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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:32:32 AM EDT
[#1]
Dang.. horrible news.
As others have previously posted here, the first thing that came to my mind, was the Skyway Bridge collapse over Tampa Bay. That was a huge disaster. Never forget that. Looking at the video it appears visibility was very clear? |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:32:33 AM EDT
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Just a question, does the USN use that harbor?
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:33:13 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stlrain0341: Longer video that shows the "before." Certainly seems that it steered right into the support column. Bridge went down immediately. link
Whomever was piloting that ship steered directly for the support column.  |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:33:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Colt_sporter: From watching the video, it appears to me, the ship lost power just prior to hitting the bridge. Looks like they got power back, but who knows if they had propulsion and steering. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/24640/IMG_5547_png-3169723.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/24640/IMG_5549_png-3169724.JPG |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:33:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: The lights going out means power failure which means steering failure. There may have been some incompetence also by intending to pass too close to the pier to have time to restore steering in the event of a problem. There's no reason to think terrorism. I'm not saying one can conclude it was terrorism from the current data, but there are tons of reasons to suspect terrorism as a possibility in this situation. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:34:09 AM EDT
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:36:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SamBoga]
[#7]
Wonder how many ships are now trapped in port, unable to get out. Baltimore is really screwed now with the port shut down.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:36:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJE: Thank goodness he's on the case. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:37:26 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stillnothere: Damn, this is not going to be good. Not an engineer, but that seems like a poor bridge design. Sorry, we didn’t account for a massive ship ramming the bridge. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:39:47 AM EDT
[#10]
Boat is going down diesel fuel in the water
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:51:12 AM EDT
[#11]
Nightmare fuel.
I’m guessing if there had been communication from the ship I.e mayday mayday it would have made the news Captain hindsight mode actually no, a serious question why not have protection in front of the supports like road bridges do? |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:51:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Pesty]
[#12]
Double tap
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:52:00 AM EDT
[#13]
Chinese dog shit carrier?
Guess the ATF isn't going to get their glock switches after all. People never realize just how easy it is to wipe out critical infrastructure that isn't easily repaired in a short period of time. Maybe we should..................... I hope the loss of life is low, at that hour it's possible, certainly if it had happened at rush hour the loss of life would have been far greater. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:53:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jinxsters: Ship hit it allegedly?
Holy fuck! 
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:54:02 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fxntime: Chinese dog shit carrier? Guess the ATF isn't going to get their glock switches after all. People never realize just how easy it is to wipe out critical infrastructure that isn't easily repaired in a short period of time. Maybe we should..................... I hope the loss of life is low, at that hour it's possible, certainly if it had happened at rush hour the loss of life would have been far greater. It was leaving port , so the ATF gotz thur switchazzz |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:54:07 AM EDT
[#16]
Damn.
Horrific. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:56:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: _Matt_]
[#17]
Damn
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:56:48 AM EDT
[#18]
Guarantee you the new Freddie Gray Memorial Bridge will look like the replacement Skyway Bridge.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:57:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:57:38 AM EDT
[#20]
The Baltimore beltway traffic is going to be epic
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MO, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:57:45 AM EDT
[#21]
95000 gross tonnage moving at even 10kt is a whole lot of stuff to stop.
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MO, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:58:23 AM EDT
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https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-76.535/centery:39.223/zoom:14
Track of the ship leaving pier... kick to starboard right before stopping. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:59:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: brass]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mitchellh: Whomever was piloting that ship steered directly for the support column. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mitchellh: Originally Posted By Stlrain0341: Longer video that shows the "before." Certainly seems that it steered right into the support column. Bridge went down immediately. link
Whomever was piloting that ship steered directly for the support column. I just posted this in the last page with an edit... Looking at it, the utility/marker pylons have the ablative ring islands, and there are pylons in the water straight inline with the main pylons on both upstream/downstream traffic sides and so it looks like the ship would have had to do some creative steering to actually hit the pylon head on like that, or at the angle it did, can't really see which way the ship was oriented when it hit, should have been stopped by something before it got to main pylon but they should still put the ring islands around the main pylons, or all that can't withstand the loss of a single pylon in support.  |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:00:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uafgrad: Big ass boat drove into one of the support pillars I would have to believe, that would cause failure in most span bridges Bridges are strong enough to carry the expected loads in the expected directions with some safety margin. They are not designed to resist getting smacked by a 100,000 ton container ship. Not much is. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:01:47 AM EDT
[#25]
I use that bridge every day now my ride from work is fucked now
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:02:07 AM EDT
[#26]
One has to wonder if, before the strike, the ship radioed ANYONE and declared an emergency due to loss of power or rudder control. One would think they could have or should have but it'll be interesting to see if they actually did.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:02:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: This. Bridges are strong enough to carry the expected loads in the expected directions with some safety margin. They are not designed to resist getting smacked by a 100,000 ton container ship. Not much is. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By uafgrad: Big ass boat drove into one of the support pillars I would have to believe, that would cause failure in most span bridges Bridges are strong enough to carry the expected loads in the expected directions with some safety margin. They are not designed to resist getting smacked by a 100,000 ton container ship. Not much is. This one was allegedly able to either block or withstand an impact as it was rated clear for HAZMAT Traffic on the roadway. That is usually reserved for things that won't fail easily. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:04:10 AM EDT
[#28]
I wasn’t born yet but this reminds me of the skyway bridge collapse. It was still talked a lot about when I was a kid.
Condolences and prayers
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:04:34 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jimmmy1111: I use that bridge every day now my ride from work is fucked now Sorry the collapse of a major bridge, deaths, and the closure of a major port has messed up your commute. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:06:55 AM EDT
[#30]
I'm not jumping to conclusions, but hitting that support head on seems like a very unlikely thing to happen by pure accident.
All I can do right now is pray for the those lost....and hope this was simply a tragic accident. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:09:13 AM EDT
[#31]
That went down WAY too easy
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:09:44 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macro: I'm not jumping to conclusions, but hitting that support head on seems like a very unlikely thing to happen by pure accident. All I can do right now is pray for the those lost....and hope this was simply a tragic accident. Reports are that there was an explosion in the engineering spaces about a minute before the ship hit the bridge. They may have been unable to steer the ship. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:10:17 AM EDT
[#33]
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:11:24 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mitchellh: Whomever was piloting that ship steered directly for the support column. There was obviously a power failure on the ship prior to impact. You see most of the ship go dark. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:11:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RealityCheck0311: That's insane. I thought just a small part collapsed, this is catastrophic. It's going to be years before they remove the old bridge and build a new one. All of the shipping lanes will be cut off in that harbor. What about Hazmat? You can't transport it through enclosed tunnels, the bridge was the only route. Part right. I bet the Army Corps of Engineers and the USCG have at least the main channel clear inside three months. The approach span channels may take a little longer, but the economic impact of having the main channel closed is going to be measured with a lot of zeroes. They'll get it done. Building the new one? That's going to take a few years. Hazmat will have to take the long way around the city now. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:11:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr: Sorry the collapse of a major bridge, deaths, and the closure of a major port has messed up your commute. It’s a sad day for many. But at least we can get +1 post count. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:12:04 AM EDT
[#37]
Jesus. That's pretty bad.
I hope the first responders can find and save some people that were unfortunate to be on that bridge when it dropped. This is terrible.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:12:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cwm1150: Damn that sure seems suspicious. That will take that port out for days or weeks 1st its a rescue and recovery, then it's a crime scene, then you'll have to hire ocean salvers with technical divers and some big floating cranes to clear the channel. Likely from the Nordic countries. They are the world's experts at ocean salvage and heavy lift. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:12:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Who_Me:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/5352/GJlobFqXwAEAP2s_jpg-3169731.JPG |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:13:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PanelVanHalen: No kidding. Some may remember the Sunshine Skyway bridge disaster down in Tampa Bay, late 80s I guess. I wasn't there for it, but rode across the replacement span at night before the original was taken down, and it scared the shit out of me seeing the end where it broke off, in the dark it was like a horror movie scene. I get sweaty palms driving across large bridges all the time. It’s still wild driving over the bridge while a cruise ship or large cargo ship is going underneath it. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:13:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SamBoga: Wonder how many ships are now trapped in port, unable to get out. Baltimore is really screwed now with the port shut down. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:14:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macro: I'm not jumping to conclusions, but hitting that support head on seems like a very unlikely thing to happen by pure accident. All I can do right now is pray for the those lost....and hope this was simply a tragic accident. Security at the Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel this morning should reflect which way the government is leaning on terrorism vs accident. If there’s 1000s of Navy personnel recalled this morning to Norfolk to get the ships out of the harbor I’d lean towards terrorism. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:14:14 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jimmmy1111: I use that bridge every day now my ride from work is fucked now You and a million other people. With the bridge down and the harbor blocked, Christ that's a nightmare. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:14:21 AM EDT
[#44]
I didn't think modern ships put out smoke like that.
Full power (reverse)? Trying to fire it back up? Generators firing? |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:14:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: Looks like they dropped anchor likely to try to stop the ship. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: Originally Posted By Who_Me:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/5352/GJlobFqXwAEAP2s_jpg-3169731.JPG That's what I'm thinking also. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:17:15 AM EDT
[#46]
Traffic around the northern-western part of the 695 beltway is going to be horrific - anyone who doesn’t want to or can’t go through the tunnels will be taking the looooong way around the city.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:17:58 AM EDT
[#47]
Nightmare fuel.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:18:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: brass]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Southernman077: That would surely be an unfun ride.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0yaMq99CZAThat happened right before the Key Bridge was built, almost same thing as this one, that one was way outside the channel and hit the less reinforced pylons way off from main span, this was a main pylon hit. You'd think they'd have learned, that one was supposed to stand up to an impact as well. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:18:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Taom]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PanelVanHalen: No kidding. Some may remember the Sunshine Skyway bridge disaster down in Tampa Bay, late 80s I guess. I wasn't there for it, but rode across the replacement span at night before the original was taken down, and it scared the shit out of me seeing the end where it broke off, in the dark it was like a horror movie scene. I get sweaty palms driving across large bridges all the time. I live near Tampa and sometimes take the Skyway bridge, now imagine being stuck on it because of a wreck, this happened to me about five years ago. There was a wreck with one car up on the side barrier, we were sitting there at the top of the bridge for several minutes before a lane was cleared and we could pass. It was a major pucker factor.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:19:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stillnothere: Damn, this is not going to be good. Not an engineer, but that seems like a poor bridge design. Bridges aren’t and can’t be designed for rando cargo vessels to impact them. |
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