User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:02:47 AM EDT
[#1]
You're one bad hurricane away from finding out.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:03:07 AM EDT
[#2]
Doesn't make a shit. Organization and more manpower, they can do WTF they want.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:03:36 AM EDT
[#3]
I'm pretty sure in NC the declaration of martial law takes away the right to carry weapons open or concealed according to there state laws.
Could have been changed but seems like I remember this from a hurricane or something. In KY we passed a law that says martial law doesn't suspend your constitutional rights but if you read further in the law it goes on to talk about something about federal funding having influence somehow. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:07:32 AM EDT
[#4]
They don't have anywhere near the manpower to enforce it outside of urban areas and maybe a hot spot or two anyway.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:08:49 AM EDT
[#5]
Sate and locals are the ones you have to worry about first.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:09:44 AM EDT
[#6]
I guess you don't know anything about world history.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:12:16 AM EDT
[#7]
Martial Law means that the military is telling you how it is...at gunpoint.
You have two choices. You can start shooting or you can do what you're told. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:13:15 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
You're one bad hurricane away from finding out. OP didn't learn from Katrina? 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:14:11 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
They don't have anywhere near the manpower to enforce it outside of urban areas and maybe a hot spot or two anyway. This is true also. Doing it in a densely populated area is different than securing a large rural area. If the powers that be take an interest on you as an individual, they can still do whatever and say "take it to the court". I hope that you have eleventymillion dollars to dispute them legally.  Having the ability to replace the shit they snatch with serviceable weapons is a better immediate solution.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:15:13 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is true also. Doing it in a densely populated area is different than securing a large rural area. If the powers that be take an interest on you as an individual, they can still do whatever and say "take it to the court". I hope that you have eleventymillion dollars to dispute them legally. Having the ability to replace the shit they snatch with serviceable weapons is a better immediate solution.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They don't have anywhere near the manpower to enforce it outside of urban areas and maybe a hot spot or two anyway. This is true also. Doing it in a densely populated area is different than securing a large rural area. If the powers that be take an interest on you as an individual, they can still do whatever and say "take it to the court". I hope that you have eleventymillion dollars to dispute them legally. Having the ability to replace the shit they snatch with serviceable weapons is a better immediate solution.There are other options too. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:20:19 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
There are other options too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
They don't have anywhere near the manpower to enforce it outside of urban areas and maybe a hot spot or two anyway. This is true also. Doing it in a densely populated area is different than securing a large rural area. If the powers that be take an interest on you as an individual, they can still do whatever and say "take it to the court". I hope that you have eleventymillion dollars to dispute them legally. Having the ability to replace the shit they snatch with serviceable weapons is a better immediate solution.
There are other options too. Yes there are. The owners of the site would rather they not be explored here. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:32:11 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Martial Law means that the military is telling you how it is...at gunpoint. You have two choices. You can start shooting or you can do what you're told. Yep. I'm law and order kind of guy.....so as long as it constitutional...I'm ok with it....if not....then the later. Missouri is a good state to be in when the SHTF. http://www.moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/stathtml/04400001011.html?&me=firearms Section 44.101.1 44.105? August 28, 2015 Firearms and ammunition, state of emergency, no restrictions permitted. 44.101. The state, any political subdivision, or any person shall not prohibit or restrict the lawful possession, transfer, sale, transportation, storage, display, or use of firearms or ammunition during an emergency. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:34:50 AM EDT
[#13]
Does Martial Law give the feds the right to disarm? Not around here it doesn't. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:36:18 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Not around here it doesn't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Does Martial Law give the feds the right to disarm? Not around here it doesn't. Bloody Kansas |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:37:11 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
They don't have anywhere near the manpower to enforce it outside of urban areas and maybe a hot spot or two anyway. And they couldn't sustain it for very long either. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:38:29 AM EDT
[#16]
You live in a post-Constitutional America. Prepare accordingly. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:39:22 AM EDT
[#17]
They already do things they don't have the right to do.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:39:30 AM EDT
[#18]
Concealed means concealed?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:41:31 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Doesn't make a shit. Organization and more manpower, they can do WTF they want. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Doesn't make a shit. Organization and more manpower, they can do WTF they want. Quoted:
I guess you don't know anything about world history. This is your answer ^^ |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:43:12 AM EDT
[#20]
Oregon Revised Statutes:
§ 401.198 Seizure of firearms during emergency (1) As used in this section, unit of government means any department or agency of the federal government and any public body as defined by ORS 174.109 (Public body defined). (2) Notwithstanding ORS 401.165 (Declaration of state of emergency) to 401.236 (Rules), a unit of government may not seize a firearm from an individual who lawfully possesses the firearm during a state of emergency declared under ORS 401.165 (Declaration of state of emergency). (3) If a unit of government seizes a firearm from an individual during a state of emergency in violation of this section, the individual may recover from the unit of government that seized the firearm all costs incurred in the recovery of the firearm, including attorney fees, court costs and any other costs incurred in the recovery of the firearm. [Formerly 401.039] |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:45:28 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. I'm law and order kind of guy.....so as long as it constitutional...I'm ok with it....if not....then the later. Missouri is a good state to be in when the SHTF. http://www.moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/stathtml/04400001011.html?&me=firearms Section 44.101.1 44.105? August 28, 2015 Firearms and ammunition, state of emergency, no restrictions permitted. 44.101. The state, any political subdivision, or any person shall not prohibit or restrict the lawful possession, transfer, sale, transportation, storage, display, or use of firearms or ammunition during an emergency. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Martial Law means that the military is telling you how it is...at gunpoint. You have two choices. You can start shooting or you can do what you're told. Yep. I'm law and order kind of guy.....so as long as it constitutional...I'm ok with it....if not....then the later. Missouri is a good state to be in when the SHTF. http://www.moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/stathtml/04400001011.html?&me=firearms Section 44.101.1 44.105? August 28, 2015 Firearms and ammunition, state of emergency, no restrictions permitted. 44.101. The state, any political subdivision, or any person shall not prohibit or restrict the lawful possession, transfer, sale, transportation, storage, display, or use of firearms or ammunition during an emergency.  I don't think you're going to get anywhere citing statutes. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 12:53:35 AM EDT
[#22]
Those in power will do as they see fit, because they have the power, and Constitutionality be damned. Refuse at your own peril. Do you really think that the Constitution will protect you from their will? The Constitution may allow you to sue them after the fact, but only if you survive.
ETA: The last few posts before this one nailed it. Especially the image directly above. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 1:06:49 AM EDT
[#23]
This is Alaska's law....
AS 26.23.205. Confiscation of Firearms. (a) A person convicted of official misconduct under AS 11.56.850, or interference with constitutional rights under AS 11.76.110, as a result of confiscating, attempting to confiscate, or ordering the confiscation of a firearm, under color of law, during a disaster emergency, (1) forfeits any appointed government position and, if under the jurisdiction of the Alaska Police Standards Council, is subject to revocation of the person's police certification; (2) is subject to impeachment under art. II, sec. 20, Constitution of the State of Alaska; or (3) is subject to having the person's elected municipal office declared vacant under AS 29.20.170 or 29.20.280. (b) This section does not apply if the person is acting as a private citizen who has been directed to confiscate a firearm by another whom the person reasonably believes to be a peace officer or active member of the armed forces or militia. (c) A conviction described in (a) of this section is an offense involving a violation of the oath of office for purposes of AS 29.20.170 or 29.20.280. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 1:27:44 AM EDT
[#24]
FPNI as usual.
However I will note, "right to disarm" vs "successful execution" is quite a stretch where I come from. PS ---> Seems there's a lot in my prior sentence... |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 1:36:03 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is Alaska's law.... AS 26.23.205. Confiscation of Firearms. (a) A person convicted of official misconduct under AS 11.56.850, or interference with constitutional rights under AS 11.76.110, as a result of confiscating, attempting to confiscate, or ordering the confiscation of a firearm, under color of law, during a disaster emergency, (1) forfeits any appointed government position and, if under the jurisdiction of the Alaska Police Standards Council, is subject to revocation of the person's police certification; (2) is subject to impeachment under art. II, sec. 20, Constitution of the State of Alaska; or (3) is subject to having the person's elected municipal office declared vacant under AS 29.20.170 or 29.20.280. (b) This section does not apply if the person is acting as a private citizen who has been directed to confiscate a firearm by another whom the person reasonably believes to be a peace officer or active member of the armed forces or militia. (c) A conviction described in (a) of this section is an offense involving a violation of the oath of office for purposes of AS 29.20.170 or 29.20.280. Do you understand what Martial Law is? Martial Law is the military pointing a gun at you and telling you what the law is. Martial Law is might makes right. Martial Law is whatever the CO and the troops willing to follow his order says the law is. Martial Law isn't law books and statues. Martial Law is do what the soldiers tell you before they fucking shoot your ass. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 1:41:48 AM EDT
[#26]
To be armed is a God-given right, not a man-given right, so yes you always have the right. When someone denies you that right, they are in the wrong.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 1:44:09 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Do you understand what Martial Law is? Martial Law is the military pointing a gun at you and telling you what the law is. Martial Law is might makes right. Martial Law is whatever the CO and the troops willing to follow his order says the law is. Martial Law isn't law books and statues. Martial Law is do what the soldiers tell you before they fucking shoot your ass. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
This is Alaska's law.... AS 26.23.205. Confiscation of Firearms. (a) A person convicted of official misconduct under AS 11.56.850, or interference with constitutional rights under AS 11.76.110, as a result of confiscating, attempting to confiscate, or ordering the confiscation of a firearm, under color of law, during a disaster emergency, (1) forfeits any appointed government position and, if under the jurisdiction of the Alaska Police Standards Council, is subject to revocation of the person's police certification; (2) is subject to impeachment under art. II, sec. 20, Constitution of the State of Alaska; or (3) is subject to having the person's elected municipal office declared vacant under AS 29.20.170 or 29.20.280. (b) This section does not apply if the person is acting as a private citizen who has been directed to confiscate a firearm by another whom the person reasonably believes to be a peace officer or active member of the armed forces or militia. (c) A conviction described in (a) of this section is an offense involving a violation of the oath of office for purposes of AS 29.20.170 or 29.20.280. Do you understand what Martial Law is? Martial Law is the military pointing a gun at you and telling you what the law is. Martial Law is might makes right. Martial Law is whatever the CO and the troops willing to follow his order says the law is. Martial Law isn't law books and statues. Martial Law is do what the soldiers tell you before they fucking shoot your ass. Yeah,I understand what it is..I just posted the laws..Idoubt our state Goverment would let them disarm us in the first place.. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 1:44:16 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
You're one bad hurricane away from finding out. Or a flood. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 1:55:37 AM EDT
[#29]
Quoted:
I want to know what you guys think about constitutionality vs law and what exactly could happen after Martial Law is declared. I have only been around since 91, but from the looks of it none of you seems to have seen the country in a worse condition than now. There is no provision for martial law in the constitution. Martial law is illegal. The suspension of the constitution suspends the source of power for a lawful government. As far as I'm concerned it's a free for all. COC prevents from saying anything more. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 2:06:46 AM EDT
[#30]
Who exactly is going to disarm us?
Military? No. Locals? Good luck with that. Before they get to that step they will be busy trying to stave off the masses. Ain't gonna happen. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 2:23:53 AM EDT
[#31]
"Shall not be infringed" is plain & unambiguous language.
What you do with that is up to you. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 2:28:15 AM EDT
[#32]
Quoted:
I want to know what you guys think about constitutionality vs law and what exactly could happen after Martial Law is declared. I have only been around since 91, but from the looks of it none of you seems to have seen the country in a worse condition than now. if you have been there since 91 how dont you know the answer to your question? Or are you saying you were born in 91 and cant remember what happened 11 years ago  Google some shit or something...
|
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 2:46:49 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
To be armed is a God-given right, not a man-given right, so yes you always have the right. When someone denies you that right, they are in the wrong. It is that simple. Any other answer is un-American. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 3:23:40 AM EDT
[#34]
It will always come down to your county sheriff and what extent he is willing to go to defend your liberty. He can deputize the whole damn county if he wants, ain't no body gonna mess with dat. Or, he can give them your address and what time you will be home from work. Know your county Sheriff and be sure his heart is in right place....... |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 3:53:51 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Sate and locals are the ones you have to worry about first. That's why it's great living out away from the major urban areas. I know good chunk of the city, county, state guys in my area. As long as I have brats on the grill and beer in the cooler I'm good to go. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 4:13:27 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
And they couldn't sustain it for very long either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
They don't have anywhere near the manpower to enforce it outside of urban areas and maybe a hot spot or two anyway. And they couldn't sustain it for very long either. Keep in mind that the ranks of soldiers- and cops-turned-thugs will grow substantially with the members of their auxiliary groups like police cadets, Sheriff’s Posse, National Guard, etc., that will act like hall monitors, to radio in reports of disobedient citizens for immediate action. When you get a huge group of police/military guys together, is isn’t uncommon for them to adopt a bully mindset. They suddenly have tremendous power and know you are powerless. Saw that in the military, and just recently during a huge forest fire. The smart-ass cops wouldn’t do a thing to help you, would prevent you from trying to save your home/livelihood, and cheerfully stated they would arrest you for “obstruction” if you didn’t obey their every command. The Guard members were given police radios to report errant citizens. They didn’t do squat to stop the looters though.  </a>" />
 </a>" />
 </a>" />
 </a>" />
This was pretty tame compared to Katrina… forest fire fiasco |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 4:16:29 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Martial Law means that the military is telling you how it is...at gunpoint. You have two choices. You can start shooting or you can do what you're told. That's a good way to make me a bad person. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 4:30:39 AM EDT
[#38]
The Feds have the right to disarm themselves.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 4:31:34 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
You're one bad hurricane away from finding out. OP didn't learn from Katrina?  http://youtu.be/-taU9d26wT4That's one of the most disturbing videos I've seen in my entire life
|
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 4:42:29 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Who exactly is going to disarm us? Military? No. Locals? Good luck with that. Before they get to that step they will be busy trying to stave off the masses. Ain't gonna happen. Well, In my recent experience, it was the State Police that were running rampant. I'm sure if they saw someone with a gun they'd disarm him and arrest him for any number of vague charges. They had enough guys in the field that as soon as someone reported a disturbance, a swarm of cops would arrive, eager to get a little stick/taser time. See my above photo. When the Governor declared a mandatory evacuation area, around 40 square miles, the Guard guys went to each property and reported anyone they saw. The State police arrived to immediately escort ranchers off their properties. Are you gonna tell a Trooper, wearing body armor and carrying an AR, pistol, radio, etc., and who just reported your presence to dispatch, that you aren't leaving just yet? Cause if you do, he is gonna remove you by force. And if you're wearing a pistol, chances of getting shot are excellent. In today's society, I don't think most cops have any real fear of being prosecuted for any crime they commit except in very rare instances. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 4:51:58 AM EDT
[#41]
Martial Law does not give "rights" to government.
Thousands of well armed military and police, on the other hand, can effectively suspend the rights of the population in a small area. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 4:58:07 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
That's a good way to make me a bad person. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Martial Law means that the military is telling you how it is...at gunpoint. You have two choices. You can start shooting or you can do what you're told. That's a good way to make me a bad person. It is what it is. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 11:30:02 AM EDT
[#43]
There are lots of state laws that prohibit confiscation of arms during states of emergency/disasters. However, the essence of martial law is the closure of the courts and suspension of Habeas Corpus. Therefore under ML the authorities can seize anything including your person and you have no place to seek redress except in whatever drumhead proceeding the authorities establish - if any. Your choices are to submit or to resist by evasion or force of arms.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 11:32:31 AM EDT
[#44]
The Feds don't have rights, people have rights.
It may give them an excuse, but nothing more. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 11:41:37 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Keep in mind that the ranks of soldiers- and cops-turned-thugs will grow substantially with the members of their auxiliary groups like police cadets, Sheriff’s Posse, National Guard, etc., that will act like hall monitors, to radio in reports of disobedient citizens for immediate action. When you get a huge group of police/military guys together, is isn’t uncommon for them to adopt a bully mindset. They suddenly have tremendous power and know you are powerless. Saw that in the military, and just recently during a huge forest fire. The smart-ass cops wouldn’t do a thing to help you, would prevent you from trying to save your home/livelihood, and cheerfully stated they would arrest you for “obstruction” if you didn’t obey their every command. The Guard members were given police radios to report errant citizens. They didn’t do squat to stop the looters though. http://<a href=http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p201/glerbbb/DSC07251_zpseyu7jtq8.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p201/glerbbb/DSC06875_zpsy5s1bgie.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p201/glerbbb/DSC07100_zpsjbk8qwv2.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p201/glerbbb/DSC07171_zpse0qpi7aq.jpg</a>" /> This was pretty tame compared to Katrina… forest fire fiasco Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
They don't have anywhere near the manpower to enforce it outside of urban areas and maybe a hot spot or two anyway. And they couldn't sustain it for very long either. Keep in mind that the ranks of soldiers- and cops-turned-thugs will grow substantially with the members of their auxiliary groups like police cadets, Sheriff’s Posse, National Guard, etc., that will act like hall monitors, to radio in reports of disobedient citizens for immediate action. When you get a huge group of police/military guys together, is isn’t uncommon for them to adopt a bully mindset. They suddenly have tremendous power and know you are powerless. Saw that in the military, and just recently during a huge forest fire. The smart-ass cops wouldn’t do a thing to help you, would prevent you from trying to save your home/livelihood, and cheerfully stated they would arrest you for “obstruction” if you didn’t obey their every command. The Guard members were given police radios to report errant citizens. They didn’t do squat to stop the looters though. http://<a href=http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p201/glerbbb/DSC07251_zpseyu7jtq8.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p201/glerbbb/DSC06875_zpsy5s1bgie.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p201/glerbbb/DSC07100_zpsjbk8qwv2.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p201/glerbbb/DSC07171_zpse0qpi7aq.jpg</a>" /> This was pretty tame compared to Katrina… forest fire fiasco In a real martial law scenario, they have protocols to disarm cops after a period of time because they live among the populous and it's believed they may become sympathetic to a resistance movement. I heard a former general quote 28-30 days. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 11:42:48 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Martial Law means that the military is telling you how it is...at gunpoint. You have two choices. You can start shooting or you can do what you're told. Don't quit your day job, that internet law expert thing isn't going to work out. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 11:45:10 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Martial Law means that the military is telling you how it is...at gunpoint. You have two choices. You can start shooting or you can do what you're told. Pretty much |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 11:47:27 AM EDT
[#48]
The right?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 11:47:35 AM EDT
[#49]
Does Martial Law give the feds the right to disarm? I would say the feds can disarm themselves in the event of Martial Law, I'm ok with that. |
|
|
|
Posted: 9/22/2016 11:50:33 AM EDT
[#50]
|
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
