and the GB in the unsuppressed setting. Moving the GB to the suppressed setting causes the issues. So far the only ammo I've shot was the AAC 150gr black tip. After work today I'm going to try and test this same scenario with Fed M80 and see if it reproduces. Sorry the thread jack all! This is what we are here for. Okay that makes more sense now, while not making sense So now I'm thinking you don't have enough gas to cycle the action. Could try smaller end cap and or a lighter buffer and or spring, but I would rather you use the end cap so the gun functions without the can reliably. I added two photos to my post above. Thanks man!! Yeah, that's a big difference. My plan is to get the TranQuilo down the road for my .308/6.5CM LT rifles. I might order the .308 end cap, hopefully my local dealer can get a good price (he beats most for the ASR mounts with my "LE" discount). I'm not LE, but take care of them so he hooks me up ;) |
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I just think the smaller cap is the least intrusive modification you can make here.
I think this may be happening in the Hybrid 46 due to the larger internal volume, maybe...ETA: 1.5 diameter and 7.5" length is average... |
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Originally Posted By mettee: I just think the smaller cap is the least intrusive modification you can make here. I think this may be happening in the Hybrid 46 due to the larger internal volume, maybe... View Quote Word. I see SilencerCo has a three cap bundle (223/30cal/9mm), just sent a message to my dealer. |
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Originally Posted By Defender3: RIP Marine. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/52736/0E68D437-8633-4430-9DD2-28E806DFFE4D_JPG-3127630.jpg View Quote RIP |
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Originally Posted By Muad: Not a 260 tOBR, but my .308 16" was doing the same thing with my Hybrid 46 attached (feeding failure and a stovepipe on the suppressed setting, ran fine on unsuppressed). I attributed it to possible the AAC 150gr black tip ammo I was using. This rifle is new to me, but the original owner stated only 240 rounds fired. Any tips? I see you took your gas block apart? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By DuneShoot: That was quick. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/sawtooth_arca_jpg-3129267.JPG View Quote "Dependabilt"? |
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Kind of weird was my thought as well.
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Originally Posted By DuneShoot: No real tips I can offer other than what worked for me. Yes the gas block comes apart pretty easy. Remove snap ring and pull it forward. There will be a ball (for the detent) and s spring in there. Remove the switch itself and see if it or the gas block hole is plugged. Mine was almost fully plugged. It should have fixed my issue but I have not tried it yet. You could also see what buffer and spring you're using. I had teh slash heavy buffer when it was a .308 and it ran fine with a SiCo Omega suppressor. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DuneShoot: Originally Posted By Muad: Not a 260 tOBR, but my .308 16" was doing the same thing with my Hybrid 46 attached (feeding failure and a stovepipe on the suppressed setting, ran fine on unsuppressed). I attributed it to possible the AAC 150gr black tip ammo I was using. This rifle is new to me, but the original owner stated only 240 rounds fired. Any tips? I see you took your gas block apart? Thanks!!! This rifle has less than 300 rounds down the tube, and only 20 or so suppressed so far. I would hope it's not plugged yet, but I'll check. Mine seems to have a SpringCo Red and H2 buffer installed. From doing more reading, it sounds like the "suppressed" setting is tubed to the TranQuilo or Surefire cans. While I hope to add a TranQuilo at some point, the Hybrid 46 is what I have. Running on the unsuppressed setting is fine for now. |
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Originally Posted By DuneShoot: That was quick. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/sawtooth_arca_jpg-3129267.JPG View Quote They are very nice rails, I have the RRS mount that works with the detents. its really a nice piece. I like the extra rigidity it provides(long rail). |
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Originally Posted By Muad: Thanks!!! This rifle has less than 300 rounds down the tube, and only 20 or so suppressed so far. I would hope it's not plugged yet, but I'll check. Mine seems to have a SpringCo Red and H2 buffer installed. From doing more reading, it sounds like the "suppressed" setting is tubed to the TranQuilo or Surefire cans. While I hope to add a TranQuilo at some point, the Hybrid 46 is what I have. Running on the unsuppressed setting is fine for now. View Quote The more I think about it, I had to run the socom mini in unsuppressed too. |
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Originally Posted By mettee: The more I think about it, I had to run the socom mini in unsuppressed too. View Quote I went to order the front caps for .22, .30, and 9mm from my dealer, but the .30 cal was out of stock - which is the main one I need for the tOBR and Siete. Does the spring and buffer sound right though (SpringCo Red with H2)? Is that what LT shipped them with? |
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Originally Posted By Muad: I went to order the front caps for .22, .30, and 9mm from my dealer, but the .30 cal was out of stock - which is the main one I need for the tOBR and Siete. Does the spring and buffer sound right though (SpringCo Red with H2)? Is that what LT shipped them with? View Quote Yes for sure that is correct, that is what mine had |
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How can a different sized end cap make that much difference in cycling?
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Originally Posted By mettee: They are very nice rails, I have the RRS mount that works with the detents. its really a nice piece. I like the extra rigidity it provides(long rail). View Quote Used in an RRS clamp. The Pic to ARCA adaptor I've been using slips under recoil on the Costa. Added electrical tape to fix it. It's a CRETAC. |
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Originally Posted By mettee: Dont they call them Dependa-potomus' View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mettee: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: A "dependa" is what the spouse of a service member is called. Dependent is the non-slander noun. Dont they call them Dependa-potomus' Yes. Dependa is just shorthand. |
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Originally Posted By DuneShoot: How can a different sized end cap make that much difference in cycling? View Quote Increase and decrease back pressure. In this case it seems that he needs just slightly more back pressure to operate in the suppressed setting. In order to get the rifle to function he needs to keep it in the unsuppressed setting. |
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My question stands
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So, I wanted to update the thread after shooting some Fed XM80 out of the tOBR today.
With my Hybrid 46 installed and the PST set to suppressed - 100% function with brass at the 3-4 o'clock position. I only shot 20 rounds, but when I was having the issue the other day it was instantaneous. Every shot caused a failure. This tells me the issue was the AAC ammo not being loaded as "hot" as milspec 7.62x51. I'll be testing with some more factory loads when time allows. |
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Good news!
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Man that ammo must be soft
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Ran 5 rounds quickly through the 260 today, it ran as it used to, perfectly with the cleaned PST gas block.
Tried the new ARCA rail on the Costa. I usually like them at the front of the hand guard but I had issues getting the rail off. Front screw is rounded out. I'm usually pretty careful with these types of screws but this one is in there! Even broke my torx bit. Not sure how to remove it without ruining the pic rail. To small to cut a groove in it for a flat head screwdriver unless I cut into the rail. Attached File Where the ARCA is actually wasn't that bad, just couldn't fully extend my support hand to the tripod head. Attached File Attached File This rifle is super gassy, chokes me out and spits oil in my face. Attached File Picked up a new to me Colt lightweight. Build in 2016'ish. Attached File |
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Drill the head off. Sometimes you can then back out the broken off bit since there's no more tension. If not, then grind a slot in it and spin it out with a screwdriver. It might have Loctite on it so some heat may be necessary.
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Drill the head off. Sometimes you can then back out the broken off bit since there's no more tension. If not, then grind a slot in it and spin it out with a screwdriver. It might have Loctite on it so some heat may be necessary. View Quote Will try that tomorrow. |
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Originally Posted By DuneShoot: Will try that tomorrow. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DuneShoot: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Drill the head off. Sometimes you can then back out the broken off bit since there's no more tension. If not, then grind a slot in it and spin it out with a screwdriver. It might have Loctite on it so some heat may be necessary. Will try that tomorrow. Worst case is you just can't use that last hole anymore but you'll be able to get the pic rail off and slide your Arca further out. Got any machinist friends? They'd have it out in no time. |
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Drill the head out and use an EZ out (the type you tap in with a hammer). Have gad too luck with those on stubborn/stripped gas block set screws, etc.
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Originally Posted By DuneShoot: Ran 5 rounds quickly through the 260 today, it ran as it used to, perfectly with the cleaned PST gas block. Tried the new ARCA rail on the Costa. I usually like them at the front of the hand guard but I had issues getting the rail off. Front screw is rounded out. I'm usually pretty careful with these types of screws but this one is in there! Even broke my torx bit. Not sure how to remove it without ruining the pic rail. To small to cut a groove in it for a flat head screwdriver unless I cut into the rail. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9883_jpg-3133423.JPG Where the ARCA is actually wasn't that bad, just couldn't fully extend my support hand to the tripod head. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9889_jpg-3133429.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9890_jpg-3133431.JPG This rifle is super gassy, chokes me out and spits oil in my face. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9891_jpg-3133430.JPG Picked up a new to me Colt lightweight. Build in 2016'ish. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9886_jpg-3133417.JPG View Quote I suck shooting off of a tripod. Had a guy shooting an A1 at the PSCL match this month. He had a rough time using them irons. Compass Lake will be finishing my barrels shortly. Hopefully I can get the 260 back and running. |
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Originally Posted By Defender3: I suck off a tripod. Had a guy shooting an A1 at the PSCL match this month. He had a rough time using them irons. Compass Lake will be finishing my barrels shortly. Hopefully I can get the 260 back and running. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Defender3: Originally Posted By DuneShoot: Ran 5 rounds quickly through the 260 today, it ran as it used to, perfectly with the cleaned PST gas block. Tried the new ARCA rail on the Costa. I usually like them at the front of the hand guard but I had issues getting the rail off. Front screw is rounded out. I'm usually pretty careful with these types of screws but this one is in there! Even broke my torx bit. Not sure how to remove it without ruining the pic rail. To small to cut a groove in it for a flat head screwdriver unless I cut into the rail. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9883_jpg-3133423.JPG Where the ARCA is actually wasn't that bad, just couldn't fully extend my support hand to the tripod head. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9889_jpg-3133429.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9890_jpg-3133431.JPG This rifle is super gassy, chokes me out and spits oil in my face. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9891_jpg-3133430.JPG Picked up a new to me Colt lightweight. Build in 2016'ish. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9886_jpg-3133417.JPG I suck off a tripod. Had a guy shooting an A1 at the PSCL match this month. He had a rough time using them irons. Compass Lake will be finishing my barrels shortly. Hopefully I can get the 260 back and running. I know we don't kink shame...but that's kinda weird. |
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: I know we don't kink shame...but that's kinda weird. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By Defender3: Originally Posted By DuneShoot: Ran 5 rounds quickly through the 260 today, it ran as it used to, perfectly with the cleaned PST gas block. Tried the new ARCA rail on the Costa. I usually like them at the front of the hand guard but I had issues getting the rail off. Front screw is rounded out. I'm usually pretty careful with these types of screws but this one is in there! Even broke my torx bit. Not sure how to remove it without ruining the pic rail. To small to cut a groove in it for a flat head screwdriver unless I cut into the rail. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9883_jpg-3133423.JPG Where the ARCA is actually wasn't that bad, just couldn't fully extend my support hand to the tripod head. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9889_jpg-3133429.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9890_jpg-3133431.JPG This rifle is super gassy, chokes me out and spits oil in my face. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9891_jpg-3133430.JPG Picked up a new to me Colt lightweight. Build in 2016'ish. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9886_jpg-3133417.JPG I suck off a tripod. Had a guy shooting an A1 at the PSCL match this month. He had a rough time using them irons. Compass Lake will be finishing my barrels shortly. Hopefully I can get the 260 back and running. I know we don't kink shame...but that's kinda weird. Only your mind would go there... |
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Originally Posted By Defender3: Only your mind would go there... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Defender3: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By Defender3: Originally Posted By DuneShoot: Ran 5 rounds quickly through the 260 today, it ran as it used to, perfectly with the cleaned PST gas block. Tried the new ARCA rail on the Costa. I usually like them at the front of the hand guard but I had issues getting the rail off. Front screw is rounded out. I'm usually pretty careful with these types of screws but this one is in there! Even broke my torx bit. Not sure how to remove it without ruining the pic rail. To small to cut a groove in it for a flat head screwdriver unless I cut into the rail. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9883_jpg-3133423.JPG Where the ARCA is actually wasn't that bad, just couldn't fully extend my support hand to the tripod head. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9889_jpg-3133429.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9890_jpg-3133431.JPG This rifle is super gassy, chokes me out and spits oil in my face. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9891_jpg-3133430.JPG Picked up a new to me Colt lightweight. Build in 2016'ish. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9886_jpg-3133417.JPG I suck off a tripod. Had a guy shooting an A1 at the PSCL match this month. He had a rough time using them irons. Compass Lake will be finishing my barrels shortly. Hopefully I can get the 260 back and running. I know we don't kink shame...but that's kinda weird. Only your mind would go there... I was born in the gutter and never left. |
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: I was born in the gutter and never left. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By Defender3: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By Defender3: Originally Posted By DuneShoot: Ran 5 rounds quickly through the 260 today, it ran as it used to, perfectly with the cleaned PST gas block. Tried the new ARCA rail on the Costa. I usually like them at the front of the hand guard but I had issues getting the rail off. Front screw is rounded out. I'm usually pretty careful with these types of screws but this one is in there! Even broke my torx bit. Not sure how to remove it without ruining the pic rail. To small to cut a groove in it for a flat head screwdriver unless I cut into the rail. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9883_jpg-3133423.JPG Where the ARCA is actually wasn't that bad, just couldn't fully extend my support hand to the tripod head. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9889_jpg-3133429.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9890_jpg-3133431.JPG This rifle is super gassy, chokes me out and spits oil in my face. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9891_jpg-3133430.JPG Picked up a new to me Colt lightweight. Build in 2016'ish. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247601/IMG_9886_jpg-3133417.JPG I suck off a tripod. Had a guy shooting an A1 at the PSCL match this month. He had a rough time using them irons. Compass Lake will be finishing my barrels shortly. Hopefully I can get the 260 back and running. I know we don't kink shame...but that's kinda weird. Only your mind would go there... I was born in the gutter and never left. I hear admission is the first step in recovery. |
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Originally Posted By DuneShoot: Will try that tomorrow. View Quote Tap the next sized torx bit into the socket, then heat it up with a torch, it should back out, just make sure the torx bit is actually taken a good bite. There is loctite holding that screw, you need to compromise the bond with heat. You may also be able to get to the back of the screw to apply heat there. |
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Originally Posted By mettee: Tap the next sized torx bit into the socket, then heat it up with a torch, it should back out, just make sure the torx bit is actually taken a good bite. There is loctite holding that screw, you need to compromise the bond with heat. You may also be able to get to the back of the screw to apply heat there. View Quote I have used this technique before. Works on those damn wheel lug nut locks when you loose it. Pound a tire wrench on top of it. |
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Originally Posted By Defender3: I suck shooting off of a tripod. Had a guy shooting an A1 at the PSCL match this month. He had a rough time using them irons. Compass Lake will be finishing my barrels shortly. Hopefully I can get the 260 back and running. View Quote The next time you try a tripod, see if you can set up a "gas peddle," I got that from the one video on youtube from funker when they are shooting with canuuuk sf guys. They ran a rope from the front bipod area to the buttstock area, then you wrap that rope around your foot and push down. I tried it off the side of a hill and it works very well. 2:13 minute mark Snipers & Precision Shooters | A Simple Trick You Need to Know |
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Tried hammering in the next size torx and heat, no luck. Drilled through it then use a left hand drill bit, came right out.
This rifle is super gassy with a Sandman S suppressor. This is after 60 rounds. BCG was caked. Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Defender3: Got a bunch of these from the ADCO fund raiser, I like them and prefer the orange over the black. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG_0223-3134756.jpg View Quote Those look awesome. I thought about snagging some, but all my uppers have lowers. |
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Big fan of inline fab stuff.
I decided to make my own custom handle for the 550, shorter and slightly bent forward. |
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No, I'm a Tundra guy. Sorry, but when I saw this, I couldn't help myself, sorry Jeep Bros.
Still thinking I may need a Zero. 3 Jeeps destroyed in 3 seconds! |
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